www.civilizacija.co.nr

Sajt i forum za sve one ljubitelje Civilizacije I, II, III ili IV koji su sa bivse juge, mozemo praviti svoje modove, grafike itd.

New Site and forum for people who are from Ex-Yu region...

Pogledajte sajt i pomozite u podizanju njegovog temelja!

Come see and help it in construction!

:cool: Partizanac :cool:

How can we help in it if it's all in Serbian?

You can't! :p

But people from Ex-Yu region can! this site-forum is meant for us! :)

Ah, ok...

10 characters.

Pozdrav!!!
Naleteo sam na sajt preko rpetrazivaca, a sad vidim da sam mogao i odavde:lol:
Nesto je sajt neaktivan, pretpostavljam da je to zbog toga sto je nov, a i zbog toga sto je CIV IV odavno izasla...
Svejedno, ja jos uvek volim da odigram koju aprtiju CI-a, pa mi je drago kad vidim "zemljake" u akciji:smug:

pa da nov sajt, a kao sto si ti rekao, slucajno si naleteo na njega...
tesko je naci nase zemljake koji igraju Civ, ja licno sam strucan oko trojke, pa mi treba neko ko je strucan oko cetvorke...
Eto ako ima neko voljan nek se javi :)

Well yes a new site, like you said, you accidentally bumped in to him...
Its hard to find our countrymen that play Civ, I my self am an expert on the III, so I need someone who is an expert on the IV version...
So if there is someone willing speak up :)

Well you can always use the google translator.

Slavic languages need more vowels. :faint:

Slavic languages need more vowels. :faint:

True!! I don't know how these guys can pronounce those words! :eek:

But it's true the opposite can be said about Romanian, in which we have sentences like: "Oaia aia a ei o iau eu" ("I will take her sheep"; actually, because of a strange word order, it is more something like "the sheep, the one she owns, I will take it).

BTW, Par and the other guy, please provide an English translation to what you post in this thread, as it's an English forum and you are supposed to not post anything in another language without a translation. :D

We have enough vowels, its just we have letters that most western countries cannot pronounce like lj,nj,dz,dj.
In Serbian unlike English, one letter has only one sound, like our "i" is like spelling the letter "e" in English; our "d" is like English "d" but without the "e" in its spelling; etc. So names like "Bill" would be written just "Bil" in our language, Sam would be Sem, etc.
So I think that Serbian is one of the easiest languages to write. :mischief:

We have enough vowels, its just we have letters that most western countries cannot pronounce like lj,nj,dz,dj.
In Serbian unlike English, one letter has only one sound, like our "i" is like spelling the letter "e" in English; our "d" is like English "d" but without the "e" in its spelling; etc. So names like "Bill" would be written just "Bil" in our language, Sam would be Sem, etc.
So I think that Serbian is one of the easiest languages to write. :mischief:

Being phonetic is not an unique Serbian thing at all, only the fact that English is not doesn't make Serbian the easiest language. And yes, you do have A LOT less vowels than any other language family in the world! (this is a fact, not something I said) The only ones that can get close are the Germanic language, but they have much less consonants and there are lots of exception (English, for example, with a lot of vowels :p).

(English, for example, with a lot of vowels :p).
please explain...

And I said the Serbian is ONE OF the easiest languages to WRITE.

please explain...

And I said the Serbian is ONE OF the easiest languages to WRITE.

Yes, English does have a lot of vowels. For example, the word "vowel" has 3 vowels and 2 consonants, and the last consonant, "l", is weak. ;)

well Serbian has 5 vowels (a,e,i,o,u) and one half-vowel (r)
Like the word Death = Smrt
But lets keep it on-topic ;)

Let's keep it on-topic, but I think you got me wrong. Not that it has more different vowels, but that they are much more used in words! I wasn't implying English has 20 vowels or something like that. :crazyeye: OK end of OT!

Yes, English does have a lot of vowels. For example, the word "vowel" has 3 vowels and 2 consonants, and the last consonant, "l", is weak. ;)
Wrong way round. It has 2 vowels and 3 consonants.

Haaahaaaa!!!! :lol:
In your face Mirc! :p

Wrong way round. It has 2 vowels and 3 consonants.

No. W is a vowel. It just looks as a consonant. Look better. ;)

Haaahaaaa!!!! :lol:
In your face Mirc! :p

in - 1 vowel, 1 consonant (VC)
your - 2 vowels, 1 consonant (VVC), or 3 vowels (VVVC), 1 consonant, or 3 vowels alone (VVV), depending on accent.
face - 2 vowels, 2 consonants (CVVC)
Mirc is a name and not English, so it doesn't count.

All in all, more vowels than consonants. :p

W, as pronounced in English, is clearly a vowel, but it's a common mistake to call it a consonant.

Err, actually no. W is a consonant.

W, as pronounced in English, is clearly a vowel, but it's a common mistake to call it a consonant.

Where does that come from? W is a consonant.

Err, actually no. W is a consonant.

It is not, only very rarely (in English). Read at least the wiki article on it. ;) It comes from "double U", first spelled as "UU". In all the other European languages, what in English is spelled "W" is spelled "U". I hate how so many wrong things are presented as clear in school. For example, in Latin, the "W" sound is spelled "U". In German, "W" is a consonant, because it is read as the English "V", the English "V" being read as the English "F".

But then again, we are not in Europe (Ball and I). We live in Canada and Australia, so you can bet it'd be different here with the English.

But then again, we are not in Europe (Ball and I). We live in Canada and Australia, so you can bet it'd be different here with the English.

Yes, I see, but in English it is a vowel, many times. It is called a semi-vowel or sub-vowel because it works as a vocalic approximation often, when you cannot pronounce it alone. But this is not the case in the word "vowel", and is not the case in the word "word". Also not the case in "when", "where", "which", "with". I think it would be very hard to make a classification of when exactly it is pronounced as a vowel or as a vocalic approximation (considered by the English linguists a consonant).

No, "W", as we are taught in school, is a consonant. "Y" can sometimes be a vowel, though.

It is not, only very rarely (in English). Read at least the wiki article on it. ;) It comes from "double U", first spelled as "UU". In all the other European languages, what in English is spelled "W" is spelled "U". I hate how so many wrong things are presented as clear in school. For example, in Latin, the "W" sound is spelled "U". In German, "W" is a consonant, because it is read as the English "V", the English "V" being read as the English "F".

Wikipedia pwns j00:

The voiced labiovelar (actually labialized velar) approximant is a type of consonantal sound, used in certain spoken languages, including English. The symbol in the International Phonetic Alphabet that represents this sound is w, and the equivalent X-SAMPA symbol is w.

Wikipedia pwns j00:

Wikipedia:
As an English-language vowel

In addition to a handful of Welsh loanwords -- cwm and crwth being the most notable -- an argument has been made that in words such as "low" or "bow", the W is acting as a vowel. The ultimate sound of both words, and, indeed, several others, is the dipthong /ou/, formed by an elision of two vowels. The second of the two vowels in each case is represented by the W.

No, "W", as we are taught in school, is a consonant. "Y" can sometimes be a vowel, though.

Both are semivowels, or subvowels. As for Y, I don't see how it could be a consonant, but I'll go with the general linguist consensus. :dunno:

Here's a post from Englishforum.com:

Title: W is a vowel

I was recently thinking to myself, though I cant remember why, about the letter 'w' and its sound both alone and in conjunstion with other letters. It was then that I came to the conclusion that w is infact a vowel, or at least a semi-vowel or sub-vowel (and I do notmean in refference to the word 'cwm'). A vowel is defined as any sound produed with an open vocal tract, and when pronouncing lower case 'w' I could concience of no other sound being created than a "oo-uh" A combination of two vowels.

I then moved on to thinking about words containing 'w':

Why - oo-ie

When - oo-eh-n

well- oo-e-ll

(the oo as created by a 'w' is a fast sound and is not held as would be expected by looking at the phoenetic words.)

Hence I concluded that 'w' is not infact a conssonant but is a vowel along with AEIO and U. I have similar thought on the letter 'y'.

Tell me what you think

Chris Ovenden

And could we please stop the off-topic discussion? :) I just made a remark.