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Squirrel2004
Apr 06, 2001, 05:54 PM
I was bored one day so I decided to find out what those population numbers really mean. I figured out all the population numbers from 1 to 100. Some of you may think it's a waste of time or there somewhere in the manual, but I needed to find the size for real cities like NYC, LA, and Chicago. Here they are:

1 - 10,000
2 - 30,000
3 - 60,000
4 - 90,000
5 - 150,000
6 - 210,000
7 - 280,000
8 - 360,000
9 - 450,000
10 - 550,000
11 - 660,000
12 - 780,000
13 - 910,000
14 - 1,050,000
15 - 1,200,000
16 - 1,360,000
17 - 1,530,000
18 - 1,710,000
19 - 1,900,000
20 - 2,100,000
21 - 2,310,000
22 - 2,530,000
23 - 2,760,000
24 - 3,000,000
25 - 3,250,000
26 - 3,510,000
27 - 3,780,000
28 - 4,060,000
29 - 4,350,000
30 - 4,650,000
31 - 4,960,000
32 - 5,280,000
33 - 5,610,000
34 - 5,950,000
35 - 6,300,000
36 - 6,660,000
37 - 7,030,000
38 - 7,410,000
39 - 7,800,000
40 - 8,200,000
41 - 8,610,000
42 - 9,030,000
43 - 9,460,000
44 - 9,900,000
45 - 10,350,000
46 - 10,810,000
47 - 11,280,000
48 - 11,760,000
49 - 12,250,000
50 - 12,750,000
51 - 13,260,000
52 - 13,780,000
53 - 14,310,000
54 - 14,850,000
55 - 15,400,000
56 - 15,960,000
57 - 16,530,000
58 - 17,110,000
59 - 17,700,000
60 - 18,300,000
61 - 18,900,000
62 - 19,530,000
63 - 20,160,000
64 - 20,800,000
65 - 21,450,000
66 - 22,110,000
67 - 22,780,000
68 - 23,460,000
69 - 24,150,000
70 - 24,850,000
71 - 25,560,000
72 - 26,280,000
73 - 27,010,000
74 - 27,750,000
75 - 28,500,000
76 - 29,260,000
77 - 30,030,000
78 - 30,810,000
79 - 31,600,000
80 - 32,400,000
81 - 33,210,000
82 - 34,030,000
83 - 34,860,000
84 - 35,700,000
85 - 36,550,000
86 - 37,410,000
87 - 38,280,000
88 - 39,160,000
89 - 40,050,000
90 - 40,950,000
91 - 41,860,000
92 - 42,780,000
93 - 43,710,000
94 - 44,650,000
95 - 45,600,000
96 - 46,560,000
97 - 47,530,000
98 - 48,510,000
99 - 49,500,000
100 - 50,500,000

I hope this helps many of you people who would like to know what population your city has, or if your making a scenario, what size New York should be (I figured it out to be size 53 or 54 [14,645,000 people] including suburbs) What really sucks is where I live, Collinsgwood, would be a size 1 (14,000 people).

I'll probably add an accurate list of world cities and what size they would probably be, including suburbs.

Squirrel2004

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Squirrel2004
Apr 06, 2001, 10:49 PM
Ok, heres a list of the 50 largest urban centers in the world and their sizes. The U.S. Census Bureau defines an urban center as - a continious built-up area, similar to a metropolitan area, having a population density of at least 5,000 persons per square mile (1,900 per square kilometer).

1. Tokyo/Yokohama - 77
2. Mexico City - 74
3. Sao Paulo - 71
4. Seoul - 66
5. Bombay - 55
6. New York City - 54
7. Osaka/Kobe/Kyoto - 53
8. Tehran - 53
9. Rio de Janeiro - 53
10. Calcutta - 52
11. Buenos Aires - 50
12. Manila - 50
13. Jakarta - 50
14. Cairo - 49
15. Lagos - 49
16. Delhi - 48
17. Karachi(Pakistan) - 47
18. Moscow - 47
19. Los Angeles - 46
20. Lima - 43
21. Istanbul - 42
22. Paris - 41
23. London - 41
24. Taipei - 41
25. Bogota - 39
26. Bangkok - 38
27. Shanghai - 38
28. Madras(India) - 38
29. Essen - 37
30. Bangalore - 36
31. Pusan - 36
32. Chicago - 36
33. Dhaka - 35
34. Santiago(Chile) - 35
35. Beijing - 34
36. Hong Kong - 34
37. Lahore - 34
38. Kinshasa - 33
39. Nagoya - 32
40. Tianjin - 32
41. Baghdad - 32
42. Belo Horizonte - 32
43. Madrid - 31
44. Milan(Italy) - 31
45. Barcelona - 31
46. Ahmadabad - 31
47. Hyderabad(India) - 30
48. St. Petersburg - 30
49. Shenyang - 30
50. Ho Chin Minh City - 29

If you don't know how to get sizes that high(70s) you have to go to effects editor and change food consumption per citizen to 1, rather than 2. This allows you populations to double. I did it and easity got up to 70, even up to 80. Next, I'll probably post 50 largest cities in USA.

Squirrel2004

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gjts00
Apr 06, 2001, 11:44 PM
That list isn't in alphabetical order. And you left out Phoenix AZ...LOL!!!

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BlueMonday
Apr 07, 2001, 01:47 AM
Salt Lake City = 18

Man, you must really have been bored to make a list like that, no offense intended.

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Squirrel2004
Apr 07, 2001, 06:16 PM
No offense taken. Yeah I was bored. Friends couldn't play hockey or doing anything. Also it isn't in alphabetical order, it's in order of 1st largest world urban area to the 50th largest urban area. and, according to the U.S. 2000 census, phoenix would be somewhere around 100 or so (it's on the list of U.S. cities). They got the foreign cities from that country's government or guess from the past 50 years population growth pecent.

Squirrel2004

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Squirrel2004
Apr 07, 2001, 06:36 PM
Top 50 U.S. metroploitan areas. Based on Census 2000. The Census Bureau defines a metroplitan area as - a large population nucleus with adjacent communities having a high degree of economic and social integration.

1. Los Angeles/Long Beach - 43
2. New York City - 41
3. Chicago - 40
4. Philadelphia - 31
5. Washington, D.C. - 31
6. Detriot - 29
7. Houston - 28
8. Atlanta - 28
9. Dallas - 25
10. Boston - 25
11. Riverside/San Bernadino - 25
12. Phoenix/Mesa - 24
13. Minneapolis/St. Paul - 24
14. San Diego - 23
15. Orange County, CA - 23
16. Nassau/Suffolf, NY - 23
17. St. Louis - 22
18. Baltimore - 22
19. Oakland, CA - 21
20. Seattle/Bellevue/Everett - 21
21. Pittsburgh - 21
22. Tampa/St. Petersburg/Clearwater - 21
23. Cleveland/Lorain/Elyria - 21
24. Miami - 20
25. Denver - 20
26. Newark, NJ - 19
27. Portland, OR - 19
28. Kansas City(Missouri and Kansas) - 18
29. San Francisco - 18
30. Fort Worth/Arlington - 18
31. San Jose - 18
32. Cincinnati - 18
33. Sacramento - 17
34. San Antonio - 17
35. Norfolk/Virginia Beach/Newport News - 17
36. Orlando - 17
37. Fort Lauderdale - 17
38. Indainapolis - 17
39. Columbus, OH - 17
40. Milwaukee/Waukesha - 17
41. Charlotte/Gastonnia/Rock Hill - 17
42. Las Vegas - 16
43. Bergen/Passaic, NJ - 16
44. New Orleans - 16
45. Salt Lake City/Ogden - 16
46. Greensboro/Winston-Salem/High Point, NC - 15
47. Austin/San Marcos - 15
48. Nashville - 15
49. Hartford - 15
50. Middlesex/Somerset/Hunterdon, NJ - 15

Squirrel2004


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R
Apr 09, 2001, 02:42 AM
Wow... what a work.

Interesting. I live in a 10-city then.

It follows a distinct X2 curve. Checked with Excel, only the first 5 sizes are rounded neatly to look better. The rest can be calculated quite exact like this:

City size*City size*5000=Population


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shadowdale
Apr 09, 2001, 09:55 AM
The top five Danish cities:

Copenhagen: 16
Århus : 8
Odense : 5
Ålborg : 5
Esbjerg : 4

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stormerne
Apr 09, 2001, 10:50 AM
I live in a size 1 city.
I work in London, a size 38 city.
Altogether "Greater London" - where there's no break in the housing - is a size 43 city.

By contrast these are figures if you thought of a whole country as a single city...
the whole of Sweden = size 41
the whole of Austria = size 38
the whole of Switzerland = size 37
the whole of Finland = size 32
the whole of Denmark = size 32



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woke25
Apr 09, 2001, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by stormerne:
I live in a size 1 city.
I work in London, a size 38 city.
Altogether "Greater London" - where there's no break in the housing - is a size 43 city.

By contrast these are figures if you thought of a whole country as a single city...
the whole of Sweden = size 41
the whole of Austria = size 38
the whole of Switzerland = size 37
the whole of Finland = size 32
the whole of Denmark = size 32


that cant be correct. The Netherlands is FAR smaller then the countries above and yet has 16 million citizens = size 56.

I appreciate this work, its neat.

BlueMonday
Apr 09, 2001, 01:16 PM
By R's equation the whole of the US is a size 232 city.

c= sqrt(270000000/5000)

c= 232.****

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drake
Apr 09, 2001, 03:12 PM
I agree that this is interesting work....gives an idea of what a cities size is relative to in a game.....http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/goodwork.gif

R
Apr 09, 2001, 03:31 PM
To woke23: yes it is correct, the Scandinavian countries are not very populated.

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R
Apr 09, 2001, 03:49 PM
This system makes it a lot easier to compare city sizes anyways.

Why not get a shot for the whole world's population: 6,146,560,000, according to
www.ibiblio.org/lunarbin/worldpop (http://www.ibiblio.org/lunarbin/worldpop)

That would be 1108 civ citizens... We're doing pretty good, wonder what the civ-rate is going to be?

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FearlessLeader2
Apr 10, 2001, 12:03 AM
Civ rate won't include a bonus for world peace, that's for sure! That aside, y'all might want to consider going outside and playing catch or just going for a walk. I love Civ as much as the next guy(it is my substitute for sex after all) but sheesh.

stormerne
Apr 10, 2001, 06:01 AM
Originally posted by woke23:
that cant be correct. The Netherlands is FAR smaller then the countries above and yet has 16 million citizens = size 56.

It IS correct!! That's because the Netherlands are very densley populated and places like Sweden are sparsely populated. Do the research yourself and you will see. http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif

"each square kilometer accommodates an average of 449 people, making the Netherlands one of the most densely populated countries in the world"
--- http://www.thehollandring.com/toen-nu.htm



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GenghisK
Apr 10, 2001, 06:21 AM
50. Ho Chin Minh City - 29

Hey, that's MY native city http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif Good job!
BTW, I wonder if the size of the Shanghai whole district is reallly 38. Since there are 100 million citizen...

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Fishheads
Apr 10, 2001, 06:55 AM
ohhhh london ontario!
a size 8 city!


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CornMaster
Apr 10, 2001, 08:52 AM
Originally posted by Fishheads:
ohhhh london ontario!
a size 8 city!

If you hadn't of passed on that aquduct you could be bigger <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif" border=0>

All of Newfoundland, Canada. Size 9!!!! WWHHHOOO!!!!!

St. John's (110,000)/Mount Pearl (25,000) /Ghoulds + Paradise (5,000)= Size 5 (150,000) (Really = 140,000) (All same area)
Gander (International Airport) = Size 1 (10,000) (Really = 12,500)
Corner Brook (And surronding areas) = Size 2 (30,000) (Really = 22,000)

And the rest makes up the rest. <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif" border=0>

The town I'm originally from (Lived there for 12 years):
Summerford (1,100) = Size .11 http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


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Squirrel2004
Apr 10, 2001, 03:09 PM
You've all made me happy. I spent all that work one boring day to do this. At first nobody responded, but now 18 people have. I guess I should post more cities and stuff. Look above, I updated the American metros.

Squirrel2004

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Squirrel2004
Apr 10, 2001, 03:38 PM
What about the Vatican City? Last time I checked it had 804 citizens. That's 0.0804 of a civ person. So it's probably just about the guy's ear. OR how about this one. There is a small village near where I live. 90% of it is a golf course, named after the village, Tavistock. The other 10% belongs to poeple with a lot of $$$ and mansions, about 20 of them. That's a size .002 city. No improvements, either. Just, a couple of big houses and a... golf course.

Squirrel2004

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Magnus
Apr 10, 2001, 04:07 PM
The correct formula for determining population of a city is as follows:

Population = 10,000 * X((X+1)/2) where 'X' is the City Size.

CornMaster
Apr 10, 2001, 04:10 PM
Squirrel2004:

Your first list should be added to the War Academy or reference section of the site! It's some pretty useful info.

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R
Apr 10, 2001, 05:19 PM
Thanks Magnus for the formula. Where did you find it?

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Magnus
Apr 10, 2001, 05:34 PM
LOL R,

Alegebra.

I was seeing a pattern in the numbers and set to work on it. A '1' city is 10K, a '2' city is 30K (10K + 20K) a '3' city is 60K (10K + 20K + 30K) etc., so I found a formula that would produce that result, tested it and found it valid.

vladmir_illych_lenin
Apr 13, 2001, 09:43 PM
Interesting stuff!

But I still think they should make the pop regular, like 1 citizen = 10,000 people. I hate how when you build a settler from a size 8 city, and you lose 60k, but when you build settlers from a size 2 city, you only lose 20k. It really damages your powergraph!