We already know Abraham Lincoln is going to be in here (although what traits...traditional Philosophical/Charismatic, "Lincoln Unmasked"-view-style Aggressive/Financial, or a segue of the two?). But who the other five might be...hmmm...

My hopesguesses:

1. Sejong (Korea)
2. Shotoku (Japan)
3. Perikles (Greece)
4. Junius Brutus (Rome...Republican Rome, that is)
5. Boadicea (Celts)

Do I hear any other takers?

Charles V?

For the five additional leaderheads I'm going to say that they'll likely just be copies from the older games. In other words - Xerxes of Persia, Joan d'Arc of France, Cleopatra of Egypt, Abu Bakr of Arabia, and Osman of the Ottomans. Pachacuti of Inca might replace one of the above. Of course, we already know that Abraham Lincoln is one of them, which further proves my point that they're just copying leaderheads from the previous games.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=214630 .

Japan: Meiji (no other comes close in Japan)

Why would you want another leader for the Celts when they're such a minor civilization? I say;

Meiji (Japan)
Suleiman the Magnificent (Ottomans)
Charlemagne (Germany)
Pericles (Greece)
Abu Bakr (Arabia)

Suleiman (Ottomans)
Baibars (Arabia)
Akbar (India)
Pericles (Greece)
Cnut (Viking)

Xerxes is bound to be one of them given the popularity of the movie 300.

Xerxes is bound to be one of them given the popularity of the movie 300.

If they're basing the leader choices on popular movies then Xerxes is unlikely to be selected since he lost.

If they're basing the leader choices on popular movies then Xerxes is unlikely to be selected since he lost.

I'm inclined to disagree here. Before 300, I'd hazard a guess that very few members of the general public would even have heard of Xerxes. But since the films, there is little doubt that his fame will have massively risen. I think Persia are one of the civs both in need of a new leader, and likely to get one in the new XP, and I wouldn't be suprised if this was Xerxes ahead of the more deserving Darius purely off of the success of 300.

Oh yeah Xerxes made the cut, there is no doubt in my mind.

Xerxes is bound to be one of them given the popularity of the movie 300.

Then I want Leonidas as greek leader! Hehe

Then I want Leonidas as greek leader! HeheThen when the Greeks build Sparta, Sid Meier will appear and scream "THIS IS MADNESS! THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! for ten whole minutes or until you cannot hear anymore.

Xerxes will probably make the cut (unfortunately).

Also Cleopatra (unfortunately).

I really hope Meiji and some eastern leaders are in cause frankly I'm tired of the game being biased towards US/Europe.

I think the following leaders need their place
-Abe Lincon (announced)
-Hitler (though due to political reason they won't)
-Suleiman (why did they choose Mehmet II over him)
-Joan d'Arc
-Hirohito (modern era game, they have most of the significant WWII leaders apart from him & Hitler [Mussolini was not significant])
-Nero (there's going to be random events, don't you want to watch rome burn)

Mehmed II was the Sultan that successfully siege Constantinopel. Ending the East-Roman Empire, and the end of the medieval -era

Charlemagne (Germany)


Actually, Charlemagne would be French...he united France, Germany, and Italy, then was proclaimed Holy Roman Emperor, and upon his death, split his kingdom up into Holy Roman Empire(Germany), Italy, and France....but he originated in France.

I would hazard:
Philip II(Spain, in dire need of someone less distasteful to deal with than Izzy)
Xerxes(Persia, should be Darius though)
Charlemagne(France)
Canute(Vikings)

I think the following leaders need their place
(...)
-Hirohito (modern era game, they have most of the significant WWII leaders apart from him & Hitler [Mussolini was not significant])


Hirohito wasn't much of a leader really, more of a figurehead (which is how he escaped punishment in the postwar tribunals). If you're keen on having all the WW2 war criminals in the list, it should be General Tojo Hideki, who was prime minister in the war years and a major warmonger.

For a second Japanese leader, I'd much prefer Nobunaga Oda.

J.

Actually, Charlemagne would be French...he united France, Germany, and Italy, then was proclaimed Holy Roman Emperor, and upon his death, split his kingdom up into Holy Roman Empire(Germany), Italy, and France....but he originated in France.

Well, actually he was born either in what is today Belgium or in Germany, sprent parts of his childhood in what is today France - and likely spoke a precursor of the french, german and dutch tongues. I think either classification (German or French) does not do the circumstances of the time justice.

Here's a snippet from Wikipedia:

Charlemagne's native tongue is a matter of controversy. He spoke the Germanic language of the Franks of his day, which should be called Old Frankish, but linguists differ on the identity and periodisation of the language, some going so far as to say that he did not speak Old Frankish as he was born in 742 or 747, by which time Old Frankish had become extinct. Old Frankish is reconstructed from its descendant, Old Low Franconian, also called Old Dutch, and from loanwords to Old French. Linguists know very little about Old Frankish, as it attested mainly as phrases and words in the law codes of the main Frankish tribes (especially those of the Salian and Ripuarian Franks), which are written in Latin interspersed with Germanic elements.[4]

The area of Charlemagne's birth does not make determination of his native language easier. Most historians agree he was born around Liège, like his father, but some say he was born in or around Aachen, some fifty kilometres away. At that time, this was an area of great linguistic diversity. If we take Liège (around 750) as the centre, we find Low Franconian in the north and northwest, Gallo-Romance (the ancestor of Old French) in the south and southwest and various Old High German dialects in the east. If Gallo-Romance is excluded, that means he either spoke Old Low Franconian or an Old High German dialect, probably with a strong Frankish influence.

since Wikipedia is so trustworthy for academic searches lol

He was Frankish, he began his 'campaign' to unite the former Roman Empire in France, therefore he would be a French leader(he's the only successful military leader the french had, don't take him away from them ;))

What's more important about Charlemagne, in gamer's terms barring historical interpretation, is that he is generally affiliated with the French in people's minds. It might just have been good pr/propaganda work by the French to associate themselves with a successful leader that they may or may not have a claim to, but I can tell you that it worked.

If Xerxes makes it in then there'll probably be 300 references everywhere. :shake:

"Tonight, we dine in <CIV_NAME>!" (Xerxes declares war)

I'm the only one that associates Charlemagne with Germany?

THE FIRST REICH!!!!

...
No, I'm not a nazi sympathizer.

But while we are on the subject, Hitler is the most obvious glaring omission. Sure there's the whole PR issue, but Stalin is estimated to have eradicated three times as many people. I've already modded Hitler into my game as Agg/Chm. With Monty-esque personality, he's a real challenge to play against.

I WOULD like to see a Holy Roman Empire, led my Charlemagne.

And maybe a Hebrew Empire

I'm the only one that associates Charlemagne with Germany?

THE FIRST REICH!!!!

...
No, I'm not a nazi sympathizer.

But while we are on the subject, Hitler is the most obvious glaring omission. Sure there's the whole PR issue, but Stalin is estimated to have eradicated three times as many people. I've already modded Hitler into my game as Agg/Chm. With Monty-esque personality, he's a real challenge to play against.

Why would you be a nazi sympathizer just because you said the First Reich? :confused: Nazism is an absolute exception in German history.

Anyway, Charlemagne can be associated with France. That name is French. But also with Germany: Karl der Grosse. He's the father of both France and Germany.

I'm the only one that associates Charlemagne with Germany?

THE FIRST REICH!!!!

...
No, I'm not a nazi sympathizer.

But while we are on the subject, Hitler is the most obvious glaring omission. Sure there's the whole PR issue, but Stalin is estimated to have eradicated three times as many people. I've already modded Hitler into my game as Agg/Chm. With Monty-esque personality, he's a real challenge to play against.

I'm pretty sure Stalin killed more Jews than Hitler in fact. Hitler would be a decent addition but I would like a very early German leader like Otto, the founder of the HRE.

I would like to see Eastern leaders, a second Japanese leader(meiji, nobunaga, or hirohito, a third Chinese(taizu or something), etc. I would love to see a southeast asian civ,(given I'm from there) but primarily to fill in the gap there, angkor or srivijaya would do nice.

i dont have any prefrances (other then gives some of the 1 leader nations some extra leader support) so i would like to see at least in the single player mode an option for a custom leader so you can choose any trait combo you want or none at all if you want to make it harder, as a genaric option for all civs with the a cheak box for allowing or disallowing use in multiplay games.

seeing as there is no way that thay can, and no way thay will beable to correctly fill out all the leader ranks, also with this option in thay could add an option to genarate AI leaders with random traits to get more of an unexpected factor going for the AI. (if you all cant tell i have a real thing for being allowed to make my own leader/unit/building/whatever custom style so im not a clone of whatever nation and leader i chose) should not have to mod in such options thats bad policy for a company that isnt willing to put in the effort the game is owed.

Custom combos, eh? What if there was an Aggressive/Charismatic Roman leader, with its default UU and the Sacrificial Altar for its UB? That would be uber-cool! :lol:

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I'm the only one that associates Charlemagne with Germany?No, i also see Karl as a German, I visit his grave a few times.

What I would like to see is Germany not even be a civ...I think it should go away and be replaced by Prussia, Austria, and the Holy Roman Empire...considering Germany as a country has only existed for a little over 100 years.

Charlemagne must be available to both French and German if he is in the game at all.

What I would like to see is Germany not even be a civ...I think it should go away and be replaced by Prussia, Austria, and the Holy Roman Empire...considering Germany as a country has only existed for a little over 100 years.
I agree. Maybe instead of a 'german' civilization we could have a 'germanic' civilization, which incorporates Germany, Austria, the HRE and Germanic barbarians (Goths, Vandals, etc.).

Or, we could have the HRE and Austria-Hungary as civs, and leave Germany alone. Though what would the cities for the HRE be? It has the same problem as Italy.

Given that he's in the censored Chinese version of the game, I'm wondering whether that Emperor Tang guy (Taizong, I think; whichever one it is that people keep going on about in other threads) might be in BtS. I'm not saying that I think China needs another LH, but if they're going to add censored versions of leaders to the Chinese game ("Mr. Tang", "Mr. Qin" and "Horaelock" as Genghis), why use the name "Tang" in the first place if they're trying to be subtle? Unless, of course, he'd already been developed ready for BtS. That's my line of thinking, anyway.

Frankish!=French

Franks had most in common, ethnically, with modern day Germans.

Anyway, Firaxis never stated that there will be 6 leaders of existing civilizations, only that there will be 10 new civilizations and 16 new leaders, so some of the new civs may get 2 leaders.

Also, there is already a thread on the first page about the same topic: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=214630