HAHA! Awesome :thumbsup:

Ok, good :)

And how about this (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=126760) for the Lost and the Damned Decimator? Or is it not Chaosy enough?

And while we are on chaos, do you think you could alter the looted basilisk and chimera, replacing the red with black and the ork glyphs with the chaos star? the basilisk would be the earthshaker the chimera will be the traitor chimera

I also once thought about that. but not for chaos. For orks. But now I think there's no proper place for that. But I'm not sure if it looks "chaosy" enough. Maybe it does :) - I think it's up to you.

And yep, I was thinking about converting the basilisk & chimera to chaos versions. It would be silly not to do so :)
Maybe for chaos version, I'll put the dozerblade on chimera and remove it from the basilisk.

Also, are there other vehicles with that chimera/basilisk -chassis useful for chaos? (bombard, scout salamander, other...?)

With small changes I could change the treadshape and chassis to resemble the razorback & the likes of that. Or what do you think ;)

Well, let's see ;)

Lost and the Damned need these vehicles:
* Chimera
* Hellhound (based on chimera, but with flamer and fuel tanks, which mine doesnt have, so if you wanted to do an imperial guard version too :mischief:)
* Traitor Armour (probably would be a leman russ, something like hikaro's looted russ, except chaosy. im being to like that word :))
* Earthshaker
* Hydra
* Decimator (a bigger tank, probably based off a baneblade or another super heavy tank)

For other units, i thought Mosca's "zombie with gun" and plot's "monster zombie" could be used for the mutant and big mutant respectively, and the sith master/chaos sorceror as the rogue psyker

EDIT: and yes, switching the dozer blade to the chimera would be cool

Hydra uses chimera chassis, right? Right :) Okay, I'll mock up some sort of to-do list, when I get back home.

And I'll also try to model some sort of spacemarinebattleship. Right... :rolleyes:

Will I ever learn to keep my mouth shut - and fingers in check :lol:

Hydra uses chimera chassis, right?
I presume so

Will I ever learn to keep my mouth shut - and fingers in check :lol:
I hope not :D

Or i can add chaos to the first post, save you the trouble

Looks great so far! :D

About the Decimator... What for weapons does it have? I still have Muffins' Shadow Sword model, as well as the Tesla Tank that I did.... If it's weaponry is anything like the Devastator from Dune 2000, then I may be able to just re-color my Tesla Tank, increase the size and add some spikey bits to it.....

I can't help you with it Hikaro, so don't be offended for the lack of response from my part :)

BTW, nice vid that high tech noon :thumbsup:
And I also notice, that you've added your blimp pilot costume pic as your avatar :lol:

On to previews:
Here's a new way of looking these space-marine ships. Now they have two differently coloured civ-coloured areas... I don't know how to explain it, except with a picture.
Here's also a preview of a marine battleship. I think I have to add two of those round gunlike things in the front of that one. And some sort of front bridge in the ... front. Haha :rolleyes: :p

Mind you, that both of these ships fire from the broadside. Strike cruiser has 3 big guns, Marine Battleship has 6.

Nice ships Aaglo, but besides the size, they look quite similar, isn't there something you can do to distuingish them just a bit? :)

YP, those ships should look quite similar to each other, as the pics in this post show:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6243962&postcount=472

But I'm willing to alter the battleship more, if it should prove necessary :)

Looking at those pics, it seems the big one has different proportions than the little one. On the big one the difference between the back width and the long middle-thing width is bigger than on the small ship.

If you understand what I mean. :crazyeye:

The bigger ship already has a bigger length/width -ratio than the smaller cruiser. If that's what you mean... but those ratio's can always be changed though :)

But,
here's a preview of the grey knight's ship... I yet don't know wether it should be a cruiser-class or a battleship-class, so the size is not yet decided.

http://www.mustangsalling.dk/workbench/decimator.jpg

Thats the only pic of a decimator i've been able to find, and its an epic scale model. Since there isnt an official model for it, just about any superheavy WH40K-esque tank should do, provided it has spikes and chaos stars :)

Looking good aaglo :thumbsup: i've been thinking of ways to differentiate the two ships but havent come up with anything really...

[snip]... i've been thinking of ways to differentiate the two ships but havent come up with anything really...

You mean the strike cruiser and marine battleship? Well, I suppose I could make the long thin mid-section a bit thinner. And I've already added a front "bridge" and some other miscellaneous things in there around and about... :)

Any suggestions on the Gray knight cruiser colourings?

Well, grey obviously :p

Maybe black. but what you have now looks fine, IMO :)

Well, what about the size then? should it replace the small or the large ship? (maybe the small one)...

It does look more like a cruiser than a battleship

Okay.
Here's next question:
are any of these usable in this mod?
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=103214

I know they're ultramarines, but so what? I think they'd work well after some c'n'p:ing (like scrubbing off the ultramarine-logo from the shoulderpads).

EDIT: bah, they aren't civ-coloured... they'd need hideous amounts of palette-editing I suppose. darn.

The heavy bolter marine and assault marine are already in :)

The recolouring was quite simple really: i just loaded a palette with blue as the civcolour into each storyboard, so the blue became civcoloured. i also removed the ultramarines symbol off the shoulders

check out this post ;): http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=4224873&postcount=39

another question: that marine captain, the one with the banner. would that do for a librarian? or do you think a new one should be made?

That's amazing :)
Now, please could you do the same things for all the units we might be needing ;)

I thought that should do well for a librarian. What ever would reduce the workload, I'll favour it :)

http://www.mustangsalling.dk/workbench/decimator.jpg

Thats the only pic of a decimator i've been able to find, and its an epic scale model. Since there isnt an official model for it, just about any superheavy WH40K-esque tank should do, provided it has spikes and chaos stars :)

Looking good aaglo :thumbsup: i've been thinking of ways to differentiate the two ships but havent come up with anything really...

Oh yeah, It would be SO easy for me to turn the tesla tank into a Decimator... I can add spikes easy enough, and If I could see what the Chaos Star looks like, I could merely replace the Russian stars on the front and fuel tanks with that....

...Well, plus make it bigger and redder.....

Oh yeah, It would be SO easy for me to turn the tesla tank into a Decimator... I can add spikes easy enough, and If I could see what the Chaos Star looks like, I could merely replace the Russian stars on the front and fuel tanks with that....

...Well, plus make it bigger and redder.....

:D
http://www.asmodee.com/dl/news/toc_chaos_star.jpg

Here's the chaos logo I used in my chaos barge. But the one posted by quinzy might work better in unit-size :)

@ Hikaro: That's great! Thanks :D

@ aaglo: the only problem about using the marine captain as a librarian is, although the omega symbol can be removed from the shoulder pad quite easily, the symbol on the banner will be a lot harder to remove

Darn... maybe I should try and see what I can do about that symbol. I think it could be disappeared/blended to the golden eagle around it, but I don't know how hard would that be.

About the space marine ships.
I think I'll do both completely-civ-coloured and partially-civ-coloured versions of the strike cruiser & marine battleship. The thing is, that darker colours look good on the fully civ-coloured versions, but lighter civ-colours look a bit crappy... like they're having some sort of inner glow :lol: - so if some space marines are having lighter civ-colours, they're ships won't be looking too stupid :)

Sounds good :)

The colours will probably be:
*Ultramarines = Blue
*Black Templars = Black
*Space Wolves = Grey
*Dark Angels = Dark Green
*Blood Angels = Red

Okay.. IIRC, the red colour was not very good with the civ-coloured hull. So, they'll be having ships with less civ-colouring then :)

And about the ultramarine's captain. If I can manage to scratch the ultramarine's logo from the flag, I'll send the files to you so you can remove the logo from the shoulderpad & make it civ-coloured ;) :p
... right...
If/when I manage to make some sort of space-marine model for pov-ray, it might become easier to make fresh librarians.
And have that captain as an ultramarine UU :)

Good plan :)

The captain can be a Tyranid Hunter or something

To say the truth, I'm a bit scared of what plans you have to trick me into doing a crapload of marines for the mod... :lol:

Me? I have no plans to trick you into anything :mischief:

Wouldn't it be better to give the Space Wolves the Light Blue colour? Or perhaps that Green colour Rhye made for his mod? (the one Greece uses)

Five ships for space marines:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=255417

Cheers aaglo

Good point VC, then the Daemonhunters could have grey, which would mean that the recolourings ive been doing are for nothing :)

Unless there is a better candidate for grey?

While we are on colours, do you think we should do what the WH mod does and have one colour for each faction, or should we do it like the epic game and have a primary and secondary colour?

One colour for each faction. We don't want pink Nurgle Marines running around. Well, I don't anyways :P

I'd suggest 1 civ-colour per faction too. But I wouldn't mind nurgle marines being pink :p


BTW, here's a preview of the traitor chimera.

Here's a preview of a traitor basilisk.

Both of those are amazing! :O Top notch Aaglo! Maybe rust them up a tad around the nook and crannies? :D

Excellent and excellent :thumbsup:

My main reason for thinking about the primary and secondary colours is that there are a lot of factions that have the same colour

for example: the Blood Angels, World Eaters, Evil Sunz and Saim-Hann are all red. so that means we either need four shades of red (i think there are currently two) or some of them miss out on red

Maybe rust them up a tad around the nook and crannies? :D

Around the what and who?

In some of the corners that wouldn't be rubbed off bricks, like in corners and things :)

Nooks and crannies, recesses and crevices, holes and gaps, all basically the same thing :)

Okay.
Here's a first test on the hyperios/rhino/razorback/whatever the spacemarines are using - vehicle chassis.

I think it's pretty close to the double-armoured thing.

The weapon turret is there just to make it look like a military vehicle.

What do you think of it? should the hull have different colours moved around (like the recesses in the track guards - should they stand out more from the armour plates?) - please do post suggestions :)

Check out this site: http://www.cg-lair.co.uk/40k_page1.htm
for cool WH40k CG-images :)

Ok, here's a "proper" preview of the hyperios. Obviously, the only thing making it anti-aircraft vehicle (the hyperios rocket batteries) is still missing, but you can get the first look on what colours I was thinking of.

Other changes include:
- colour changes (aren't they obvious :) )
- added headlights
- changed the hull proportions a bit

So, what do you think so far?

Looks great! I can't wait! :D I can't see anything wrong with that! :)

Looks good :)

Ok, Here are a couple of updated previews:

Traitor basilisk has some rusty colours added, and also some more golds. I dunno, something to do with slaneeshi cult I suppose...

The hyperios now has the rocket batteries included. Also the hull is slightly longer now (approx 15%) to match more with the hull shapes of the units made by muffins. But they are not still exactly the same as the ones made by him - I believe he had older models of the space marine land vehicles...

What do you think of them?

Amazing! :D The rust looks great!

very nice aaglo :thumbsup:

This would be a chaos hyperios AA... something similar would be the chaos whirlwind (with fewer but larger rockets).

EDIT: but now I remember, that you suggested making a chaos hydra flak tank for a chaos Anti-aircraft unit. And this is a Hyperios AA for chaos. So, what'll we do? Shall I make a chaos hydra flak instead of this?

Here's a preview of the chaos hellhound tank. Did LMR! mention something about requiring a new hellhound for imperial guard? I think c'n'p:d one we already have is just fine, save the lack of prometheum tanks... :)

How about the colouring? I think that rusty metal should be the way to go... after all, this thing has been through hell's inferno, and there's no paint left in the vehicle.

BTW, traitor chimera & basilisk are done, but I'll make a nice round unit-pack of chaos vehicles, which I'll release in the near future :)

Now the hyperios is also done (the space marine version - not the chaos version).

Now, I'll just have to wait for your suggestions/comments/demands before I make more vehicles. ;)

And also, you could give me suggestions on what else were there needed... or are those needed mentioned in the 1st post?

Chaos were going to have a Chaos Hyperios and the LatD were going to have a Traitor Hydra, so this and a traitor hydra would be great! :D

They look great, btw :thumbsup:

Chaos were going to have a Chaos Hyperios and the LatD were going to have a Traitor Hydra, so this and a traitor hydra would be great!
Damn, somehow I just knew there was something like that lurking around the corner... :lol:

Okay,
here's a preview of the traitor hydra.

come on, gimme some suggestions on the colouring of these things. The rusty browns are getting a bit boring, I'm afraid :)

Greys and drab greens? :)

Lizzy,
did you want me to make a new IG hellhound too?
BTW, I'm going to Mikkeli (St. Michels in swedish) for a couple of days - away from all computer activities... Happy holidays everyone :)

A new IG Hellhound would be good if you wanna do it. i wouldnt be opposed to keeping mine, i just think it could be done better, thats all :)

Most dark colours would work fairly well, say a deep red or green. a lighter shade of grey or silver, like bare metal, would also do the job. and you could probably add some camouflage patterns if you wanted too, too :)

Have a good holiday :)

Okay, enough with the holiday trip :)

I think I'll give the chaos hydra the same hull colour as the chaos hyperios.. to keep a nice continuous colour-theme with the Anti-aircraft vehicles for chaos. And the chaos hellhound will get a dark-brownish paintjob.

And I think I'll do the IG-hellhound too (if you don't mind), and I'll give it a nice cityfighting camouflage-colour (black-grey-white).

Aaglo, I just want to tell you great job on all the stuff you've previewed. I would answer to the individual ones you did, but there are just too many!

Don't worry, odintheking, you'll have plenty of time to reply on many more previews to come. I suppose :)

Well, here's an imperial hellhound. Comments are welcome :)

Love the paintjob!

Traitor basilisk, chimera, hellhound, hydra & chaos hyperios are posted here:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=256493

About the lost & the damned mutants...
I've made a couple of mutant units for thorgrimm's & flamand's sci-fi mod. Could these be used? (they're quite big - as big as orks).

Imperial hellhound & Hyperios AA have been posted too:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=256510

Is that a laser the first mutant has? I would like to keep the zombie with the gun as the mutant, but the chaingun mutant can be the big mutant and the elite traitor (we probably need a better name than that...) could probably be the laser mutant

That first one is a rocket launcher. the second is a mini-gun.

EDIT: Attached are the animation previews. If you have any good suggestions... I think I might be able to use those animations (as a starting point) for some other chaos marines and lost&damned units...

I wonder if anyone would be willing to work with some of these...?
http://www.mechmaster.co.uk/40k/

We have most of those units, but not all...

Yeah, the baal predator, sentinel, the necron monolith and the tau crisis and broadside battlesuits are the ones we need

Well, looking at the animations, i think the one on the left would be better as the big mutant, since i dont think that the elite troops should have heavy weapons for some reason.

maybe because none of the other factions have heavily armed elite troops. but either would work as a big mutant :)

LaTD muties, Big and Small, have what is just known as "firearms" which represent any and every gun they come across, but as the gouns are prone to overheating, i'd say that the one with the chaingun would be best.

Should the elite traitors be mutants? Or just be "evil" versions of the Kasrkins?

Well mutants gamewise are quite... uh... crap, technically. They're hoardy, strenght in numbers. They should be Stormtroopers instead, or Hardened Veterans :)

Thats what i was thinking too :)

I don't think we need the baal predator from there, because I was thinking about making one.

But what I was really meaning, was the defiler. :)


Anyhow, here's a preview of a vulture. This was quite a nasty piece of work to model, but I think it turned out pretty well :)

If you have any cool suggestions for the main colour, please do write your thoughts.

Oh wow, man.. thats beautiful...

That's fantastic!

Maybe some sort of camouflage pattern?

EDIT: Something like this :)

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/52574/VultureCamo.png

Do you want a camo-pattern for the whole hullworks excluding the engine (like in the attached pic), or just in the wings?

You guys are nuts..

So many great units... overdose... :cringe:

What's got into you, Taskmaster??? ;)

I like the fully camo'd version, myself. :goodjob:

My Civ break is not going to last much longer ;) Just a few more days, and then I`m back, full throttle..

Yeah fullly camo'd. I just did the wings cos im lazy ;)

Here's a preview of the baal predator (with twinlinked autocannons in the turret). Is the red paint job close to the blood-angels red?

Blood Angels are the brightest red. That red is a bit too dull :) But the machine itself is amazing :D

So, should I make that whole damn thing civ-coloured?

EDIT: so it would look propably something like this (with the "roman" civ colour).

Yeah, that red is good. I would make it red rather than civ coloured, but in the end it wont really matter :)

That's the red! :D

Ok, I think I'll make the hull bright red (like in the later prev), and also add civ-colouring to where it's present in the previous prev. :)

Awesomeness :D Man, those ass-cannons are gonna eat through everything on the field :evil:

I added some green to the red colour - to make it more warmer red.
Also, I added blood-angels insignia. Blue is civ-colour.

Hey folks.
I thought about making both chaos predator & vindicator -tanks, but I noticed, that only predator is listed in Lizzy's 1st post. So here's what I'd suggest:

Put the Havoc lascannon (from field arty) as an obliterator (support). Because he's a supporty looking guy :)

Then put the Defiler to field artillery.

And eventually, Vindicator to siege (like in the space marines).


How would you like that?

And of course, I have loads of other chaosy units to do too - like those flying things, bike-things, landraidery-things, dreadnoughty-things... you know. But my gf is going to england for 4 months in the end of january, so then I suppose I'll have some time to work with these things... :) - unless I'll manage to squeeze them out before that.

Meh, knowing you, you could squeeze them out before Sunday, but OK, take your time ;)

The Chaos Vindicator is kinda a new thingy.. They were sitting in the garage for the past 10,000 years, and then Chaos champions Alessio and Gav said:

- oi.. why couldn` we `ave one of those things? Since.. you know, we bloody well used them before the `Eresy!?

- mamma mia, you`r-a genious-a. I could-a kiss you.

And there you go. New Codex, new Vindicator.

It's a little bit funny to hear you complain about such things - you don't even play the tabletop game. My guess is that you've propably read that from some random forum, where some juvenile complained about this or that matter. Well, Boo-Hoo I say. :D

I don't know what would be so bad in introducing new units to the tabletop game as time goes by? Developing games is an evolutionary process. To complain about "chaos vindicators not being seen in battle previously" is a bit silly thing to say, all things considered. Who knows, they might even be spoils of war... :)

But whining doesn't help. If it has been seen in form or another sometime in the history of WH40k and the spin-offs, it should be viable in this conversion (that's the way I see it, pretty much like in the WHFB-mod :) ).


EDIT: besides, I haven't heard complaints here about the alterations made to the "codexes" after the rogue trader -game, where it all started :p ;)

Um, you misunderstood.
Mmost people like the vindicator, everyone`s bitc*ing about the fact that they were not available before, cept for the Iron Warriors. And they are nothing special, everyone had Vindicators before the Heresy, but now (before this codex) only Iron Warrios use them? The new system is good :)

When Gav and Alessio decided to include them, the reaction was.. well.. *DUH*.. ;)

:lol:
Yep, I seem to have misunderstood... :lol:

The Obliterator Cult could be a unit-spawning wonder, if we wanted Obliterators in the game at all.

But the Havoc Lascannon, Vindicator, Defiler scenario looks good :)

Obliterators are almost the epitome of chaoticness, bar daemons :D you can't leave them out :mischief:

And i'll try to get Bryce back, if I can... Damned crash :cringe: I'm sorry about that guys...

That's not your fault :)

We all know computers suck ;)

What were you working on, Quin?

I've found a couple of possible chaos/traitor flying units - they were brought to my attention by spacerone's mwnn -mod.

top row, 3rd (Bjornlo's stargate craft)
second row, 4th (ladav's aircraft)
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2143/unitpre2sr7.jpg

EDIT: though there's one problem with bjornlo's stargate craft: It's a bit too small I think.

Teh picture iz not workz. Red X thingy. But if memory serves, I think I know what are the mentioned units, and they sound like good ideas, atleast by design, I can`t remember the size.

I was working on an Obliterator and i'd gotten a chaos Rhino relativley completed.

Here's a preview of the chaos predator.

Shhhhhhhhhhoot, that's a pretty machine!

Sweet! I like it. :evil:

Very nice :thumbsup:

Hey guys. Imperial guard does not have any troop air transporters (like space marines thunderhawk).
What if I make them a Valkyrie (looks a lot like the the vulture I already did - not posted yet though).

Here's a pic of vulture:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Imperial%20Navy/Vulturefrontgc.jpg

And here's a pic of valkyrie:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Imperial%20Navy/valkp1b.jpg

They look a lot like each other, don't you think :)

True, they dont. Unless Goldy's intention was to give the Morons an advantage in that area, i dunno.

But i reckon they should have one, so if you wanna make it, go ahead! :D

Okay, here's a preview then :p

and no camo-colour here is needed, I think .

EDIT: I also noticed, that there are no valkyries/vultures available for the lost & the damned. That's intentional too, I suppose.

about the infil trator for the L&D, We could use some regular guard unit for that. Because I suppose they mostly will try to infiltrate the empire of man, and spread chaos that way... :p

the valkyrie looks great. i still have trouble understanding how you can make these SO quickly and SO accurately :wow:

yeah, infil traitors would be like undercover operatives spreading the filth, but also ready to strike at the heart when the time came

EDIT: actually, i just had a mental image of a cultist going doorknocking from house to house :lol:

it would be cool, if for the fidget he could do some chaos worshipping or something, but then i guess that would need a new unit made...

Well, that valkyrie was easy conversion of the vulture. Just widened the space between the wings & tailpieces, rescaled things in the engine, and made a hull compartment. That was propably one of the easiest models to date for me. Well, the vulture was one of the hardest too... but converting it to a valkyrie was a walk in the park. :)

Concerning the havoc lascannon, defiler and chaos vindicator scenario, the LatD have the earthshaker (basilisk) at field artillery, but were also slated as having the defiler.

so, should they not get the defiler and keep the earthshaker as field artillery and get the chaos vindicator as their siege unit, so should they have the earthshaker as a siege unit and the defiler as the field artillery?

Yes. Then you should also swap the basilisk & manticore for imperial guard (basilisk to siege, and manticore for field arty)...?

Vulture gunship & valkyrie dropship are done:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=257769

Preview of the chaos vindicator :)

Great wrok :) Or work, even :rolleyes:

Should the Valkyrie be at Heavy Fliers like the Thunderhawk?

I think so, yeah. And what if that vulture was available for space marines too? I think they don't have a land "flier" at the moment...

The Vulture was the only "gunship" in the mod, until the Deth Kopta came along.

if the Space Marines get it tho, then the Witch/Daemon Hunters would need it too, wouldnt they?

Well, ok... that was just sort of an option there :) - you don't have to give the gunship to anyone else but IG. And while you're at it, make that vulture their UU... :p

Wow.. that Vindicator is so cool... and so well preserved.. .. the miracles of being in a garage for 10,000 years :p

Vasoline can do miracles sometimes ;) :p

A bit jumping around, but here's a suggestion:
Space Wolves
Leman Russ Exterminator - (9.5.2) +1 HP, Blitz, Forge Tech


Could be this, I think:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=1984419&postcount=8
(part of the leman russ -pack by muffins).

Already got it ;) :)

EDIT: But i realise now that i didnt have a link in the first post, and that is now fixed

About the Vulture issue, the Thunderhawk is really a gunship too, it just comes later than the Vulture. And since the Daemon Hunters also get the Thunderhawk, it'll just be the Witch Hunters who miss out on a gunship, unless they get the Vulture too

They could get the Vulture too, cos they use Imperial Guard resources more often than Daemon Hunters (who rely more on the Grey Knights), thats how I see the fluff anyway..

You two guys see things pretty well, I think :)

So IG/WH get the Vulture, and the SM/DH get the Thunderhawk?

That suits me fine. But will the IG have any unit that can act as a troop transport? The Marauder -bomber?

Wait... I'm a bit confused.

IG and WH have the vulture as a LAND UNIT (ATAR) at flight.
Thunderhawk is already given to SM & DH as a high-end bomber&transport... or did you mean valkyrie there? :confused:

IG/WH get the Vulture as a Land Unit at Flight (with a higher attack value), then get the Valkyrie at Heavy Fliers as a transport (with a lower attack value)

While the SM/DH dont get the Vulture at Flight, they get the Thunderhawk at Heavy Fliers which is both a bomber/"gunship" and a transport

Keep in mind the SM/DH get the Drop Pods, which are dedicated transport units, which come earlier than both the Thunderhawk and the Valkyrie

Ok, now I think I got it. Thanks :)

here's a preview of a landraider crusader... which is still a WIP - some things are missing from the top of the hull.

I think that black colour of the hull looks a bit dull...

Hmm... perhaps add some silvered fringes to it?

.. Wow. Add braziers or torches, and sheets of cloth with prayers on them.. you know, Black Templar stuff, that could break the dull black quite a bit and it would still be recognisable :)

all links & pictures to what you mean (stormy) would not be frowned upon :)

http://uk.games-workshop.com/spacemarines/blacktemplars-emperors-champion/images/4pb.jpg

http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/blacktemplars/extras/art/images/1b.jpg


http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=123074

Altho they are clad in boring black and white, Templars like to pimp out their armour and vehicles as much as orks do... They use holy tomes, braziers, shields with templar insignia, prayer sheets..

The Crusader will be the Templar UU, right? So, even if its awesome as it is, I think it deserves a cool detail or two :)

You could add some of those purity seals: the red ribbons with the old-fashioned wax stampy thing at the top. or add a few more templar crosses. or perhaps a lantern hanging off the back or something.

Um.. purity seals? The ribbons (tiny prayer sheets) are white, the wax stampy thing (the seal!?) is red :)

Unless they`re Blood Angels, then its green ;)

Thanks for the cool ideas. I already was designing some cool seals & accessories, like the ones shown in here:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/spacemarines/Doors/blacktemplar2.jpg

I was thinking about those purity seals. I think the ribbon should be of "paper colour", and the seal should be red.. with possible golden trim ("if" the seal is made of hot wax, then it should be completely red, but if not, then other colours in there should not be a problem).

Wooo! Looking great :D

Mwahhaaha, my black Foot Sloggers are gonna kick butt with this baby`s support!

Here's updated preview. It's looking quite good already.

I changed the storm bolters to the front sidedoor. I'll add somekind of "braziers" in the rear (after the rear doors).

And then remains some hatches on top. Should there also be a pintle-mounted weapon too? Maybe so, but not necessarily used in the attack anims.

Yeah! It looks great!

Pintle mounted:

http://www.xenomorphe.ch/photos/image-1-land_raider_crusader.jpg

I think this model is complete... with functioning disembarking ramp in the front :crazyeye: . The only thing that bothers me with this are the proportions (lenght/height/width). It somehow seems a bit too wide - but I'm not sure. What do you think?

For the record, it might be rather simple to narrow it a bit, but I wouldn't count on that... since currently I can smell the presence of murphy's laws .

You are the lord of awesomeness...

I don`t know about the dimensions.. compare it to muffins` landraider?

It does seem a tad wide but... It's still amazing :D

Well, this is wider than muffin's landie. But this is also completely another unit :) - it's older (for starters) :)
attached a preview of slightly narrowed landraider (about 7% narrower).

About the chaos landraider - should I model it by using the pre-heresy era landraider by forgeworld? Here's a preview of that:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/phlandraider.htm

That looks friggin' awesome! :wow:

Love those "braziers" (sp?) and the flame effect, and the purity seals, and that arrangement on the front is simply beautiful!

I think modeling it after the pre-heresy one would be awesome, as well as fitting with the nature of Chaos in using the old-reliables as well as the new and the daemonic :D

Aalgo,

form post 600. The stargate fighter could work for the Hell Blade couldn't it. It is only a fighter?
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/hellblade.htm

Or did u mean that the model is just to tiny and can't be resized?

That one is a bit small, but how about this one? http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=126693

Maybe someone could recolour this to be darker, as it looks a bit more like the Hell Blade?
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=147254

Yeah, that does look more like a hell blade. a completely new unit would be even better tho :D :mischief:

HA-HA!
I think both of them would look ok. The glider especially looks chaosy to me.

The glider since it is bigger could work for the Hell Talons which i think are the next ones up? At least on the Forge World site.

Yep, the Hell Blade is a fighter and the Hell Talon is a bomber, at least in the mod it is :D

Hi guys, annihilator-modification for the chaos predator is done.

Annihilator -modification for chaos predator (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=258497)

http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads//chaospredatorcivilop2_dZT.gif

http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads//chaospredatordemo2_sfm.gif

:D Awesome! Maybe cut off the lasers so they don't go too far in-game? If you know what I mean.

How nice. :(
Every other person wants the beams be as long as possible, and others want them to be cut before they get too far away... it's true what they say: you can never please everyone.

I bet you can do it yourself too if you really really want to :)

I didn't mean to offend :( And you're right, I can do it myself if I want to. :)

Hey, I'm not offended. I'm just disappointed...

;) :p

It's sometimes just so hard to please everyone ;)

Okay, here's a preview of the chaos landraider, with pre-heresy style sidesponsons.

What do you think? How about the colouring on this?

Perfect. Thats my comment on all the things you previewed since I last posted :D

Here`s something I don`t know and I admitt it ;):

Whats the difference between the Heresy Era and normal sponsons?

Here's the difference.

"Modern" (around and since year 40.000) landraider
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/spacemarines/prom2.jpg

Pre-heresy landraider (around & before year 30.000)
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/spacemarines/phlr3.jpg

I thought of adding pre-heresy sponsons, since the chaos forces would propably use mostly older hull-models of the landraider ;)

I think that Pre- and Post-Heresy stuff should look completely the same, but the Pre-Heresy stuff has no paint.

The older sponsons look more awesome :D

New sponsons!
There`s a good chance the Hurricane Bolters won`t be firing when you exit the side-door! (so don`t go pissing off the Machine Spirit)

Yeah, I too like the old ones better :)

I think that Pre- and Post-Heresy stuff should look completely the same, but the Pre-Heresy stuff has no paint.

I'm not sure what you mean by that... :lol:

@Stormy & Quinzy,
by you saying "older sponsons look better" (or something like that), I suppose you mean the "pre-heresy style sponsons" (and not the sponsons I previewed earlier with the landraider crusader...)

(pre)Heresy Era ones in my case (but only for Chaos, should you ever choose to give each SM chapter their pimped out vesions of... everything :mischief:). Meh, even I got confused. The one you made is good for me. There.

BTW, that Crusader in post #660 only has a pair of twin-linked bolters. Shouldn`t there be 3 of them?

Somehow, recently I've gotten the feeling of impending doom... and the fact that such things to be made (those pimped-out versions) are no for me to choose, but rather something... or someone else. :scared:

:p

And we haven`t even started with the other xenos yet :evil:

I'm not sure what you mean by that... :lol:

It's the first thing which came to mind when I saw the images of the (painted) post-Heresy tank and the (unpainted) Pre-Heresy one.

Here's a comparison preview between the landraider crusader & chaos landraider.

Any suggestions to make them look more different from each other? Or do you think these are ok?

Land Raider Crusader should be mostly Civ-coloured, I think.

Yeah, so each Chaos Legion can have its own. But he already made a Black Legion Predator for all of Chaos.. (then again.. its in the spirit of the new codex...)

Dammit, no one noticed before! :cringe:

Aaglo, as far as the Black Templars and the Black Legion go, they look great, and they shouldn`t look very different seeing as they are both.. well.. black.

Aalgo, I think that they are different enough. Short of you putting a flag or Huge Chaos sign on it. After all they are supposed to be similar. Maybe some rust and deteriation on the chaos one, but I don't think that would really show at civ scale. The choice is obviously yours, being the great Fabricator-General. Personaly though I think to much civ color comes off too cartoony. However thats just my two cents worth (less actually):crazyeye: .

Black templars also employ some level of white, so perhaps one or two sections of plating in white to help distinguish?

So, stormy would like to see some of these then too I suppose? :)

EDIT: no, I would not mind doing these too. But every other person here at Civ3 C&C-community would rip off their hair for me over-flooding the forums with WH40k-stuff :p

In case you didn't know, those are the chaos predator & vindicator with different colour schemes. Yep - I can also under-estimate you guys :p ;)

Surely no one would mind if you posted them in the same thread as the non-civ-coloured ones?

If you want to make the landraiders more different, maybe get rid of the skull thingy on top of the chaos star and increase the size of the star and make it gold or something?

Oh, man... I love you. I really do! Bless ye kind heart, sonny :D

So, can you do the Landraider in civ-color also? :)

I know, it's easy to want everything. :p

Looks great :)

I am in no way versed in WH40K, but i have been watching some of the pics and was wondering if there will be a Titan unit. Now that would be even more impressive :D

Titans have already been built, and I doubt that they'd be in the mod given their colossal size.

They totally should be in the mod, even given their colossal size!

Muffins made a couple (three, IIRC) titans, and I think they'll be in :)

Chaos Predator & Vindicator with alternative colour scheme have been posted :)

If the Titans are put in, they MUST be generated from wonders

Is the civ-colour Predator the lascannon or autocannon one?

Thanks, Aki! And the the civ-color Chaos Landraider looks super-fly too! :D

Titans, eh? Well, I was thinking maybe they could be used in some scenarios? Unless someone has a really great idea of implementing them..

If the Titans are put in, they MUST be generated from wonders

Is the civ-colour Predator the lascannon or autocannon one?


Ermm.. still looks like lascannons.. Why? He gave it the old attack?

Because i havent got round to downloading it yet and looking :p

i was wondering now we have lascannon and autocannon version whether one should be a UU for one of the chaos legions and the other the "generic" version?

Erm.. those autocannons really, really look like lascannons. (Autocannon Predators almost look like normal tanks if you ignore the sponsons.)
.. perhaps for Alpha Legion? The masters of deception?

"Look, its a Black Legion Chaos Predator armed with lascannons."
"Oh, noes! Its an Alpha Legion armed with autocannons?"

The civ-coloured predator has both attacks included in the zip-file, so you can choose which attack to use.

And quit moaning (stormy) about them looking just like lasguns. Check on the autoguns on the Hydra flak. And the gun barrels on that predator are actually taken from the traitor hydra I did earlier :p

Hey...
On the contrary of my tendencies, I thought of not adding any more chaos predators to my "units to do"-list :)

But how about that mostly civ-coloured chaos landraider?

CCCLR (Civ-Coloured Chaos Landraider) looks great :thumbsup:

Ok, here's a question I forgot to ask earlier:
What about the Chaos Landraiders Weapon Configurations (CLWC)? In the side sponsons I mean... Obviously, they're currently twin-linked las cannons ( ;) ). What opions are there for the traitor bastards?

I have no idea :) I can find out if i can remember next time im at my mates place. he plays chaos now as well as black templars

Most common configurations seems to be twin-linked las cannons...

Maybe in the end of the game? Like Dragons and Demons in the WH Fantasy mod?

edit: I didn't see whole last page, this was a comment on whether or not Titans should be in the game.

I hate it when i do that :)

Yeah, Titans would be at the Super Heavy tech, which is in the last era

I have the old Chaos Codex, but the sponson-options in it are Heavy Bolters or Lascannons :D

Lascannons for Landraiders, IMO.

I misread the description, it's actually:
Two Twin-Linked Lascannons and a twin-linked heavy bolter :)

Yeah, I also went and checked it at the local GW-store. Sponsons are always twin-linked las-cannons for chaos LR.

But I think I should propably replace the "twin-linked storm-bolter" in the front to twin-linked heavy bolter, or something of that sort.

Landraiders have been posted:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=260107

So... umm, what's next? I thought of fiddling a bit with the dreadnoughts.
At least one for chaos, one venerable for space wolfs (or whoever got that in the lists of lizzy) and the furioso for blood angels. That furioso is a nasty piece of work: two close-combat powerclaws combined with a flamer and a heavy bolter.

I know, im glad none of my mates play Blood Angels :eek:

Dreads would be cool ;)

Dreads!? You gonna make Dreads! :bounce: I love Dreads! Wow! *cool40kaaglostuffoverdose*


Here is something to express my gratitude:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRuNxHqwazs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-3qncy5Qfk&NR=1

Aaaah Powerthirst! I remember these! :D God love those guys xD Haha, Superbingo was the best. I even made a deershank emote!

And woah, dude, if you made dreads that's be completely awesome!

Hi :)

This dreadnought-model takes a bit more work than I thought, because of various reasons.

Here's a very early work-in-process picture (VEWIPP) of the furioso. These are still missing:
- legs :rolleyes:

All the red there shall be civ-colour.

Oh my! Looks absolutly amazing! And vicious! :D

Your units are nice as always aaglo, but what was wrong with the Muffins dreadnaught?

nothing :) - lizzy wanted a bit more variation: a furioso for the blood angels (a dread with two close-combat arms combined with a flamer and a twin-bolter), and a venerable dreadnought (a deadlier version for the space wolfs) and a chaos dreadnought. :)

Of course we are going to use the muffin's dread too (it would be stupid not to).

Gak! Dude, its great! Its so.. McDonalds (I˙m lovin` it!)

Fantastic! :thumbsup:

nothing :) - lizzy wanted a bit more variation: a furioso for the blood angels (a dread with two close-combat arms combined with a flamer and a twin-bolter), and a venerable dreadnought (a deadlier version for the space wolfs) and a chaos dreadnought. :)

Of course we are going to use the muffin's dread too (it would be stupid not to).

I see. So you are starting to figure out unit lines and such? :)

Yeah, check out the first post of this thread... there's some unit-lines for you. Altough, Lizzy hasn't been updating the lists recently - maybe he's going to do it once every month?

Umm, actually i just forgot :blush:

EDIT: Added the links to the Baal and Chaos Preds, the Chaos Vindicator and the Chaos LR and the Crusader

Oh I didn't see that. :)

Can we get rid of the "Chaos Librarian" from the chaos list? They... don't exist :)
A Chaos Sorceror would be best!

You mean that .... chaos people don't read books? Okay :)

Here's a preview of the furioso dreadnought in civ-coloured paint-job. The size of this thing is pretty much the same as the muffins dreadnought. I hope the blood angels will have red civ colour... :)

I mean, I could make it with fixed red paint on, but then there would be virtually no good place for civ-colouring. Why?
Because I like to use the colours not used generally in my palettes as civ-colour. And these colours are blue and cyan. Both of these colours cannot be put next to red colour, because anti-aliasing makes the border between these two colours magenta - which happens to be the transparency colour in my units. Thus, the borderline of civcolour & red colour becomes transparent, which -for obvious reasons - is not a good thing.

You might protest, that there were civ-coloured patches in the baal predator. Well, yes. But these civ-coloured pathces were isolated with dark gray pieces, so that tere were virtually no joint borders between civ-colour and red. So there :) .

Its lovely! (been watching Monthy Python on Youtube all evening)

I think BA will get red as civcolor. They have to, cos muffins` marines and tanks are civ-colored ;)

I think you worked out the best way of doing it :)
And man... that think looks... fierce!

It may just be me, but it seems that the legs are a bit too thin/small?

They could be a little larger but if it's too awkward to resize then I can't see much of a problem.

Maybe they were a bit thin.. I beefed the legs a bit (~16.66667%).

Aha! Now it's perfect! :D

Yep, it looks perfect now. :)

Oh yeah! Perfect! Furioso! Rrrrrrrraaaage! Its Crystal Meth in a Can!

Looks great aaglo! :thumbsup:

Can we get rid of the "Chaos Librarian" from the chaos list? They... don't exist :)
A Chaos Sorceror would be best!
I was thinking about the Thousand Sons having a Sorceror instead of the Librarian as a UU, but if there arent any chaos librarians, then i guess they all have sorcerors.

I think BA will get red as civcolor. They have to, cos muffins` marines and tanks are civ-colored ;)
Yep, all the Space marines will have their colours, but what to do about Chaos and others...:hmm:

Oh yeah! Perfect! Furioso! Rrrrrrrraaaage! Its Crystal Meth in a Can!

I feel like a fighter jet made of biceps! :D

Those effects of drinking Powerthirst.. its sounds like you become a Space Marine :crazyeye:

Looks very impressive :)

How about replacing the chaos librarian with a chaos chosen, which quite neatly handles the upgrading to the daemon prince... I guess.

Erm, chosen are just veterans.. Its the lords that have only 3 possible faiths - to die on the battlefield, to become a daemon prince or to become a chaos spawn.

The librarian should really be replaced by a sorceror, thats the exact equivalent.

Ok, Chaos Librarian replaced with Sorceror :)

What do you think of Possessed Marines being the Black Legion's "Lesser Daemons"? Furies would be a better choice, but furies are at Fast Attack (i think), and im having a bit of trouble thinking of something else...

Khorne=Bloodletters, Nurgle=Plaguebearers, Tzeentch= Horrors, Slaanesh= Daemonette, Undivided= Possessed?

But I thought that only tzeeentch has sorcerors... well, I guess their sorcerors are much better than other sorcerors.

We don't have possessed in any other slot? Then I'd say: go for that then :)

No, everyone has sorcerors, there are all kinds of them. They just devout themselves mostly to Tzeentch cos then they get the best powers.

Possessed? Sounds good.

In the first post the Thousand Sons get a Sorceror that replaces a Chaos Librarian (that doesn`t exist). They really should get a unique sorceror tho. Sorceror Lord?

Sorceror Lord sounds like the best option. Maybe with a disc of Tzeentch?

Yeah! Screw you Silver Surfer, I`ve got a disc of Tzeencth! Zzzzap! I support that idea :D

Here's a preview of the venerable dreadnought. Some issues:
- is the space marine helmet just too stupid there? I guess that helm should not look like a regular SM-helmet.
- The legs still need some fancying - and so does the engine in the back.
- I believe that the venerable dread should have one close combat arm (like this one). But what about the other arm's weapon. I know there are pics of a Space Wolf venerable dread with a assault cannon on the other arm. But the dread by muffins has exactly that weapon. What should this guy have? Twin-linked las-cannon? Blaster? Twinlinked autocannons? Options are numerous - like these:

autocannons
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/spacemarines/venult3.jpg

lasercannons
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/spacemarines/bavendread1.jpg

multi-melta
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/spacemarines/ultr1.jpg

plasma cannon
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/plasmacannonst.jpg

heavy bolters
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/heavyboltersst.jpg

inferno cannon
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/spacemarines/Dreads/seigerap2.jpg

I say lascannon..

And yeah, make the helmet like these guys have. Just a sphere with them evil eyes. ;)

Maybe some wolfpelts on him? I admitt I don`t know why the SW are getting the Ven Dread, every chapter can have those..

Those are spectacular Aalgo! I always kinda liked the plasma canon. Or you could outfit it with something you cook up like the customized versions that GW sometimes spotlights?

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I like the idea of something a unique since the Ven's have been around for a long time.

Well, I wouldn`t arm one of the longest serving marines in the chapter with something unstabile as a plasma cannon. Those guys sweat honor, imagine them shooting themselves in the leg.. :crazyeye:

But yeah, I love plasma cannons too.

I thought that was part of the point, aren't they armed with older more volitile weapons to make up for thier knowledge and toughness?:mischief: I was looking at it from the point of seeing some other interesting animation, since it is offered as an option.

Ok, here are some replies:

- I think I won't make too heavily customized venerable - too much trouble for me :D

- I'd rather skip on adding any fur pelts (eventhough it's supposed to be space wofl veneral dread). I can't make a decent-looking fur. It would only make things look worse... I'm pretty sure of it.

- Ok, I'll make a simpler helmet on this.

- So, what'll be the weapon of choise? Plasma cannon? Please don't say that I should make different variations of the venerable dread. It's a shedload of work to make even one half-decent looking vendred...

Plasma cannon or twin-linked lascannons, your choice, mate. I think it will look great, the pelts were just a random thought ;)

I would go with the Lascannons as every Venerable equipped with Plasma cannons seems a bit daft :)

Well, I already started making the plasma weapon before I saw your post, Quinzy.

If this looks just silly, I could put it on a chaos dread instead ... because that plasma blaster is a bit chaotic in nature :)

What do you think of this? Suggestions are welcome :)

Looks excellent :)

Hey, that doesn't look that daft after all! :D Infact it looks great!

Perhaps whiten up those purity seals so they stand out a bit better? :)

Looks great! Your work is top notch! (as always).... I was a little worried when Quinzy said it would be daft. But you pulled it off.

Aalgo, have you considered putting a shield on the right shoulder panel and maybe some gernade toobs on top? Or I've seen some with the sighting senors on the leftside with a search light on top? Just thowing some ideas ur way. The model already looks good, and its clean and not cluttered so.....
Just some ideas.

I'm not sure what you mean with the shield and gernades (do you mean smoke launchers like in the furioso?)... could you show an image of them? But I understood about the sighting tool and whiter parchments on the purity seals - like this.

Example of the search light. Yes I did mean the smoke launchers.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/spacemarines/Dark%20Angels/davendreadp1b.jpg

The shield probably wouldn't work it's more of a Balck Templars theme, or Grey Knight.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/btvendread9store.jpg

Yeah, a shield wouldn`t work well with a Space Wolf Vendread. Unless its a viking shield :crazyeye:

Anyhoo, I love what you did with the thing, I think its ready to be used. The only thing I would suggest is making it in full Civ-color so we can use this unit as a generic VenDread in scenarios etc.