Good idea? Bad idea?

Obviously there would need to be a replacement for every wonder for every civ, so it could be a little hard to do, and the graphics might pose a problem, but I always get annoyed when I see a Roman Great Wall or a Spanish Pyramid.

Bad Idea.
1 it would take some time to do, for a project that is almost rapped up.
2 it would need new graphics (both in Icons, Map Objects, and Videos)
3 an equivelant of each wonder would need to be found for each Civ in the time period of the origionial wonder being constructed [and i doubt this is possible] or you have the problem of making the game increasingly detrimistic by limiting certian wonders to certain civs, or having wonders far in the future count as ancient wonders...

Honestly I don't see what good it would do for the greater game.

Rhye was once thinking of this, but it's not gonne happen anymore, I think.
He was thinking of a UWW.

It would make everything more accurate, but yeah, I see your point, it's not doable, it was just a passing thought really. UWW Would be AWESOME!

Roman Great Wall or a Spanish Pyramid

Roman Great Wall not accurate? That Wonder does make sense here, Hadrian's Wall, Limes, etc. ... ? This is much more than accurate. ;)

Spanish Pyramid? Have you seen one. The Spanish start way after the Pyramids can be built (and said wonder is useless for them).

All in All, I think, wonder placements are quite accurate in the mod with a fair amount of non-linear gameplay too. (I mean not every game plays out the same!).

mick

I think it is a awesome idea.

What about starting making a list? :)

PS: When did you see a spanish PYRAMID!????? O_õ!!?!??

OK, OK, Spanish Pyramid was a made up example!

Jeez, the things you guys take literally...

I've started compiling a list, but it's probably not going to happen and I'm not sure what to class as "wonders"

I have an idea for the American Unique Wonder: World Trade Center subtitues the Kremlim. The only thing that will not be right is the time you can make the Wonder.

But the WTC was one of the "symbols" of the Capitalism, and Capitalism in Civilization is = Rush by money with Universal Suffrage... =P

Well i think that this makes sense. >_<

OK, here're some ideas of mine:

?Stonehenge - Celt - Engineering Wonder?
The Great Pyramid - Egypt - Engineering/Religious Wonder
The Cliff Temple of Abu Simbel - Egypt - Engineering/Religious Wonder
Palace of 100 Columns - Greece - Engineering Wonder
Olympia - Greece - ??? Wonder
The Acropolis - Greece - ??? Wonder
The Theatre of Epidaurus - Greece - Artistic Wonder
The Sun Pyramid - Aztec - Religious Wonder
The Drama of Masada - Arabia - Military Wonder
The Pont du Gard - France - Engineering Wonder
The Colosseum - Rome - ??? Wonder
The Pantheon - Rome - Religious Wonder
The Baths of Caracalla - Rome - Engineering Wonder
Hagia Sophia - Turkey - Engineering Wonder
The Dome of the Rock - Arabia - Religious Wonder
The Imperial City - Japan - Palatial Wonder
The Mezuita of Córdoba - Spain - Religious Wonder
The Palatine Chapel - Germany - Religious Wonder
The Hradčany - ??? - Engineering Wonder
Santiago de Compostela - Spain - Religious Wonder
The Tower of London - England - ??? Wonder
Mont-Saint-Michel - France - ??? Wonder
Windsor Castle - England - Palatial Wonder
Cluny - France - Religious Wonder
more soon...

A Unique Wonder is what? a Wonder that replaces a exesting one... or it is a new Wonder that only your civ can build?

A Unique Wonder is what? a Wonder that replaces a exesting one... or it is a new Wonder that only your civ can build?

my own project was the latter, but i didn't find enough art to cover all the civs

Good idea? Bad idea?

Obviously there would need to be a replacement for every wonder for every civ, so it could be a little hard to do, and the graphics might pose a problem, but I always get annoyed when I see a Roman Great Wall or a Spanish Pyramid.

Thats alot of work for what boils down to a purely cosmetic patch. If you, instead, added a unique wonder for each civ (It would be a national wonder with the power of a World wonder) I could see that being worthwhile.

EDIT: Snipped by Rhye! Hey Rhye, if we can gather enough art for the 24 UWW, would you be able to implement them?

From the list that Toaster started, I like the wonders named. I see a bunch of wonders per civ in some cases. I know it's just brainstorming, but maybe the UW could be related to the UP or the leader traits (that even exist in RFC?).

For Turkey: I don't agree with the Hagia Sophia, since it's already in the game and it was built over a 1000 years before Turkey took over Istanbul...
Better candidates would be the Blue Mosque, or Topkapi Palace.

I'd also like to suggest the Louvre for France (is it in the game alrdy? don't remember...)

Otherwise, good idea, keep'em coming! :goodjob:

I've seen Spanish pyramids before. Barb cities can build wonders too.

China- Great wall (for us vainllia users!)
India-
Eygpt- Sphinx
Grecce- lots to pick form.
Japense-
Persia-Gondeshapur
Rome- Forum
Arabia- Kabba?
Spain- Santiago de Compostela ?
France- magiont Line ?
England-Big Ben
Germany-
Russia- Red square
Mongolia- they didn't build anything!
Inca- machu piccu?
Aztec- Sun pyramid
America- two towers? Golden gate?

just some idea's, post effects later

As I'm NOT doing it for the reason I just said (and I confirm that still there isnt enough stuff), I'll post my temporary list

EGY – Sphinx
IND – Taj Mahal
CHI – Porcelain Tower / Terracotta Army
BAB – Ishtar Gate
GRE – Parthenon
PER – (Mausoleum of Mausollos)
CAR –
ROM – Colosseum
JAP –
VIK –
ARA – Spiral Minaret
SPA –
FRA – Eiffel Tower / Bastille
ENG – Big Ben / Crystal Palace
GER – Brandeburg Gate / Reichstag
RUS - Kremlin
MAL - Sankore
TUR – Hagia Sophia
INC – Temple of Sun/Moon
MON -
AZT –
AME - Pentagon / Rushmore


In brackets wonders that have no art available.

As you can see sometimes standard game wonders are removed. They would be replaced by others, such as the wonder not chosens (where I wrote two possibilities), plus some other stuff such as Sydney Opera House, the Troyan Horse etc.

so if we find or make art we could have UUW's? to the paintbrushes! Your God requires it,lol.

For Carthage you should definitely have the Harbor of Carthage, it was truly a wonder for its time.

Spain could maybe have the Escorial, not sure if thats really a great idea though.


We need Presditigator now to help make some of the graphics!

(Mausoleum of Mausollos)

There is art for this. It's included in the Total Realism mod.

However, I would've chosen the Isfahan complex for Persia.

There is art for this. It's included in the Total Realism mod.

However, I would've chosen the Isfahan complex for Persia.

Correction: It is included in the Alexander scenario in Warloards :) and the Statue of Zeus too.

So, let's work with what we have:

Persia: Mausoleu of Mausollos ( Temple of Artemis )
Greece: Statue of Zeus ( Parthenon )
Egypt: Sphinx ( Stonehenge )
France: Louvre ( Sistine Chappel )
England: Big Ben ( Mount Rushmore )
America: WTC ( Kremlin )

I have graphics for all these, i wil try to find more graphics...

England: The Houses of Parliament ( Mount Rushmore )
I think this would be better somehow

The problem is that i just have the graphic for the Big Ben... not the whole palace! :)

Yeah, but call it the Houses of Parliament, that graphic'll have to do :p

I think that Big Ben is more popular. I don't like Houses of Parliament with Big Ben graphic (with it's own graphic it would be OK).

Big Ben is a clock.
The Houses of Parliament are the seat of the British government.

Of course the clock is more important!:rolleyes:

What i have right now:

Persia: Mausoleu of Mausollos ( Temple of Artemis )
China: Terracotta Army ( Stonehenge???? )
Babylon: Ishtar Gate ( Pyramids )
Greece: Statue of Zeus ( Parthenon )
Egypt: Sphinx ( Stonehenge )
France: Louvre ( Sistine Chappel )
England: Big Ben ( Mount Rushmore )
America: WTC ( Kremlin )

Big Ben isn't very important but it's very popular ;)

The HoP are just Big Ben with a bit added on, surely...

Please, drop Big Ben.

Correction: It is included in the Alexander scenario in Warloards and the Statue of Zeus too.

It was originally in Vanilla Total Realism.

Please, drop Big Ben.
Oh God! It's like Poland all over again :mischief:

So, it will not be Houses of Parlament or Big Ben. It will be Palace of Westminster =P

You know my own country better than me :(

Hehehehhe, i just like to use my babylon with the Wikipedia and Britannica Encyclopedia addons... :)

If we could find a decent graphic, how does the Sagrada Familia sound for Spain?

(it doesn't look that different from Angkor Wat, you know :p)

There isn't any graphic similar to Sagrada Familia ( to tell the truth anything in the world looks like Sagrada Familia! @_@ ).

Any other idea for Spain?

Mezquita of Córdoba
Santiago de Compostela
The Alhambra
El Escorial
The Guggenheim Museum

It's hard to find art for Spain =\

new one:

Vikings: King's Saga ( colosseum )
Japan: Torri Gate?

Japan: The Millennium Tower?

I don't know of any Millennium Tower in Japan...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Tower

Maybe Tokyo Tower ( Eiffel Tower )?

have we deicded on effects yet or are we waiting?

Let's wait a bit, get a good amount of Graphics.

And what i understand is that the Unique wonder will replace a existing wonder, but having them as a whole new wonder is better, with new effects, etc.

that is what i thought we would do, i'll wait and keep my idea's to myself, how will we deicded? the arguments will be endless.....

Check out The Ancient Mediterranean for Ancient and Classic wonders art.

One question, are we replacing existing wonders or are we adding in a new one for each civ?

If it's a vote, I'd go with adding a new one for each civ...

If it's a vote, I'd go with adding a new one for each civ...

Me too :lol:



England = Palace of Westminster
Spain = ???
France = Louvre
Germany = Brandenburg Gate
Russia = ???
Vikings = King's Saga
Rome = ???
Carthage = ???
Greece = Statue of Zeus
Babylon = Ishtar Gate
Persia = Mausoleum of Maussollos
Arabia = ???
Egypt = Shpinx
India = ???
China = ???
Mongolia = ???
Japan = Tokyo Tower (???)
America = World Trade Center


just 8 wonders now... :crazyeye:

Me too :lol:

England = Palace of Westminster Why not Big Ben/House of Parliament? Is this the same?
Spain = ??? Sagrada Familia?
France = Louvre
Germany = Brandenburg Gate
Russia = ??? The Hermitage - it was removed, readd it
Vikings = King's Saga Do you refer to Thule or what exactly do you mean by King's Saga? Can't we have something Scandinavian instead, famous Cathedral or Palace, or the Nobel foundation, or whatever. ;)
Rome = ??? Therms of Caracalla - Thermae are underrepresented
Carthage = ???The Great Harbor
Greece = Statue of Zeus
Babylon = Ishtar Gate
Persia = Mausoleum of Maussollos It's a bit a stretch to consider this Persian, thus that palace in Persia with the famous arch ;)) (yes, I forgot the name, I just have the picture in mind)
Arabia = ??? The Alhambra
Egypt = Sphinx
India = ???
China = ??? Terracotta Army/Porcelain Tower
Mongolia = ??? Silk Road? or a project instead: "Pax Mongolia"
Japan = Tokyo Tower (???)
America = World Trade Center


I filled up a bit,

mick

America = World Trade Center

Yeah, no. Go with something like the Golden Gate Bridge, Route 66, Disney Land or the Kennedy Space Center.

India can be the Lothal Docks (Sailing) or one of numerous temples (Sun Temple with Polytheism+Masonry).

disney land! lol, atcually i like it, but sadly i don't see this stuiff happening

I'm trying to work with graphics that I already have... =p American Wonders that I have:

Las Vegas
WTC
A Rocket xD ( representing the Apollo Program )
That Obelisk in Washington :P
and the White House.


I really don't know what is the King's Saga, it is in the Vikings scenario, so I thought that it was a wonder ^^"

Palace of Westminster = Big Ben = House of Parliament


England = Palace of Westminster
Spain = ???
France = Louvre
Germany = Brandenburg Gate
Russia = Hermitage (???)
Vikings = King's Saga
Rome = ???
Carthage = ???
Greece = Statue of Zeus
Babylon = Ishtar Gate
Persia = Mausoleum of Maussollos
Arabia = ???
Egypt = Shpinx
India = ???
China = Terracotta Army
Mongolia = ???
Japan = Tokyo Tower (???)
America = World Trade Center (???)

*All Wonder in bold I have the graphics.

Yeah, no.
I agree that the WTC is just a bad idea. Personally I would be fine with it, but there are many that very touchy about the subject.

I'm trying to work with graphics that I already have... =p American Wonders that I have:

Las Vegas
WTC
A Rocket xD ( representing the Apollo Program )
That Obelisk in Washington :P
and the White House.

The White House is fine. The rocket can represent the Kennedy Space Center. The obelisk is called the Washington Monument, and I would pass on that. WTC is a no and Las Vegas seems too much like Hollywood, Broadway, etc.

Speaking of, didn't Rhye replace one of the entertainment wonders with The Wembley? Why not just add that one in as America's UWW?

EDIT: Yup, he removed Broadway. Just add that one back in.

Palace of Westminster = Big Ben = House of Parliament

Really? I thought that Big Ben is just this big clock... :/

Really? I thought that Big Ben is just this big clock... :/
It is. The "Big Clock" on the Houses of Parliament. :p

So it's not the same.

It's a bit a stretch to consider this Persian, thus that palace in Persia with the famous arch ) (yes, I forgot the name, I just have the picture in mind)

The palaces at Isfahan? I too dislike the mausoleum of Mausollos for Persia. You could just about get away with the Mausoleum of Shah Jahan, but I still think the Isfahan is better.

Also, it can use existing textures for the Islamic buildings.

So it's not the same.
No. Big Ben is a clock attached to the Houses of Parliament. The Houses of Parliament is the building to which Big Ben is attached.

Talkie Toaster- I knew that but Edungeon wrote:

Palace of Westminster = Big Ben = House of Parliament

So I thought that I was wrong ;)

Ah right, I see. I guess he was saying that Big Ben is part of the Houses of Parliament so they mean pretty much the same in civ terms.

You get what i mean, man. Stop being a jerk! xD

Anyway- I think that Big Ben is better than the Houses of Parliament.

Anyway- I think that Big Ben is better than the Houses of Parliament.
...
Have you not read any of this?
You can't have that specific part of the building, on it's own.
It's not just a solitary tower you know.
Houses of Parliament for the win!

I know but Big Ben is much more famous than Houses of Parliament. Also there is a graphic of Big Ben and this wonder was included in some other mods (I don't know any with Houses of Parliament included).

Have you not grasped this yet?

BIG BEN IS PART OF THE HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT.

:p

I know. I even was in London (2 times ;) ) and I saw it. But Big Ben is more popular than this whole building. Big Ben is a part of Houses of Parliament which is a part of London which is a part of England which is a part of Europe which is a part of Earth (etc.). But I don't think that including Earth/Europe/England/London/Houses of Parliament as a wonder is a good idea :D

London is a city. It is not joined to the HoP in any way but the ground, which I assume we discount:rolleyes:

The rest is just plain silly.

Name one effect Big Ben had on English History. Name 100 effects the HoP had:lol:

What's going to be the power of Big Ben in the game? hmmm?

Actually, Big Ben is the name of the biggest bell in the tower. Big Ben is not the actual tower.

I prefer not starting the discussion of powers, yet. ( but you can do, if you want )...

Just one thing: I prefer call it neither Houses of Parlament or Big Ben. I recommend Palace of Westminster... ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_Westminster ).

The only problem is that the graphic that I have is just for the Big Ben :( but this will not compromise anything...

Can I just say that having Big Ben on its own would be like including one of the faces off mount rushmore...

does it really matter? this is Poland all over again...

Why are we so set on Big Ben? Just pick one of many other buildings.

Can I just say that having Big Ben on its own would be like including one of the faces off mount rushmore...

If there would be 5th face- big Yoda, hundreds times more popular than others- it would be OK.

does it really matter? this is Poland all over again...

LOL :D

Maybe not a wonder..maybe, but IMO projects or events or things that aren't buildings might be cool also. - Like Hammurabi's code of laws.

The Gulag for Russia placing a free jail in all Siberian cities.
The Machu Picchu for Inca giving +1 gold from all hills/mountains
Auswitz..I mean The Brandenburg for Germany..ehemm....
McDonalds corporation for America granting all American cities +1 unhealth but +2 happiness
France: ?
The Abu Simbel for Egypt making 1 free war chariot every 7 turns until Construction or something
Some computer corporation for Japan with +1 free scientist in 5 largest cities and +1 happiness in all cities
The Mahavihara for India making all religious buildings with state religion produce +20% science
The Malinese get University of Sankore as their UW.
Something religious for Arabia, the Spiral Minaret perhaps..
Spain: Alhambra. +20% cultural defence in all cities.
Vikings: Sagas. +100% GP in all cities until Divine right (?).
Babylonia: Hammurabi's Code of Laws. -25% maintenence in all cities. +10% science in all cities.
Aztecs: Sun Temple. No unhappiness from slave whipping in this city and largest city (if largest city builds it, the second largest city also gets the bonus)..

Just my two cents.

The spire on Salisbury Cathedral is much more popular than the Cathedral itself. Let's just include the spire.

We could also reintroduce Oxford for England/GB.
I personally would like to use the buildings in the back of the leaders' animation as the UW, if we can find some new general WWs.

The spire can't exist without building.

Maybe not a wonder..maybe, but IMO projects or events or things that aren't buildings might be cool also. - Like Hammurabi's code of laws.

The Gulag for Russia placing a free jail in all Siberian cities.
The Machu Picchu for Inca giving +1 gold from all hills/mountains
Auswitz..I mean The Brandenburg for Germany..ehemm....
McDonalds corporation for America granting all American cities +1 unhealth but +2 happiness
France: ?
The Abu Simbel for Egypt making 1 free war chariot every 7 turns until Construction or something
Some computer corporation for Japan with +1 free scientist in 5 largest cities and +1 happiness in all cities
The Mahavihara for India making all religious buildings with state religion produce +20% science
The Malinese get University of Sankore as their UW.
Something religious for Arabia, the Spiral Minaret perhaps..
Spain: Alhambra. +20% cultural defence in all cities.
Vikings: Sagas. +100% GP in all cities until Divine right (?).
Babylonia: Hammurabi's Code of Laws. -25% maintenence in all cities. +10% science in all cities.
Aztecs: Sun Temple. No unhappiness from slave whipping in this city and largest city (if largest city builds it, the second largest city also gets the bonus)..

Just my two cents.

Those effects aren't balanced at all.

...Big Ben is more popular than this whole building. Big Ben is a part of Houses of Parliament which is a part of London...
The spire can't exist without building.
I just foudn these two quotes funny...

Big Ben is a part of the Houses of Parliament but it could exist without it.

I think we should have just the arms of Big Ben as a stand-alone wonder...

I think the "X" from the 9 O'clock...

God! Everyone knows the I is SO much more popular!

Well, I don't think we can separate the X and I from 9 o'clock guys, it's like separating the Big Ben and the HoP...

What's this guy on eh? X is part of 9 which is part of Big Ben which is part of the HoP which is part of London, which in on the Earth. Therefore my point is valid.

So why in mods, SimCity 3000, picture of Enlightenment(?) Era in Rise of Nations, etc., etc. is just a Big Ben, without HoP?

The people who designed them were the MINIONS OF BEELZEBUB!

and the Earth is part of the Universe....

So, it shouldn't be the Big Ben but the Big Bang... Case closed.

So, who's gonna do the artwork fer dat?

once again, can WE LET IT GO? i like this idea but this bickering is killing the idea..... sorry to be melodramtic

@Luko, thanks for taking a joke well

=p, so i was unable to find graphics for others Unique Wonders, so let's starting the discussion of all the one that i have ( the bold ones in my list ).

Maybe I can post a beta version.

I personally would like to use the buildings in the back of the leaders' animation as the UW, if we can find some new general WWs.

This isn't really feasible for most civs, but you make a very good point for the Vikings. I've forgotten the name of the palace featured in Ragnar's portrait, but this is probably the best wonder for the Vikings.

So why in mods, SimCity 3000, picture of Enlightenment(?) Era in Rise of Nations, etc., etc. is just a Big Ben, without HoP?

For the exact same reason pictures of Notre Dame or the Eiffel Tower (or pretty much any famous structure) only show the top portion. On this very page you can see SdLeo's avatar doing the same thing. Just because parts of a building become iconic, it doesn't mean we scrap the rest of the building.

(and the spire could stand alone. Just fix it into the ground.)

Honestly the reason why I was proposing this is that I hate Hammurabi standing before the Hanging Gardens, that almost always are build in Beijing, Mao standing in front of the Forbidden Palace, that's anywere but not in China, Stalin in front of the Kremlin, Hatshepsut in front of the Pyramids, Mansa Musa in front of the University of Sankore (never have seen that in Mali!!!), Montezuma in front of the Chichen Itza, that's build long before the New World civs even spawn, Ghandi in front of the Taj Mahal, that's often build by a European civ - at least the Parthenon is often build by the Greeks, so Alexander (and sometimes Qin) is usually the only one standing in front of a building that is located in his country.:crazyeye:

I know that several civs don't have a good backgound building (England, USA, Rome, Inca, Mongols), but it should not be that hard to find appropriate UWs for them. Hopefully.

Btw I think it should be the HoP, but Big Ben should suffice as graphics for that or has anyone ever complained that the Forbidden Palace is so inaccurately displayed?;)

Honestly the reason why I was proposing this is that I hate Hammurabi standing before the Hanging Gardens, that almost always are build in Beijing, Mao standing in front of the Forbidden Palace, that's anywere but not in China, Stalin in front of the Kremlin, Hatshepsut in front of the Pyramids, Mansa Musa in front of the University of Sankore (never have seen that in Mali!!!), Montezuma in front of the Chichen Itza, that's build long before the New World civs even spawn, Ghandi in front of the Taj Mahal, that's often build by a European civ - at least the Parthenon is often build by the Greeks, so Alexander (and sometimes Qin) is usually the only one standing in front of a building that is located in his country.:crazyeye:

I know that several civs don't have a good backgound building (England, USA, Rome, Inca, Mongols), but it should not be that hard to find appropriate UWs for them. Hopefully.

Btw I think it should be the HoP, but Big Ben should suffice as graphics for that or has anyone ever complained that the Forbidden Palace is so inaccurately displayed?;)
I just pretend that we're meeting in the country the building's in .

I know that's not very plausible but hey ;)

It's a bit of a problem when it's not been built or has been destroyed though...

I prefer more flavoured wonders...

Hi again, Talkie Toaster:

Apparently, we think very much alike. I've been working along these same lines since January (but mostly for national wonders, although I thought about great wonders, too).
See here: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=199622
I also included the possibility of creating entirely new wonder types, but I think it would be best not to do that for now. The thread seems to have died out, unfortunately.

It wouldn't be too hard to get a comprehensive list, but what I'd really like, as you pointed out, would be to have specialized art as well.

I've done several tests with this system, and it does work, but there is one bug: for some reason, when I build a unique national wonder, the building itself does not appear in the 3D city view! I can't figure out why.

I'll try to see what I can come up with in the way of more names, as I'm all for more civ-specific content. It really adds to the flavor.

(P.S. I can see it now--major "emigration" fights over whose wonder the London Bridge should be: England, since it was originally built in London, or America, since it was moved to Lake Havasu. :crazyeye: :D)

Hmm, if only RFC attracted good graphic artists :p

There are quite a few available as optional downloads, but not nearly enough to make a comprehensive set, I agree. I just got a book out of the library called "Buildings that Changed the World", so that should be quite useful ^_^

On an off-topic note, while I was there I found a book called "Great Britons", thought it might be useful for your Civ Specific GP modcomp.

I find this idea very intersting, and you see to find some problems to choose a Spanish Wonder. Here are my comments:
-The Alhambra: it's a nice builduing, one of the nicest in the world. It's a good idea. Its only problem is not have been built by Spanish rulers, so it's off. I support the idea of including it as WW ;).
-Santiago de Compostela: it is not a building, it's city. The building it's the Cathedral of Santiago de Compostela. A good idea, IMO. We may discuss later for its effect, but probably will give a lot of commerce (thanks to the Pilgrim's routes).
-El Escorial: it's no more than the common Palace. The capital of Spain was moved from Toledo to Madrid after building it. So, no way. And it's horribly ugly.
-Other ideas I have:
-Magellan's Trip: how could you forgotten this? Can't you remember older Civilization games? Ah, you heretics, burn in hell! :lol: It will be a commerce wonder, also.And for those arguing Magellan was Portuguese... Spanish paid the expedition, and Spanish was the captain that succeded Magellan.

I will continue this list later. Now I have to catch the bus!

England = Palace of Westminster
???

Spain = Magellan's Trip
???

France = Louvre
All Artist Specialist get a +1:commerce:

Germany = Brandenburg Gate
???

Russia = Hermitage
+100% :culture: (?)

Vikings = King's Saga
+50% Production when building Naval Units

Rome = ???

Carthage = ???

Greece = Statue of Zeus
+50% Trade Commerce
+1 Happy with Ivory, Gold and Copper

Babylon = Ishtar Gate
-25 Maintenance in All cities

Persia = Mausoleum of Maussollos
Free Libraries in all cities ( maybe too overpower? )

Arabia = ???

Egypt = Shpinx
Can choose any Religion Civics

India = ???

China = Terracotta Army

Free Combat 1 Promotion in all units created in the city
Mongolia = ???

Japan = Tokyo Tower
(???)
America =
Broadway Same of the vanilla
The White House (???)

Inca = ???
Aztec = ???
*All Wonder in bold I have the graphics.

Russia = Hermitage
+100% :culture: (?)

Thats too weak.


Rome = ???

How about, The Roman Forum? Use the same art from the UB.

This is what I was thinking for the national wonders:
(note that we may not be able to change Scotland Yard, as others have reported trouble with this)

America
Forbidden Palace--Independence Hall
Globe Theatre--Yankee Stadium OR Ford's Theater OR Ed Sullivan Theater
Heroic Epic--War Memorial
National Epic--Lincoln Memorial
Hermitage--Smithsonian Institute
Oxford University--Harvard University
Scotland Yard--Central Intelligence Agency
Palace--U.S. Capitol

England
Heroic Epic--Trafalgar Square
National Epic--Beowulf
Mt. Rushmore--Big Ben?
Wall Street--Adam Smith's Trading Company
Palace--Westminster Abbey/Parliament

France
Forbidden Palace--Palace of Vichy
Heroic Epic--Arc de Triomphe
National Epic--The Song of Roland
Hermitage--Louvre
Oxford University--Sorbonne
Scotland Yard--Interpol
West Point--Foreign Legion

Germany
Palace / Forbidden Palace--Reichstag
Heroic Epic--Battle of the Nations
National Epic--Nibelungenlied
Hermitage--JS Bach's Cathedral
Mt. Rushmore--Brandenburg Gate
Oxford University--Max Planck Institute OR Copernicus' Observatory
Wall Street--Hanseatic League

Rome
Forbidden Palace--Constantine's Palace (needs better name)
Globe Theatre--Theatre of Pompey
Heroic Epic--Triumphal Arch
National Epic--Virgil's Aeneid
Hermitage--The Pantheon
Mt. Rushmore--Trajan's Column OR Hadrian's Wall
Oxford University--Leonardo's Workshop
Wall Street--Imperial Forum (Trajan's Forum)
Palace--Senate (Curia)

Greece
Globe Theatre--Theatre of Dionysus
Heroic Epic--Marathon Epic / Herodotus' Histories
National Epic--Olympic Games
Hermitage--The Mausoleum
Mt. Rushmore--The Statue of Zeus
Oxford University--Plato's Academy
Wall Street--The Agora
West Point--Spartan Barracks
Palace--Senate

Egypt
Forbidden Palace--Temple of Karnak
National Epic--Story of Sinuhe
Hermitage--Mastaba

Russia
Heroic Epic--The Tale of Igor's Campaign
Mt. Rushmore--Red Square
Scotland Yard--KGB Headquarters
Apollo Program--Soyuz/Sputnik Program

Japan
Globe Theatre--Kabuki Theatre
Heroic Epic--Divine Wind
Oxford University--Imperial University
Scotland Yard--Den of Spies
Wall Street--Tokyo Stock Exchange
West Point--Naval Academy

China
National Epic--Romance of the Three Kingdoms
Mt. Rushmore--Underground Tomb (Terracotta Army)
West Point--Sun Tzu's War Academy

Aztec
Heroic Epic--Temple of the Sun
National Epic--Great Pyramid of Tenochtitlan
Hermitage--Temple of the Moon
Scotland Yard--Palace of the Masks

Inca
National Epic--Ball Court
Mt. Rushmore--Sipan's Tomb
Palace--Palace of the Inca

Spain
Heroic Epic--Don Quixote
National Epic--Cantar de Mio Cid
Scotland Yard--Spanish Inquisition

Vikings
Heroic Epic--Norse Sagas
National Epic--Norse Eddas
Oxford University--Uraniborg

India
National Epic--The Five Great Epics
Oxford University--Nalanda University (or Indian Institute of Technology)

Epics for other civs: Epic of Manas, One Thousand and One Nights, Epic of Sundiata, Jangar, Mabinogion, Utendi wa Tambuka, The Epic of Kings, Samguk Yusa.

What say you?

In RFC these national wonders doesn't exist:

National Epic, Oxford University, Heroic Epic and Mt. Rushmore.

I agree with the others... but i think that this isn't very necessery =p i prefer new Unique Wonder than a change of graphics in the existing ones.

Agreed (hate to shoot down your idea!). Half of that list doesn't exist and the other half is just re-skins. I'd rather have new content added than existing prettied up.

Mt. Rushmore--Big Ben?

*stirs up controversy for no readily apparent reason*

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Rome
Forbidden Palace--Constantine's Palace (needs better name)

Palace--Senate (Curia)


Palace: Better Domus Aurea. It was the Palace built by Augustus to hold the Imperial Family residence, the Chancelorship (head of administration) and August's offices, used after him by the next emperors.

Forbidden Palace: though it's too in Rome, I'll suggest the Geneva Palace. It was used as Palace of Government several times (most famous, during Mussolini's ruling).

Spain
Heroic Epic--Don Quixote
National Epic--Cantar de Mio Cid
Scotland Yard--Spanish Inquisition


Heroic Epic: Cantar de Mio Cid
National Epic: Episodios de Historia Nacional (Cantar de Mio Cid was not a moral example for the nation, there was no concept of Spain as nation, when was created, in fact; Episodios... it's the first compilation of Spanish History, excerpts the most important facts Spanish done in history - it's a National Epic literally! The author, if you're asking, is Benito Pérez Galdós).
Scotland Yard: Falange Española (Spanish Inquisition appears too early, and when Scotland Yard it's buildable, Spanish Inquisition was already dismissed; Falange Española operated on that period, much as the German Nazi SS, as a Politic Police and as a Secret Service).


I'll add some more:
Mali
Oxford University: University of Sankore (then we have to change that one).
Stock Exchange (Or National Epic?): Pilgrimage of Mansa Mussa

Carthage
Heroic Epic: Hannibal's Campaign
Palace: Hall of the Seven Hundred
Forbidden Palace: Hall of the Four Hundred (Carthagonova's Senate)

In RFC these national wonders doesn't exist.

This is a list that I'm doing for Warlords; if they're not in RFC (and why the heck not escapes me), that's Rhye's loss. As Whitefire pointed out, we can simply add them as new content.

it's because they are not at all national, but either made up or only a single monument (Oxford, forbidden palace, etc. ...) these have therefore been made world wonders. I'm indifferent on the matter.

mick

Ah, I see... well, that makes sense. I suppose we can reintroduce NW's for these, but with different functions.

That's a good idea, but will they have different effects for each civ, or just a different name? The first will be wonderful, but will it be doable? I guess it will, but it will also difficult to think different effects for each wonder and each civ. We can just try, in any case.

Either one. The way I'm doing it, it's only a matter of defining it in XML. If we want it the same, we just set 'em all the same as the originals.

Oh! Then it's easier than I expected. I thought Python files may be involved. Ok, what now we have to do is to define the effects for each wonder. It will take a while, but the sooner we start, the sooner we will end. I'll do it with Spain:

Cantar de Mio Cid: +4 :culture:, +2 :gp: (great artist). Xp costs for a Great General halved.

Episodios de Historia Nacional: +100% culture, +2 :gp: (great artist). +50% :gp: in that city.

Falange Española: Enables building spies, +2 Xp for any military unit built in that city.

please englishize them... can we?

OK, I'll try:

"Cantar de Mio Cid" = "Poem of My Lord" Though Cid is a person's name, so maybe it should be "Poem of My Cid".

"Episodios de Historia Nacional"= "Episodes of National History". This one was easy.

"Falange Española"= "Spanish Phalanx". Easy one, too.

However, I think they loose a bit of flavour translated. But I guess I wouldn't like Incan unique wonders on Incan lenguage, so it's OK. Everybody should be able to understand what is going to build! :)

I like not translated names- if civs have their own not translated speeches so why national building have to be translated?

I like not translated names- if civs have their own not translated speeches so why national building have to be translated?

In RFC all the city names are in their original language. So i think it is OK to not "englishize" the names of Wonders. :)

In RFC all the city names are in their original language. So i think it is OK to not "englishize" the names of Wonders. :)

Yes, that's what I think, too. However, I cannot refuse to translate it if I'm asked to. An example is "Episodios de Historia Nacional". If you translate it, you have a rather generic name, it could be featured by any civ, but if it's in Spanish tongue, then everybody will feel like it's a unique Spanish wonder. I think this will happen to almost any specific wonder. And, btw, why englishize wonders, since I play on my lenguage? I already have too many messages in English! I haven't problems at all with English, but, hey I have the same right to have them in Spanish as any English speaker on their tongue, no?

Well, I'm nitpicking a little, I guess. :D Put in the lenguage you like. If you want translate all wonders to Arabic. I'll traduce them back to Spanish for me, so I don't care! :p