If you got to choose to be any nation at anytime in world history, which would you be?
If u ask me I would be leader of the USSR durin 1952 after the death of Stalin
Why?: Because the leaders after Stalin was weak and they did not bring USSR up one level, they only destroyed USSR one piece at a time....

China during the Ming dynasty. This way there would be no isolationism and China would be a superpower today.

Id take the role of the USSR after comrade Lenin... Even if I gotta kill that bastard Joseph...

Lenin tried his best, I'd continue the path to communism but with diffrent methods.

France, July 1934. Declare war on Germany with the Stressa Front.

Spain 1492 - an age of colonialism and conquest. A whole world for me and my kingdom to discover and exploit.

Władysław Jagiełło, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, 1410.

Germany 1932. Make order to find Hitler and expel him to New Zealand.

New Zealand, 1932. Deport Hitler back to Austria.

Germany, 1939. Leave military strategy to my generals, and not start any wars with Uncle Joe. Best of all, I don't have a retarded looking mustache. That alone makes me infinitely better than Hitler ever could be.

Athens , Sicilian campaign around 500 BC. Select Alcibiades as my grant General. I will pay or blackmail the aristocrasy to support us. I will make plans for a grant invasion of Sparta and Persia. I will also support the creation of new colonies . Word domination is at hand.

Rome 106 AD, Spain 1500 AD, Byzantium 550 AD.

Sweden, 2103 the fifth of march. The day after I had died. :lol:

Sweden, 2103 the fifth of march. The day after I had died. :lol:

Id expect you would try and take Charles place in The Great Northern War and try to kick my countries ass. You Swedish Bastard!!! I'll meet you on the Feild of Battle.

America 1972. I'd finish off Vietnam and redirect America's anger at me instead of Nixon.

New Zealand, 1932. Deport Hitler back to Austria.
Austria, 1932, Shoot the bastard.

It's funny how all of these answers involve some failed military venture that we think we could right.

I'd go all the way back to 2003, and hold my cards until 2007, when Ahmadinejad would start writing checks Iran can't cash.

Would we know the future until now or not?

Austria 1932. Catch Hitler and brainwash the bastard so he's no longer one.

America 1972. I'd finish off Vietnam and redirect America's anger at me instead of Nixon.
Part of my family lives in Vietnam, RACIST!!!, so I guess Ill just nuke America and get it over wit

Invest heavily in technology during the '80's and '90's and sell everything in the last week of December 1999.

or

Become investing partners with Warren Buffet in the '60's.

Macedonia in June, 323 BCE. My generals would be loyal to me, right? ;)

I noticed that no one chose Napoleon durin the 1800s, If I was him, I would capture spain, britain, italy, austria-hungary, prussia, and possibly the ottomans (Not Russia, the cold winds will destroy my troops, Napoleon shoulda realized dat)

PS: hehehe, I wonder if I can do dis twice =]

You'd capture Britain, would you. And how would you do all that when Napoleon failed? And why?

Change the American revolt. Britian FWD (For world Domination ;))

I noticed that no one chose Napoleon durin the 1800s, If I was him, I would capture spain, britain, italy, austria-hungary, prussia, and possibly the ottomans (Not Russia, the cold winds will destroy my troops, Napoleon shoulda realized dat)


Actually Spain was the beginning of the end for Napoleon (he admitted it himself). It wasn't the russian winter that defeated his imperial project, but the very ideology that first gave him his armies - nationalism.
Despite the way he rose, Napoleon's plan was still conceived according to the old european order, pre-french revolution. His attempt to create an empire encompassing all of Europe was doomed to failure because of the ideas his advancing armies spread: conservatives opposed him because they believed he represented liberalism. Liberals opposed him because they wanted the freedom promised by liberalism and eventually would see him as a foreign oppressor.

About the question... Assuming I knew what would come, I would take Portugal 1481, get the iberian union right, make sure Columbus never returned to Spain (gaining some time), and start settling North America instead of spending resources going for Asia or in the jungles of South America. Of course, no one then could guess the coal and iron of North America would, centuries later, become more valuable that the spices of Asia...

Assuming I would have no knowledge of the future, Spain 1587 (Phillip II was such an incompetent!). Appoint a competent admiral for a fleet to get the largest possible army into England and thoroughly destroy it! Recruit as many mercenaries as possible, take and burn the main ports in England, defeat organized resistance and then withdraw the main army and abandon the mercenaries on the island. :devil:

About the question... Assuming I knew what would come, I would take Portugal 1481, get the iberian union right, make sure Columbus never returned to Spain (gaining some time), and start settling North America instead of spending resources going for Asia or in the jungles of South America. Of course, no one then could guess the coal and iron of North America would, centuries later, become more valuable that the spices of Asia...

Or heaven forbid the masses of Gold in South america, which you could actually use at the present time and become powerfull instead of being trounced by say France.

Or even worse to your plans, England Colonises South America, and in a series of silver/gold funded wars snaps up the rest of the colonies due to its postion as an Island.

Seriously, go for gold ;)

Great Britain, 1760, stop the revolution and cancel all the bloody taxes

Great Britain, 1760, stop the revolution and cancel all the bloody taxes

I'm unsure on that, stopping the taxes just means the colonists know what power they have, it might be best to just deceisly defeat them, and offer them represenatation and tax them anyway.

that might lead to a federalised Great British Empire.

I would probably write an elaborate will and post-mortem plan during the Macedonian campaigns under Alexander the Great - ya know, just in case.

Spain 1935. I would prevent the assassination attempt and civil war by uniting the anarchists and the communists under anarcho-communism. After that, I wouldn't really have any political power, but I'd still have influence, and I would use that to convince people to either start their own revolutions and merge with Spain as a transnational entity, or to simply move to areas which are already a part of said transnational entity. When (if) WWII rolls around, we do things the easy way: one guy with a fake ID, a sniper rifle, and a cyanide pill.

Rome, after Trajan.
Macedonia, at Alexanders death: THE EMPIRE WOULD BE MINE. No one elses. Idk how. But it is, so no arguing. Shut up Ptolemy. You can be governor somewhere. Then I'd go on and counquer more. woot.
Aztecs, some years before 1492
Napoleon-no invasion of Russia. for a while anyway.
Germany, 1940- no invasion of Russian. for a while anyway.
Germany 1916- invent tank earlier. in fact, screw everything else, I hereby invented a tank in everyone of the previous eras. Watch out Cortes.

or even better. I AM KING TYRANNOSAURUS REX (yes its redundant) FEAR ME! MY EMPIRE STRECTHES ALL ACROSS THE PARTIAL PANGEA THAT IS EARTH, AND I RULE ALL SAURIAN KIND. and such.

Egypt about 2000 BC. Absolute power, no real enemies to speak of, my people worship me and build monuments in my honor. Sure, I have to marry my sister, but nothing's perfect.

You'd capture Britain, would you. And how would you do all that when Napoleon failed? And why?

Actually, I wouldnt invest in offensive navies, only defensive ones, and conquer as many on lands as possible, create a pact with Russia, and then build up navies, and then go to countries with water between France and the other nations

PS: Nice Arguement u made there inom..- well the guy with a bear for a avatar

EDIT: Ooo and I 4got to say I would create peace with Britain and possibly Spain...until I have command of Italy, Prussia, Austrai-Hungary, and Possibly the Ottomans

You'd capture Britain, would you. And how would you do all that when Napoleon failed? And why?

Actually, I wouldnt invest in offensive navies, only defensive ones, and conquer as many on lands as possible, create a pact with Russia, and then build up navies, and then go to countries with water between France and the other nations

PS: Nice Arguement u made there inom..- well the guy with a bear for a avatar

EDIT: Ooo and I 4got to say I would create peace with Britain and possibly Spain...until I have command of Italy, Prussia, Austrai-Hungary, and Possibly the Ottomans

Suppose Russia, Britain and Spain don't agree to your "created" pact?

Suppose the Italians, Prussians, Austro-Hungarians, and Ottomans don't particularly like the idea of being ruled by you?

Suppose Russia, Britain and Spain don't agree to your "created" pact?

Suppose the Italians, Prussians, Austro-Hungarians, and Ottomans don't particularly like the idea of being ruled by you?

Its called diplomacy, I give them all something they like
and Italy/Prussia/Austria-Hungary I sha'll draft people into military police until rebellions are down, and with propaganda to young children and adults, they will eventually, in time, fall down to me

In the age of ships of the line there was no significance differece between an offensive and a deensive navy. New ships couldnt just be bought, the wood needed to dry out and season for years, green wood gave bad ships hence the term "green" to refer to someone without experiece. The crew needed to be drilled and toughened up too, untill they and the ship were seasoned and no longer green.

A "defensive" navy would be one cowering in its port with an inexperienced crew going awol at any opportunity.

In the age of ships of the line there was no significance differece between an offensive and a deensive navy. New ships couldnt just be bought, the wood needed to dry out and season for years, green wood gave bad ships hence the term "green" to refer to someone without experiece. The crew needed to be drilled and toughened up too, untill they and the ship were seasoned and no longer green.

A "defensive" navy would be one cowering in its port with an inexperienced crew going awol at any opportunity.

I would buy wood from my diplomatic allies, and by Defensive navy, I meant by makin em patrol my seas

by Defensive navy, I meant by makin em patrol my seas

Yet the RN were all over the home seas cruising for a fight - lit. Given the ports were all blockaded, and the fleets and crews rotting at anchor with the RN pickets on the horizon - how would you train your crews? How would you mass your fleet? How would you know where the body of the RN fleet was? How would you transport the wood and cannons for construction?

How, in short, would you avoid doing everything that led upto Trafalgar?

Der Heilige Romanische Reich des Deutschen Nation.(that's Holy Roman Empire) Unify Europe, pull it out of the Dark Ages, Thwart the barbarian and Muslim invaders, protect the faith and actually set up a line of succession that wouldn't collapse so as to keep Europe out the Dark ages -- sounds like a challenge.

Der Heilige Romanische Reich des Deutschen Nation.(that's Holy Roman Empire) Unify Europe, pull it out of the Dark Ages, Thwart the barbarian and Muslim invaders, protect the faith and actually set up a line of succession that wouldn't collapse so as to keep Europe out the Dark ages -- sounds like a challenge.
It would, but lets say u was the Romans, then u would need to have better formations and strategies so the Barbarians couldnt tharwt them
And Also, I think the Holy Roman Empire was a little too late in time to get out of the Dark Ages, for that all the knowledge the Romans knew was kept in books, and the Barbarians burned them all (except for the ones bout Religon) so your civilization would have to re-learn all dat ****
Yet the RN were all over the home seas cruising for a fight - lit. Given the ports were all blockaded, and the fleets and crews rotting at anchor with the RN pickets on the horizon - how would you train your crews? How would you mass your fleet? How would you know where the body of the RN fleet was? How would you transport the wood and cannons for construction?

How, in short, would you avoid doing everything that led upto Trafalgar?
Lets say I dont get in a war with Spain, they supply me with things, while I re-pay them with many other things, such as Currency, and I will hire mercenaries here and there to help me fight the "RN" and I wouldnt mass up on ships, but I will still teach them how to fight properly

It would, but lets say u was the Romans, then u would need to have better formations and strategies so the Barbarians couldnt tharwt them
And Also, I think the Holy Roman Empire was a little too late in time to get out of the Dark Ages, for that all the knowledge the Romans knew was kept in books, and the Barbarians burned them all (except for the ones bout Religon) so your civilization would have to re-learn all dat ****
Um, no? "The barbarians" didn't burn anything, the problem was that it was all in old Latin and Greek. But Charlemagne updated these and copied them, so as Holy Roman Emperor you would have just the things you're talking about at your disposal.

But then, as far as "re learning" thing, it took Europe 1500 years to return to the Roman level of technology, what makes you think you could do it in four hundred?


Lets say I dont get in a war with Spain, they supply me with things, while I re-pay them with many other things, such as Currency, and I will hire mercenaries here and there to help me fight the "RN" and I wouldnt mass up on ships, but I will still teach them how to fight properly

:rotfl: You know this isn't Civilization we're talking about, this is real life. Diplomacy doesn't consist of "giving people what they want."

And Also, I think the Holy Roman Empire was a little too late in time to get out of the Dark Ages, for that all the knowledge the Romans knew was kept in books, and the Barbarians burned them all (except for the ones bout Religon) so your civilization would have to re-learn all dat ****

Absolutely every assertion here is plain false.

Byzantine Empire, 1071. The Battle of Manzikert shall be a decisive victory instead of an utterly decisive defeat!

Lets say I dont get in a war with Spain, they supply me with things, while I re-pay them with many other things, such as Currency, and I will hire mercenaries here and there to help me fight the "RN" and I wouldnt mass up on ships, but I will still teach them how to fight properly

Are you aware that at Trafalgar Nelson sunk the combined French and Spanish fleets?

The nature of naval war at the time meant that main engagements were dominated by Ships of the Line. Smaller ships simply couldn't take the kind of punishment to survive in the line of battle, and nor could their lighter guns penitrate the 2 foot of seasoned oak in the hull of a Ship of the Line at anything less than point-blank range which they would be very unlikly to reach. Mercinaries didnt have Ships of the Line, in just the same way they dont have Battleships or Carriers today.

You know this isn't Civilization we're talking about, this is real life. Diplomacy doesn't consist of "giving people what they want."
well, what about negotiation?

Troy, 1000 BC (about, I think). I would refuse to let the horse in and hope that I did not end up like Laocoan.

Catch the Horse on Fire lol

September 10, 2001: Warn Bush of 9/11, see if he actually listens, watch his approval ratings drop if he does, get him voted out of office in 2004. :p

3000 BC: Kill settlers of Rome, ruin the West

Der Heilige Romanische Reich des Deutschen Nation.(that's Holy Roman Empire) Unify Europe, pull it out of the Dark Ages, Thwart the barbarian and Muslim invaders, protect the faith and actually set up a line of succession that wouldn't collapse so as to keep Europe out the Dark ages -- sounds like a challenge.

Charlemagne had almost everything you mention under control... except the line of succession.

I would come after Charlemagne and take the Kingdom of the Franks instead of his successors, before the HRE shrank to just des Deutchen Nation. That way I could co-opt his successors, who did break the line of succession, sort of. Well, they were trying to kill eachother and split the kingdom onto three parts, France, German lands of the HRE, and Lombardy.

Charlemagne had almost everything you mention under control... except the line of succession.

I would come after Charlemagne and take the Kingdom of the Franks instead of his successors, before the HRE shrank to just des Deutchen Nation. That way I could co-opt his successors, who did break the line of succession, sort of. Well, they were trying to kill eachother and split the kingdom onto three parts, France, German lands of the HRE, and Lombardy.

I didn't say he did it wrong -- I just like the idea of uplifting a society.

After the successful sicelian campaign and the defeat of Sparta we would concentrate of fighting our great enemy , Persia. We will conquer all other city states one by one and then fight against Persians. After victory if i die there won't be several successors but one ruler who will be the one who is elected by Athenian democracy. We will try to Hellenize all Nations so that religions/national identities (that could cause problems) like Christianity or nationalism will never be born or be sufficiently weakened. To be certain my instructions are followed i will write a book named the Art of Athenian Hegemony that will show those instructions. OR

Alternatively i will follow similar strategies before Alexander's death but their is the successor problem.

September 10, 2001: Warn Bush of 9/11, see if he actually listens, watch his approval ratings drop if he does, get him voted out of office in 2004.
Like the video I watched, what happens if 9/11 was a inside job created by Bush so he could invade the middle east?
I also read about a guy wit ESP that warned the Pentagon bout dis **** and the pentagon gettin a airplane stuck up its ass, but anyways, they didnt listen to the dude =/

September 10, 2001: Warn Bush of 9/11, see if he actually listens, watch his approval ratings drop if he does, get him voted out of office in 2004.
Like the video I watched, what happens if 9/11 was a inside job created by Bush so he could invade the middle east?
I also read about a guy wit ESP that warned the Pentagon bout dis **** and the pentagon gettin a airplane stuck up its ass, but anyways, they didnt listen to the dude =/


I wouldn't listen to a guy who said he has ESP either.

Id stop the Ottoman decline and conquer Austria! Make Alliance with Russia, capture all of Africa and kick Persia's ass.

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Japan, June 1941. Send the Carriers to Vladivostok.

America 1945 after defeat of Japan take the entire world with nukes.

America 1945 after defeat of Japan take the entire world with nukes.

That would never work... Allow me to explain why:

To drop a nuke, you must have control of the air, and if you wanna take the world then your gonna have alot of planes to take out:

-The British
-The Soviets
-The French
-The Germans
-The Remnants of Japan (if they decide to rejoin)

Probably several others too. And if America wanted a huge Aerial War, they would need oil, and Im sure a mixed Russian-British attack could cut you off from the Middle East.

Though, my opinion doesn't equal to much. But I believe to rule the world with nukes is an impossibility... You'll probably just blow the whole world to heck.

America 1945 after defeat of Japan take the entire world with nukes.

The biggest problem with that plan is we really didn't have any more.

hm, russia just after catherine the great, could make some reforms to get the economy going and emancipate the serfa a bit later, and viil,a everything would go well ^^ also I would exploit the caravan ruote to china more, focus less on india ( russia just wasn't going to be able to get it)

3000 BC: Kill settlers of Rome, ruin the West

so funny ten

The biggest problem with that plan is we really didn't have any more.

Fine take the entire world starting with the soviet union. Then move on china and other commis, and remainnig facists. ALl while building more nukes.

That would never work... Allow me to explain why:

To drop a nuke, you must have control of the air, and if you wanna take the world then your gonna have alot of planes to take out:

-The British
-The Soviets
-The French
-The Germans
-The Remnants of Japan (if they decide to rejoin)

Probably several others too. And if America wanted a huge Aerial War, they would need oil, and Im sure a mixed Russian-British attack could cut you off from the Middle East.


No, all of those were under control, except the soviets. And the US had plenty of oil then. They didn't try to take over the world militarily because the american population would not want to do so then, 6 years of war were more than enough.

New York City 1899.

Probably several others too. And if America wanted a huge Aerial War, they would need oil, and Im sure a mixed Russian-British attack could cut you off from the Middle East.
Small point here, at this point the U.S. didn't get its oil from the middle east. We were one of the largest oil exporters in the world.

Na, all of those were under control, except the soviets. And the US had plenty of oil then. They didn't try to take over the world militarily because the american population would not want to do so then, 6 years of war were more tham enough.
It still wouldn't have worked because the Red Army would have completely wrecked the American forces in Europe, Especially if you had the British on their side.

I clearly said keep britian under my wing.

Small point here, at this point the U.S. didn't get its oil from the middle east. We were one of the largest oil exporters in the world.
Damn Houston...

To go back to the original question in the thread...I would have to be the successor to Basil II Boulgaroktonos. After him, the Empire just went down the tubes, culminating in that horrible evening at Manzikert. Zoe and her various husbands gave us the loss of southern Italy, the Great Schism, the slow degeneration of the new eastern themai, and economic troubles up the wazoo.

Instead, I\'d definitely go after the Levant. Armenian gold is fine and all, but since the time of Theofilos, we really didn\'t need any. Instead, we ought to recapture Jerusalem and finally get those religious wars done right, dammit! ;)

Another fantastic time would by the same nation in 628, right after the Battle of Nineveh. Instead of Herakleios having dropsy, it\'d be me! Wheeee. :lol:

Józef Klemens Piłsudski, who defeated the Red Army at the Battle of Warsaw and likely saved Europe from the Bolsheviks.

Go back in time and assasinate Jozef Klemens Pilsudski =]

Small point here, at this point the U.S. didn't get its oil from the middle east. We were one of the largest oil exporters in the world.

The US has never "needed" Arabian oil. Only about 10% comes from the Middle East, the vast majority comes from either Canada, Mexico, or is pumped ourselves.

The New World, ~10000 BCE. I would infect every animal I could find with cowpox and hope it spreads to humans. So when the Europeans show up, 90% of the population won't die of smallpox (theoretically). European technology will still mean they are more or less subjugated, but at least they will be able to preserve a lot of their culture.

I would also find a way to preserve the mammoth population.

The New World, ~10000 BCE. I would infect every animal I could find with cowpox and hope it spreads to humans. So when the Europeans show up, 90% of the population won't die of smallpox (theoretically). European technology will still mean they are more or less subjugated, but at least they will be able to preserve a lot of their culture.

I would also find a way to preserve the mammoth population.

A change, that early in history, will probably make Europe inhabited by a combination between today's Malaysians and Ethiopians.... ;)

Meh, serves them right.

A change, that early in history, will probably make Europe inhabited by a combination between today's Malaysians and Ethiopians....
No Laotions????

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A change, that early in history, will probably make Europe inhabited by a combination between today's Malaysians and Ethiopians.... ;)There're are Malay Malaysians, Chinese Malaysians, Indian Malaysians, indigenous Borneo tribal Malaysians...

Which particular segment are you referring to? :p

There're are Malay Malaysians, Chinese Malaysians, Indian Malaysians, indigenous Borneo tribal Malaysians...

Which particular segment are you referring to? :p

Well, probably a crossbreed consisting of 50% Chinese Malaysians, 25% Indian Malaysians and 25% indigenous Borneo tribal Malaysians. :D

1990 - Invest in Dr.Dre's and 2pac's Rap Business =D

Forward 50 years right here in Minneapolis.

Józef Klemens Piłsudski, who defeated the Red Army at the Battle of Warsaw and likely saved Europe from the Bolsheviks.

Go back in time and assasinate Jozef Klemens Pilsudski =]
Go back and assassinate Lenin, Stalin, and perhaps Khrushchev. Save the world a whole helluva lotta hassle.

Perhaps go back to 1939 (as maybe the US or England), form an alliance with Hitler, and invade the Soviet Union. Then take our best sniper, and take out Hitler after the USSR is done.

Go back and assassinate Lenin, Stalin, and perhaps Khrushchev. Save the world a whole helluva lotta hassle.
Why not just assassinate Stalin? Lenin followed by Trotsky would have been OK.

Why not just assassinate Stalin? Lenin followed by Trotsky would have been OK.

Or we could just go to Marx and Engels themselves, and nip this problem in the bud.

You do realize that , because of some of these changes, we would never have been born, right?

Go back and assassinate Lenin, Stalin, and perhaps Khrushchev. Save the world a whole helluva lotta hassle.

Perhaps go back to 1939 (as maybe the US or England), form an alliance with Hitler, and invade the Soviet Union. Then take our best sniper, and take out Hitler after the USSR is done.
Hahaha, by then he would be too powerful, u destroyed one enemy to create another =/
You do realize that , because of some of these changes, we would never have been born, right?
Which post u refering to?

Perhaps go back to 1939 (as maybe the US or England), form an alliance with Hitler, and invade the Soviet Union. Then take our best sniper, and take out Hitler after the USSR is done.[/I]
Hahaha, by then he would be too powerful, u destroyed one enemy to create another =/


Similar to allying with the Soviet Union to destroy Nazi Germany, at the expense of allowing them to gain superpower status and begin the Cold War?

Anyways, I don't really know where I would choose to go. Possibly something like Ancient Rome or Victoran Britain, just to take a peek. If money wasn't going to be an issue, then probably around 1900-1939, so to experience the golden age of ocean liners :)

And the fantastic fashions

Similar to allying with the Soviet Union to destroy Nazi Germany, at the expense of allowing them to gain superpower status and begin the Cold War?
So u aint really got a choice here, either nazis or commies, which one will u choose? Superpower Nazis or Superpower Commies?

What would u do when Soviet Russia finally released the T-34s and started pounding the nazis, and set their eyes on the US/Britain when they are done, well the US only got light tanks called "Shermans" so I guess ur pretty much screwed, even with the rise of Mao and Alot of other Communist Dictators...

Or we could just go to Marx and Engels themselves, and nip this problem in the bud.

No.... the ideologies of both Marx and Engels had very, very little impact on communism and nazism. Blaming those for this is extremely.... well, not right at all.

What would u do when Soviet Russia finally released the T-34s and started pounding the nazis, and set their eyes on the US/Britain when they are done, well the US only got light tanks called "Shermans" so I guess ur pretty much screwed, even with the rise of Mao and Alot of other Communist Dictators...
The real allied tankbusters were found in the airforce anyway. You won't operate tanks against the allies for long unless you first manage to pull off air-superiority.

What would u do when Soviet Russia finally released the T-34s and started pounding the nazis, and set their eyes on the US/Britain when they are done, well the US only got light tanks called "Shermans" so I guess ur pretty much screwed, even with the rise of Mao and Alot of other Communist Dictators...
You sir, fail history. Shermans were a medium tank and sporting an 875mm cannon by this point, enough to deal with a T-34. If you want to make a distinction because we didn't have heavy tanks, then I think a Koningtiger would make a much greater difference.
Second of all, we did have heavy tanks, in the form on the M26 Pershing.
Third, any war with the Soviet Union would be a stale mate, because there was absolutely no hope of the Soviets ever contesting U.S. control of the Sea or Skies, and the Soviet Union would never be able to keep a war economy running as long as the U.S., especially under a strategic bombing campaign.

You sir, fail history. Shermans were a medium tank and sporting an 875mm cannon by this point, enough to deal with a T-34. If you want to make a distinction because we didn't have heavy tanks, then I think a Koningtiger would make a much greater difference.
Second of all, we did have heavy tanks, in the form on the M26 Pershing.
Third, any war with the Soviet Union would be a stale mate, because there was absolutely no hope of the Soviets ever contesting U.S. control of the Sea or Skies, and the Soviet Union would never be able to keep a war economy running as long as the U.S., especially under a strategic bombing campaign.
Alas, but didnt we use the Pershing later during World War 2 when it was kinda late?
But, if Soviets did fall during World War 2, then Superpower Nazis, then they would have Ideology all over the world, Imagine...Cuba, Asia, Possibly middle east, Europe, And since the Nazis at the Brink of the Nuclear Era, well, if we got into a war wit em after, we would be f-ed, and who really want Nazis to be a superpower? (srry if I offend u, im just trying to get more people to my point of view)

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Alas, but didnt we use the Pershing later during World War 2 when it was kinda late?
But, if Soviets did fall during World War 2, then Superpower Nazis, then they would have Ideology all over the world, Imagine...Cuba, Asia, Possibly middle east, Europe, And since the Nazis at the Brink of the Nuclear Era, well, if we got into a war wit em after, we would be f-ed, and who really want Nazis to be a superpower? (srry if I offend u, im just trying to get more people to my point of view)

First of all, find the quote button and learn how to use it.

Second, Cuba was communist, not fascist, so why would Nazi Germany control Cuba? And who says someone couldn't stop the Germans, like, for instance, the United States?

No.... the ideologies of both Marx and Engels had very, very little impact on communism and nazism. Blaming those for this is extremely.... well, not right at all.
Indeed, and the ideologies of Trotsky and Lenin had very little in common with the monstrosity that the USSR became. That was all to do with Stalin.

Canada 1814

get the british forces to hold all land gained from the americans

Third, any war with the Soviet Union would be a stale mate, because there was absolutely no hope of the Soviets ever contesting U.S. control of the Sea or Skies, and the Soviet Union would never be able to keep a war economy running as long as the U.S., especially under a strategic bombing campaign.

The US airforce and RAF couldn't knock the German war economy out, how were the going to do it to the Soviets? I don't know where the western allies would be basing thier airforces for the war with the USSR but I don't know if any fighter would have the range to fly to the Urals and back.

First of all, find the quote button and learn how to use it.

Second, Cuba was communist, not fascist, so why would Nazi Germany control Cuba? And who says someone couldn't stop the Germans, like, for instance, the United States?

Well lets say US hired a dictator to control Cuba so it would be against Nazis, then a revolution against Dictatorship Cuba then another Fascist state, or maybe, it would have a revolt and somehow become Communist (like it did in real history)

The US airforce and RAF couldn't knock the German war economy out, how were the going to do it to the Soviets? I don't know where the western allies would be basing thier airforces for the war with the USSR but I don't know if any fighter would have the range to fly to the Urals and back.
Because, there would litterally be no way for either side to end the war, assuming the Soviets managed to drive their way through Europe. There is simply no way. If the Soviets had continued there naval production rate at that time for one hundred years, it could not match what America produced in one. Eventually, someones war economy will collapse, for the simple reason that its impossible to sustain a war economy forever, and someone will have to sue for peace. That side will most likely be the ones with most of its major cities burning.

But, if Soviets did fall during World War 2, then Superpower Nazis, then they would have Ideology all over the world, Imagine...Cuba, Asia, Possibly middle east,
Yes, Imagine Cubans, Asians, and Middle Easterners adopting the ideology of their own inherent inferiority and the superiority of blonde, blue eyed germanic people.

Well lets say US hired a dictator to control Cuba so it would be against Nazis, then a revolution against Dictatorship Cuba then another Fascist state, or maybe, it would have a revolt and somehow become Communist (like it did in real history)

What if the Soviet Union never existed?
What is Poland beat Germany in World War II?
What if the Democratic Republic of Congo became communist?

(If you don't get the point by now, I'm showing that your what-if scenarios mean absolutely nothing in a history forum, especially when you try to reason a what-if with another what-if, because it's highly unlikely.

No.... the ideologies of both Marx and Engels had very, very little impact on communism and nazism. Blaming those for this is extremely.... well, not right at all.

Marx and Engels came up with the idea of communism. If other people down the line corrupted their idea, then that's different, but if the idea was never in their heads in the first place, then they can't corrupt it into the Communism we know today.

That could have made for a more interesting alternative history. If marxist communism hadn't prevailed in the First International, then it would have followed Bakunin's anarchism... :D

lets say US hired a dictator to control Cuba so it would be against Nazis

I like this idea. Where can I hire a dictator? Is there some kind of website where aspiring dictators advertise their services, or does it have to be by word of mouth?

Marx and Engels came up with the idea of communism. If other people down the line corrupted their idea, then that's different, but if the idea was never in their heads in the first place, then they can't corrupt it into the Communism we know today.

That's like saying it would be a good idea to go back in time and kill Jesus in order to stop the Crusades happening.

Marx and Engels came up with the idea of communism. If other people down the line corrupted their idea, then that's different, but if the idea was never in their heads in the first place, then they can't corrupt it into the Communism we know today.

Well, Marx said "this is an hypothetical society, and no country in the world is ready to implement it, until the sum of the needs of each person is lower than the sum of resources existing".

And the case in Russia was opposite. Plus, all the communists in Eurasia had absolutely no wish ever to make a communist society. They formed a super-rich super-powerful extremely small group of people, containing themselves, while the rest of the citizens were almost the poorest people in the world. Almost being there just as a precaution. ;)

The ideas of Marx and Engels were just a pretext for Russia's expansionist desires. They could have been using Socrate's ideas as well.

I like this idea. Where can I hire a dictator? Is there some kind of website where aspiring dictators advertise their services, or does it have to be by word of mouth?
Either way, I'm up for this service. I would have had to get a job at the beach this summer, but Dictator sounds better, I just need like $8 an hour.

I like this idea. Where can I hire a dictator? Is there some kind of website where aspiring dictators advertise their services, or does it have to be by word of mouth?
Its pretty easy, u just select a special person and then get a Army to back him up

You seem to think that it's easy to "get" anyone to do anything. You talk glibly about "getting" an army to support a dictator, "getting" a country to support you by giving them whatever they want - the real world doesn't work like this.

You seem to think that it's easy to "get" anyone to do anything. You talk glibly about "getting" an army to support a dictator, "getting" a country to support you by giving them whatever they want - the real world doesn't work like this.
Indeed. I seem to recall, from history, that often when a commander "gets" the support of his troops to go political, he is from then on very often a hostage to them.

It's nice to have the support of the Preatorians, but you won't adopt any policies they might dislike. Eventually they might just kill you anyway, and sell the the title of Emperor to the highest bidder. That was how Didius Julianus became Emperor of Rome in 193 AD.:crazyeye:

Someone like Napoleon is one of the great exceptions to this, which is a large part why he was in fact great.:goodjob:

It's nice to have the support of the Preatorians, but you won't adopt any policies they might dislike. Eventually they might just kill you anyway, and sell the the title of Emperor to the highest bidder. That was how Didius Julianus became Emperor of Rome in 193 AD.:crazyeye:

It's nice to have the support of the Oil companies, but you won't adopt any policies they might dislike. Eventually they might just stop supporting you anyway, and sell the the title of President to the highest bidder. That was how George W Bush became President of America in 2001 AD.:crazyeye:

Strange how the more things change the more they stay the same. :mischief:

Mongol Empire under Dschingis Khan

or if I'm allowed to have my knowledge about recent technology I'd choose the Roman Empire after the last Punian war.

You seem to think that it's easy to "get" anyone to do anything. You talk glibly about "getting" an army to support a dictator, "getting" a country to support you by giving them whatever they want - the real world doesn't work like this.

Well if uve seen the Terrorstorm Deluxe by Alex Jones (PM me if u want link) u will learn that sometime countries use "false Flags" to do certain things, like they can cause terrorism in a country and then blame on political powers, eventually wit enuf of these operations, the people will rebel and then the political power will fall, Anarchy will come and the special person better be good at charisma so he can convince a majority of the population to get him to become a leader, but, the Country doin the False Flag operations have to make sure its the rite person or else they will get alot of crap on their hands =P

Well if uve seen the Terrorstorm Deluxe by Alex Jones (PM me if u want link) u will learn that sometime countries use "false Flags" to do certain things, like they can cause terrorism in a country and then blame on political powers, eventually wit enuf of these operations, the people will rebel and then the political power will fall, Anarchy will come and the special person better be good at charisma so he can convince a majority of the population to get him to become a leader, but, the Country doin the False Flag operations have to make sure its the rite person or else they will get alot of crap on their hands =P
I think Plot knows a slight bit more than you about history and politics, you'll do well around here not to talk down to him.

Thank you Cheezy. I think this had gone beyond parody really, but I'd be interested for any real-life examples of the strategy mentioned actually bringing down a regime in such a way.

I'd be interested for any real-life examples of the strategy mentioned actually bringing down a regime in such a way.
Well lets see if I still got the video link...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230&q=terrorstorm+deluxe
Its Bout 2 hours long, but if u wanna kno about "false Flags" Scenarios, u just watch the begining :P

I'd be interested for any real-life examples of the strategy mentioned actually bringing down a regime in such a way.
Well lets see if I still got the video link...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230&q=terrorstorm+deluxe
Its Bout 2 hours long, but if u wanna kno about "false Flags" Scenarios, u just watch the begining :P

Strictly out of morbid curiosity, I clicked on that link and watched the beginnings of that video. Everything after the first third of that thing really struck me as sensationalism, yellow journalism, and libertarian fear-mongering consistent with this man's MO.

What happened to Mossadeq seems absolutely plausible; IF ONLY it was factually accurate. The manner in which Operation Ajax is presented attempts to skew the viewer's opinion into two incorrect preconceptions: 1) Mossadeq was an anti-Communist (He had actually aligned with Iranian communist party during his time as PM); and 2) Ajax was a concentrated 'false flag' operation (It was more a plan for the Shah to secure enough political power to enable him to kick Mossadeq out of office. 'False flag' tactics were only a small part of that mission).

Jones' technique takes pages out of Michael Moore's or Bill O'Reilly's books. As entertaining as such 'pages' may be, I wouldn't use them as evidence or support for anything, though.
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Check Cia.gov, I checked dat Operation Ajax Part, too lazy to read big file documents :/