Term 1 Thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19242)

Term 2 started.

Just to make sure you see this:

The results of the three polls about pop-rushing libraries, at the time the turn starts, should be followed. Thus, if they remain unchanged, libraries should be rushed immediately in Khatovar, Boston, and Chicago.

The poll for revolution is very close. I am not sure who gets the tie-breaking vote on that, the domestic leader or the president. If it is me, my vote is that we hold off on revolution for 8 turns. Essentially, a 'no' vote. You can also subtract one vote from the yes column and add it to the no column, as I originally voted yes, and have changed my mind, as I want to wait for eight turns, rather than do it immediately. Should the vote on that poll be 'no', then only 8 turns should be played tonight. If it is 'yes', then the revolt should take place within 3 turns, and after the libraries have been rushed (if those polls remain unchanged).

Eyr should be switched immediately to a library, as should New Falcon's Haven. Once Eyr is done, it should build a temple. PDX should be switched to a temple once something is done about that legion.

I will not be attending the chat, thanks once again to BellSouth.

As deputy domestic leader I would like to go on record as being against rushing the libraries in Khatovar, Boston, and Chicago as there is no dire need to do so.

9 turns played.

- Atlanta is ours again.
- Peace with Greece, China and Aztecs established.
- Got an Alliance with the Aztecs against Babylon.

Our Immortals are aproaching Egypt, and they recently killed of much of the Iroquios troops near Civanatoria (5 Archers, 2 Warriors, about 9 archers and 2 spearmen left).

Downloading the game and playing it to see what's going to happen is a major violation of the code of rules of the democracy game! If discovered, the person will be banned from the forum, and from the game.

The latest map:

Strange, it wasn't uploaded...

Here, a new try:

3rd try, here it comes:

I'm also unable to attend chats (thanks to Oracle (the software), which crippled my OS). That's why I'm appointing a Chat Rep. for the Trade Department.

Trade Dept. Report:

My requests for Trade Deputy and Chat Rep. have already started, and I will be busy analyzing our maps. It should also be noted that some civs like to build a city on top of a resource. I will be checking for these too. I will PM you with the results of my survey.

if we haven't named the city called "I need a name" I believe it is Chieftess, then Justus, then myself and chiefpaco after me in naming order.

Well, my name isn't the best for a city name, so maybe the first few letters will do.

Chie

Also, I'd like to see a city on that hill where the 2 fish, wheat and horse surrond it - North-east of Asyut. And we sure do live on one convuluted pangaea continent!

Our assessment is complete, and it may prove useful in our future plans.


The file is in MS-Word format, but should work in Wordpad.

The Department of Foreign Affairs will do the following at the beginning of the 5/5 turn chat:

Make peace with Zululand - we get WM (World Map)
Make peace with Rome - we get Lutetia or Lugdunum (President's Choice) + 23 gold + WM.
Make peace with Iroquois - we get 11 gold + WM.

After 13 turns, expire the military alliance with the Aztecs and make peace with Babylon. The current offer from Hamurabi is 1 g/t + 62 lump sum. It should be better in 13 turns.

A group of Aztec dissidents have requested working visas to come to Phoenatica. They are very poor and cannot afford their own passage. If we give the Aztecs a mere 10 gold for coach fare these hard working people will join our civilization. This should be done immediately, in our opinion, as their own government may send them to the fields soon and we will lose contact with them.

This is to announce that Zur is the Trade Deputy for the Trade Department, and will be representing us in chat.

Good work Shaitan

I'm with Shaitan.

I also support Shaitan

At last, the other Civs acknowledge our superiority! Good work guys :goodjob: and thanks to all the citizens for your support in this global war!

I fully support the strategy of our esteemed foreign minister. I also will not be able to attend the chat tonight, I am still at a "secret undisclosed location" and will not be home in time to participate. Punkbass2000 will be my chat rep for tonight's turn, if he is able to attend. I will be home late this evening, if it is still going on.

I'll likely be able to attend, though I may not be able to participate 100% of the time, as I'm supposed to be doing homework, so I must look like I'm doing it whenever my spouse is around (she just doesn't understand civ :):rolleyes: )

I'll try to attend the chat too (if I can find it). :)
mIRC works on my crippled Windows OS, which is about the only bright spot....

Think you could open the channel now so I can find it? :)
I've been searching all day for 'demogame', but can't find it.
(I've never been in a mIRC chat before....)

Here chieftess Ill try and help you:

1) Open MIRC and Click options if it isn't opened when you enter mirc
2)click add (should be next to the drop-box "irc network"
3) copy this: "irc.webmaster.com" into the line entitled "irc server"
4)fill in whatever you want to have the server listed as in the box "description" I put "civfanatics"
5)make sure port is 6667
6)click add
7)connect to this server
8)type #demogame in the window

Now I somehow found it (don't know how. :)), but it says I can't send...
:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused:

Pretty much happened this fast round of anarchy.

Good Things
- We took El-Amarna, Byblos and Memphis.
- We got peace with Zulu, Iroqouis, and Rome.
- For the peaces we got 1 city, and +40 Gold, and the current World Map.

Bad Things
- We lost 1 Immortal.
- Aztecs built a city near us.

Downloading the game and playing it to see what's going to happen is a major violation of the code of rules of the democracy game! If discovered, the person will be banned from the forum, and from the game.

Here's the current Tactical Map:

I just read through the turn chat and noticed there was some confusion over the peace deals where the deals I had negotiated weren't working. GreyFox's guess that I was using 1.21 is correct. My apologies - I did not know that there were changes in the dealing logic with the new patch. Since it looks like we'll be moving the game to 1.21 there shouldn't be any more confusing episodes like this.

Immediate: Establish Right of Passage agreements with China and Greece. These should be straight ROP for ROP deals. If something flaky happens you can pay up to 10 gp per deal to get them signed.

Upon ending our anarchy: Establish an embassy with Rome. Establish ROP with Rome. This should be a straight ROP for ROP deal. If not you can pay up to 20 gp to get the deal signed.

In 6 turns (when our military alliance with the Aztecs is up for renegotiation): Cancel the alliance and establish ROP with Aztecs. Establish peace with Babylon. Babylon was at 1 g/t plus 62 g at last check. Get as much as you can. Hard cash is prefered as Hamurabi is a back stabbing oath breaker.

War against Egypt:
The refined goals for the war are to capture Asyut, Alexandria and Thebes. Asyut is a mandate of our Manifest Destiny. Once these three cities have been captured, sue for peace. They won't have any cash but we should be able to get 1 more city in the peace talks.

Instructions for the province of Istar:

Until the provincial borders law passes the cabinet, I guess I am still governor of the first 5 cities.

Build queues:

Fox's Nest: Marketplace, Wonder?
Eyr: Temple, Aqueduct? (It will not be finished during this turn anyway, and I should have a chance to take a closer look before that.)
Khatovar: Settler, Temple
Shailonegha: Galley, galley(unless we already have another city building them)
PDX: Pikemen, Pikemen, Marketplace

Remember to check out the budget thread. There is money to rush libraries in remote cities. Since I am by default the governor most of these until the emergency election, I will allow Grey Fox to decide which ones, unless the cultural department already has something in mind. I will not be attending the chat turn again, though I will be there for the next one.

Alexandria is on the other side of the Egyptian empire. We'd have to take nearly all of Egypt to make sure it wasn't isolated. Elephantine is more important.

I would like to go for Asyut, Thebes, and Elephantine. We could try to go for Hieraconpolis or Avaris (if we can't get Hieraconpolis) in deals.

We could also go for Heliopolis, since it's well located. But Thebes, Asyut, and Elephantine are the primary objectives.

I would kinda like to know the President's position on the Chinese settler outside of Khatovar and how he plans to address this situation.

Here is the latest save(480 AD):

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22095

Would someone please post a screenshot for those of us without home internet access? Also, can someone explain why Eyr is building a settler? It should be building a marketplace, assuming it finsished it's temple, unless there is some sort of emergency I don't know about....

originally posted by eyrei:

Until the provincial borders law passes the cabinet, I guess I am still governor of the first 5 cities.

Under the new constitution the domestic leader is the 'de facto' governor of all new cities until they are officially put into a new province. So, eyrei, until the provincial borders law passes, you are governor of everything except for Greater Cormyr.

Build queues for Istar:

Fox's Nest: Cathedral, Wonder(?)
Eyr: Marketplace, Aqueduct (no settler, this is a high production and commerce potential city, we should not be depleting the population. Build a settler in a corrupt town, we can probably rush it for less than 100 gold)
Khatovar: Temple, Marketplace
Chie: Library, Temple

I think there is a conquered Egyptian city within the borders of Istar as well, but there is no screenshot posted. I think my internet package arrived yesterday, and I should be able to pick it up at the office today.

Mr. President,

Would you please state in the chat log each time you spend money on anything, and what department's budget you are using? We need this information to keep track of the budget.

Thanks,

Eyrei
Domestic Leader

Zur will speak chatting on behalf of the Trade Department in tonight's turn chat, as I won't be here for much, or all of the turn chat. (dinner and family wanting to use the computer, again...)

Not to get off the suject of Chefftess' squedule but what exactlly is the point of the no political party rule?

It's so newer players (like yourself) have a better chance of being elected. Because political parties would always vote for the same person in the elections, the person they nominated, then the election simply becomes a popularity contest.

I've been playing since the beggining. I made the mistake of suporting Grey Fox in the first ellection. It seems that the same people are being ellected any way

Originally posted by russia1292000
I've been playing since the beggining. I made the mistake of suporting Grey Fox in the first ellection. It seems that the same people are being ellected any way

I think as the game progresses and people become more confortable with what the positions need to do, there will be more nominations for positions, and thus, more chance of different people getting elected.

Originally posted by russia1292000
I made the mistake of suporting Grey Fox in the first ellection.

What is it exactly that Grey Fox has done wrong?

Originally posted by russia1292000
I've been playing since the beggining. I made the mistake of suporting Grey Fox in the first ellection. It seems that the same people are being ellected any way

I think GF is doing a great job. Besides, he said he may not run again.

Russia's complaint is that GF wouldn't give into the threats of the Babylonians way back when. They demanded our Maps, GF, supporting the set policy, didn't give in to their threats and started the world war we have recently gotten out of. Even if Russia's complaint was valid then (which it wasn't) the results of that war has seen us triple in size, eliminate 2 other civs, and be come a dominate world power, much to our benefit. But, Russia's allowed to voice his opinion, and I'm allowed to refute him.

Anyway.....

I've been thinking, maybe we should see what goal we should be going for. Each goal calls for a different stradegy. So I suggest we post a poll to see if we whether or not we should have a goal or just "wing it." If a goal is the winner than a seperate poll will be held (maybe simulatinously, like the Wonder poll) to see which goal we should go for.

Dear Mr. President,

i would like to bring to you attendance (and the attendance of all other officials) the fact that we collected a valuable opinion of one of our "former" citizens who left the game on the point why(!) he left the game... he makes some good points there, and maybe the president could notice this and give a comment in this thread or open a new thread for discussion.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22395

Best Regards,
Disorganizer
Census Office

Dear Mr. President,

we got good proposals for the collection of chat information:
Forum-Redesign-Thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21857)
Where-Are-Our-Citizens-Thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22395)
Player-Leaves-Thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22410)

Maybe a short overview:
1) A Summary of the Major Actions and Events of the Turn-Chat is urgently needed along with the log and save. The log alone is not enough, because it is too hard to read
2) The Inforamtion must be collected together in one thread
3) handling of "player left" issue and the problem of Chatters not seeing what happens must be solved.

My proposal would be to open a thread for every turnchat where the 1st post should include the date when this turn will be done, along with the save with wich to start. After this post the departments will post their chat-recommendations.
The next post will hold the Savegame for During-Chat-Saves, which means we could save and replace the attachment after every game-turn, which will enable chatters to see what happens.
When the chat is done, this post will be updated with the last save, stating which date it ended. After this, there should be a last post with the chatlog and a summary of major events and actions taken in forum-format.

But read carefully thru the threads to come to your own conclusion. What we need is an easy way to find information and have a summarized chatlog which every1 can easily read and understand the situation from within 1 day from the turn-chat.

Best Regards,
Disorganizer

Very organized, Disorganizer!

Seriously, I think that is about the cleanest solution I have seen so far, to both the turn instructions and summary problems.

tnx, but i just compiled it from the other threads. finally we managed to get a rational discussion about our real problems going, which is good and will heavily improove gameplay.

Thanks to Thunderfall we now have our own java-chatpage for the Turnchat (http://www.civfanatics.com/chat_demogame.shtml)!

That would rock, especially for me! Thanks Thunderfall! :goodjob: Less logging in as Zur2, Zur3 etc. I hope.

Where did you download the mod for them graphics from?

What is the deal with these council members and citizens (I think that I was away while they were instated). Also about that city called "need a name" (sorrey if somebody has already resolved this) I think that it should be named after one of our great leaders that we won (by great leaders I mean that unit in Civ, not real leaders that are submiting to threads).

Originally posted by Phoenix
What is the deal with these council members and citizens (I think that I was away while they were instated). Also about that city called "need a name" (sorrey if somebody has already resolved this) I think that it should be named after one of our great leaders that we won (by great leaders I mean that unit in Civ, not real leaders that are submiting to threads).

I am not really sure what you are asking. When was the last time you checked the forum so I have a point of referance with which to answer your question?

Need a Name became Justinian, I believe.

We've had Council Members and Citizens from the beginning of the game.

I think he is refering to our Council Members At Large (or Senior and Junior Councilmember, or whatever we are calling them now). Basically, they are cabinet members without a specific department, but they do vote in all Council votes. They are tied to the citizens in that their votes must be based on a citizens poll for each question.

which will be the next persons to name cities?

Naming rights are specified in the constitution. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19271)

"Section M: Naming Rites

Article 1: Naming rights for new cities will be given following the Chain of Command..."

The highest member of the CoC that hasn't named a city is Chiefpaco. I pmed him about naming the next city but he said he wasn't interested. Next in line would be Plexus as deputy in Foreign Affairs (unless I'm missing something).

Originally posted by donsig
Naming rights are specified in the constitution. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19271)

"Section M: Naming Rites

Article 1: Naming rights for new cities will be given following the Chain of Command..."

The highest member of the CoC that hasn't named a city is Chiefpaco. I pmed him about naming the next city but he said he wasn't interested. Next in line would be Plexus as deputy in Foreign Affairs (unless I'm missing something).

This is kind of an unimportant question, but I, for example, am close to being in the position of naming a city (IIRC, after PLexus, it's Science Deputy, then Culture -> Me). Now, I don't really expect this to happen, or really care if it does, but what if I were to be elected Culture Minister in the next term, before that city is founded? Do I forfeit my naming rights?

Naming rights go by the CoC in effect at the time the new city is founded. If you become Culture Minister punkbass2000 you would only be behind any one higher in the CoC who hasn't yet named a city. I only quoted the first line of the naming rights section. There's more and it is all explained there.

if some citizen will get a honour (see citizen forum), he will go before the COC. as a special "price"

The only good thing about Grey Fox's seccond term is it's his last

Originally posted by russia1292000
The only good thing about Grey Fox's seccond term is it's his last
I certainly hope not. Hopefully, GreyFox's real life commitments will lessen in time for him to regain the President's seat for Term 4.

The term 3 Presidential thread is here. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23763)