General discussion about ideas and stuff

Suggestion:
For starters, we should really consider dumping the idea of adding necrons, eldar, deldar, tyranids and tau to the mod for the moment. We simply don't have enough units for them. When units for them arise, I think we can consider these "civs".

Or, we do have some for tau (hammerhead & firewarrior by smoking mirror), but I think there are none for d/eldar/necrons, and tyranids are just weird.

And let us concentrate on what really can be done (imperial guard, space marine chapters, witch & daemonhunters, chaos marines and orkz. and somethings I might forget).

Sorta like what embryodead/mr.do/mrtn did with WHFB-mod - adding things afterwards. You might hate this idea, but it's an option, not an ordnance :p

It sounds acceptable.. just so long as we can add the missing stuff after :p

Actually, this is my plan. You'll like it, because its awesome and what we're going to do. Once we get the units lines and stats, tech tree, buildigns and what not, basically most of the non graphical 'Biq' work, all down on paper, we chuck it all into a biq with place holder graphics and start playtesting right then. That way, we can playtest while we're begging aaglo to make us stuff and he tells us no and it'll cut down on time.

I'll probably piggy back it on the WHFBM for now, using High Elf graphics for eldar and Dark elf for Deldar and what not.

By the way, we have 3 Eldar units (Grav Tanks by TGA) and One dEldar Unit (The Wytch by Embryodead). So Thhb. :p

To me that looks like a plan! :yup:

Yup, sounds good to me, too... :)

we're begging aaglo to make us stuff

I thought we were going to present him trees as sacrificial offerings :p

On a serious note, that sounds like a very good plan :)

What? Trees or Placeholders? I'm up for both :thumbsup:

I'm glad you all agree. Becasue if you didn't, I'd have to drive to your house and beat you up. And Finland and Austrilia are a long way away and I don't have alot of money for gas.

I have an Eldar figure. I can make a few of those dudes in the future, :).

Anyone know where I can get WH 40K stuff for Poser? I know I can get a Bolter and chainsword from Renderosity, but that's about it...

Then again, I'll probably be more involved with Ork/Chaos stuff, considering I can make either by adding hornz and spikez to standard Imperial stuff, and I know where I can get said Imperial stuff. ;)

Odin found Vanishing Point (http://www.vanishingpoint.biz/freestuff.asp?ClassificationID=15), which has got 40K stuff on it

EDIT:including two Chaos Marines on the second page (Khorne Berserker and a Legion of the Damned one)

EDIT 2: and on page three there are two Chaos Space Marines (one with horns :viking:), a Thousand Sons, and a Plague Marine

Darn, there's a lot of stuff there...

Sure is. Makes me really wish i had poser... :(

Cool! I can start on the chaos stuff as soon as their unit lines get figured out....

Shouldn't be long. I mean, I have them all basically done, but they're in a notebook. A notebook is not the same as the internet. Its involves paper. So, you knows, I gotta painstakingly convert it from a .ppr doc to a .ontheweb doc. :p Aaaan I'm not going to do any more of that right this moment. And my homie is coming home from pittsburgh tomorrow- so the next thing of line will be up sundy, probably.

While I am currently reading through the 53 #edit 59 pages of the previous thread, I though it might be simpler to just ask - What is the scope of this mod?

Is it...
(More than one answer may be appropriate)
One Planet / Multiple Planets
A long term history
The settling of a Planet
A Campaign (<- my personal preference) (which may take decades)
Some strange occurance somewhere within the Eye of Chaos
A Giant Space Hulk

Once I know more about this I may be able to make some more usefull sugestions.

One planet. No long term history thing. No Campaign, no nothing. What the Waffle do we need a story for? Its 40K- everyone has a reason to fight, so they do. Trying to fit some sort of story will just slow us down.

What is the scope of this mod?

Not Story - Scope

Time - otherwise you have Techs like "Alphabet" and "Hour 3 - Reinfocements Arive"

Location - You say one planet. Possibilities for this are still large.

Setting - A 25 words or less description of what is going on. (e.g. "What the Waffle do we need a story for? Its 40K- everyone has a reason to fight, so they do." )

There are some other factors that could come into scope, but I think that those are the major ones.

I'm not asking this because I need an answer. I'm asking this because I want to know what the framework is. If a question has no answer yet, that means I am free to suggest a wider range of things without contradicting what has already been descided.

It is the 41st millenium. For more than a hundred
centuries the Emperor has sat immobile on the Golden
Throne of Earth. He is the master of manking by the will
of the gods, and master of a million worlds by the might
of his inexhaustible armies. He is a rotting carcass writhing
invisibly with power from the Dark Age of Technology.
He is the Carrion Lord of the Imperium for whom a
thousand souls are sacrificed every day, so that he
may never truly die.

Yet even in his deathless state, the Emperor continues his
eternal vigilance. Mighty battlefleets cross the daemon-
infested miasma of the warp, the only route between distant
stars, their way lit by the Astronomican, the psychic
manifestation of the Emperor`s will. Vast armies give battle
in his name on oncounted worlds. Greates amongst his
soldiers are the Adeptus Astartes, the Space Marines,
bio-enigneered super-warriors. Their comrades in arms are
legion: the Imperial Guard and countless planetary defence
forces, the ever-vigilant Inquisition and the tech-priests of
the Adeptus Mechanicus to name only a few. But for all
their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the
ever-present threat from aliens, heretics, mutants -
and worse.

To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold
billions. It is to live in the cruellest and most bloody
regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget
the power of technology and science, for so much has been
forgotten, never to be re-learned. Forget the promise of
progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there
is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars,
only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter
of thirsting gods.

I just dug this thread up for a couple of reasons:

Reason #1
http://www.vanishingpoint.biz/freestuff.asp?ClassificationID=15

We really need a poser-user to help us a bit.


Reason #2
Little bird sang, that someone has sort of biq-file for the mod already made - sort of mini-beginning for a mod. Should that someone start a thread about it?

#1: I have poser and am gonna (finally) start figuring out how to work it during these summer holidays (starting immediately after my last exam on monday afternoon :woohoo:)

#2:If that someone was to start a thread about the biq, what would they talk about, since there are threads about most of the important elements of the biq... :mischief:

#1
That's great news, good luck with the exams, and don't waste all your free time and wonderful weather on... away from the pc :p ;)

#2
In that thread we could discuss, wether the alpha-stage mod should be distributed or not... or not (well, that was a clumsy expression :) )

Well, I dont think its ready, since its just units that have been added and some wonders renamed. but if you think a new thread would be a good idea i'll start one up

on a related topic, do you think we should concentrate on just the imperium, chaos, orks and maybe eldar for the first version? and leave the tau and necrons (and possibly the tyranids?) for later expansions?

Goldflash here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=5229846&postcount=4) suggested ... well go and see for yourself, it's in the previous page, post no 4. Or just click on the link.

But the eldar/deldar/tau seem so far away right now... I'm just a workhorse, not a "taskmaster"... :mischief:

Good point. Unfortunately, i started the new biq based on the WH one, but deleted all the units and started again, so it would be more organised :sad:

but i'll muck around with it soon, add in all the units and placeholder graphics then start up the thread :)

Hey, don't worry about it too much (yet).
You've got the poser-learning to do also... :mischief:

I also have a said .biq, but it currently only has the SM units added, and the IG pediaicon'd, to avoid crashes of doom.