Please post here after sending the save so the next person knows he's up.

Roster:
fed1943
Churchill 25
dutchfire
donsig

I have sent turn 1 to donsig.

Turn 1 sent to fed1943.

My first ever [civ4] PBEM turn! :dance: :cheers: I hope I did it right! :D

Did you set a password and change your player name?

Did you set a password and change your player name?

Yes, I did. I e-mailed the turn to fed1943 but he replied and said he had some sort of library error. Anyone else ever see that? This is my first [civ4] PBEM so I'm still on a steep learning curve.

Nope, never seen before, try replaying and resending the save. (You need to send the 3xxx BC to fed1943 file)

I tried 4 times and always the same.

As I said I know nothing of computers. I replaced "my name" from player one
to fed1943. The save sent to me was "to player 1". Can this be the problem?

I'll wait for a resend; if still not working,what must I do,please?

Best regards,

Is the save "3880 BC to player 1"?

Is the save "3880 BC to player 1"?

No, that's not the one so I must have done something wrong. I'll try again.

All right, I guess I just don't know what I'm doing. I start up [civ4], choose multi-player, choose play by e-mail, choose load game, pick the save dutchfire sent me, put in the password Conroe sent me, go to your details and enter stuff (I'm not using donsig and change everything except STMP server), play my turn...

then what? If I go to save then I don't get the blah, blah, blah to player 1 name. If I press enter, I still don't get that right name. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. Civ III PBEM is much easier.

I do a different way:
Put the CD into drive;when it pops,press exit;then, go to the save,download
and open it;then play the turn;after end turn,leave the game;in the saves
directory is now the "save to (next player)", attach it to the email to him and send.
(A grocer tech,but it works).
Best regards,

then what? If I go to save then I don't get the blah, blah, blah to player 1 name. If I press enter, I still don't get that right name. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong.I'm not sure that I follow you ... but after you press Enter to end your turn, you should get a dialog box that says something to the effect of "the save has been placed in your PBEM folder". You then click the OK button and send that save on to the next player (I presume fed1943). The save will be located under the "\My Games\Civ4\Saves\pbem\DG2 PBEM" folder. It is not necessary for you to go do a save yourself. The end turn function creates the save.

If that save has the wrong name on it, then that player has yet to change their name.

I'm not sure that I follow you ... but after you press Enter to end your turn, you should get a dialog box that says something to the effect of "the save has been placed in your PBEM folder".

I get a little message at the bottom of the screen saying waiting for next player or something like that. I'll try fed1943's method of just opening the save.

Well, fed1943's method does not give a different result. I don't get a dialogue box when I press enter to end my turn. I just get a flashing message on the bottom of the map about waiting for other civilizations. I'm at a loss here guys. Should I e-mail the save to a nuetral party (Conroe?) to see if they can figure it out?

Maybe you could meet someone on IM / chat to talk through what it's doing.

Also, I'll throw together a quick demonstration 1v1 and send it to the same address we're using for the cage match. That way you can post screenies without them being spoilers.

1v1 test game sent to donsig. :)

Well, fed1943's method does not give a different result. I don't get a dialogue box when I press enter to end my turn. I just get a flashing message on the bottom of the map about waiting for other civilizations. I'm at a loss here guys. Should I e-mail the save to a nuetral party (Conroe?) to see if they can figure it out?

You should wait a bit when the waiting for other civs thing appears. All the calculations to enter the next turn (eg barbarian moves/appearances) are done after the last player (you) played. That's probably what's taking some time.

You should wait a bit when the waiting for other civs thing appears. All the calculations to enter the next turn (eg barbarian moves/appearances) are done after the last player (you) played. That's probably what's taking some time.

I waited 20 minutes and still the "waiting for other civililzations" message just keeps flashing.

I tried the test game DaveShack sent. This is a screen I do not see with the tourney save:

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1985/test1uu3.th.jpg (http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=test1uu3.jpg)

The password entering screen is also different:

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/6686/test2ct0.th.jpg (http://img63.imageshack.us/my.php?image=test2ct0.jpg)

I also do get the dialogue box for the save in the test game when I press enter:

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/8813/test3pq8.th.jpg (http://img77.imageshack.us/my.php?image=test3pq8.jpg)

Conroe said I could e-mail him the saves so I'll do that and also wait to see if these screenies generate any more tips.

Conroe said I could e-mail him the saves so I'll do that and also wait to see if these screenies generate any more tips.I had a look at the save (DG2_PBEM_BC_3940_to_Player4.Civ4SavedGame) that DutchFire sent to Donsig. And I have no clue what the problem is. But, I'm pretty certain that it isn't anything that Donsig has done wrong. As I'm getting the same results that he is reporting.

I can move the units, found the city, and then press the end of turn button. It then says "waiting for other civilizations" and nothing else happens. No dialog box about sending the save. And it does NOT create the save for the next player.

I also went back to the original save that you all started with. I went through all 4 player's turns several times without a hitch. In fact, the "waiting for other civs" message just flashes briefly on the screen. If you didn't know to look for it, you wouldn't even see it.

So, still some hope for this game?
Or, delete it and create a new one for us to play?
Best regards,

Fed1943 sent me a copy of the save that he sent to Churchill. I was able to successfully press "end turn" through the other 3 players turns and create the save back to Fed1943 that we couldn't do with donsig's save. There was NO endless loop "waiting for other civ". This leads me to believe that whatever happened to our save happened to either Churchill or Dutchfire. Did either of you two have any problems?

I've replayed and resent to donsig.

I've replayed and resent to donsig.

The second try save is asking me for your password Dutchfire.

Shall I try again?

Shall I try again?

Or give me your password. :D

Just kidding, of course. Yes, please try again, and we'll see what happens.

@Dutchfire: The third try you sent puts me at the same endless waiting for other civ message. I'm not sure what we can do.

Dutchfire sent me the save that he received from Churchill. This save consistently generates the endless loop at the end of player 4's turn. I went back and rechecked the save that Fed1943 sent to Churchill. It has NO problems.

Sadly, I still have no clue what is causing the problem or how to fix it. A search of the forum did not turn up any ideas either. Whatever happened, though, happened during Churchill's turn. Hopefully he can tell us if he noticed anything unusual. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like Churchill has logged onto CFC in the last several days.

Well, I guess we're dead in the water here. Any suggestions? Should we assume Churchill 25 is gone? If so them we need two more peope to get these two games going.

Churchill 25 emailed me and later told he shall play the turn again and send it.

Best regards,

I sent the save of the new game to donsig

save sent to fed1943 :cool:

Played the turn.

Now need the email of emperor to send it.

Best regards,

I'm emperor, and you should have my email (evldrunen@msn.com) :p

I do have your email, but I didn't know you was emperor.

So,you sent the save to you (donsig said to do it) but I changed the save'name
back to Player2.

Best regards,

:hammer2: d'Oh I am getting an incorrect password message when trying to open the save. I must have made a mistake when entering my password in the options screen :cry:

Not sure if I sent you the "good" game.
Have other here,I'll send it to you now.
Best regards,

resent turn I to donsig

The new turn one has been sent to fed1943 :)

Received the save and tried to play it, but it wants a password to let me open

the game. Someone,please, can tell me what it is?

Best regards,

it should be the password that you gave in during the first turn, in the same menu where you changed your name to fed1943.

it should be the password that you gave in during the first turn, in the same menu where you changed your name to fed1943.

Or, if you didn't change it then it should be the one Conroe originally sent you.

I changed as recommended,but now it doesn't work.
I was player1 and now am player3. Does this make any difference?
Anyway, I'll try Conroe's password, just have to find it.
Best regards,

Conroe's password doesn't work.

Best regards,

I changed as recommended,but now it doesn't work.
I was player1 and now am player3. Does this make any difference?
Anyway, I'll try Conroe's password, just have to find it.
Best regards,

Donsig might have sent you the wrong save in that case.

Donsig might have sent you the wrong save in that case.

Not sure so I resent it just now. It is called DG2_PBEM_BC-3880_to_fed1943.Civ4SavedGame so it has to be the correct save.

Yes! At last, it worked.

Game opened, played and sent to dutchfire.

Best regards,

turn 2 to donsig

Turn two sent to fed1943. If all goes smoothly I don't think we'll need to post every turn here. What do you think? The other game seems to be proceeding without a turn tracker thread. We can reserve this for times we'll be away.

Yes, I agree (IF things go smoothly :))

All right.

Best regards,

Who has the save?

Not I. Must be fed1943.

I sent it to dutchfire.

Best regards,

I have resent the latest save I had

I have resent the latest save I had

I already played that one so I re-sent the save (3700 BC).

So do I.

Best regards,

I've already sent it on to donsig

we're rolling again :)

Just sent the save to fed1943. :)

Sent another turn to fed1943.

I sent the 3220 BC turn a couple days ago. Did you get it fed1943?

Save's been sent

I just sent another turn off. :)

3100 BC turn sent. :)

Sorry, I was on vacation. Save has now been sent to fed1943.

Another turn sent out.

Another one sent in :D

Donsig, did you get 2860 BC? It's the last save I have.

Yes I did. I thought I sent the next turn along already. Resent it just now in case it didn't go the first time.

You should have another one in your inbox right now :D

And another one, I like this game's pace :D

Sent 2500 BC save to fed1943. (Thought I'd sent it a few days ago...)

GPS to Donsig

2440 BC turn sent.

2320 BC save sent.

2260 BC sent.

2140 BC sent. (No Internet connection at home so I couldn't play it this weekend.)

Who has it? My last on was 1960 BC to Donsig

My last is 1960 BC to dutchfire.

Best regards,

Just sent 1900 BC to fed1943.

When I patched Warlords so I could play HoF games it also patched vanilla. Then it took me a few days to find my other disk so I could reinstall with the correct patch. Sorry for the delay guys!

Can we start using the new patch? It seems that in order to upgrade Warlords one has to upgrade vanilla as well. (Or am I missing something?) When I tried using the new patch before I got some message about locked assets. :confused:

As I emailed both you, I can no longer open the save.
I installed BtS and so vanilla is patched.
So, unless some comp.wizard says better...
the game looks dead.
Sorry.
Best regards,

donsig, could you send the latest save to Conroe?

donsig, could you send the latest save to Conroe?I need the save and the password to open the save ...

I need the save and the password to open the save ...

Just sent the save and my password to Conroe. :hmm: I sent the save I played and my password. Conroe will need fed1943's password to open that save. Doh! Well, fed1943, if you see this, would you om Conroe your password?

In the mean time I'll email Conroe the last save I got from dutchfire. I can replay my turn easy enough.

Unless I'm very wrong, no password there.

Best regards,

Ok, I think I've upgraded the game. I've sent the save back to Donsig. I've never done this before, so let me know if it didn't work.

Unless I'm very wrong, no password there.Fortunately, it was asking for a password ...

I replayed it with no problems and sent it on to fed1943.

In version 1.74?

I didn't get it.
To which account have you sent it,please?
Best regards,

donsig, could you resend it?

Just resent it. Didn't notice this while I was on vacation. Sorry for the delay.

now I got it, played and sent to dutchfire.

Best regards,

GPS to donsig, in 1.74

Save sent to fed1943.

1720 BC sent.

1660 BC sent yesterday.

1600 BC turn just sent.

1540 BC save sent.

1480 BC save sent.

1420 BC sent.

1360 BC sent.

1300 BC save has been sent.

1240 BC sent.

1180 BC sent

1120 BC save has been sent.

1060 BC sent.

1000 BC save sent.

965 BC save has been sent.

930 BC save sent. My relative score has dropped quite a bit. :(

895 BC save sent.

860 BC save sent.

825 BC save sent.

790 BC save sent.

755 BC save has been sent.

685 BC save sent. I'm still in last place. :( Three religions have been founded.

You do have 2 wonders though.

650 BC save sent.

You do have 2 wonders though.

Yes I do. :) (Though I didn't realize till now that the Bhuddist holy building qualifies as a world wonder.)

650 BC save has been sent.

580 BC save sent.

Yesterday patched the last patch to BtS.
And now I cannot (again) open the save sent by Donsig.
Any solution, please?
Best regards,

The 3.13 patch of BtS changes a file in the normal Civ4 folder.
There's some discussion of it here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=232704&page=8). It seems that Firaxis once again has delivered an incompatible patch.
The problem is that if you want to have a correctly working vanilla 1.74, you can't have a correctly working BtS 3.13 at the same time. I think more reports like this will pop up the following days, hopefully there will be a solution too.

Have you tried the instructions in the link I posted? That should work.

I had already read it; and tried again the dual install, but didn't work.

And downgrade the Vanilla or Warlords, no thanks.

If you and donsig so want, I am for a new game, but without any

"Mod" or "locked assets" into it. Just as the game it is, is enough to me.

Best regards,

A pity, it was a fine game so far.

Indeed, it was.

(A lesson to me: do not play with Mods or so, even if they are quoted as
harmless).

Best regards,

Indeed, it was.

(A lesson to me: do not play with Mods or so, even if they are quoted as harmless).

Best regards,

I love that quote. :)

If you and donsig so want, I am for a new game, but without any

"Mod" or "locked assets" into it. Just as the game it is, is enough to me.(A lesson to me: do not play with Mods or so, even if they are quoted as harmless).

FYI --

This game did NOT contain any mods (at least in the [civ4] sense). And it is my understanding that locked assets (which is causing the current problems) is an automatic in a PBEM game. There is no way to turn it off. It is there to prevent unscrupulous players from modifying the XML to make their Warriors strength 100 before attacking your cities or some such other nonsense.

A pity, it was a fine game so far.Spoiler threads would have been nice ... :mischief:

Spoilers would have been nice but it seems we never really got started. :(

Just read Conroe post.
I play another vanilla pbem; the player who created the game, replayed his
turn,sent it to me, I replayed,sent (we are 3 there,too) and the game goes on.
Is a solution possible?
Best regards,

donsig could try resending it.

@Conroe: If we're playing on, I'll post something about my status in the game soon.

I resent the last save to fed1943. I hope it works.

If we continue I will also set up a spoiler page.

No, I cannot open the save, as I replayed donsig.

Best regards,

Would a replacement player be an option?

Perhaps start another game?

A replacement (if that's ok with fed1943) is preferable to starting over.

What changed in the last BTS patch? Was it just the dll? If that is the case, maybe someone could email a copy of the old dll and fed could do a rename / replace. Would that be an option?