As we have 20 cities, we need at least one more governor. This thread should be used to post nominations.

I believe it is possible to be a deputy and a governor, so I nominate Donsig.

I nominate Charis for governor.

I will second the nominations for both Donsig and Charis, although I don't know if we're going to be able to pry Donsig from the Mayoral chair of our Big Apple. A governor must live within his provincial borders, no?

I nominate crabapple for governor.

While there is no rule that says a governor must live in the province he governs I wouldn't feel right running for governor knowing I will remain in Fox Nest. Therefore I decline the nomination for governor - though I do thank you both for the nominations!

BTW - I'm much too busy running the loyal opposition to be a governor, and if eyrei had REALLY wanted me to be a governor he would've chosen to be trade leader.:D :lol:

Thanks dosing for the nomination
:)

Originally posted by donsig

BTW - I'm much too busy running the loyal opposition to be a governor, and if eyrei had REALLY wanted me to be a governor he would've chosen to be trade leader.:D :lol:

Actually, I ran for trade leader for two reasons. Mainly, I was worried that I might lose the election for domestic leader, but also, we hadn't heard from Chieftess in a while so I wanted to make sure someone was running.

PS. Donsig, hopefully we will be on the same page once pop-rushing is a moot point. It will be over soon, and we will have monuments to stand the test of time.

PS. Donsig, hopefully we will be on the same page once pop-rushing is a moot point.

We would be on the same page now if you would renounce pop rushing for the demo game.

It will be over soon, and we will have monuments to stand the test of time.

Sounds like you've already made up your mind to pop rush these libraries.

We would be on the same page now if you would renounce pop rushing for the demo game.

Unfortunately, that is not going to happen. We will be out of despotism soon.



Sounds like you've already made up your mind to pop rush these libraries.

The three libraries that have polls up will be rushed if the popular vote is for it. They will not be rushed if the vote is against it. This is all being done by the book. A couple of others may be rushed the turn before the revolt starts, if the polls on those are also for rushing.

:blush:

Thanks for the nod, Shaitan :P

I think though I'm going to pass on that for now. As I mentioned in the mil term 1 thread close, things just went bonkers for me and it'll be a while before I recover enough to do a good job here.

I do have thoughts on trying to actually 'write' the Heroic Epic someday before we achieve victory, unless some other writer was on that :P

Charis

eyrei after the polls (this quote is from this thread two posts prior to this one:

The three libraries that have polls up will be rushed if the popular vote is for it. They will not be rushed if the vote is against it. This is all being done by the book. A couple of others may be rushed the turn before the revolt starts, if the polls on those are also for

rushing.

eyrei before the polls (from 'Should we revolt in the next couple turns' thread):

If you wish to see something, preferably cultural improvements, rushed in a city, please post a poll about it. The domestic leader will not be bound by these polls,

The second quote is from the first post of the thread here. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21567)

Just a suggestion when quoting others.....

You might want to put a link to the thread that the quote is from. This makes it easier for others to find the original message.

I edited the post with the quotes to add a link to the other thread.,

Originally posted by donsig
eyrei after the polls (this quote is from this thread two posts prior to this one:



eyrei before the polls (from 'Should we revolt in the next couple turns' thread):



The second quote is from the first post of the thread here. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21567)

The implications of this post are no less than slander against or heralded and exalted two-time-running Vice President and Domestic Leader eyrei! I move that they be stricken from the record!

I don't see your point, Donsig. Eyrei was pressed for time and at work so requested feedback from the citizenry to help him analyze the issue. He gave permission for polls to be started by the populace in order to not waste time. He stated that those polls were not binding on his office. This was a wise thing - he had no idea if the polls that resulted from his invitation would be usable, in the correct format or presented fairly. He did not state that they would not be used, only that they didn't have to be used.

You also need to accept that the vast majority of the populace supports rushing these buildings and that it is going to happen. I personally don't like the whip either but it's going to happen. Don't sacrifice your departmental relations by letting one issue get you carried away.

I don't see your point, Donsig.

Is this a democracy or not? Eyrei should not ask for polls if he is worried that they will not be useable.

The point was that eyrei wanted to rush those libraries and was going to press for rushing no what any polls said. To be blunt eyrei was quite willing to use the polls to support what he wanted and just as willing to disregard the polls had they not supported what he wanted. As for last minute polls I seem to recall one about rushing an improvement in Pherris.

As for polls I am a bit concerned about them. The current constitutional debate has resulted in the (I think dangerous) distinction between citizen iniated polls and government initiated polls with the result that citizen initiated polls are deemed to be not binding. IMHO the unuseability of a poll does not depend on who wrote it but on how it is written. Unless we are willing to come up with standards that can be applied uniformly to citizen and government polls alike we must be willing to accept citizen polls on an equal basis with government polls.

You also need to accept that the vast majority of the populace supports rushing these buildings and that it is going to happen. I personally don't like the whip either but it's going to happen. Don't sacrifice your departmental relations by letting one issue get you carried away.

This issue and it's handling have taken much of the fun of the game away for me. As for getting carried away, well, we are Phoenatics, aren't we?:lol:

One last thing here Shaitan. You say you don't like using the whip. Bill_in_PDX has come out against rushing and Cyc has been on record against it since the last minute rush in Pherris. Together you three were half of the term one cabinet. Yet, Cyc was the only one who was really vocal on the rushing issue which made it look as though he was a one man minority and rushing had a 'vast majority' of cabinet support. With so few citizens voting in the polls I for one have no idea what the silent majority thinks.

All good points, Donsig. You are right about this being a Democracy, too. Just because your point of view differs from that of the government elite, doesn't mean you should be muzzled.

As far as your concerns about the polls (a couple of posts back), I tried to address both govt. and citizen polls in two different threads. "The Inquisition" and "The 3 Subforms" but i guess i didn't clarify well enough on the first and it looks like the second will be ignored.

Let me clarify. I am against the whip. In this case I voted for the whip. The analysis posted with the polls (corroborated with a look at the save game) outweighed my normal reticence for losing population. Because I'm generally against whipping I normally don't do such analyses to begin with so in my games there is virtually no whipping.

I do not believe for a minute that Eyrei was trying some subterfuge to push his plans for pop rushing. He stated beforehand that the polls would not be binding. This was a very wise thing. He had no idea what would be posted, how it would be posted, who would post or if the polls would be in a proper format and useable. As it turned out, the polls were exceptionally well done and he chose to follow them. I would have done the exact same thing.

Citizens have never been able to post binding polls, in any revision of the Constitution. Citizens can't post any poll that falls under the jurisdiction of an elected official. In the new Constitution a citizen can force a Council Member to post a poll (if he has nominal support from other citizens). As the Duke of Marlborough explained, before this rule was initiated in the CivII game there were duplicate polls, confusing polls, and massive confusion over what was an official poll and what was not.

Cyc, I'd never try to muzzle anybody. Not only do I respect Donsig's opinion, I generally agree with him. I was trying to put the sprinklers on what appeared to be becoming an inflammatory situation.

There's alot I could say in reply to you Shaitan but since this thread is about nominating a governor perhaps it would be best to continue this discussion in another thread.

Anyway, are we only nominating one governor? How many provinces will we end up with once we officially decide on provincial borders? There is a poll about provincial borders and the winning option has a total of 5 provinces - which means we'll need three governors if the cabinet officially adopts the new borders!

So far donsig, Charis and crabapple have been nominated - though both Charis and I have declined our nominations.

Anymore nominations?

I nominate Immortal

:) Thank you Plexus, I appreciate your confidence in me, unfortunately, I am already in 2 offical positions and 2 unofficial positions, so I must decline your nomination of me :)

Okay.:)

Well i could still use another nomination before i open a ellection poll on this.

We have only one nominee and we will most likely have three new provinces if the council vote on provincial borders is adopted.

Since we allow self-nomination does anyone out there want to be a governor? Note that governors do have power in this game. They will be able to choose what the cities in their province will build.

I'll stand if no one else puts themself forward. I believe I can find enough time to do the job, and it sounds like it should be right up my street. :D

I second Eklektikos's nomination of himself and I also belive that this would be a good position for me to take. So, I nominate myself.
:)

Originally posted by Plexus
I second Eklektikos's nomination of himself and I also belive that this would be a good position for me to take. So, I nominate myself.
:)

Both endorsed and opposed in a single post, now that's what I call style! :lol:

Guess it's only right that I should second Plexus' self-nomination if just for that show of chutzpah alone. :)

We actually need two governors. One new, and one to fill in for an injured SKILORD (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=275177#post275177) for about a month. If you guys want to work it out between the two of you, who gets what, good, otherwsie, we can post a poll.

Originally posted by Duke of Marlbrough
We actually need two governors. One new, and one to fill in for an injured SKILORD (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=275177#post275177) for about a month. If you guys want to work it out between the two of you, who gets what, good, otherwsie, we can post a poll.
We've got three candidates: Crabapple, Plexus and Eklektikos. There are definitely 2 governorships up for grabs, likely 3. I'd propose a poll. Top finisher gets Province 2 (Province 1 is the Capital), Second finisher gets Province 3. Last place gets Province 4 if/when it's ready for a governor.

Originally posted by Shaitan

We've got three candidates: Crabapple, Plexus and Eklektikos. There are definitely 2 governorships up for grabs, likely 3. I'd propose a poll. Top finisher gets Province 2 (Province 1 is the Capital), Second finisher gets Province 3. Last place gets Province 4 if/when it's ready for a governor.

Sounds ok to me, although I guess the decision on which of the two existing provinces should be considered first prize is going to be a bit arbitrary. Not that it should bother me, since as an über-newbie I expect I'm destined for governership of a purely conceptual province. :D

Originally posted by Eklektikos


Sounds ok to me, although I guess the decision on which of the two existing provinces should be considered first prize is going to be a bit arbitrary. Not that it should bother me, since as an über-newbie I expect I'm destined for governership of a purely conceptual province. :D
Clarification: The Province numbers I was referring to are in Cyc's Province Border proposal (currently undergoing acceptance into law).

Clarification: The Province numbers I was referring to are in Cyc's Province Border proposal (currently undergoing acceptance into law).

All this time I thought Grey Fox's proposal beat out Cyc's proposal in a poll. Silly me.

Originally posted by Shaitan

We've got three candidates: Crabapple, Plexus and Eklektikos. There are definitely 2 governorships up for grabs, likely 3. I'd propose a poll. Top finisher gets Province 2 (Province 1 is the Capital), Second finisher gets Province 3. Last place gets Province 4 if/when it's ready for a governor.

Sounds good, Shaitan.

Originally posted by donsig


All this time I thought Grey Fox's proposal beat out Cyc's proposal in a poll. Silly me.
No, Cyc's proposal won 15 to 2. Stop being so silly. :lol:

No, Cyc's proposal won 15 to 2. Stop being so silly.

In the last poll I saw Grey Fox's won 5-4 with a few votes for the other two choices. You must be talking about the run-off poll between the top two choices of the first poll.

So, has the cabinet voted to confirm Cyc's proposals?

Originally posted by donsig
So, has the cabinet voted to confirm Cyc's proposals?
Still waiting for 2 departments and the At-Large councilors. The 4 that did respond have approved the proposal.

The Councilmembers votes are complete, it was an overwhelming support to adopt the suggestions, as such, I approved them.