"to help in their war of liberation." It seems to have been introduced or increased in version 142. I disliked powerful civs spawning where there was no empty space for them, and I hate this. Babylon is no longer fun at all, for example.

A good way to avoid that is to keep your units away from the new spawning civ for the first ten turns after they spawn.

Babylon is no longer fun at all, for example.

Babylon delenda est!

Wouldn't it have to be Accusativ? meaning either Babylonem or Babylonim, (My latin is rusty, is Babylon, -is consonantical or i-finish? Either Way, shouldn't there be something before that to, like "Ceterum censeo"? ;)

(sorry)

mick

I christen you, mitsho, the world's first Latin Grammar Nazi :p

According to Stowasser:
Babylon, onis: the city
Babylonia, ae: the country
censeo + AcI: I propose

Yes of course, we were citatint Cato, (He said "Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam at the end of each of his speeches"), but what declination is Babylon, -onis, f exactly? I found too in my dictionary that -onis referred to the city, and I wanted to express that. On second thought, taking the declination for the country might have made more sense. ;) Well, in any case, it's not important...

btw. Why am I a Nazi in that regard?

Onto the topic, playing as Babylon shouldn't be fun, theoretically, you should fall with the advent of the PErsians... If you survive, every other civilization will going on to pick on you. The game is designed so that Babylon falls... I'm sorry.

Regarding gameplay, you have two cities only that will never defect you, Babylon and Ninua. So you basically have to play a two-cities game until the Turks have spawned. Well, my only tip is to play it as a TCC until then, Good Luck. ;)

You will see that with other civs it's not that drastic as they are not designed to fall ;)

mick

"to help in their war of liberation." It seems to have been introduced or increased in version 142. I disliked powerful civs spawning where there was no empty space for them, and I hate this. Babylon is no longer fun at all, for example.

Well, Babylon is meant to die and possibly resurface in the industrial/modern/post-modern eras as a vassal. IMO, the best option for a powerful Babylonian Empire is to screw the UHV and go for Archery then Bronze Working.

Have your build order in Babylon be worker, settler, warrior, barracks, archer, archer, archer, archer...And in the bronze city, go for Barracks, Spearman, Spearman, Spearman, Archer, Archer, Archer....

Once Persia spawns, declare war on them, then march your stack to Pasargade. The 3 spearmen on a hill (or even better, in a forest) can handle up to 9 Immortals. Then suicide your Archers onto Pasargade and eliminate Persia. Now you have an uber-city to fuel research towards Construction, production of units and an Ivory resource for Elephants.

You should raze As-Sur/Sur and Ur if they flip and keep Susa. You should stay to these 4 cities, pumping out units and wonders, until Arabia spawns. Don't go into India, don't go up to Samarkland, don't go into Turkey. Possibly pick up Yerushalem, but remember that that city will flip.

Once Arabia spawns, use your hoards of Elephants, Catapults and Archers to take down Yerushalem and Makkah. raze the rest. At this point, you can expand anywhere you want except Turkey since the turks will flip anything you put up there.

Good ideas, WhiteFire. I've never tried Babylon, but now I'm willing to do it, for my first RFC Warlords game! I think I'll try all the new civs, but I'll start with Babylon. Another idea I had: why not about a race to conquer India? Or at least, Delhi. That way you have a third city with many possibilities, Elephants, for example. After that, you can easily build a Mughal-like Empire. Weird, but can work. Another idea is to go to Egypt, but I think there are many barbs out there.

Damn connection. It was double-posted. Sorry.

Yes of course, we were citatint Cato, (He said "Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam at the end of each of his speeches"), but what declination is Babylon, -onis, f exactly? I found too in my dictionary that -onis referred to the city, and I wanted to express that. On second thought, taking the declination for the country might have made more sense. ;) Well, in any case, it's not important...

btw. Why am I a Nazi in that regard?


It's slang (I suspect American-only slang) to call people who are unreasonably insistent upon following the rules Nazis. The term was popularized by the Seinfeld epsiode "The Soup Nazi", about a guy who owned the best soup restaurant in New York, but degraded and humiliated his customers.

Usually it's an insult, but as someone who's heavily connected in the publishing industry, I can tell you that the one exception is "Grammar Nazi." That is actually considered a compliment, because people who are "unreasonably" strict about grammar are about the most useful people that you can have on an editing staff. My g/f gets paid quite a lot to be a Grammar Nazi, for example. :D

Another idea I had: why not about a race to conquer India? Or at least, Delhi. That way you have a third city with many possibilities, Elephants, for example. After that, you can easily build a Mughal-like Empire. Weird, but can work. Another idea is to go to Egypt, but I think there are many barbs out there.

Well, there's nothing stopping you from running to Delhi except maintenance, the plague, and Barbarians. Don't forget that Persia's capital has an Ivory resource, so you can work that to fend off the barbs and Arabs.

Then again, taking Delhi, building both shrines and spreading the religions would definitely make up for the maintenance costs.

It's slang (I suspect American-only slang) to call people who are unreasonably insistent upon following the rules Nazis. The term was popularized by the Seinfeld epsiode "The Soup Nazi", about a guy who owned the best soup restaurant in New York, but degraded and humiliated his customers.

Usually it's an insult, but as someone who's heavily connected in the publishing industry, I can tell you that the one exception is "Grammar Nazi." That is actually considered a compliment, because people who are "unreasonably" strict about grammar are about the most useful people that you can have on an editing staff. My g/f gets paid quite a lot to be a Grammar Nazi, for example. :D

ok, great didn't know that, now I'm honoured ;) But I want to point out that there are far worse than me and I'm definitely not the first one in any case ;)

mick

It's slang (I suspect American-only slang) to call people who are unreasonably insistent upon following the rules Nazis. The term was popularized by the Seinfeld epsiode "The Soup Nazi", about a guy who owned the best soup restaurant in New York, but degraded and humiliated his customers.

Usually it's an insult, but as someone who's heavily connected in the publishing industry, I can tell you that the one exception is "Grammar Nazi." That is actually considered a compliment, because people who are "unreasonably" strict about grammar are about the most useful people that you can have on an editing staff. My g/f gets paid quite a lot to be a Grammar Nazi, for example. :D

it's used in italian too

it's used in italian too
Since I used it, and I'm British...

But then I've been exposed to American slang via the wonderful world of the internet :p

this might come as a shock to y'all, but it's used in canada, too

Not in Spain. We have lots of funny insults and compliements, except this. :)

Now, On-Topic:

Well, there's nothing stopping you from running to Delhi except maintenance, the plague, and Barbarians. Don't forget that Persia's capital has an Ivory resource, so you can work that to fend off the barbs and Arabs.

Then again, taking Delhi, building both shrines and spreading the religions would definitely make up for the maintenance costs.

Tht's what I've figured. Another idea is to put your capital where Parsa should be. Capitals don't flip, remeber? So you have Babylon, Parsa, and Delhi. After taking out those pesky Arabs you can ride to Samarkand and to the rest of India, and you'll have a nice Empire to beat Turks and Arabs when they appear. I'll try this on further games. Last one ended sadly, because I was holding off the Persians, but the Plague spread to Yerushalayim, the Arabs spawned and a horde of barbarians came to Artaxata, so I finded enemies everywhere. I picked the Vikings when they spawned, not surprised to see two turns later a message of "The Babilonian Empire has dissapeard". Curiosly, I took a look on the WorldBuilder: It was divided in four between Arabs, barbs, Persians and happily lucky Greeks, that took a barb city, formerly mine (it was on Turkey, can't remember the name).

I'll report you my success or not, whenever I end my current game with Vikings (I'm not going to win, I guess, but destroying the English deserves keep on it!)