Which UHVs are easiest to achieve? Which ones are the most difficult?

I haven't tried most of the civs yet but I think the three easiest UHVs seem to be: Greece, Babylon and France.
The hardest ones seem to be: Turkey, Inca, Carthage.
(Warlords version 143, Monarch difficulty)
What do you think?

I can only speak for the ones I have achieved so far. China, India, Egypt, Babylon, Greece, and Vikings.

The hardest of those was India, but that was also the first one I tried so that might have something to do with it.

The easiest I found was definitely Greece.

I also found Vikings victory took a long time - just because it was difficult to find 30 ships to sink. I don't know if it has been mentioned elsewhere, but there seems to be some strange rules regarding what a "ship kill" is. At one stage the Stats page was showing 35 naval units killed. 2 of those were Work Boats, and another 5 were kills in-harbour. I guess those did not count towards the UHV.

I also think that some of the definitions are a little vague. For example Rome and Aztec. I think there should be some indication (map overlay?) that defines the regions "Western Roman Empire" and "Central America and southern US". I know where these areas are, but at which tile on the map do they stop? It can be very annoying to miss out on a UHV because you lack one tile which you thought was not in the defined UHV area.

Easiest for me have been Greece, Egypt, and England.


Hardest for me, of the ones I've tried, are Arabia, Mongols, and most of all Persia! Especially since someone finally managed to do Persia... barely!

There was once a map project, mapping all the UHV and spawn (homeland) areas. The thing does still work and is a really nice tool, you should find it somewhere around this forum. But it is some versions old (not everything correct) and need refreshment. Unfortunately, I think, the creator doesn't have the time for it at the moment. I would also say it is something nice and needed.

For the UHVs:
Easy: Greece, Egypt and England ; they can be achieved via different strategies, also I was able to do them ;)
Medium: India, Japan, Babylon ; doable I think...
Hard: Persia, Arabia, Mali ; Turn pressure all over, the race for UHV ...

Flawed: Rome (whip your cities before 450), Turkey (vassals = luck), Vikings (30 ships), France (most cultured city can mean you need to conquer those before you on the list), ...

mitsho

Search for 'Earth Map' on Rhye's of Wiki and there's a link to it.

I've found England, France and Japan to be pretty easy. Rome doesn't look like it's too tough in Vanilla, so long as you keep everything below the size, but I don't want to win like that so I consider it impossible.

I've never tried Spain, but the only hard condition is that one about keeping England and France out. That wouldn't be too hard since the AI is slow about colonizing and waits a long time to do it (or they used to anyways, dunno about latest version).

Germany's and Russia's both look very hard, too.

The only one that I think is completely impossible is Arabia. The others have all already been accomplished or look like they might be doable with a lot of luck and skill.

France is also pretty easy to do. I have found Germany hard, only cause in 2 attempts I won the game by culture before finishing the tree.

Arabia has been changed upon proposals in last version and I was able to achieve it. ;)

mick

I also think that some of the definitions are a little vague. For example Rome and Aztec. I think there should be some indication (map overlay?) that defines the regions "Western Roman Empire" and "Central America and southern US". I know where these areas are, but at which tile on the map do they stop? It can be very annoying to miss out on a UHV because you lack one tile which you thought was not in the defined UHV area.

One time i miss the france UHV because i didn't know where exactly is Quebec! :lol: ( sorry xD, I know very little about Canada :p )

The Easyest is the Babylon, i made it in the first try and in ~10 minutes.

The Hardest that i tried was the Germany... because after I conquer all the Europe... i can't stop! Spain declares war... annex spain, and Then Turkey, Babylon, Arabia, Egypt, Carthage... I CAN'T STOP!

After taking Mongolia or India i decide to stop, but China start the Space Race... and them i'm *forced* to nuke all his cities and annex China in a WW with everyone.

I won Time Victory...

And "Be the first to teach all the Teachline" is to be the first to reach Future Tech?

Arabia has been changed upon proposals in last version and I was able to achieve it. ;)

mick

Really? I never knew.

Japan is stupid easy. You just play an aggressive, expansive game and you stumble into it just fine. I'm looking forward to trying Mail, because I think it is going to be about as difficult as Persia's.

I remember doing the Greek UHV once and finding it really easy. I also tried the Roman UHV, but failed because a barbarian galley ate the settler/galley I was sending to Britain.

Since 143 the german uhv is finally working and I achieved it in 2009. Conquering those areas was very easy, but after that the economy was in serious trouble for a long time and I had to run low science rates. All in all the german uhv was easy. I was also close to the space victory and with my army I could have whipped out all other civs way before.

In 127 I played Rome and that was kinda tricky but still easy to achieve after building the great wall. This way the barbarians couldn't bother me I could concentrate on expansion, economy and wars to establish the western roman empire. Rome was the only city beyond the size of 5 in 450 which was also a main key to success. Other cities grow beyond 5 constantly popped pretorians, settlers and buildings espiacially granaries.

Search for 'Earth Map' on Rhye's of Wiki and there's a link to it.

Sorry, but I have been Googling all sorts of combinations of 'earth', 'map', 'rhye's' and 'wiki' among other key words (both in the forum search and outside) but I can't find what you are talking about. Can you get me a little closer? :confused:

:goodjob:

Since 143 the german uhv is finally working and I achieved it in 2009. Conquering those areas was very easy, but after that the economy was in serious trouble for a long time and I had to run low science rates. All in all the german uhv was easy. I was also close to the space victory and with my army I could have whipped out all other civs way before.

As I am aiming for the German UHV at the moment, when it says "Control England" etc, does that mean we have to conquer/vassalize English civilization or does it just mean the territory of the British Isles? As it also says "Control Scandinavia", that leads me to believe it is just territory but I want to be sure so that I know whether I need to chase down all of England's far-flung colonies.

It is just the British Isles excluding Ireland. And for scandanavia you need at least three cities IIRC.

Sorry, but I have been Googling all sorts of combinations of 'earth', 'map', 'rhye's' and 'wiki' among other key words (both in the forum search and outside) but I can't find what you are talking about. Can you get me a little closer? :confused:

:goodjob:
Oh, sorry! Here (http://wikirhye.wikidot.com/start)'s the wiki site, I assumed you'd have looked on the RFC wiki thread.

Control England

It is just the British Isles excluding Ireland. And for scandanavia you need at least three cities IIRC.

I think that's all I need to say on changing England to Britain

*flogs dead horse*

Since 143 the german uhv is finally working and I achieved it in 2009. Conquering those areas was very easy, but after that the economy was in serious trouble for a long time and I had to run low science rates. All in all the german uhv was easy. I was also close to the space victory and with my army I could have whipped out all other civs way before.

I never managed to complete the German UHV. But mostly because I cannot find the time to play all those hours that it takes.:blush: Considering I'm usually still on 70% or 60% science slider after I've conquered ALL of Europe (completed usually in the 15/16th century), I think I will one day get it.:mischief:
About economy: it's best to research guilds and banks first . You can easily (more or less) crush Russia with knights and trebuchets/catapults. And if you build a forge, bank, gocer and market in each of your cities (and in that order) and spam cottages, you'll quickly be rewarded by a powerful economy. With your veteran knights and Great Generals from your Russian campaign you can easily set out to crush the rest of Europe in the Middle Ages/Renaissance era.

I used my German economic strategy for Russia and found their UHV quite easy on Monarch. If you do not overexpand too quickly, you can always run on a decent science rate (>=60%). I completed Apollo in 7 turns in the 1920s or 30s. Not losing a city may be hard but Apollo and colonizing Siberia are rather easy.;)

And Greece of course is simple and takes about one hour.

Thanks a lot for all the answers! :goodjob: Here is a subjective summary of all the posts:
Easiest: Greece
Very Easy: England, Egypt
Relatively Easy: Babylon, France, Japan,
Moderate/Flawed: Rome, Viking
Somewhat Difficult: India, Russia
Difficult:Turkey, Germany, Arabia
Very Difficult: Mongol(?), Mali, Spain,
Almost Impossible: Persia, Carthage, Inca

No opinion: Aztec, China, America

Thanks a lot for all the answers! :goodjob: Here is a subjective summary of all the posts:
Easiest: Greece
Very Easy: England, Egypt
Relatively Easy: Babylon, France, Japan,
Moderate/Flawed: Rome, Viking
Somewhat Difficult: India, Russia
Difficult:Turkey, Germany, Arabia
Very Difficult: Mongol(?), Mali, Spain,
Almost Impossible: Persia, Carthage, Inca

No opinion: Aztec, China, America

Actually, I think Babylon is currently impossible in 1.43 since China will always beat you to Writing.:cry:

Think the Roman period of the game needs more turns, it just isn't fun how quickly it passes.

Think the Roman period of the game needs more turns, it just isn't fun how quickly it passes.

Man, the ancient time is just too big compared to the normal game!

I prefer more Modern Turns... =) i don't have time to nuke my friends or use my tanks... when I am in 1920 it start to show 100 turns left :(

I'd say every era needs more turns, but the Greece-Persia-Rome period is probably the worst right now. Greece spawns and by the time they've moved into Asia Minor, Rome and Carthage appear. This also means Babylon, Egypt and Carthage almost always survive into the rest of the game.

I'd say every era needs more turns, but the Greece-Persia-Rome period is probably the worst right now. Greece spawns and by the time they've moved into Asia Minor, Rome and Carthage appear. This also means Babylon, Egypt and Carthage almost always survive into the rest of the game.

I must say that in my games they always collapse, especially carthage. Egypt and Babylon can't deal with Arabia, so they die too. ( if survive, they will be vassals of Europeans powers )

There really needs to be an Epic mode for RFC, with 50% more turns and the only major change being an increase in tech costs. (Would 60% be a sufficient increase?) Rome would actually get some ten year turns, the second half of the middle ages could have five year turns, age of discovery could have far more 3 year turns, the 19th century could be two year turns. I would like it a lot. America could start around 1776 and it wouldn't be a problem because of the extra turns.

India is impossible post-plague. Try to out populate China when they are crapping out 14+ cities like candy, with their borders closed and plague free.

I should add the Persian goal is much easier to achieve with the reduced requirements.

I think the English victory is tough but possible. The only issue is it destroys your economy.

Regarding the vague area locations, I also have to complain. I'm playing as the Aztecs in my last game and was actually doing quite well, having taken Central America, the southern US territory and northern South America. There were no Europeans on the mainland and still I lost, because freakin England settled themselves on Jamaica:cry: . Wouldn't it be more clear to have "No European colonies in Central America, Southern United States AND Carribean Sea islands in 1700"?

Oh, and Greece isn't so easy;) . Why? Because after building 3 Wonders required to UHV, I became cocky and decided to wage a war and build my 4th Wonder at the same time (meaning I postponed building the Wonder by a couple of turns). I lost by 2 turns to some other nation:crazyeye: .

The French UHV is a little vague too... i take a while to know that "Colonize Quebec and Hudson bay = TWO cities" and "Lousiana = 1 City"... =p

I actually think you need 3 cities at Hudson bay, or it may be that one of mine wasn't in the zone... ;)

The French UHV is a little vague too... i take a while to know that "Colonize Quebec and Hudson bay = TWO cities" and "Lousiana = 1 City"... =p

Take a look at this (http://wikirhye.wikidot.com/unique-historical-victory).

It's not finished yet but when it is it should solve problems like these.

Take a look at this (http://wikirhye.wikidot.com/unique-historical-victory).

It's not finished yet but when it is it should solve problems like these.

Yeah, i now about the UHVWiki, nevertheless the french part is still incomplete...

I was only able to finish the uhv in time, because i saw the RFCatlas... =p so i could whip a additional settler and win the game =\

You're right about Japan UHV, aced it on my first try

And btw, england is not easy, I dont care what these people say, Im good at this game and I found it nigh impossible with plague killing me :P

I did play only with a limited number of Civs so far, selecting the ones which UHV is most close to my style of play and feel of the moments (like to be a builder but I like to enjoy a few well planned and successful wars).

Egypt: done at the first try.
Rather easy... but not really something extremely satifying for me.
just fund 3 town and start building... almost no diplomacy or war,

Japan: done at fist try.
Rather easy... just play aggressive and you'll make it.
For extra fun conquer a big asian empire.

Rome: Done at second try.
It's not too hard if you keep your towns under size 5.
But I consider it not playing according to the spirit ot the game.

Russia: Done at first try.
Not too hard, expand, count on huge production, don't fear war (let the enemy advance, slaughter them, counter attack), and you'll find yourself in the best position for the apollo program.

Babilonia: failed but I created a nice state that remained in good lead for long time.

France: Done at first try.
Not too hard... nothing special to say about it.

Japan doesn't need to play aggressive at all. In fact, the easiest way is to sit tight, rely on the three powerhouse city locations (Kyoto, Tokyo, and Seoul,) and stay ahead in tech.

France: Done at first try.
Not too hard... nothing special to say about it.

Really? Did China get destroyed early or something? Because I find it VERY difficult to be competing against the ancient civs for culture simply because they have, say an extra 3000 years to be building up culture with.

And going halfway around the world to attack a country like China is not easy at that time period, particularly when you have enemies like Germany and Russia hanging around.

As for the rest of the UHVs, only played as a few civs thus far but here it goes:

I won as Egypt on my first try, so I thought that was pretty easy; sit around, build culture, build a couple wonders, the end. No barbs to worry about and enemies are far away from you for the majority of the Egyptian era.

Almost won as Rome (for UHV, did win later on ;) ), missed out on a couple cities, thought the barbs were relatively easy, compared to Persia at least. Rome is challenging, but I think it's doable.

Would be nice if the Greco-Roman era could have a few more turns but..I'm sure that's a rather common suggestion.

Persia seems tough to me: with building 7 wonders AND taking 8% of the world AND defending against tough barbs, isn't easy . When the AI is playing as Persia, they almost always get taken over by the barbs or Arabia later on.

India! - I find it impossible to found 5 religions. After I get Buddhism and Hinduism, Confucionism and Judaism are discovered a few turns later by Judea tribe and China. Daoism comes shortly after that. Christianity in the west and Arabia gets Islam. Meanwhile, I still have to defend for barbs and get some growth techs to beat out China to be #1 in population. After 3 attempts as India, I always remain backward and never close to getting to my objectives.

For India: There are guides either in the forum or in the wiki. I'm not sure (haven't played them yet) but I think the key is to go for Judaism at first, pop Christianism or something else with a priest.

For France: First turn set research to Music, the Great Artist (you should normally get) culture bombs Paris giving you practically the condition, (and nice cultural pressure on these German cities).

mfG mick

India: go for Judaism, then use Oracle to get Christianism and a Great Priest to get Islam...

France: it is just to easy! Use the Great Artist from Music to get the culture, and just try to create Great Engenniers to get the Wonders. This was my first UHV ( or it was with GB? >_< i can't renember )

I use the Oracle for Divine Right and the Prophet for Theology as using a Prophet for Divine Right only gives you 1000 or so beakers by the time your ready for Islam meaning you need at least 1 more prophet to discover and often this results in Arabia popping by the time your ready and beating you to it.

For me Greece, England and Japan are all easy to get the UHV with although I havent played all the Civs yet.

India was hard to learn and even knowing what to do I wouldn't call it easy. Egypt I found difficult too, although the first time I played it I had a plan and almost made it, I just couldn't quite hit the first VC for ages and I refuse to use a Great Artist to get the 2nd as it seems a bit lame. I have tried the Aztecs and Incas a lot and never yet managed either.

Spanish UHV in the last version is just too easy... first I used Conquistadores to conquer France, then made a Caravel and conquer Inca and Aztec with the "Conquest" Event and then make a HUGE fleet and siege all the British Islands... so they couldn't settle America :).