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Falcon02
Apr 30, 2007, 05:51 PM
Term 2 - Office of the Warlord (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=218050) - Falcon02

We have recovered from military Weakness, but more is still to be done to ensure our supremacy.

However Military Supremacy must be balanced with Economic development and peaceful expansion.

It is my Goal that we shall fully achieve and maintain full Military Supremacy without sacrificing the more peaceful development of our infrastructure and economy.

Joe Harker
May 01, 2007, 06:29 AM
Term 2 - Office of the Warlord (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=218050) - Falcon02

We have recovered from military Weakness, but more is still to be done to ensure our supremacy.

However Military Supremacy must be balanced with Economic development and peaceful expansion.

It is my Goal that we shall fully achieve and maintain full Military Supremacy without sacrificing the more peaceful development of our infrastructure and economy.

Spot on :)

Joe Harker
May 01, 2007, 08:44 AM
We are not the most powerful, nappy is

edit, sorry didn't see your post in stragety junction thread before i posted

we are not far off though

dutchfire
May 02, 2007, 03:59 AM
I think it would be good to send 2 chariots from Riversight to city #2 (Coppertown), as Riversight is already well protected.

Falcon02
May 02, 2007, 05:23 AM
I'm going to try to come up with some preliminary instructions and French war/defense plans at some point today.

Hyronymus
May 03, 2007, 04:14 AM
I think it would be good to send 2 chariots from Riversight to city #2 (Coppertown), as Riversight is already well protected.
I concur with this, Riversight has a wide buffer for attacking units where Coppertown is directly next to an enemy town. May I also suggest that the first 2 axemen we produce get a +10% Strength bonus and are sent to NotA and Coppertown?

Falcon02
May 03, 2007, 08:44 AM
I concur with this, Riversight has a wide buffer for attacking units where Coppertown is directly next to an enemy town. May I also suggest that the first 2 axemen we produce get a +10% Strength bonus and are sent to NotA and Coppertown?

Actually looking at the save they're about equidistant. The shortest routes between Riversight and the nearest French town is 2 tiles, including 1 Hill, (directly diagonal SW of the city).

However for Coppertown the distance is again the same 2 tiles... however Coppertown is 2 tiles more to the south then Riversight is (relative to the nearest French city). This means instead of just one 2 tile route there are two 2 tile routes (ignoring zigzagging between the two main paths).

Both paths have a shortest time to attack (2 movement) of 2 turns, it would take 3 turns for a 1 movement unit to attack.

It should also be noted a Chariot can move from one city to the next in 1 turn. So if there is a more apparent threat at one then the other we should be able to respond quickly to it.

However, what does worry me more about coppertown is resources... We want to keep that copper, even though we will have Iron hooked up soon. So I say move we do what dutchfire suggests to help defend the Copper.

On the second note about Axemen.... I agree completely
Also we already have 1 axemen and he already has Combat I and Shock (+10% Strength, +25% vs. Melee)

grant2004
May 04, 2007, 01:51 PM
Warlord Falcon, the city of Riversight is ready to immediately begin military production, which units do you require for the conquest of the vile French!

Falcon02
May 04, 2007, 03:06 PM
The French have Declared War on Yasutan!!

The French sent a Galley filled with 2 Axemen and landed them on our Silver mine. A Chariot bravely defended that tile from 1 axeman, however he succumbed to the second, leaving the axeman at 4.2/5 strength.

We've got 3 main concerns here now.


Destroying the Axeman in our Borders and ensuring no more resources get pillaged
The Silver mine is lost, I have no doubt the Axeman will pillage it, and move on. The important part is making sure our Iron is well defended, without that Iron we lose military production ability. However, we'll still have our Copper, so all we'd really lose is our Swordsmen, and at this point while they have a role to play I view it as minor right now.
Making sure that the French does not call in allies in this War, or at least preparing for the possibility.
It probably won't happen, but I can't help but think about the old Domino War of Civ 3 DG1. Ever civilization that was on the continent was at war with us because Babylon declared war on us, and called in allies, who called in allies and so on. It's interesting to note, both Caesar and Bismark are Cautious with us, however Bismark is pleased with Napoleon, and Caesar is Cautious towards Napoleon. However, this is very unlikely, and even if it does occur we've got a good forest buffer. So I lean towards the second, just trying to keep in mind this may end up turning into a 2-front war... however I doubt it.
Taking Vengeance on France and Destroying them!
After #1 this is our priority. First we need to make sure all our units which are still waiting on promotions get promotions. I think our Axemen should get Shock for +25% vs. Melee, for a total of 75% bonus vs. Melee. We could also try mixing the Axemen promotions between Shock and Cover or City Raider, but I don't think that's necessary at this point. I think full Shock will be more valuable, since it doesn't look like Napoleon can produce mounted units, and Archers should be easy to take down. Chariots I'm more split on right now, either Combat I for increased strength, or Flanking I to allow for higher odds for hit and run battles, or more likely some mixture there of. We also still have a Archer in EA that needs to get it's City Garrison Promotion.

As for production I think we should focus on Axemen, with some Swordsmen and Keshiks. As stated I don't think Napoleon can produce mounted units so Spearmen would be pointless. The vast majority of their units are either Melee or Archery types, and given the Archers are still... Archers with only 3 strength, Axemen should have little problems with them. However even so, that's where the Swordsmen come in with their higher base Strength and City Raider bonus. Also Keshiks will allow for quick assaults, quick reinforcements and general support for the other units, biggest weakness is Napoleon does have Spearmen who have good odds vs. our Keshiks.


In Summary for Elders...

Production Preference
50% Axemen
25% Swordsmen
25% Keshiks

Also, on another note, we can also move to research Machinery, which will take ~13 turns. This would give us...
Crossbowmen - 6 str, 1 move, 1 First Strike, +50% Melee
Macemen - 8 str, 1 move, +50% Melee

Of course this would delay our other research goals, and probably is not necessary, but something to consider.

Joe Harker
May 05, 2007, 03:47 AM
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Also, on another note, we can also move to research Machinery, which will take ~13 turns. This would give us...
Crossbowmen - 6 str, 1 move, 1 First Strike, +50% Melee
Macemen - 8 str, 1 move, +50% Melee

Of course this would delay our other research goals, and probably is not necessary, but something to consider.


What about cats we need them as well

Hyronymus
May 05, 2007, 06:41 AM
Given the opposing French units I don't think we need Machinery that bad. Swordsman and Axeman will deal with them easily. Catapaults are something were are seriously lacking though, we need to build some soon.

Falcon02
May 05, 2007, 04:42 PM
Agreed, as stated, Machinery is more of a luxury then anything else, however Catapults are very important for city sieges.

So yes, Construction should be made a priority.

dutchfire
May 06, 2007, 03:46 AM
If we send that one chariot towards the French axeman, would that be enough to knock him out?

Note: There's a barb axe coming towards Equus Aurum

fed1943
May 06, 2007, 04:03 AM
The axeman is still stronger.

Falcon02
May 06, 2007, 04:59 AM
That One chariot probobly won't be able to do much except slow the Axeman down. IIRC it had about a 20% chance against the axeman in it's current position, better odds on level ground, but still 5 vs. 4 str.

Didn't notice the Barb near EA, gonna have to take another look at the save next chance I get.

Falcon02
May 06, 2007, 06:15 AM
Note: There's a barb axe coming towards Equus Aurum

I don't see the Axe on the map right now... though I assume since we're missing a Warrior that should be to EA's NE that the Axe killed the Warrior and is now left in the FOG, likely heading our way.

I'll keep that in mind.

Hyronymus
May 06, 2007, 06:25 AM
What does the log that Civ makes say?

robboo
May 06, 2007, 06:39 AM
Falcon... To meet your unit desires...Could you perhaps decide which cities should build what. I think my city(EA) is the furthest from the action so the keshicks may make sense in my city.

I will also see if I can up my production till this war is over. I expect alot of workers to be running from the front so I may be able to adjust some tiles quickly.

Falcon02
May 06, 2007, 06:53 AM
Hyronymus, if you're refering to losing the "missing' Warrior to a Barbarian Axeman, the Civ Log agrees.

"75 AD: While defending, your Warrior was destroyed by a Barbarian Axeman!"
Same turn as the French attack.


In relation to Roboo's question...

I think EA and Riversight should concentrate on Keshiks, and NotA and Coppertown should concentrate on Axemen.

robboo
May 06, 2007, 08:23 AM
EA is on board with building keshiks. let me know if you need anything else.(preferably in my thread as i have a busy early week with limited internet access)

dutchfire
May 06, 2007, 10:26 AM
I don't see the Axe on the map right now... though I assume since we're missing a Warrior that should be to EA's NE that the Axe killed the Warrior and is now left in the FOG, likely heading our way.

I'll keep that in mind.

It was mentioned during the Chat by Grant.

Falcon02
May 06, 2007, 10:29 AM
I tend not to skim through the chat log unless I'm looking for something in particular, and since I wasn't in attendance and it wasn't in the summary... I missed it.

But thanks for pointing that out.

DaveShack
May 06, 2007, 01:26 PM
France won't have mounted units, I'm pretty sure we had the ability to trade them horses before they declared.

A combination of crossbows and axes on the attack should be able to deal with axe and spear defenders, much more effectively than attacking with axes and keshiks. However, it would be far too many turns to finish machinery, so the alternative is 2 axes + 1 keshik vs axe + spear.

dutchfire
May 07, 2007, 08:56 AM
France won't have mounted units, I'm pretty sure we had the ability to trade them horses before they declared.


Correct

And we will most likely be facing mostly archers.

dutchfire
May 12, 2007, 10:08 AM
Dear Warlord Falcon02,

Which cities do you think we will capture in the near future? Might it be wise to send some Keshiks to the Barbarian city near the Indecisive Lakes? It's placed in a good position, and I'd like to capture it. Marseille shouldn't be attacked IMO, it's harmless to us, and capturing it will cost us maintenance, while razing it will open up space for Caesar and Bismarck. Lyons should be taken in my opinion, as it's a good city, and hardly defended. Orleans would be nice to have too, but I think we should see how well it is defended.

Dutchfire
Interested citizen and Elder hoping for a new city to rule :D

Falcon02
May 12, 2007, 10:13 AM
Lyons is definately in my plans, we could probobly take it now, but I'm inclined to wait till we can add 1-2 more units to the stack, though I want another look at the save before I decide that for sure. As for Orleans as time and units allow, but I do intend to take it.

As for Marsaille, I agree, it's not a major priority right now, though we may double back to get it.

As for the Barbarian city, I do agree in taking it, not sure of the timing though. Our first priority is making sure the French Galleys (or more specifically their passengers) are dealt with before we start redistributing many of the Keshiks in the East to Western Offensives.

dutchfire
May 12, 2007, 10:44 AM
By the way, as Elder of NoneOfTheAbove, I can probably provide 5 units during the next turnchat. I'm thinking of an Axeman to send to the French landing site, 2 catapults to use against Orleans, a Keshik and another axeman.

Do you agree with these units?

Falcon02
May 12, 2007, 10:45 AM
Sounds good to me

Joe Harker
May 13, 2007, 02:23 PM
I don't mean to be a pain in the neck, but could you post information on what our miltary strength is and where they are stationed, i haven't been able to access the save. (stupid computers!:badcomp:)

Falcon02
May 13, 2007, 02:46 PM
Power Graph
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8766/civilization42007051116ee3.png

Army Size
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/374/civilization42007051316ml4.png

I'll try to post more detailed Unit locations later.

Falcon02
May 13, 2007, 06:50 PM
Unit Support
Free Support for 16 units, we have 33 units, with a -7 handicap. Total unit upkeep 10 gpt.
Our Treasury is at 76 gold with -2 gpt right now.



Unit Distribution
Rhiems
- 3 Axemen

Coppertown
- 1 Chariot
- 2 Warriors

Riversight
- 1 Axeman
- 1 Chariot
- 1 Archer
- 1 Warrior

None of the Above
- 4 Keshiks
- 1 Warrior

Equus Aurum
- 1 Archer
- 1 Chariot


Outside cities
Silver Hill near NotA
- 2 Keshiks

Iron near NotA
- 1 Keshik

In general between NotA and EA
- 1 Catapult (2 tiles East of EA)
- 1 Keshik (2 tiles NE of NotA)

Hill directly SE of Lyons
- 2 Axemen

Hill 2 tiles south, 1 east of Marsailles
- 1 Chariot

1 tile south of Banana City location
- 1 Axeman (providing escort for Settler)

Fog Buster approx. 5 tiles North of EA
- 1 Warrior





Known Enemy Defenses
Marseilles
- 2 Archers (1 - City Garrison I)

Lyons
- 1 Archer
- 1 Spearman (Combat I)

Galleys SE of Iron
- 2 Spearmen (both with Combat II)
- 2 Axemen (1 - Combat I, 1 - Combat I and Cover)

fed1943
May 14, 2007, 02:43 AM
Take Lyons,as soon as you can.

Their great tool is superior mobility; if we control Lyons place, they lose ground
interior lines and their galleys become isolated.

Best regards,

Joe Harker
May 14, 2007, 09:19 AM
Thanks for the info :goodjob:

Joe Harker
May 15, 2007, 09:15 AM
Warlord,

Is there a current tech you would like researched (after machinery) to help in the destruction of the French?

Falcon02
May 15, 2007, 10:10 AM
I say back to peaceful, infrastructure centered techs.

Literature, Drama, Calender, etc.

dutchfire
May 15, 2007, 10:13 AM
Are we planning on building the Great Library (in NoneOfTheAbove probably), if we do, we should time it with the birth of our first Great Prophet, so we don't end up without a prophet.

robboo
May 16, 2007, 10:36 AM
Falcon...what do you want in way of units from EA. I would like to maybe sneak in a non-unit build if possible but we will keep building nothing but units if thats what you need.

Falcon02
May 16, 2007, 10:42 AM
We're coming to the end of unit production, I'd say maybe 1 Axe to be prepared for the French landing, maybe another Catapult, and then get back to the important stuff.

chessplayer
May 18, 2007, 08:07 AM
monarchy seems best if we are going to have a prolonged war.

Bertie
May 19, 2007, 04:01 PM
Warlord,

Might I suggest you request some Macemen be built? If we continue our war with France they will be invaluable. If we sue for peace, Rome with its fierce Praetorians is rubbing up against our borders. It's possible they'll covet our land and declare war. Macemen are a good counter to Praetorians.

Thanks for your consideration.

Falcon02
May 25, 2007, 05:11 PM
I'm thinking now diverting forces to the Barbarian City was not the best choice, as Paris seems to be more heavily fortified then I expected.

Also, several units appear to be diverted to Marsailles which was not my intention yet.

dutchfire
May 26, 2007, 06:29 AM
Make sure you to post your instructions for the new turnchat in time :D

Hyronymus
May 26, 2007, 12:40 PM
I'm thinking now diverting forces to the Barbarian City was not the best choice, as Paris seems to be more heavily fortified then I expected.

Also, several units appear to be diverted to Marsailles which was not my intention yet.
The instructions were lacking for Marseille. I therefor took the liberty to split of a few units and send them to Marseille. Of those units there we can withdraw the Axeman and send it towards Paris.

Falcon02
May 26, 2007, 11:08 PM
In the future, please be more careful about where you consider "my instructions were lacking."

I specifically requested the units I did for the Barbarian city because I felt Marsailles could wait for now particularly due to looking at the previous save I saw Hill + 2 archers with City Garrison I + bonus city defense. I felt a small detachment would be better sent elsewhere for the time being, a larger force could be sent to Marsailles after the peninsula was taken. I wanted the rest to go on to Paris to give us a better chance there.

Also after requesting units to go to the Barbarian city I said

"Push the rest onward down the peninsula."

Technically diverting units from the main stack bypassed this instruction. However Newly built units I feel the DP has the right to divert where they want (unless specified) as such gathering a force against Marseilles (since I also said originally in general "continue to press the war") would have been appropriate.

Sometimes instructions may not say something about something because the official missed it, and sometimes they purposely exclude it because otherwise they'd have to designate not only what to do but a long list of everything NOT to do. It's a thin line all DP's walk, what's not mentioned due to something an official forgot to mention, or didn't intend any action to be taken, but didn't think it was necessary to specifically clarify.

The latter is what happened in this case.

dutchfire
May 27, 2007, 02:59 AM
Falcon, do you want NOTA to build some more troops (macemen would be best)?

Falcon02
May 27, 2007, 03:06 AM
Yes some macemen would definitely be appreciated.

Falcon02
May 28, 2007, 06:36 AM
I must say this war between Rome and Germany worries me.

Caesar is far more powerful then Germany is, and is likely to only gain power from this war as he slowly consumes Bismark.

However, we are well overdue for a period of economic development.

So I suggest once the French war is over we keep an eye on Caesar while we start the economic recovery.