Please read the sticky about NESs if you do not know what one is.

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I am beginning a new NES(I know what you're thinking, not another one!) because I think that combat is unfairly regulated in others, as the decision maker usually plays a country.

In this one, the only countries I will control are those without players, and I will do this only in the capacity of defending themselves, and possibly limited diplomatic negotiations. While judging combat against these, I will be completely fair, a raid against a nation without a leader is very likely to succeed. But if you try a total invasion, then I will no longer make them a pushover, as a nation even if it hasn't got a leader will fight if it is invaded.

TECH LEVELS

We advance one tech level every Sunday at midnight GMT. For simplicity, your army is only made up of one type of unit, and your navy the same(until aircraft carriers), and as you advance, it automatically upgrades.

When you reach the atomic age, you receive an air force and aircraft carriers. The numbers of planes and carriers you receive will be posted by me when the time comes.

A nation with a more advanced army or navy has a better chance in combat, but start with 100 less ships or regiments. This is made up for by those who begin in medieval, instead of advancing into another age when those still in atomic upgrade to modern, get the extra 100 back, either as planes, ships or regiments.

ie; Britain advances to the modern age ahead of China. On the Sunday when China advances to the modern age, instead of advancing to another age(there isn't another one), the British instead get an extra 100 planes, ships or regiments. Which one they receive is their choice.

ANCIENT AGE
Army: spearmen Navy: galleys

MEDIEVAL AGE
Army: knights Navy: frigates

NAPOLEONIC AGE
Army: musketmen Navy: ships of the line

VICTORIAN AGE
Army: riflemen Navy: ironclad

IMPERIAL AGE
Army: infantry Navy:dreadnought

ATOMIC AGE
Army: tanks Navy: battleships and carriers Air Force: fighter-bombers

MODERN AGE
Army: modern armour Navy: AEGIS cruisers and supercarriers Air Force: jet fighter-bombers

When modern age is reached, the game stays in that age until the end. Those already there and waiting for those behind to advance get a 100 unit boost instead of advancing, as talked about above. You only get this boost once. Countries which begin in the ancient age never get this boost.

You may wish to name your type of unit something else, ie; samurai for Japan instead of knights, or panzers for Germany instead of tanks. These will be allowed, but they will still fight as if they were the unit they are replacing.


TIME

One year in the game is one real day. Every seven game years, you advance one age(as mentioned above).

This page will be updated every day hopefully, and have a big update once a week, on Sunday or Monday night.


UNIT COMPOSITION

Regiment= 1,000 men
Division= 10,000 men


COMBAT

When you invade somewhere, or fight a country, say what forces you will use. Then the enemy must say what forces they will use. If the attack is against a non-playing country, I will decide the opposing forces. These will usually be small numbers unless you specifically want to hunt down a large group or you are attacking their capital.

Also expect sometimes that there will be natives in places you colonise. If there is, and they are hostile, then I will tell you, and they will probably begin to attack your forces. However, they are usually primitive, and not much of a threat.

Men and ships lost are only replaced on Sunday midnight GMT, when you advance one tech level.

COUNTRIES

Apart from the boost of 100 in the modern age for the more advanced countries(see above) so that all are equal, no one may have a larger army or navy than is listed here for them.

Notice that those who begin in medieval have a total of 900 ships and regiments, and those who begin in ancient have 1000 in total. This is why the more advanced get the boost in the modern age.

Please note this is not based on actual world history.

GREAT BRITAIN
Leader: King Blackadder(Dexter)
Capital: London
Army: 15 divisions(150 regiments or 150,000 men)
Navy: 750 ships not including transports
Tech Level: Medieval

FRANCE
Leader: King Monrique de Bourbon IV(Toasty)
Capital: Paris
Army: 65 divisions(650 regiments or 650,000 men)
Navy: 250 ships not including transports
Tech Level: Medieval

GERMANY
Leader: King Haakon Magnusson(wilboman)
Capital: Berlin
Army: 70 divisions(700 regiments or 700,000 men)
Navy: 200 ships not including transports
Tech Level: Medieval

ROME
Leader: Caesar Augustus(Bill_in_PDX)
Capital: Rome
Army: 45 divisions(450 regiments or 450,000 men)
Navy: 450 ships not including transports
Tech Level: Medieval

RUSSIA
Leader: Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich Romanov (Sulla)
Capital: Moscow
Army: 95 divisions(950 regiments or 950,000 men)
Navy: 50 ships not including transports
Tech Level: Ancient

SPAIN
Leader: Rey Juan Carlos II(Kwansn)
Capital: Madrid
Army: 50 divisions(500 regiments or 500,000 men)
Navy: 400 ships not including transports
Tech Level: Medieval

OTTOMAN TURKEY
Leader: Mehmed Pasha(Das)
Capital: Istanbul
Army: 80 divisions(800 regiments or 800,000 men)
Navy: 200 ships not including transports
Tech Level: Ancient

SWEDEN
Leader: Emperor Hans Hickthen(SKILORD)
Capital: Stockholm
Army: 60 divisions(600 regiments or 600,000 men)
Navy: 300 ships not including transports
Tech Level: Medieval

EGYPT
Leader: ?
Capital: Cairo
Army: 85 divisions(850 regiments or 850,000 men)
Navy: 150 ships not including transports
Tech Level: Ancient

AMERICA
Leader: President Al Gore(sealman)
Capital: Washington
Army: 40 divisions(400 regiments or 400,000 men)
Navy: 500 ships not including transports
Tech Level: Medieval

INDIA
Leader: ?
Capital: Delhi or New Delhi, player decides
Army: 90 divisions(900 regiments or 900,000 men)
Navy: 100 ships not including transports
Tech Level: Ancient

CHINA
Leader: ?
Capital: Beijing or Shanghai, player decides
Army: 98 divisions(980 regiments or 980,000 men)
Navy: 20 ships, not including transports
Tech Level: Ancient

JAPAN
Leader: Shogun Nagasaki(Admiral Super)
Capital: Kyoto or Tokyo, player decides
Army: 35 divisions(350 regiments or 350,000 men)
Navy: 550 ships not including transports
Tech Level: Medieval

PERSIA
Leader: King Darius the Great(The Troquelet)
Capital: Persepolis
Army: 70 divisions(700 regiments or 700,000 men)
Navy: 300 ships not including transports
Tech Level: Ancient


SECRET SERVICE

Each nation starts with a powerful Secret Service, with agents in every country.

You can always get intelligence estimates from these agents by PMing me, saying whether you want a vague or specific report.

Vague reports are ones such as "If a division of mine fought a division of theirs, who would win?" or "What are their important military production areas?" etc. These reports have no risk factor, they are always safe to ask however many times you may ask questions, even it it is about the same country.

Specific reports are ones such as "Would I be able to take Ireland from Britain?" or "How much damage would a Secret Service raid on Portsmouth Harbour do?". One of these on a nation has a small risk factor of being discovered, with the risk factor increasing the more times you enqiure about that country.

The risk factor is the risk that the agent may be caught, or what you asked discovered. If an agent is caught, he may or may not tell what nation he came from, and he may or may not reveal the question that he was asked to find out the answer to. Caught agents are replaced easily, but if the captured agent had revealed the nation he came from, then there can be severe diplomatic problems arising from this, possibly even war. Knowing his mission can prepare an enemy for what is coming, and possibly even make them act first.

Be warned that estimates are just that, they're not always accurate.

The final way your Secret Service can be used is in sabotage. You can attack a barracks, shipyard, air field or storage dump of your enemy to destroy their weapons, ships, aircraft or stores, thus causing them to lose men, planes or ships until it is repaired. The length of time to repair it can vary, as can the damage done. Targets can be acquired by asking a vague question about that nation's important military areas. These sabotage missions carry high risk factors of the agent being discovered and of their mission being revealed. And be warned, if the agent is discovered and reveals where he's from, there's bound to be a war.


PUBLIC AND SECRET TALKS

Secret talks between countries can be had by Personal Messaging(PM) each other. Only public announcements should be posted here, and any reflection on your leader than you would like others to see("Alexander was crushed by the defeat. How could he have lost?! It didn't seem possible to him. But he would get revenge."), and of course your military actions. By military actions I mean those that are to take place, special service actions should be PMed to me, not posted.


MAP OF THE WORLD IN 1506(Please see the link below it for a map of the world in older times)

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/uknesmap9.jpg

MAP OF THE WORLD IN 1500
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/uknesmap1.jpg

MAP OF THE WORLD IN 1501
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/uknesmap3.jpg

MAP OF THE WORLD IN 1502
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/uknesmap3.jpg

MAP OF THE WORLD IN 1505
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/uknesmap8.jpg


If anyone has any questions, or I have made any mistakes above, or would like to change/add rules, please say so!

Good luck and have fun!

Nemesis

I will take head of the Bourbon Monarchy as King Monrique D'esoleil! The first movement of my blue-blooded family will be to sail in exploration of a land called Africa and place some of our fine peasants there. Also, we will become the official cartographers for nations with the creation of your first map.

The world at the dawn of Medieval times:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/uknesmap1.jpg

Thanks Toasty!

Bourbon, which country is that?! France? I can't remember! :o

Nemesis

Bourbon is French but I would hope you could tell by the name ;).

Found it now! I wasn't sure lol

Anyway, updating the list now

Nemesis

Confusion is understandable; the Bourbons later became kings of Spain as well. In fact, the current Spanish monarch, Juan Carlos, is a member of the house of Bourbon.

But yes, for this game, the House of Bourbon refers to France. :goodjob:

I was thinking of something similar, where the game starter is not really a player but more of a moderator. I may join in at a later date, having a bit of trouble following 3 games at once.

(I do feel a bigger sense of purpose having a thread deemed "sticky" worthy. more appreciation than I get at work:D )

Back to your concept. As the moderator of this thread, will you also be handling black ops? I have noticed in some threads, where I want to initiate some sort of clandestine operation against another state, to say so in the posts would tell everyone what I am doing. With the mod, one would be able to PM you and then you can post an 'intellegence brief' saying what the other player in doing. Just an idea.

King Ramses VIII
Tzar Alekzandr Romanov
King Constintine

Ah what the *****. Give me the Americans where I can impose my own Maniest Destiny!
:lol:

What will your name be, sealman?

And as for PMing me, I had already planned on people being able to PM me and ask how well an operation might go against an enemy, as this kind of info would be secretly available to a ruler from his Secret Service.

But you idea of special ops is intriguing as well, and I think I will implement it. Basically, each nation will start with a powerful Secret Service, with agents in every country.

You can always get intelligence estimates from these agents by PMing me, saying whether you want a vague or specific report.

Vague reports are ones such as "If a division of mine fought a division of theirs, who would win?" or "What are their important military production areas?" etc. These reports have no risk factor, they are always safe to ask however many times you may ask questions, even it it is about the same country.

Specific reports are ones such as "Would I be able to take Ireland from Britain?" or "How much damage would a Secret Service raid on Portsmouth Harbour do?". One of these on a nation has a small risk factor of being discovered, with the risk factor increasing the more times you enqiure about that country.

The risk factor is the risk that the agent may be caught, or what you asked discovered. If an agent is caught, he may or may not tell what nation he came from, and he may or may not reveal the question that he was asked to find out the answer to. Caught agents are replaced easily, but if the captured agent had revealed the nation he came from, then there can be severe diplomatic problems arising from this, possibly even war. Knowing his mission can prepare an enemy for what is coming, and possibly even make them act first.

Be warned that estimates are just that, they're not always accurate.

The final way your Secret Service can be used is in sabotage. You can attack a barracks, shipyard, air field or storage dump of your enemy to destroy their weapons, ships, aircraft or stores, thus causing them to lose men, planes or ships until it is repaired. The length of time to repair it can vary, as can the damage done. Targets can be acquired by asking a vague question about that nation's important military areas. These sabotage missions carry high risk factors of the agent being discovered and of their mission being revealed. And be warned, if the agent is discovered and reveals where he's from, there's bound to be a war.

And thanks sealman for that idea!

Nemesis

If people in Boward County, Florida knew how to read their ballots, Al Gore would have been president so I will be him.:rolleyes:

Note: This is in no means a bashing of Gore, Bush or the people of Boward County. This is also no means an indication of my preference to who I would have rather seen in the White House. Just wanted to claify.:p

I realise I also forgot one very important thing.

Secret talks between countries can be had by Personal Messaging(PM) each other. Only public announcements should be posted here, and any reflection on your leader than you would like others to see("Alexander was crushed by the defeat. How could he have lost?! It didn't seem possible to him. But he would get revenge."), and of course your military actions. By military actions I mean those that are to take place, special service actions should be PMed to me, not posted.

Nemesis

(bump)

When are we gonna get this thing rolling? Come on people, this is the best NES there is!

Hello all,

If you will have me, and if the great uknemisis can keep this game under control, fleshing out anyone who tries to use multiple screen names, while including people who can write (at least better than I do! :crazyeye: ), then I would like to join.

Please give me Rome, and call me Caeser Augustus

Bill

Of course we'll have you! :p

I promise that when I reveal the results of combat, I will write it as if it were in one of my stories, maybe with fewer people mentioned, but still an action report rather than just statistics.

As for anyone who tries to use multiple screen names, well I can't actually judge whether or not someone is using them, as I'm not a moderator who can check IPs, but I promise if it appears that someone is cheating in any way, then I'll do what I can. If that means altering combat reports slightly in their enemy's favour, then I'll do it :p

Anyway, the game will begin as soon as we have one or two more players. The ages will begin from this Sunday, so next week you will all still be in the ages you start in, but then on the next Sunday you will begin advancing.

So we've got until this Sunday to get one or two more players, then I begin regardless :D

Nemesis

I would like to propose that only one of Jason/The Diciple/Radramon can join because they are at the very least close friends and if not they are the same person. I would also like to prohibit xtreamskier27 from joining for his 'xtream' lack of cooperation last game :mad:.

I'm dissapointed that this game isn't getting many players too; it seems by far the best way to regulate the very interesting concept of the NES. Perhaps I can get you some more publicity by posting a thread about it in some other forums.

Since I expect to have some more time on my hands soon, I may as well throw my hat into the ring as well. :) I will take the Russians since no one else has gone for them. I'll go with Mikhail (Michael) Romanov as the leader name to start, as he was the first Romanov tsar. :goodjob:

Thanks Sulla!

The game is due to start tonight(GMT), so hopefully we'll get more players before then. If not, then we will start regardless and others can join later.

Nemesis

I would like to experience a deeper level of play in CIV3, but i quite don't get the concept of a NES game. What is it about? Is it actually a CIV3 game, played within the game? It looks more like some variation of an RPG to me.

Can someone explain me the idea of it, how it work in a general way? Because merely reading the rules for this game didn't tell me much about how the concept works.

If i can get the info, it's preety likely that'll join it.

Thanx.

Rey Juan Carlos II. emerged as leader of medieval Spain at the age of 25. His father died fighting rebel peasants near Huesca. While being still young he already was a formidable knight and had won several important tournaments in France and Germany. One year into his reign he had defeated the rebels and consolidated his power.

Just in case i can't post more today:
Now the time is ripe to conquer the world!
Most of his knights are used to secure his lands and to maintain the "Ley Royal", the royal laws, in Spain, while the fleet does the same around Spain.
He sends out two expeditions:
- One south to Marrocco under command of Senor Cortez (one division of knights, along with several settlers) to meet any egypt expansion.
- One southwest to South America under command of Senor Ortega (two divisions of knights, along with several settlers) to secure the incredible riches that are most likely to be found there.

This sounds like a great idea!! I'll happily join-in.

King Blackadder of Great Britain. The mightiest and most reveared of men!

First Acts:
- Send 3 divisions of troops led by Lord Ducksworth with settler's to form colonies in Saudi Arabia.
- Send 3 divisions of troops led by Lord Ponsonberry with settler's to build colonies in Canada
- Send 100 ships led by Lord Gregory to monitor the sea's around Arabia.
- Deploy 3 divisions, 2 regiments and 200 ships to attempt to colonise South America.
Total forces deployed: 92,000 troop's, 300 ships.

That'll be all.
Long Live The King!!


(I hope I did this right, it's my first time!! thanx)

I have not posted any moves because I believe we have not started yet correct?

It begins from now, so those moves are all fine. You may all begin posting moves.

Welcome Dexter, and yes you did that right!

Fredlc, it is mostly like an RPG yes, and no it isn't based on any Civ3 game.

I hope you will join us soon!

Nemesis

Mikhail Romanov paced back and forth pensively across the large room where he conducted his state affairs. He did not notice the crackling fire in the massive stone fireplace that heated the room from the incredible cold of the Russian winter, or the fine bearskin rug that covered the rough and uneven floor. Indeed, Mikhail was so wrapped up in his thoughts that he didn't even notice when Sergeyev, his foreign advisor, slipped into the room. After waiting silently to be noticed for several minutes, Sergeyev cleared his throat rather noisily, snapping the tsar out of his repose.

"What? Oh, it's you. Do you have news for me, Segeyev?" asked Mikhail. "It had better be important to disturb me."

"Oh, but it is my Lord," replied his advisor. "We have received news that the British have begun to establish colonies in the deserts of Arabia, the frozen tundras of Canada, and the unexplored wilderness of the southern continent of America. What action shall we take, Lord?"

"They want colonies in Canada, eh? Well we have enough frozen land for the whole world up here in Russia," laughed Mikhail. He was a jovial man for the most part, although like the tsars before him allowing no room for opposition or dissent. "I care not what actions they choose to take in such far-off parts of the world. But if the British have begun to colonize the world, it is only a matter of time before the other nations join them. And I have no intention of seeing Russia weakened as the rest of the world passes her by."

"Of course not sire," Sergeyev chimed in helpfully.

"Then issue this declaration to all other nations that are interested in colonization: (Sergeyev began taking notes furiously to catch the tsar's dictation)

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To the Nations of the World:
The Russian people have begun their own expansion to claim their rightful place among the world's powers. Our people are primitive compared to much of the world, but our numbers are great and our mission clear. We seek conflict with no nation, and support an honorable division of the world's spoils. But by the same token, let it be known that the Russian people will fulfill their divine destiny to build an empire that stretches clear to the Pacific Ocean. Any nation that attempts to interfere with our internal affairs or subvert the lawful rule of the Tsar will be dealt with harshly. We pray that Russia may enjoy peaceful relations with the world for all time.

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"The Pacific, sire? Isn't that a long way away?" asked Sergeyev when Mikhail was finished.

"It never hurts to be optimistic," repiled the tsar. "And remember that the Russian people will still be here, expanding and pushing outward long after you and I have passed from this world. Now, specifically I want 10 divisions of our warriors and a large group of colonists to secure as much of the Caucasus region as possible. This will give us more port cities on both the Black and Caspian Seas. Secondly, I want another 10 divisions to secure the remaining portions of the White Sea not already under our control. Finally, I want 30 divisions and every other settler we have to begin the great Russian drive to the east! With luck, we can reach the Urals and beyond within a few years."

"Yes, my Lord Tsar. I will send the orders immediately." As Segeyev looked back at his lord, he noticed Mikhail was again pacing back and forth in front of the fireplace, muttering to himself about reaching the Pacific. Will we really ever get there? I wonder... though the foreign advisor. A gust of frigid air drifted in from another part of the Kremlin, causing him to shiver and bringing him back to reality. For now he had some letters to send to far-off capitols!

(Out of character (OOC)): I'm wondering one thing - do we have to post that we are researching various techs, which can be somewhat tedious, or can I simply assume that my people are making advances as time goes along? For example, I'm in the early stages so I obviously have nothing but warrior and settler right now. But do I have to say "I'm researching iron" or can I assume that by Sunday I have swordsmen? It would be nice to avoid having to spam the thread with lots of posts on tech research, but I will go with whatever uknemesis' plan is. :)

The America Director of Expansion enters the oval office to speak with Gore.

"Sir, Our agents in England and Spain have begun to send out colonist to being claiming the lands that are rightfully ours."

"That could be a problem. inisitate expansion plans now!"

With that statement American Settlers set out, with 4 divisions of troops to the following locale:

The Island of Cuba,
The Isthmus of Panama
North along the Atlantic Coast
and Westwards towards the Pacific.

(OCC: Again, I would have begun my movements earlierhad I thought we were up and running. I was under some impression that we were waiting for a few more players.
fredlc: the sticky on NES games might be helpful to understand the concept a little better and maybe reading a bit of the other games in progress. Remeber that the whole concept is still very young.)


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To: European Powers with Designs of North American Conquest

Regading your designs in the American colonies, please be advised that any incursions into the lands that our rightfully ours, it will be seen as a hostile act. Lands of the Southern Continent are yours should you desire but the North is off limits.

Sincerly, President Gore, America

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To: Tzar Romanov

Your highness,

The American people have heard of your goals to stretch from the Baltic Sea to the Pacific and wish you well. As our countries goals do not conflict, we wish to enter into an alliance. England and Spain appear to have designs on our lands and we belive that they also harbor intensions of grabing the lands that Russia has laid claims to. We do not wish war with either nation and feel that an alliance between our two nations will help to snuff out war, well before tensions rise.

Sincerly, President Gore, America

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Roman History Begins

Ceasar Augustus was both dictator and head of the republic. True, the Senate existed, and was indeed fairly elected by the citizens of the Empire, but it served in reality as only an advisory body to the Ceasar.

Total power was held in the hands of Augustus, but as of yet, he had not given in to the evils of it all. Ascending to the throne upon the death of his father, Augustus took his responsibilities to the people, and the greater good of Rome, seriously.

From his balcony, in the royal residence, high in the the Latium hillside, he could look down on the city of Rome in all of it's splendor. The Tiber River, which began the economy of this area over 2,000 years prior to this moment, ran through the city. These very hills were bound to the north by the Euturia provice, which was rich with minerals including iron, gems, and gold. To his south, were the rich farmlands of Campania, containing wheat, game, and fine furs.

The city itself was considered on the cutting edge of science and the marketplace. Rome, the Empire, was smaller than many nation states, but it had kept up with the times, and boasted a high level of satisfaction in the population. Augustus intended to keep it that way, and forge a fair and noble path to the world stage.

The military arm of Rome consisted of the mighty Legionary. Over 450,000 brave souls made up an order of battle:

30 Legion Divisions
12 Legion Knight Divisions
3 Ceasar's Brigade Divisions (based in Rome, they were elite Legions)

The army was commanded by proven and loyal General Maximianus, hero of the wars with Carinus. Based in Rome maintaining the strategic reserve of 8 Knights and 4 Legions, Maximianus deployed his army in strength to defending the northern borders, that afforded much protection due to the Alps.

5 Legions were maintained in Sicily, though 2 were prepared for duties elsewhere. 1 Legion each was currently based in Malta, Corsica, and Sardinia.

The Roman Navy was the strongest in the Mediterrainian. Boasting 450 combat worthy sea vessels. Admiral Venito, based in Naples, commanded his Flagship CNS Caesar, the largest Frigate in the Med, and while not as powerful as the rumored English "Man-o-War", this ship was quite capable in it's right. The main battle fleet was currently supporting all holdings, divided into four Fleets.

The Northern Fleet, based in Genoa, consisted of 150 Frigates
The Adriatic Fleet, based in Venice, consisted of 75 Frigates
The Southern Fleet, based in Taranto, was the largest with 175 Frigates, but it also held responsibility for the most area.
Caesar's Fleet, which Venito personally commanded, consisted of 50 of the the latest designs in the Navy.

Augustus knew his armed forces, in terms of talent, were on par with anything in the known world. His objectives were to maintain Rome as a respected nation, and to colonize....

To that end, the Caesar Fleet had just left a moorage at Palermo, Sicily. Transiting to the African continent. Caesar would establish new colonies in the Territories of Tunis and Tripoli, claiming them in the name of Rome. Accompaning these settlers would be two Legions.

That was the easy task, thought Augustus, more arduous would be the 25 ships of the southern fleet which would escort two more settlers, and two legions from the northern armies, who would embark on the great Caesar Colonization Plan. To the seas, outside of Gibraltar, following the African coast to the fertile valleys of the Niger River. From there, the Legion would secure a path, along the Niger, through Lake Chad, northward to his new holdings in North Africa. Casaer was hopeful that his initial colonization would bring the majority of western Africa, and it's vast mineral, resource, and luxury weath, under his control.

Augustus smiled as he watched the ships depart...let the others colonize the worlds continents across vast seas. I will realize my father's dream and build a mighty empire here at the center of the world...

Later tonight I will post a new map of the latest expansions(with that map that Toasty made, I can now edit it easily). You can advance quite a way in one day, as it is one year, and I think you will be pleasantly surprised how far you expand, as it takes long enough to let everyone get colonies, even some later players, but not too slow that it becomes boring.

As for techs, to make it much simpler, you don't have to say anything that you research. As soon as you enter a new age(which will begin the Sunday after this coming one, unless everyone wants to advance this Sunday), you get all of the advances of that era, which don't have any real effect as for each age your army and navy are made up of one type of unit for simplicity. ie; for Ancient, your army is made of spearmen and your navy of galleys, and for Atomic, your army is made of tanks, and your navy of battleships. Be aware the ages are different to those of Civ3, please check the rules for the 7 ages(6 for more advanced nations).

Also, don't forget that you can get intelligence estimates by personal messaging(PM) me, or even Secret Service sabotage attacks. Also you can have private talks with another nation by PMing them.

Good luck to all!

Nemesis

Oh, and despite the fact that I will treat your army and navy as if they were the units that are laid down in the age advance table, you can rename them, and even have your special units if you want(such as Augustus's elite Legions, they will still fight as if they were normal knights when it comes to combat, but I will describe them differently). Simply put, you could have an army of ants if you really want, and if you're in ancient, they'll have the same combat value as if they were spearmen, or tanks in the atomic age, although they would be described as ants in the description.

But please don't have ants, it makes the description too hard to make believable!

And this also means that if the English have the Man O' War, it will still fight like a frigate if that's what it replaces, but it would be described as a Man O' War.

But each nation might get a small bonus in my combat reports if it is well known for that skill, ie; the British would probably get a bit of a naval bonus(for obvious reasons), the Russians would probably get a large bonus if fighting in sub-zero temperatures(due to being used to the bitter Russian winter), and America might get a bonus for overseas operations(due to their role as world peacekeeper at the moment).

Nemesis

King Monrique d'Esoleil was, in no doubt, the rightful heir to the throne of the Bourbons. However, there was a grat deal of doubt to his intelligence. A large part of his cabinet resented him, but they realized that patriotism for the Fleur de Ils still stirred among the noblety.

In a meeting in the palace of Versailles, he had his domestic advisor, Emilee Luc, His military advisor, Tybalt d'Ore, and his foreign advisor, Pierre Criestl.

Morique began. "A lot of the peasants seem to doubt that we are truly the heirs to the Bourbon throne by our last name being Esoleil. Thus, Emilee, I need you to put up new propaganda posters with our recently-discovered printing press technology changing my name to Monrique de Broubon IV."
"But sir," Pierre began, "won't some foreign powers be confused by-"
"Quiet! My true matters are here, in Paris and France. It should not matter that foreign powers may be confused! I will have my name changed! NOW!"

The actual reason for Monrique's last name being d'Esoleil was that his mother, a crazed woman by the name of Jenevive who was disowned by the last king, Louis X, had married a farmer by the name of Jean-Marie d'Esoleil, a madman of monstrous proportions. The result of their marriage being Monrique, and after a bloody coup, no heir was appearant, so Jenevive spoke up and had Monrique be put on the throne as the last of the Bourbons. Of course, having both morons for parents, the apple didn't fall far from the tree.

"As for another matter. There have been claims by the Americans that they will be resisting any and all European colonisation. We can aggrivate them by founding colonies on la Delta du Mississippi and on the islands of Hispanola and Les Peu d'Antilles. I want my ships that are currently sailing through Africa to round it and settle on the Mekong. Since we currently have 2 divisions heading for Asia (20,000 men), put 2 divisions with the ones heading for the Caribbean (40,000 men on two seperate convoys). I also want colonies along la Fleuve de Rue Laurent, and great numbers, so send 6 divisions along with a large number of settlers with them. Since need to re-send and African convoy, so pair 2 divisions to settle on La Côte d'Ivoire.
"Tybalt, just how many troops have I sent with my ramblings? How many are remaining?"
Tybalt had been scribbling and working his brain so hard that he was panting when Monrique (now Bourboun IV) asked him. "Uh, that would (pant) add up to about (pant) 14 regiments, sire (pant) leaving us with about (pant) 510,000 troops at home."
Good good, I think we've got it all covered then.
"But sire," Emilee began, "Sending out so many colonists could cause a population deficiency and a worker crisis at home."
"Quiet, dirty wrench! I will not be defied! The less political enemies I have, the better! Now get to work on changing my name and those propagando posters! Tybalt, get my troops ready! And Pierre, just go away, you useless slug."
Emilee mumbled about where he got sending colonists would remove his political enemies on her way out.
It was good to have the Bourbons back, Monrique thought, as he laid back in his chair.
(OOC: The colonists were sent to the Lesser Antilles, Hispaniola, the mouth of the St. Lawrence, Cambodia, the Mississipi delta, and the Ivory Coast.)

Surely it would actually leave you with 510,000 troops at home?!

And how many men are in your divisions, since you say "2 divisions, in all 4,000 men". Are your divisions 2,000 people strong each, and so not going by the table of troop organisations above, but your own, or are you sticking to the 10,000 men per divisions, 1,000 per regiment style?

Nemesis

*scratches head* Is that how it goes? I'm in too many NESs. I'll fix the numbers....

If you're putting regiments instead of divisions, then you'd actually still have 636,000 troops at home, or 636 regiments, as France begins with 650 regiments(65 divisions) and 250 ships.

Anyway, do you want to send divisions(100,000 troops) or regiments(10,000 troops) to each of these? Most people seem to be sending full divisions.

Just answer, don't bother correcting the above post, I know what you mean.

Nemesis

I guess I would mean divisions. So that means that I sent out 20,000 where I meant 2,000, sending out 140,000 men. Sorry for my inefficiency, I guess I need to read more carefully.

Don't worry about it, I was just confused as to how many men might be fighting in Canada(Britain, America and France are all trying to go to the same area!) if tensions increase there.

Anyway, thanks for clearing that up.

Map and (mainly against natives or pirates) combat reports will be posted tonight.

And no intelligence reports to write, so it seems that everyone is being peaceful and nice at the moment. :p

Nemesis

To: Al Gore
From: King Blackadder of Britain
Dear Gore,
I understand your obvious worries about British expansion into new lands and so does much of the world, but is it truley right that a nation with such sub-standard qualities as your own dare to question our movements? Your claims of that land being rightfully yours is quite frankly ludicrous! I demand an instant apology or I shall have to send some men across there to sort you out!
Good-day!!

To: Rome, Spain and France
From: King Blackadder of Britain
My friends, already we have have witnessed a clear act of aggression by our so called American friends!! They have already attempted to box us in by calling for an alliance with Russia. This is quite obviously an act of war, their false propaganda concerning our wants to control Russian territory are entirely uncalled for!
We must demand an apology for these coments immediately! And if none comes then we should teach the ignorant American's a clear lesson!
Thank-you for your time Gentlemen.



None of the above represents my feelings in real life, just fiction! Good-luck everyone:goodjob:

Rey Juan Carlos II was very upset. "How dares he to insult my honour?. Does he think I will let him go away with this? ", he tought to himself while wandering aimlessly in the Royal Gardens.
"It's about time to teach this guy a lesson! Guards, bring us the Fool to cheer us up and call for the scribe as we have political matters to handle."

To: President Al Gore of America
Dear Gore,
By telling the Russian Tsar that We would have plans of aggression towards him you have clearly insulted Spain. I demand that you apologize at once and furthermore we demand 2 tons of gold to let Us forget this incident. I suggest you don't worry about spanish expansion, as this is non of your concern.

To: King Blackadder of Great Britain
Dear Blackadder,
We share your concern about the american aggression. Although our glorious country has no intention of settling north-american-territories those liars in Washington insulted Us. We don't know how much longer We can tolerate this but i will grant you support in any actions you might take against them.

To: Tsar Michael Romanov
Dear Romanov,
We would like to assure you that our nation doesn't intend to interfere with your politics, no matter what America tells you. In Our opinion they cannot be trusted.

Additional Spanish Movements:
-50 frigates from Sevilla to set sail for Venezuela (where the South American expedition was headed), along with 3 additional divisions
-4 additional divisions to Marrocco (sp.?)

(OOC: Kwansn, Marrocco is spelled Morocco, since you asked.)

To: King Blackadder of England
From: King Monrique de Bourbon IV
Subj: America

We would happily go hand in hand with England to secure ourselves against any attempt by America to limit the expansion of France's power base.

To: Tsar Mikhail Romanov
From: King Monrique de Bourbon IV
Subj: America

Do not worry, fellow monarch, France has no interests or bad intentions towards your country. Feel free to chat, though.

To: Rey Juan Carlos II
From: King Monrique de Bourbon IV
Subj: America & Rousillon

Rey Carlos, we are interested in extending our hand to Spain in cooperation against the Americans, who would sare to so soil France's name. However, we are also interested in reclaiming the rightful French province of Rousillon currently occupied by Spanish forces. Tell me, Rey, what say you?

*French Troop Movement Advisory*--King Monrique de Bourbon, in a hissy fit, decided to hurt his foreign advisor Pierre Criestl by defying his requests to retract some of the colonial divisions back to France and sending an additional division to Quebec along with 50 firgates. In a response, he simply said, "I believe I showed that sad excuse for escargot who the boss is around here".

French troops in Quebec and on la Fleuve de Rue Laurent number 70,000. 500,000 remain at home.

To: King Monrique de Bourbon IV
Dear Monrique,
We are glad that France doesn't tolerate the american behavior. In this times of growing tensions it is good to know Spain has some friends in Europe.
I'm looking forward to meet you in person, as We will be travelling to Germany next month and plan to pass a few days in Paris. We can discuss the future of the now spanish province of Rousillon then. We are sure we can find a way to solve this in a civilized matter.

(OOC: Where does the province of Rousillon lie? :o )

The American knights charged once more at the invaders, determined to drive them from their land. The French forces held though, and soon began to drive back the natives.

The British troops had landed first on Newfoundland, and then on the mainland, supporting their French allies. The two fought side by side to drive back the Americans, only being stopped by American reinforcements. Both sides are now dug in, and borders are unlikely to move without one side committing more forces.

FRENCH LOSSES: 4 divisions.

BRITISH LOSSES: 1 division.

AMERICAN LOSSES: 4 divisions.

In Mississippi, the French landed only to be encircled by the Americans. They have been drived back to the town of New Orleans, and are preparing to defend it against a possible assault.

FRENCH LOSSES: 1 division.

AMERICAN LOSSES: Very light due to overwhelming numbers.

In all other areas, colonisation is going smoothly and there has been no other fighting.

LOSSES HAVE BEEN NOTED ON FRONT SCREEN, BUT ARE REPLACED AT NEXT AGE ADVANCE.

HERE IS THE NEW MAP:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/uknesmap3.jpg

Should we advance an age on Sunday? Or wait till the Sunday after to begin advancing? It's up to you players!

Nemesis

Monrique fumed. 40,000 men lost in casualties?! Sheer absurdity! The general would lose his head for this! The warm embrace of madame guillotine awaits him in Paris!

He stoof behind his desk, flaming eyes at Tybalt, cursing him and trembling with anger. Tybalt shrunk to a two-inch man at the sign of the fiery Bourbon; He also managed to squeak out "W-we lost a-a-anot-ther 10,000 m-m-m-m-men in Louisian-na."

Monrique stood up quickly, toppling over his desk in a fit and all the papers, documents, and pencils slamming on the floor and echoing through the palace directly in front of Tybalt. As the flying paper began to settle, Monrique spoke through his clenched teeth.

"Get King Blackadder to escort my ships and DATA MISSING Additional divisions to Quebec. Send DATA MISSING divisions to New Orleans. Should the King refuse, tell America that we will side with them if they allow us to have the whole of Quebec and some lands further North of New Orleans. Now GO!"

Tybalt scurried down the halls of the palace to get foreign minister Escargot Criestl (as the King had ordered his name changed to).

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Two more colonial divisions have been launched, one with 1 division of men and headed for Cameroon, another with 1 division headed for Madagascar. The colonists in Cambodia had reported emigrating Northwards into lands the people called Vietnam and Laos while the citizens in the Ivory Coast continue to explore the seemingly endless Sahara desert.

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To: King Blackadder
From: King Monrique de Bourbon IV
Subj: America
The heavy losses sustained by the French troops need to be replaced. Our navy requires the assistance of yours in order to get there, and hopefully, we can defeat the American scum. I hope that you will accept.

To: Rey Juan Carlos II
From: King Monrique de Bourbon IV
Subj: Rousillon & America
I was hoping you might consider returning Rousillon, which is a small line of land that is uneven on our current boorder, to control of the French monarchy. Also, I was hoping you might consider further cooperation against America.

After having returned from his trip Rey Juan Carlos II fell ill, but he still managed to fulfill his duties.

To: King Blackadder of Great Britain
Dear Blackadder,
The glorious Spain Empire wants to let you know that we fully acknowledge your claims to American soil and will help you by any means possible.

To: King Monrique de Bourbon IV of France
Dear Monrique,
We had quite a pleasant stay in Paris, what a magnificent capital you have. The loss of your men saddened Us a lot and therefore We have decided to help our brothers-in-arms with an attack on the Americans. As an additional sign of the friendship between our people We are returning you the province of Roussillon.

To: President Al Gore of America
Dear Gore,
In order to restore my honour We have told our troops to seize your possessions in Panama. This should serve you as a warning not to interfere with our politics.

Spanish Summary:
Europe:
-Spain: 200.000 soldiers, 150 frigates
-Plans: Province of Roussillon ceded to France
South America:
-Venezuela: 50.000 soldiers, 50 frigates
-Reinforcements: 200.000 soldiers, 150 frigates, settlers
-Plans: 30.000 soldiers, 25 frigates to attack Panama; further expansion into Columbia(sp.?) and Ecuador
Africa:
-Morocco: 50.000 soldiers
-Reinforcements: 50 frigates, settlers
-Plans: further expansion into Algeria(sp.?), Mauretania(sp.?) and Mali

(OOC: I am quite uncertain about countrynames. :confused: )

Kwansn: One of the things reccomended for NES games is a world atlas. If you ever have any questions you can always look up a world map online.

To: Rey Juan Carlos II
From: King Monrique de Bourbon IV
Subj: Algeria

I am very appreciative of your generous return of Rousillon to France. However, I would like to request that you leave at least a corridor between Algeria and the Ivory Coast so that we may directly tansfer goods and troops to Africa instead of attempting to sail around it.

Perhaps one day I may visit your capital. I hear Madrid is gorgeous in the springtime; maybe I can see you soon.

We look forward to the continued friendship of the Spanish and French people.

Emperor Hans Hickthen takes power in Sweden1

OCC SKILORD has no life!!

(OOC: I did a little Internet researching and discovered my ruler's full name, so I'm including it here :))

Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich Romanov sighed contentedly, his back resting against the sturdy support of an ancient fir tree. It was late summer out on the vast steppes of Russia, with just a few more weeks of warm weather before his people would have to break out their heavy fur coats once again. But at the moment, it was as beautiful a day as the tsar had ever seen. His lovely wife Evdokia was playing nearby with his daughters Irina and Pelagia, while the Romanov family nurse Ludmila took care of the most important one of all: Mikhail's infant son Alexei. Gazing on his son now, it was hard to believe that he would eventually grow up to become the next tsar, a figure both loved and feared by millions of the Russian people. Mikhail was genuinely saddened when the sun began to fade in the western sky and his family began the hour's ride back to Moskva (Moscow). It was with a heavy sigh that evening that he once again assumed the mantle of the tsardom and began dictating letters to the other leaders of the world.

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To: The Honorable President Mr. Gore
From: Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich Romanov
Regarding: The Proposed Alliance

The people of Russia are honored by your professed committment to peace. As we have no intention of ever sending colonists to the American continent, we feel that peaceful coexistence should be possible indefinitely. However, Russia has no desire to be pulled into an alliance that is not in our interests against the nations of Europe. We therefore reject the proposed alliance with your nation, although we am very much interested in maintaining peaceful relations with the American people. It is our friendly recommendation that your nation give up this policy of claiming all of the American continents for your own people. Such a stance will only cause needless bloodshed between your people and the French and British. Russia will gladly help mediate a fair and equitable peace that will divide the American continents into spheres of interest. We urge your people to work for peace.

To: His Highness King Blackadder of Britain and His Highness Monrique d'Esoleil, le Roi de France.
From: Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich Romanov
Regarding: The War in America

My fellow monarchs, the peace-loving Russian people desire that you cease your aggression against the people of America. While the words of Mr. Gore were indeed provocative, it is Russia's stance that your acts against America were unwarranted acts of aggression. The Russian people urge that you work out a peaceful soultion with the Americans and a fair division of the unexplored regions of the American continents. Russia will be more than willing to mediate in this conflict if desired, as we have no designs on the American continent whatsoever. We wish to remain on good relations with both of your nations, and hope that you will look with favor on your brothers in the east.

To: His Highness, Imperator and First Consul Caesar Augustus
From: Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich Romanov
Regarding: Greetings!

Russia greets you, my friend. As you may recall, the House of Romanov is related to the Greek (Byzantine) emporers, and by extention to your family as well. We wish you well in your colonization of the primatives of Africa, and hope that we may form a just and lasting relationship between our nations that will stand the test of time.

To: His Highness Juan Carlos II , Rey d'Espana.
From: Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich Romanov
Regarding: Greetings

The Russian people greet you. Seeing as how there should be little room for conflict between our nations, Russia hopes that we may abide together in peace. We ask you to call off your proposed invasion of Panama, as the Russian people are unaware of any actions that the Americans have taken against you. We ask that you prevail upon your British and French allies to end this fighting before more needless bloddshed occurs.

To: His Highness, Emperor Hans Hickthen of Sweden
From: Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich Romanov
Regarding: Greetings

The Russian people welcome your ascent to the throne and hope that we may enjoy a long and peaceful relationship with one another. We will respect your territorial sovereignty as long as you do not make any aggressive actions towards Russia. Although we desire only peace, be warned that any incursions into Karelia or Russia possessions on the Baltic will not be tolerated. It is my personal hope that we may solve any disputes that we may have peacefully, and at the diplomatic table as civilized men.

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Mikhail sighed and put down his quill. By the angle of the moon's light into his chambers he could tell it was well past midnight. But there was still more to be done before he could sleep. The tsar's work is never done he mused to himself. Mikhail called the guard outside his room over to him and murmurred an order to him, sending the guard dashing off into the recesses of the Kremlin. A few mintues later a very groggy Segeyev was brought into his presence.

"Sergeyev! Begin sending out riders with these orders immediately - and no, I don't care what time it is!" stated the tsar forcefully. The sleepy advisor could only nod his head in response. "Our settlers have made amazing progress so far; even I did not expect the Caucasus to be settled so quickly. (read: thanks uknemesis :)) However, there remains much more to do before our great vision is complete. I want our settlers to push on over the Urals, straight to the Ob River and all the way to the Yenessi if possible. I want a full 35 divisions made available for this, as I expect us to gain control of the area around the Aral Sea as well.We will station 10 more divisions in the Caucasus region, 10 in the Baltic area, and the remaining 40 held in reserve in the heartland of Russia, ready to meet any possible crisis that may come up. And wait - break one of the expeditionary eastern divisions off to colonize Novaya Zemlya as well - just to keep our enemies from having a port location (if not much of one) so close to our homeland."

Sergeyev muttered something under his breath about "working me to death... this'll be the end of me for sure" but went off anyway to see to the tsar's orders. Another day of work was finally done for the mighty Russian tsar.

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OOC: With several slots open for players to enter the game and the majority of the world map up for grabs, I say that we hold off on advancing a tech era until NEXT Sunday (May 19th). Other players' opinions?

Also, everyone remember to check your personal messages (PMs) frequently; although I have not sent out any to this point, they will be vital to conducting diplomacy when you have something to say that you do not want everyone to see.

Hi, this looks very interesting. Is it possible for me to seize control of Persia, or is the game too far along already?

To: King Monrique de Bourbon IV
From: King Blackadder
Subj: America
My dear friend, I heed your call for support but do not be so hasty to offer your services to America in your rage! We shall grant your request for ships and send a further two divisions to aid the assault of America. We shall never surrender until Gore gives an apology!
Yours,
Blackadder

To: King Rey Juan Carlos II
From: King Blackadder
Subj: Panama
My dear friend, we intend to aid your attacks on American colonies in Panama by sending a further 200 British frigates to aid your bombardments.
Yours,
Blackadder

To: President Al Gore
From: King Blackadder
Subj: Peace
We demand that you apologise or we shall never declare peace!
Good-day!

To: Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich Romanov
From: King Blackadder
Subj: Peace With America
We find the terms of peace acceptable between ourself's and the America's that you suggested. Your peace treaty matches exactly that of what I requested. Let's hope that this can spark a new age of peace considering the stubburn American's agree.
Yours,
Blackadder


Actions:
- Send 200 frigates (already in South America) to aid the Spainish assault on Panama.
- Send 1 division and 300 frigates to aid the French forces in Canada.
- Send further settlers to colonise South America heading into the Southern parts of the country.
- Send 2 divisions and 10 ships to colonise the East side closet to Arabia of Africa.
- Return one division of troops from Arabia back to Britain.
- Send one Division of troops from South America up to Canada.
Total amount of Troops Abroad: 92,000
Ships in use: 610
Troops stationed in Britain: 23,000

If you've already got a colony there Kwansn, just say expanding east or west and stuff like that. Only bother with country names if you're landing somewhere new, so that I have an idea where you're landing.

Nemesis

Of course you can have Persia, The Troquelet! Just tell me what leader name you want, and what capital, and you can begin.

For others who want to join, the countries currently available are:
Germany
Turkey
Egypt
India
China
Japan

Nemesis

Morique paced around in his drawing room at the Palace of Versailles. It had been encouraging; diplomatic relations with Spain and England were at an all-time high, with peace in Europe breaking out everywhere. However, France continued to fight America for her rightful lands of Quebec and Louisiana. That was all France really wanted and all she ever will want, but if the current of war carried her to new lands, so be it.

In a sudden stirring of patriotism and vengence, the population had lead to overwhelming support of the monarchy. Cheering parades in the streets, with the national slogan of "la vengence est un plat que mange mieux froid", referring to the cold lands of Northern Quebec which the valiant French soldiers were now having to deal with. The 'we love the king syndrome' had lead to less corruption in his government, more production, and more income. So long as the war continued for the French Monarchy, things would be peachier than in peace!

Monrique called in Lingot, the actual name for slug as opposed to the dish, Criestl to send out some letters.

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To: Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich Romanov
From: King Monrique de Bourbon IV
Subj: Re: The war in America

Unfrotunately Tzar Romanov the only one peace that is "reasonable" is one that allows France a good deal of the Caribbean coast and a large part of the Mississippi vally, the whole of Quebec, and any other part which may fall under French occupation throughout the duration of the war. It is no longer in my government's hands to make peace with things as they are now, any such would be so unacceptable to my people that it could go so far as to cause a revolt.
We will only accept peace with America on our terms. That is fact. We will not bend to Russian demands that we take a cheap peace. That too, is fact.
I bid you adieu.

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Movements:
In Quebec and America:
-Send Twenty-one divisions to Quebec and 100 ships along with the British convoy.
-Send one-hundred ships to Hispaniola and three divisions to New Orleans with the Spanish convoy.
-Prepare my forces in Quebec.

Total Forces in North America: 310,000
Total Forces in Quebec: 250,000
Total Forces in New Orleans: 40,000
Total Forces on Hispaniola: 20,000

Total Naval Forces in America: 250
Total Naval Forces in Quebec: 150
Total Naval Forces in Caribbean: 100

In Africa
-Send one convoy with one division to Madagascar.
-Send one convoy with one division to Cameroun.

Total Forces in Africa: 40,000

In Asia
-Order my colonists to head Northward.

Total Forces in Asia: 20,000

Total Forces Abroad:

370,000 troops gone across the globe out of 600,000
250 ships gone across the globe out of 250

Ships that remain at home: 0
Troops that remain at homme: 230,000

Hans Hickthen paced his office The Sedish people were growing in number too quickly he needeed a place for morwe of his people to live. He had been in near constant meetings with his cabinet to solve this overpopulation problem.
"What do you boys have for me?"
His millitary Advisor stood up, straining his crisp uniform with his more than generous figure.
"I have two proposals", he annouynced,"one, we could declare war on Russia, they'd kill most of our populace, or two, we shoot every third child."
"Are you mad?"
"Uhhhh... Yes Sir."
"Gaurds, remove this man."
As the MMiullitary man was dragged out his Domestic advisor stood, meekly.
"Uuuuum Ssss..ir?" he was a nervous man.
"Yes? wha do you propose?"
"Greenland is untouched by another nation, we could set up Colonies there, Maybe a penal colony in Mexico to solve our prison crisis?"
"Brilliant!"
"Thank you sir."
He turned to his foreign Advisor,"tell the world that the people of Sweden claim Mexico and Greenland." and back to his domestic advisor,"and you begin sending our bravest settlers there."

To: Rey Juan Carlos
Re: Panama

Exaulted Leader of Spain.

The American Intelligence Community is aware of your planned assault on our colonies of Panama. America is deeply troubled by this news. America has already been attacked by England and France for no other reason that our possible mis-interrpreted reports on expansion into Russia.

America has no designs on the lands in the Southern Continent where your colonies are being established. An attack on Panama can only be seen as another act of Eurpoean aggression. We ask that you not follow your French neighbors who have already bullied you out of some of your lands.

President Gore

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To: Tsar Romanov
Re: Alliance

The American people and disappointed by your reluctance to join with us in preventing war with your fellow European Countries. As English and French troops have already landed and attacked our positions, the dreams of peace have basically ended.

We ask that Russia assist us in ending this war with the loss of further lives. America wishes to live in peace with those across the seas and respect their way of business. But we are forced to wonder what would England's demands be should the situations reverse and it was America laying claims to our land. The same can be said for France. There is much land in the world for all.

President Gore

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To: the Governements of Italy, Sweden and Greece
Re: War in America

Exaulted Leaders:

As your intelligence agents have briefed you, America has been attacked by France and England in a most unprovocted manor. They are at this moment, preparing an attack, with Spain, against our colonies in Panama.

Why the aggression? The American intelligence community intercepted messages about possible colonies being established in areas Russia has laid territorial claims to. England and France deny those reports and say that they have no desire for lands claimed by Russia. They respect Russian claims, but yet they do not respect ours. The American people have claimed the lands of our birth as our own but France and England see it otherwise.

America does not request your assistance in our defence, but would welcome it. Instead, America would like your assistance in ending this unwarranted invasion of our lands.

President Gore

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To: England and France
Re: Your American Invasion

Your nations are willing to go to war over the possible mis-interpretaions of intelligence commiunications is appalling. There must be some truth in those reports for your combined forces to attack our peaceful nation rather than seek some other diplomatic solution.

The American Govenerment will issue an apology for informing Russia of our intelligence findings prior to verifying the authenticity of them. The America Government will NEVER issue an apology for attempting to form an alliance with Russia in the efforts to avoid the conflict now upon us.

We hope that your nations will respect the soverign claims of the American people. We are not opposed to the ideas of expansion but can not be allowed to live under the threat of European invastion that the establishment of colonies along our borders entails. England would be obosed to an American colony in Ireland or Scottland and France would be opposed to us setting up house in Normandy. We expect the same rights that other Nations of Europe are given.

President Gore
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Mr. Gore, don't tempt me to join this war aswell.

The Penal colony in Mexico wouldn't work, the Americans are too strong there, they already have it blockaded, we are moving it to S. Anerica .

i claim this:

To: President Al Gore
From: King Blackadder
Subj: War
Our reasons for war stem not just from your false claims but just as much from your arrogance in claiming that land which you have no power over is yours. Further more you have now begun spreading more false rumours and fake information. Your ignorrance know's no bounds!

The America Government will NEVER issue an apology for attempting to form an alliance with Russia in the efforts to avoid the conflict now upon us.

Absolute lies! Let's just remind everyone of the real coments made by nyourself concerning the formation of an "alliance"...

The American people have heard of your goals to stretch from the Baltic Sea to the Pacific and wish you well. As our countries goals do not conflict, we wish to enter into an alliance. England and Spain appear to have designs on our lands and we belive that they also harbor intensions of grabing the lands that Russia has laid claims to. We do not wish war with either nation and feel that an alliance between our two nations will help us to gain a strong position over Europe and prevent war.

To me this reads as if you want to consume Europe by trapping it from either side and forcing us to do your bidding! I am quite glad the enlightened Russian leader saw that by allying with you they were making themselves nothing more than puppets, to be used by the America's to keep Europe busy!

I would be willing to discuss peace but only if these demands are met:
1. You hand over to Britain control of western Canada including Alaska.
2. If you hand over control of Texas to Britain.
3. If you hand over Mexico to Britain
4. If you withdraw from Panama.

If these terms are met then Peace shall reign in our time. Until then it is only a dream.
Yours,
King Blackadder

I think you'll find your expansions are much more than that SKILORD, just wait till the map tonight :)

Nemesis

Originally posted by sealman
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To: England and France
Re: Your American Invasion

Your nations are willing to go to war over the possible mis-interpretaions of intelligence commiunications is appalling. There must be some truth in those reports for your combined forces to attack our peaceful nation rather than seek some other diplomatic solution.

The American Govenerment will issue an apology for informing Russia of our intelligence findings prior to verifying the authenticity of them. The America Government will NEVER issue an apology for attempting to form an alliance with Russia in the efforts to avoid the conflict now upon us.

We hope that your nations will respect the soverign claims of the American people. We are not opposed to the ideas of expansion but can not be allowed to live under the threat of European invastion that the establishment of colonies along our borders entails. England would be obosed to an American colony in Ireland or Scottland and France would be opposed to us setting up house in Normandy. We expect the same rights that other Nations of Europe are given.

President Gore
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O, of all kinds of rancid, slanderous filth! O, why doth thou feel the need to insult our royal houses so?! Thou loggerheaded, sheep-biting footlicker! Vengence shall be that of the Bourbons!

You should accept the fact that European colonization of America is going to happen, and that you WILL have to share a border with a foreign power. The people of Europe live with it daily--are you such a spineless, daft fiend to presume you should not have to face the same?

France has her right to expansion wherever she may please. If I see unclaimed land that no one else is occupying I WILL attempt to take it. The fact that your nation would, in its megalomaniac ways, try to control a whole continent and expect it to go without acceptance is moronic!

America will accept the following demands or peace will not come upon them for many years:

Article I: The American government renounces its fanatical "Manifest Destiny" policy and stops any and all popaganda that claims that it should be so.
Article II: The American government recognizes the European powers' right to expand to unclaimed North America. It renounces any effects of the so-called "Monroe Doctrine".
Article III: America recognizes France's claims to Quebec and Louisiana. The lower Mississippi valley is surrendered to French troops.
Article IV: Cuba and Panama are surrendered to the Spanish. America surrenders any and all claims in South America and/or Mexico and will not expand there.
Article V: Great Britain is allowed rights to Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario, Newfoundland, the Yukon territory and Nunavut.
Article VI: America ends it's blockade of the Caribbean and renounces any claims on Caribbean islands except the Florida Keys.

Despite what the European community may think (Ahem: Russia), this are significantly lighter peace terms than my allies would like. If we can end this war now, I implore you to accept them, for naught but death and destruction lay down the road of American imperialism.

Toasty, don't forget Britain holds land in Quebec, it might be hard to see on the map, but they hold a third of it about.

THE WORLD NEWS

A French agent was caught today by the CIA attempting to break into the home of a Russian agent based in Washington. He escaped before his mission could be revealed, but it was known that he was French, as has been verified by the German agent in Washington.

Sources say he was trying to discover if the Russians had been the cause of a similar break-in at his apartment, but this rumour has not yet been confirmed by any source.

The CIA don't know if he escaped with any Russian military secrets or not, but the Russian agent said that "all was as it should be, and I have nothing to hide".

The CIA continue to investigate.

UK, your inbox is full!

Second, I know that, GB has agreed to give me the lands he holds in Quebec post-peace.

Persian History Begins

King Darius the Great takes power in Persia, seizing it from the spineless froth who previously occupied the throne - and surprisingly did nothing for seven whole years! It will have to be seen whether the great nation of Persia can make a comeback from this decade-long hiatus.

Meanwhile, Darius has some announcements to make:

To all Sovereign Nations:
I hereby make known to you the Empire of Persia, with its capital at Persepolis, named after me, its benevolent and wise ruler. We do not wish much! Our empire as it is will stand, with the few additions to our territory that are necessary for the long-term prosperity of Persia. We wish peace and brotherhood with all nations. Persia dreads war, yet will not bow before the will of any country no matter how menacing. Be warned. We are not too weak to fight back against imperialism.

To his Presidency, Albert Gore
You seem to be in a bit of a mess right now, Mr. President. I suggest you talk peace. After all, America is a weak nation - too weak to fight back against three (or four) opponents. Persia does not want a piece of the American continent - but be warned beforehand that we will make any moves we consider necessary to make the world safe for peace for all nations.

To his Majesty, King Rey Juan Carlos II
Sir, I know your mettle and I trust you to stand up against the demands of any nation that would manipulate you with sickly-sweet words and a closed fist. Diplomacy is not all concessions, O King.

In the meantime, Persia hopes you take this warning to heart so that the great nation of Spain can fulfill its destiny in the annals of history and not be remembered as a puppet state to any of its neighbors.

Darius the Great is aware that our claims of land are in widely different regions, as are our homelands - therefore he extends the hand of sincere brotherhood and hopes that the King will help defend the interests of Persepolis, just as Darius pledges to always keep in mind the goals of Madrid.

To Caesar, the Great Augustus
Sir, to you as well we extend the hand of friendship. Our aims are also different, and as long as you do not plan to take over the world, you will always have the amiable approval of King Darius.

To HRH King Blackadder
Your Royal Highness, Darius knows well how peaceful your nation is. He trusts your colony in Saudi Arabia to advance no farther north than Kuwait. A neutral zone between our nations will do much to keep the peace between us. I am sure that the English people have as much faith in the word of Persia, as do the inhabitants of the Delta that Conceived the World have faith in the honor and trust of London. Mutual respect between our nations is possible even with your recent expansions and Darius the Great heartily wishes for your prosperity.

To the Tsar Romanov
Your dream is a dream, Sire. You will never control the whole Siberian steppes. Why? Because China and Japan already occupy nearly half your territory and will surely expand at a swift rate, seeing all the unclaimed land. Already foreign armies have landed in Cambodia, for the purpose of establishing colonies. You need help, and Persia can offer it. A war between our two countries will only give the Oriental nations more time. It is in our best interests to swiftly agree on a line across Siberia, however much we both want to control all of it. Small though our nation may be, we have ambitions as well. Together, we can achieve much. Don't let other nations prick you into antagonizing us - for you will be playing right into the hands of those with designs on Indonesia and Kamchatka.

The Colonies
Unless I am misinformed, my nation posesses 70 divisions and 300 ships. Colonists are free, I suppose but must be protected by divisions?

Here are my moves:
30 Divisions remain at home, guarding the borders.
10 Divisions expand east of my land to colonize, with orders not to violate Indian territory or to pass north of the Aral Sea.
The remaining 40 Divisions are accompanied by 200 Ships and travel east towards Indonesia. Ten colonize Borneo, and another ten land on Sumatra. The last twenty land on the West coast of Australia with orders to colonize the Western coast. Of the 200 ships, 150 patrol the Indonesian seas while the other 50 travel to Polynesia to make contact with the natives there, though no Divsions accompany them and no settlements will be made.
The last 100 Ships patrol the Caspian Sea and the Persian Gulf with orders to establish trade and friendship with the towns of British Arabia and Caspian Russia.


Suggestion to Uknemesis: why not place dots on each new map, one for each ten divisions, so that we can tell where everyone's troops are? Same for Ships. It would certainly help diplomacy.

Till then peace to all nations...

The Troquelet, I am sorry but that would be impossible, it would make the map too cluttered and my life too difficult!

If you want to know the troops a nation has posted somewhere, ask your intelligence service.

Toasty, my inbox is now empty again. If that happens again, leave it half an hour and try again, I've usually emptied it by then.

Nemesis

Top Secret Scientific Reports From Great Britain
Scientists and inventors have been working together to produce a powerful new weapon within the next 7 years. The weapon is reported to be like a type of cannon only light enough to be held by the user and fired. It has so far been named the 'Arm-Cannon' although the project name is 'Musket'. These powerful new weapons shall no doubt be of great use to the front-line armies of the British forces.


I think that this Sunday every army should gain a bonus of extra troops while next Sunday we move forward an era. What do you say uknemisis?

Okay, there will be no replacing of casualties until we advance, to prevent France overrunning America by sheer weight of numbers.

I don't know about a bonus, I'll think about that one.

Nemesis

Rome watches

Caesar Augustus listened intently as his Foreign Minister informed him of the battles waging throughout the new world. It seemed much blood was being shed as the Americans asserted themselves on the world stage, and the traditional European powers didn't seem to like it.

This information coincided with his receipt of the cryptic message from King Blackadder in London saying that the American's had committed acts of war. Well, knowing Blackadder, Carlos, and Bourbon, this was probably a two way street in provocation.

Augustus had no holdings in the new world, and wasn't sure what Blackadder would be offering for his help. He intended to find out.

Meanwhile, his colonization in Africa was entering Phase 2. Four new settlements would be founded across the belt of Africa, the settlements would be called Nairobi, Mombasa (both in the lands called Kenya), as well as on the west coast at Gabon and Matadi (northern Angola). He hoped to then join his holdings with emphasis on building the great Roman culture.

Militarily, it was time to send further support to Africa, and General Maximus was ready to move reinforcements to the continent. Further, soon the fleet would be reorganized, but first he would see what Blackadded might need and offer.

Actions:

Four settlers move to Nairobi, Mombasa, Gabon, and Matadi.
Five divisions move to Africa in support of the settlers, and one additional division at Tunis

Messages:
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To: King Blackadder of England
Juan Carlos of Spain
King Bourbon of France

Subj: CONFLICT WITH AMERICA

Hail Friends,

I have received your message regarding conflict in the new world. Rome does not have holdings on that continent, however, we would be interested in hearing how we could help you in time of need, and what reimbursement we could expect for such help.

Regards,
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To: King Darius

Subj: WELCOME

Hail Friend,

King Darius, the Roman Empire, and I, Caesar Augustus, pledge friendship to you and your people.

I hope that we might trade together in the future. Rome is rich with gems and furs, but would love to acquire some of the dyes and spices that you are rumored to have.

Regards,

Mikhail's face deepened further and further into a scowl as he read reports coming in from all over the globe. There was war afoot in America, and it seemed everyone else felt that Russia was about to declare for one side or the other. As a result, most of the world's leaders were ignoring his pleas for peace and suspecting him of all sorts of treachery.

"Can't they see that I am only interested in preserving the world's peace?" he mused out loud. "Russia has no interest in overseas lands. Why can't they understand this?"

With the rest of the world's great powers engaged in war, Mikhail knew it was up to him to try and dictate a peace that would be both lasting and just to each party involved. The peace proposals drawn up by the British and the French would never satisfy the Americans, and war would be inevitable if even a temporary peace were signed. With these solbering thoughts on his mind, the tsar resolved himself to his task.

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General Announcement to All Involved in the American Conflict
This matter has gone on long enough between your nations. Britain, France, and Spain have a right to be insulted by the comments made by Mr. Gore insinuating that they had ambitions against Russia. Mr. Gore also overstepped his authority in insisting that no colonization by other nations would be allowed in the Americas. For these reasons, Russia has stayed away from the American offer of an alliance.

But it was within America's right as a sovereign nation to propose an alliance with Russia. The assertion by both King Blackadder and Roi Monrique de Bourbon that this was tantamount to an act of war displeases the Russian people greatly. America has the right to discuss an alliance with anyone she chooses, much as your nations do. While I did not see fit to accept this alliance, it was within Mr. Gore's authority to offer it. Be glad that the Russian people have decided not to take this as an insult.

King Blackadder stated earlier this year that he would accept my peace proposal and wanted only to keep his current North American possessions along with an apology from Mr. Gore. President Gore has since apologized for his earlier aggressive statements and asked for a peace with the European powers. Instead of the peaceful settlement that we in Russia were hoping for, it was to our dismay that we heard King Blackadder demanding major territorial concessions in exchange for peace. Roi Monrique has since responded with his own, larger demands for peace. To complicate matters further, we are aware that agents of the French king broke into the Russian embassy in America. Apparently he did not believe my repeated assertions that I desire only peace in this conflict. Russia considers this a major insult against her honor, and though we are willing to let it pass for now, be warned that Russia will not tolerate such an offense again.

It is FAR past time for this madness to end. The Russian people believe that America has paid a fair price for its earlier arrogance and it was within the jurisdiction of the people of Britain, France, and Spain to respond. Continued acts of aggression against the people of America are unreasonable however, and far out of proportion to the original incident. We are beginning to suspect that the European nations have no interest in a just settlement at all, and seek only to enrich themselves at the cost of another nation. I truly hope that this is not the case. The following are a set of articles I that believe will produce a lasting peace in America.

1) America will recognize the right of foreign powers to colonize the Americas. Such a vast expanse of open land is not within the exclusive jurisdiction of one nation.
2) America will apologize for her earlier comments made against the people of Europe. America will apologize for the context in which her alliance against Russia was offered (insinuating that these nations had demands on Russia).
3) America will recognize France's and Britain's claim to Quebec. Whether Britain chooses to cede her possessions in Quebec to France is her own decision to make.
4) America will recognize the existence of a small French colony in the Mississippi delta and agree to sign off any aggression against it. In return, the French agree to give up their claims to control over the entire Mississippi river valley. Any goods America intends to ship through the French colony will have to pay for the right to pass through the Mississippi delta. This should provide a lucrative source of wealth for France.
5) America will swear off violence against any British colonies in North America. In return, Britain will give up her exorbitant claims to Texas, Western Canada, and Mexico. At the moment, Britain has no colonists in any of these regions, and they shall remain open to whomever claims them first. If that be Britain, so be it; if another nation, then Britain will accept that fact peacefully.
6) France agrees to give up its support for British colonies in Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario, Newfoundland, the Yukon territory and Nunavut. This is an enormous amount of land, as large as all of Russia, and there are no French or British colonists in these areas at the moment. It is not within the authority of the French monarch to declare such enormous and unoccupied territories as his or Britain's.
7) Spain and America will agree to work out a peace deal concerning Cuba and Panama; I make no stipulations in this area as I lack details of the events surrounding them.
8) Russia pledges her full support for any new colonies founded in America. We will support any European powers in gains that they make peacefully in unoccupied areas. By the same token, we will look harshly on acts of continued aggression by any side in this conflict.

It is our hope that this will bring about peace between the warring factions. Your nations will not like various aspects of this treaty, but it will provide some just compensation to all. There is no way there will ever be a lasting peace in America if Britain and France adhere to their current demands. I implore you as intelligent gentlemen to accept this peace. Russia will look on those nations that refuse to agree to these terms with great displeasure.

Let it also be known to the world that Russia and Persia have agreed on areas of common interest in Central Asia. Russia pledges not expand south of the Aral Sea/Lake Balkhash region and Persia pledges not to expand north of that area. Should a leader ever emerge out of the chaos in India and China, Russia will be willing to discuss a fair division of land with them as well. Please note that Russia is not claiming these regions for herself as yet, as we have no colonists in much of the area. This is merely an agreement between Persia and Russia to respect separate spheres of influence and settle our disputes peacefully. Gentlemen, I wish you well and hope that peace is within our grasp.

Notcing a new reponse from the Roman Imperator, the Russian Tsar quickly sent off another note.

To: Caesar Augustus
From: Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich Romanov
Regarding: Relations

Hail, Caesar. As your nation is the only European power that also seems comitted to peace, we wish to establish a more friendly relationship between our nations. I offer to trade you some of Russia's fine furs in exchange for Italia's famous wines. We hope to build a lasting friendship between our sensible peoples in the upcoming months and years.

To: President Gore, Tsar Romanov, King Blackadder, Rey Juan Carlos II
From: King Monrique de Bourbon IV
Subj: Peace in N.A.

France's only sticking point is Quebec. We want control of the St. Lawrence. Specifically, modern Quebec but with the provinces of New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and the province of Newfoundland and Labrador. If we will recieve thos territories we will then sign a peace treaty, but before that, I can not accept anything. A sudden stop of the tremendous war current could result in a huge depression and anti-Bourbon sentiment in France, possibly to the point of revolution.

We will accept a peace treaty that allows France these provinces.

To: Imperator Caesar Augustus
From: King Monrique de Bourbon IV
Subj: War in North America

I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your offerings of assistance; however, I cannot imagine a way that you could help that would be largely beneficial for your nation. We would welcome support if we had much we could offer. Please go with my apologies.

Augustus was pleased to see the great Tsar Romanov brokering peace in the new world.

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To: Tsar Romanov
Subj: Trade and Relations

Hail Tsar Romanov,

All of Rome has heard of your tireless efforts to negotiate world peace, and further, to avoid the entanglement of war alliances yourself. I commend you.

Yes, Rome is interested in orderly and peaceful colonization of the primative world. There is so much land for all, and yet already we have heard of the deaths of thousands of troops. Be assured that Rome is not currently intending to join any such battles.

I am very excited about opening trade routes to Moscow and agree to your proposal. Rome would like to expand our trade and diplomatic relations beyond these initial steps in the future.

Regards

A brief bulletin from the Shah

The Shah of Persia, Darius I, announces the opening of a new university dedicated to the science of Government... great strides in the field are expected soon...

Foreign Department
Darius applauds the Romanov Proposal and urges the warring nations to consider it carefully.

France does not need more of Quebec. It's going to own British Quebec too, as soon as the war ends - so why does it need more? More French land in America is just going to be a tool, used advertantly or inadvertantly, to let France force more concessions out of neighboring nations. Already France has used its large army and its widespread empire to negotiate control of land along the Spanish border without compensation, and take from Britain its SOLE possession in North America! Consider, O nations! Is conceding MORE land to France in the interests of a balanced, peaceful world?

No offense to le Roi, but I think not. Peaceful expansion is one thing, but concessions have gotten out of hand.

Trade Department
Dye and Spices to go from Persepolis to the highest bidder. Scientific knowledge preferred, but gold is good as well. What is gold good for anyway?

Land not accepted. What's yours is yours and I wouldn't try and rule part of your nation with your own people.

Treaty with Russia
Yes, Russia and I have formulated a treaty as stated. I don't know of any nation that wants "our" land anyway, or is close enough to rule it effectively and wisely. If Japan, China, or India come alive, we'll renegotiate with them.

To: King Backlander
Re: Your peace proposal

Your highness.

We are disturbed that your country has no true hope for peace for your demands are totaly out of line and unreasonable.

You last communique asked for the following:
1. You hand over to Britain control of western Canada including Alaska.
2. If you hand over control of Texas to Britain.
3. If you hand over Mexico to Britain
4. If you withdraw from Panama.

You ask for us to give you land that is not controlled by us. Should you demand that land, We suggest that you speak with the local inhabitants who would gladly fight your armies for it.
Does England claim all this land for herself? If this is the case, your nation is following the same path as America has. In regards to Panama, why should we withdraw?

In regards to the hopes of an American-Russian alliance, it was in the hopes that our nations together would be enough to avoid war. If you plan on throwing my coments back at me, read them first.

America desires peace and is willing to met to discuss these matters. I suggest that all parties involved, as well as a third party met in French Hispanola to discuss peace.

President Gore

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To: King Monrique de Bourbon IV
Re: Comments on your peace proposal

You last comunique dictated the following terms for peace:


Article I: The American government renounces its fanatical "Manifest Destiny" policy and stops any and all popaganda that claims that it should be so.
Article II: The American government recognizes the European powers' right to expand to unclaimed North America. It renounces any effects of the so-called "Monroe Doctrine".
Article III: America recognizes France's claims to Quebec and Louisiana. The lower Mississippi valley is surrendered to French troops.
Article IV: Cuba and Panama are surrendered to the Spanish. America surrenders any and all claims in South America and/or Mexico and will not expand there.
Article V: Great Britain is allowed rights to Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario, Newfoundland, the Yukon territory and Nunavut.
Article VI: America ends it's blockade of the Caribbean and renounces any claims on Caribbean islands except the Florida Keys.

The American people desire peace but we must comment on your latest proposal.
Article I: America has no "Manifest Destiny" policy (OCC: I think you are refering to my comments when I chose America. In player, I have never declared such policy.)
Article II: The American Government is willing to discuss European colonies in North America but have no knowledge of this "Monroe Doctrine"
Article III: Negotiable
Article IV: Why should America surrender lands to Spain? We are not at war. America will agree to to surrender all claims in South America, but not Mexico. If America allows that other nations are allowed to colonize areas, America should as well therefore we are not going to concede that we can not expand there.
Article V: Negotiable
Article VII: America does not have a blockade of the Caribbean, threfore we are willing to lift it. We have no claims on any islands in the Caribbean with the exception of Cuba and the Florida Islands.


We see concessions made by our nation in both your demands as well as England. What of your civilized nation. Will both you and England agree to repect the American Nation?

America desires peace and is willing to met to discuss these matters. I suggest that all parties involved, as well as a third party met in your colony of Hispanola to discuss peace.

President Gore

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To: Tzar Romanov
CC: England and France
Re: Peace Talks

Your Highness;

America smiles on your attempts to orchastrate a peaceful solution to the matter presently upon my nation. I have asked the leaders of England and France to met with me to discuss peace and I request that your presence as a mediator. Your tems of a peaceful solution as more reasonable than those of England and France. Enclosed is the position of America on your terms:

1) America will recognize the right of foreign powers to colonize the Americas. Such a vast expanse of open land is not within the exclusive jurisdiction of one nation.
* America is willing to recognize the right of foreign powers in the Americas.

2) America will apologize for her earlier comments made against the people of Europe. America will apologize for the context in which her alliance against Russia was offered (insinuating that these nations had demands on Russia).
* America has already complied to our comments made to Russia regarding alleged European designs in Eastern Asia.

3) America will recognize France's and Britain's claim to Quebec. Whether Britain chooses to cede her possessions in Quebec to France is her own decision to make.
* Agreeable

4) America will recognize the existence of a small French colony in the Mississippi delta and agree to sign off any aggression against it. In return, the French agree to give up their claims to control over the entire Mississippi river valley. Any goods America intends to ship through the French colony will have to pay for the right to pass through the Mississippi delta. This should provide a lucrative source of wealth for France.
* Negotiable

5) America will swear off violence against any British colonies in North America. In return, Britain will give up her exorbitant claims to Texas, Western Canada, and Mexico. At the moment, Britain has no colonists in any of these regions, and they shall remain open to whomever claims them first. If that be Britain, so be it; if another nation, then Britain will accept that fact peacefully.
* America will agree to swear off AGGRESSIVE violence but reserves the right to attack in self defense. We would also be inclined to ask that England not station offensively large numbers of troops in times of peace. We would also be willing to extend this same point to the French colony of Quebec.

6) France agrees to give up its support for British colonies in
Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario, Newfoundland, the Yukon territory and Nunavut. This is an enormous amount of land, as large as all of Russia, and there are no French or British colonists in these areas at the moment. It is not within the authority of the French monarch to declare such enormous and unoccupied territories as his or Britain's.
* Agree

7) Spain and America will agree to work out a peace deal concerning Cuba and Panama; I make no stipulations in this area as I lack details of the events surrounding them.
* A state of war does not exist between Spain and America. We intercepted communiques regarding a possible SPanish invasion of Panama and questioned Spain in this regard. There has been no comment or action taken. We have no knowledge relating to Cuba and formally request for Russia to share with us any information you may posess. This is the second reference to Cuba that we have recieved and it is becoming troubling.

8) Russia pledges her full support for any new colonies founded in America. We will support any European powers in gains that they make peacefully in unoccupied areas. By the same token, we will look harshly on acts of continued aggression by any side in this conflict.
* America respects the acts of Russian support for all and will not dictate to her. As of now, the American Military will stop all aggressive acts against France and England while peace is being sought. Granted, our forces will defend themselves at any and all costs.

America will relinquish any and all claims it has current French and English holdings in Eastern Canada.

President Gore

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To: King Darius
Re: War in America

America has been seeking Peace in America but can not accept the outragious demands being made upon her. We have asked for a peace summit with England and France with Russia as a mediator. While the matter is not a stategic issue to Persia, you are welcome to attend and to assist.

President Gore

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Expansions have gone well, Persia and Sweden's especially as they have more to catch up on.

HOTSPOTS

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Caribbean=

The Allies attempt to break the American blockade.

Spain=225 ships
France=100 ships
Britain=200 ships
TOTAL=525 ships

America=500 ships

This battle is the first naval clash of the war. Losses are high on both sides, with the Americans receiving support from Cuba, but eventually the Allies, led by the well-drilled British ships force the Americans back into harbour in Havana, and some to New York, and to give up their blockade for now, until they have rested and repaired.

Spanish losses=75 ships
French losses=25 ships
British losses=50 ships
TOTAL LOSSES=150 ships

American losses=125 ships

The convoys continue on their way.

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Panama=

The Spanish arrive to assault Panama, knowing that they have 3 divisions against America's 4. But they hope their fleet will help tip the scales.

They attack, and soon realise America has reinforced Panama with another 4 divisions(secret order from Gore). They are thrown back in disarray. The leader calls for more support from the very near Spanish colony, but the governor will only send 5 more divisions out of the 25 he has available.

The attack begins once more, but the Americans hold the best positions. They eventually throw the Spanish back once and for all, with heavy losses on both sides.

Spanish losses= 8 divisions
American losses=5 divisions

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New Orleans=

The Americans continue to surround New Orleans with huge force. The French refuse to budge, and the siege continues.

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New York=

The French and British conduct a raid in force on New York(according to a PM from Toasty, I don't know what Britain thinks, so if this is wrong PM me, I'll have to do something). It consists only of ships(I don't think anyone mentioned divisions, cause Britain was sending hers to Canada).

The 450 allied ships conduct a successful raid, and destroy the American division guarding the harbour. They also damage ship-building equipment, meaning that New York may be out of commission for a few months and unusable as a harbour until the debris is cleared. They then have to escape quickly as American reinforcements begin to arrive.

On their way out, they encounter 50 American ships returning from the Caribbean. A fight ensues, and the Allies sink every American ship, for the loss of 25 French and 50 British ships.

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Canada=

The French force of 250,000 men and the British force of 40,000 men begin an attack upon the prepared American defences, manned by 150,000 men.

They slowly but surely press south, overwhelming the defenders, until more American reinforcements arrive, another 100,000 men. These fresh troops are able to push the invaders back to the original lines, but the cost on both sides is horrific.

American losses=15 divisions

French losses=20 divisions
British losses=3 divisions

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It would seem that the French, British and Spanish are hurting America badly, but at terrible cost. If this is a war of attrition, they should win, but at what cost? To leave themselves open to the rest of Europe as easy prey? Perhaps they should consider peace, as a man fighting to defend his homeland is a very deadly enemy, as they seem to be discovering to their cost in America.

This is the reporter, Nemesis, signing out.

NEW MAP(1502)

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/uknesmap4.jpg

Nemesis

To: President Gore
From: King Monrique de Bourbon IV
Sucj: Peace

While I may have acted differently, the showings of peace developing in our little war warm my heart. A peace that is favourable to France in that it allows us to control Quebec, Newfoundland, Labrador, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia is what we ask. We will support Britain in any claims she may make Westward in Canada, but as the Tsar has sufficiently pointed out, it is excessive. Thus, we will back British claims to Ontario, Manitoba, and Nunavut alone.

The reports from Sweden said that you were blockading the Caribbean so we assumed that there was one. I think that it makes sense that the Caribbean not be blockaded.

Also, pardon my confusion on a state of war between Spain and America, as I had assumed from the Spanish-born invasion of Panama.

France does, in fact, seek warm relations and peace with America but my government will not accept any peace that does not allow us the provinces stated. We do not wish to see a crushing of America but their realization that they cannot live without European colonies or borders, and that Quebec will be such a colony of France and most likely the Mississippi delta.

If America is willing to give France the lands she occupies in Canada and Quebec we will forego the fining of American ships while keeping our small Louisiana colony. There will be no occupation or annexation of the Mississippi valley by France.

Thus, I have re-written the peace treaty:

Article I: America cedes the territory she owns in Quebec to France. France renounces her claims to the Mississippi valley.
Article II: America recognizes French-backed British claims to Ontario, Manitoba and Nunavut. In turn, British demands on the remainder of Western Canada, Mexico and Texas are dropped.
Article III:America withdraws from Panama and will not be involved in any colonization in South America. Panama is declared an international zone and construction of a canal begins.
Article IV: France retains her colony in Louisiana and New Orleans but allows American merchant ships free passage. This agreement may be renegotiated in ten years if deemed necessary by either government.

I think we can hammer out the details at the peace summit in Hispanola :goodjob:.

UK, those statistics are absurdity. Twenty divisions? A force of 290,000 men attacking a force of 150,000 men and the attackers lose more than two-thirds of their troops? Incredibly unrealistic, especially for this age.

I put up with the fifty-thousand. But now you're telling me I've lost 250,000 troops? Uh-uh. That really pisses me off.

Nice map nemesis

On the contrary, my dear King, the Americans numbered 25 divisions, the same as yours, when reinforced from New York. The American homelands are obviously swarming with troops. They are defending their own homeland and they have prepared defenses.

Time to read Dexter's quotes, I think...

The tables have turned on the Allies, and they can try and take it honorably and negotiate peace. I will certainly be willing to act as semi-mediator as offered previously...

America requests a cease fire with all parties until after the peace conference in Hispanola. We have already orderd our forces to cease all offensive operations.

President Gore

Let's think a minute...150,000 troops are overwhelmed and pushed very far Southward. 100,000 troops show up after just *how* many troops have been killed or captured out of the original 150,000? 290,000 vs. 150,000, that's almost 2 to 1. There should have been hardly any left (I'll be generous and say 75,000 left to about 240,000) so we end up with 175,000 vs. 240,000 and it's BACK TO THE ORIGINAL LINES?!

It seems unreasonable to me.

Your terms are much improved over the last set of demands.

Article I: Depends on where the line is but workable.
Article II: Agree
Article III: America will not withdraw from Panama as there is no basis. America laid claim to Panama and settled the wilderness PRIOR to any claims by Spain. We will agree to refrain from moving into South America, unless in support of another nation after invitation of said nation.
Article IV: Agree, relunctantly.

America would like some sort of compensation from Spain for their vagrant act of agression against Panama.

Sweden was mis-informed. Our blockade, as witnessed from the battle, is/was the Gulf of Mexico. Florida-Cuba-Yucatan.

President Gore.

Originally posted by Toasty
UK, those statistics are absurdity. Twenty divisions? A force of 290,000 men attacking a force of 150,000 men and the attackers lose more than two-thirds of their troops? Incredibly unrealistic, especially for this age.

I put up with the fifty-thousand. But now you're telling me I've lost 250,000 troops? Uh-uh. That really pisses me off.

I think you'll find I actually say that you crush those 150,000 men, but run into reinforcements, who push you back, causing even more losses.

Attacking fortifications was always an expensive business, especially in medieval days. Anyway, you are at war with a nation fighting for survival. That is always a big plus factor in a battle.

Anyway, your losses will be magically forgotten at the changing of ages, so you have no need to worry, just make less war for the rest of this age! Part of the reason I gave such heavy losses was to try and encourage peace on both sides. Don't forget, America is hurting badly too, that Canadian fight cost half the men she had then!

Basically, when things settle down and it once more becomes small border clashes, then losses will be lighter.

Also, in the more recent ages losses are actually lighter, as although more are killed by explosions and machine guns etc, there is better medical care for the wounded. The casualties also take into acount all of those lost to disease and injuries etc.

Basically, try to make less war, and you will lose less men!

Nemesis

Read my breakdown, UK.

In 99% of history war has favored the attacker (the exception being World War I).

Originally posted by Toasty
Let's think a minute...150,000 troops are overwhelmed and pushed very far Southward. 100,000 troops show up after just *how* many troops have been killed or captured out of the original 150,000? 290,000 vs. 150,000, that's almost 2 to 1. There should have been hardly any left (I'll be generous and say 75,000 left to about 240,000) so we end up with 175,000 vs. 240,000 and it's BACK TO THE ORIGINAL LINES?!

It seems unreasonable to me.

Most of the 150,000 were dead or lying injured, but then a fresh force of 100,000 men arrived.

After fighting a battle for many hours, you are very tired, and probably hurt. If a huge fresh faced force arrives, especially if it is driven by a desire to defend it's home, you're gonna have to fall back.

That's what your generals did rather than risk even more casualties. It is best to lick their wounds and then attack again than lose even more trying to fight these.

And attacking fortifications, which is what the Americans had(I had orders from sealman saying that 15 divs were dug in near Canada), you lose more men than the defenders. Simple.

That is also why if Gore orders an assault on New Orleans, the Americans will lose a lot more men than the French. Because New Orleans is a heavily fortified town in the game.

Nemesis

Originally posted by Toasty
Read my breakdown, UK.

In 99% of history war has favored the attacker (the exception being World War I).

In medieval times it did not. Sieges were common, but since this is on a foreign land, they can outlast you, so you must attack.

Trying to enter a castle resulted in huge losses in comparison to the defender. They could fire arrows, pour boiling oil onto the attackers, push over ladders and they knew the castle.

Basically, in those times you lost more men. You still do if you attack a well-fortified enemy(such as if Germany had invaded Britain in WW2, or the D-Day landings!).

Nemesis

Trying to enter a castle resulted in huge losses in comparison to the defender. They could fire arrows, pour boiling oil onto the attackers, push over ladders and they knew the castle.

And castles took about 7 years to build. There was no trench warfare. Just troops on a flat, fertile valley which had been recently claimed by the Americans. Care to explain how huge fortifications got there in a year?

And another thing, if the fortifications were there, my forces would have then occupied the defences (and I don't think they were all facing one way :lol: ). 175,00 or whatever would never have been able to send back 240,000 "dug-in", however tired, troops.

With all due respect, King Bourbon

Actually, I'm really trying not to take on "I told you so" airs, but in every "treaty" you have written so far the little bullet points with outrageous American concessions far outnumber the little bullet points where France actually compromises halfway on something, and as for France making actual concessions....

Just an example: the treaty you wrote before the news of battle contains the following points:

1. America gives France Quebec.

2. America gives Britain Ontario, Manitoba and Nunavut.

3. America withdraws from Panama so a canal can be built to allow the Allies to colonize California.

4. America cedes South America to the Allies.

5.America does not pay France anything for ten years.

Maybe fate doesn't like arrogance.

Obviously, there is no longer an interest in this war for either side. Only greed has kept both sides from compromise. Look at Persia and Russia: both have not spilt a drop of blood and our empires are satisfactorily large. Sweden purposefully didn't settle in America's sphere. It has a sizable empire too. Even Britain made an agreement with me to split Saudi Arabia. Yet everyone has been stubborn about America! Why?

I don't pretend to know enough about the real issues to present a plausible treaty. But I am appalled at the losses on both sides and demand peace in the name of humanity.

Originally posted by Toasty


And castles took about 7 years to build. There was no trench warfare. Just troops on a flat, fertile valley which had been recently claimed by the Americans. Care to explain how huge fortifications got there in a year?

And another thing, if the fortifications were there, my forces would have then occupied the defences (and I don't think they were all facing one way :lol: ). 175,00 or whatever would never have been able to send back 240,000 "dug-in", however tired, troops.

By the time the 100,000 arrived, you only had about 80,000 troops left yourself(8 divisions out of 25!), and the British only had 2 divisions left.

You retreated to get away from the Americans, but lost 3 more divisions and the British one more.

Anyway, that is the final battle rundown. I can inflict as many casualties as I like, as I would like to have less troops around near the progression of an age, as it makes people more aware about what they're chucking around until they can get more.

As for this battle, it was a very bloody one, and due to the amount of numbers you had lost, you didn't have enough troops left to hold what you had taken. Simple as that, no more arguments cause I'm too tired.

And I would think you should be happy. Yes you lost huge numbers of troops, but America lost more in relevance to how much of her total army was lost! America has 15 divisions left, you have about 40! You got the big battle needed to ensure numerical superiority over the Americans.

Nemesis

To: Anyone Involved in the American War
From: Tsar Mikhail Fedorovitch Romanov
Subject: Peace Terms

The Russian people salute the recent peace terms presented by the French Roi. I have reproduced them here so that there can be no confusion over them:

Article I: America cedes the territory she owns in Quebec to France. France renounces her claims to the Mississippi valley.
Article II: America recognizes French-backed British claims to Ontario, Manitoba and Nunavut. In turn, British demands on the remainder of Western Canada, Mexico and Texas are dropped.
Article III:America withdraws from Panama and will not be involved in any colonization in South America. Panama is declared an international zone and construction of a canal begins.
Article IV: France retains her colony in Louisiana and New Orleans but allows American merchant ships free passage. This agreement may be renegotiated in ten years if deemed necessary by either government.

We ask only that the third article be dropped from the treaty, as the American people have bravely defended their possession of Panama from Spanish invasion. I believe that this will provide a fair deal to all parties involved. Although America will lose significant territory in Canada, her people that have been displaced will find a new home in the unclaimed regions of the American west. I am prepared to send my foreign advisor Sergeyev to Hispanola to help mediate this peace agreement if the involved parties desire. I hope that the severe amount of bloodshed will help convince the world to follow a more peaceful path in future days.

OOC: Toasty, I understand that the combat results may be unrealistic in terms of a real-world situation, but what uknemesis did was necessary for game balance. We can expect that the heartland of another nation is not going to be conquered without extreme losses being taken, and that is essentially what you and your British allies were trying to do. Since everyone's forces do not return until next week, and you're a little thin on forces at the moment, perhaps you will be more willing to support my efforts for peace over the next 8 days! :lol: In all seriousness though, I will work for peace in Europe if someone comes in as Germany and tries to run over England and France in the next few days.

Revised Peace Proposal: The Shah's Ten Points

1. America shall retain all the land it has occupied.

2. The Americans shall send divisions to build, at their own expense, a Panama Canal, by 1505 at the latest, and allow all empty ships or ships with settlers through, but have the right to decide whether or not to allow ships with divisions through or not, or whether to charge toll for troop-carrying ships. Nations at war with America cannot make use of the Canal.

3. Greenland shall belong to whoever colonizes it first, with parties respecting their fate and not resorting to military action.

4. Mexico and the unoccupied lands south of San Francisco shall belong to America, unless by 1504 they remain empty, in which case on 1505 or later anyone can colonize them.

5. The rest of Mainland North America (Northern USA, Canada, Alaska) shall be off-limits to America, unless by 1505 they are empty, in which case on 1506 or later America can colonize them.

6. The offshore islands north of Canada, the Caribbean Islands, and South America shall be forever off-limits to America.

7. The colony of the Mississipi Delta agrees to let Americans through for free until 1510 at which time America and France may renegotiate this part and ONLY this part of the treaty.

8. Hawaii shall belong solely to America, forever.

9. All the other Pacific Islands are off-limits to America.

10. The Tierra del Fuego shall never be colonised, so that there will ALWAYS be a way into the Pacific even if America closes the canal.

Seems reasonable to everyone?

The Shah's Peace
Those peace terms I would never accept. If I wanted to I could completely evacuate Europe and my colonies to crush America. It is not as much to ask as Manitoba has never been taken and Nunavut is largely controlled by me; America just gives up Ontario and Southeastern Canada, in exchange for peace. Despite the American victory me and my European allies still yield the power to do more damage to America than we already have.
This "peace" you have written up is a mockery. Europe has not lost the war, and if either of my allies choose to accept it they are mad.

The Tsar's Peace
Considering the sorry excuses for a treaty I have gotten from Persia, we will drop Article III and submit the revised one to the conference in Hispanola. I would be more than happy to entertain your foreign minister as a mediator there. I also thank you for protecting my homeland due to these horrendous casualties.
This treaty has Le Roi's seal of approval :goodjob:.

To: Al Gore
From: King Blackadder
Subj: Cease Fire
Your offer of a cease fire is accepted until the peace conference. As for the conference I would like to see all four parties, myself, France, Spain and America joined by Russia to discuss peace. I would be prepared to accept France's offer of peace only with a few minor changes.

Article I: America cedes the territory she owns in Quebec to France. France renounces her claims to the Mississippi valley.

Article II: America recognizes French-backed British claims to Ontario, Manitoba and Nunavut. In turn, British demands on the remainder of Western Canada, Mexico and Texas are dropped.
This I agree on, we shall drop claims to all areas mentioned.

Article III:America withdraws from Panama and will not be involved in any colonization in South America. Panama is declared an international zone and construction of a canal begins.
I'm prepared to let America retain control of Panama only if it is declared free for any ships of peaceful nature to pass through

Article IV: France retains her colony in Louisiana and New Orleans but allows American merchant ships free passage. This agreement may be renegotiated in ten years if deemed necessary by either government.

To: Shah Darius
From: King Blackadder
Subj: Peace Proposal
This proposal is a complete mockery and insults me greatly! Please tell me that you were only joking when you wrote this up?!

To: Tsar Mikhail Romanov
From: King Blackadder
Subj: Peace-Proposal
I admire your statesman like approach to peace and hope that you shall attend the meeting in Hispanola.
Yours,
Blackadder

Actions:
- Cease-fire between America begun.
- Withdraw all Troops from Canada and return them to Britain and hand over the British colonies to Canada.
- Send more settler's to colonise right through central South America.
- Send Settler's and two divisions to colonise East Australlia around Sydney and Melbourne along with 200 ships.
- Send 50 ships to Arabia to open trade between Persia and our colonies.
- Send 100 ships to patrol our South American positions.
- Return all other ships to Britain.
Troops Abroad: 72,000
Ships Abroad: 300
Troops In Britain: 38,000

Newsflash to the world: the Triple Kingdom of Norway, Denmark and Germany have a new King, Haakon Magnusson! More news to follow presently!

To: President Al Gore of America
As for now We have advised Governor Ortega not to make any further advances into Panama, but Our troops are prepared should the peace-talks not work out.
Spain will accept peace under these terms:
I. Spanish and American engineers will co-operate in the Construction of the "Panama Canal".
II. The Canal will be operated by America and Spain.
III. American troops occupy the West-Side of the Canal.
IV. Spanish troops occupy the East-Side and all land between the Canal and Columbia.
Regarding the compensation, We offer that Spain will be responsible for 3/4 of the construction cost, while America will account for the rest.

To: Roi Monrique de Bourbon IV of France
Dear ally,
It seems that the Americans put up a fiercer resistance than expected but they have taken a beating for which they will need some time to recover from. We are in a strong position as far as negotiations are concerned and Spain hopes that France supports Our terms of peace as we do support yours.
Concerning Algeria Spain is not willing to give you land but We offer your troops Right of Passage trough Algeria, as long as they don't steal chickens and bother our women.

To: King Blackadder of Great Britain
Dear ally,
We would like to thank you for your recent support in Our naval engagements around Panama. Be assurred that we will fully support your peace proposals.

To: Ceasar Augustus of Italy
Dear friend,
We appreciate your offer of help in times of need and want to assure you that Spain will be doing the same should you ever need a helping hand.

To: Emperor Hans Hickthen of Sweden
Dear friend,
We welcome you and your plans to establish yourself as power. May our reigns be long and prosperous!

To: Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich Romanov of Russia
Dear friend,
As Our nation is a peace-loving one at heart We gladly accept your friendship and hope you accept Ours. Furthermore Spain wishes you good luck in expanding your empire.

To: King Darius the Great of Persia
Dear friend,
We are glad to hear you're plans are going well and accept your friendship on behalf of Spain. You should know that We will not be interfering with your politics as they don't affect Our spheres of influence and therefore welcome you in peace.

Spanish Summary:
Europe:
- Troops: 200.000 soldiers, 150 frigates
- Plans: Tournaments to be held in Madrid, Zaragoza, Valencia and Cordoba to appease the population
South America:
- Troops: 170.000 men, 125 ships
- Plans: further expansion to the south, castles to be built in key locations, cease-fire with America
Africa:
- Troops: 50.000 men, 50 ships
- Plans: further expansion to the south, castles to be built in key locations

Haakon wearily reviewed the state of his army. This horrific three-sided war had cost his new country heavy losses, from which they were only now recovering.
"70 divisions." He mused.
"Half and half, sir. The green serfs are interspersed with battle-hardened veterans. Although the civil war was a disaster for our beloved country, at least it has left us one of the most experienced armies in the world. That's something to be glad for, sire..."
"Glad. Yes. Hmmm... I suppose so. But I'd rather have a happily united nation than a battle-hardened army, Sigfried. Much rather..."
The war was not over yet. Still several pretenders to the throne were hiding out in their strongholds, even though theywere hated, feared, and even ex-communicated by the Mother Church. The most important of which had been Jarl Eirik, earl of the North Lands in Norway, Haakon's homeland. Currently, though, Haakon was standing in the charred remnants of Eirik's grand hall. It was cold and raining, but at least the Midnight Sun saw to it that it did not get dark as well.
The elite Hird, who were the King's royal guard and the pride of the army, had besieged Eiriksholm for three months, but finally the defenders had broken, and the Jarl had paid the price of treachery. He was going to be hung, drawn and quartered in Nidaros, the religious capital of the Triple Kingdoms.

Haakon was saddened as he began the long return by sea to Nidaros (Trondheim), where he was staying in the Bishop's Castle.

He spent his time well, however, dictating letters to his new colleagues around the world, and steering the travels of his settlers.

To my illustrious neighbour, Sweden

How fare ye? As you can see, I, Haakon Magnusson, have managed to gather the pieces of my broken kingdom, and we have risen out of the ashes like a phoenix. You are the first nation the newly arisen Three Kingdoms extend diplomatic relations to, and I sincerely hope we can live together as neighbours. I'm now officaillly warning you, though, that there are ancient Viking settlements on the West side of Greenland, all along the coast, and I intend to revive them. Please do not interfere. I believe we can share Greenland quite amicably.
Haakon Magnusson, rex Norvegica, rex Germanica, rex Danica

Otherwise, his settlers had revived the Viking setllements on an island called Iceland, and claimed them all for the Norwegian crown.
Ships were sailing along the coast of Africa, too, and reported seeing very good land on the very south tip, on a place called the Cape of good hope. A settlement, called (vewry uninventively) Cape Town, was built there. Finally, his sailors had reached the wide plains of Argentina as well, south of the Swedish colonies, and extending south too the lands the natives called "The Land of Fire" (Tierra del Fuego).

AHEM! Are you summarizing the story in the first page or not? It's hard to join after some period of time with you having to read all the posts.

"This is an outrage!" - shouted the Sultan.
"As well as killing 500 people!" - answered Mehmed Pasha - "Death to Opressor!"

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Durign the last 10 days, Sultan has been overwhelmed, and now a militay dictature has been established, with Mehmed Pasha as it's leader. But who will recognize an Outcast?

Roman Update

Augustus was heartened to hear of the ascension of Haakon to the throne in the Germanic states. The unrest there had provided for much disruption of trade, and Caesar was certain that Haakon's leadership would restore profitable economics to the region.

The colonization of Africa was proceeding well, and all existing colonies were ordered to expand normally, with an emphasis on culture and infrastructure. There was on exception to this order, no further expansion toward the Egyptian nation would be conducted, all expansion would be to areas west and south of existing holdings. This Caesar Directive VII was intended out of respect for the Egyptians, whom Augustus was certain would be interested in expansion once they became active.

The final phase of the African expansion consisted for 25 ships and a division of troops accompaning two settlers to Cape Town and Durbin in the territories of southern africa.

Then there was the matter of Caesar Directive VIII and IX. Augustus smiled thinking about them. Word had reached him that these secret projects were nearing fruition.

Augustus viewed the new world situation with concern. He hoped that Romanov's wise counsel would be heeded. Certainly the parties involved had shed too much blood now to be reasonable. France itself had taken a very dangerous path here as the French heartland was nearly undefended. They are quite fortunate that we are such a peaceful nation chuckled Augustus to himself. Germany being recently united may change the balance of that equation. Some of the other third party peace proposals were simply outrageous.

Augustus himself was interested in peaceful trade, and looking for new partners.

Actions:

25 ships and 1 division, plus two settlers found Cape Town and Durbin in modern day South Africa.
Continued expansion of existing colonies in Africa without violation of Caesar Directive VII
Execution of Caesar Directive VIII and IX

Messages:
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To: King Haakon
Subj: Trade and Relations

Hail King!

Rome welcomes you as sovereign leader of the triple kingdom. May your reign be long and prosperous.

We would welcome immediate diplomatic relations and a trade agreement. We have many gems and horses to offer you.

It is my deepest desire to maintain a close and trusting relationship with the great German people.

Regards
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To: Shah Darius I
Subj: Trade

Hail Shah,

What knowledge do you seek sir? Rome will be willing to trade technologies for your dyes and spices.

Regards
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To: King Hickthen of Sweeden
Subj: Trade and Relations

Hail King,

Rome desires to normalize relations and commence normal trade with your fine country.

I hope that we can grow close in our mutual futures.

Regards
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To: Tsar Romanov
CC: All Nations of the World
Subj: Peace

Caesar Augustus fully endorses the approach to peace crafted by Tsar Romanov. I encourage all nations to end the bloodshed, support open colonization of primitive territories, and consider diplomatic solutions to these problems.

Regards

HRH Bourbon and Blackadder
Sirs,

You are not going to be able to take more of America than America no matter how fast you expand. Crushing America is not a solution - you simply can't do it. You're bluffing. You have the armies capable of doing it, but a sane king could never use them. That is, unless you want Italy to own Africa.

My peace divides the Americas fairly between you two powers, with the disadvantage of both time and land shifted to America! America only gets a third of the land you get, and must occupy it a year earlier than you or else it's yours for the taking... In fact, as far as I can see, the Tsar's treaty gives more land to America than mine! It doesn't keep America out of the Northern USA for example, and it certainly won't keep America from growing into the monster you obviously feared when you rushed to America to stop its growth.

By the way, exactly who is South America going to belong to anyway if not to America and not to Russia or me? That's a huge empire you're amassing.

King Blackadder, Pres. Gore, Tsar Romanov, King Bourbon
Good luck with the peace treaty anyway. May I suggest a clause about the limits of foreign armies in the colonies?

ORDERS
30 divisions at home are still on guard duty. 6 of them are building fortifications on the western front.

The 10 divisions expanding east of my land continue to do so, again with orders not to violate the borders agreed upon.

The 10 Divisions on Borneo colonize the Phillipines.

The 10 Divisions on Sumatra are designated as Engineers and travel among the islands making as many fortifications as necessary, concentrating on Sumatra and Australia.

The 20 Divisions in Australia expand east with all possible speed.

The 150 Ships in the Indonesian Seas return to guard Persia, concentrating on the Southern coast.

The 50 ships in Polynesia return home.

uknemesis, I think we should do a restoration of troops but not a tech advancement for this week. If we don't, me, Great Britain and America would be at a huge disadvantage (just imagine the lands Germany could take!). The loss of 250,000 troops for me and 200,000 for the Americans leaves us as wide-open holes for whomever may decide to waltz into our territory.

To: Shah Darius of Persia
From: Roi de France, Monrique de Bourbon IV
Subj: Your peace terms

The fact remains we don't like it, and you will have nothing to do with the Hispanola peace summit; your peace will not pass through France, GB and Spain. You should just as well accept it and move along. You can argue all you want about how good your treaty is but the Tsar's is a shoe-in. Keep your nose out of affairs that do not concern you.

To: Nations involved with Hispanola
From: Roi de France, Monrique de bourbon IV
Sub: Hispanola peace summit

With the cease fire signed and the Tsar's treaty agreed upon, what will be the purpose of the peace summit? I think it has been stated that we will re-create the modern U.S.-Canadian border and me and GB can sort out the details for the division of Canada. I have drawn up a map for the division of Canada which I will display soon.
Bottom line: do we really need to go to Hispanola for a peace treaty or perhaps a goodwill summit :D?

To: President Gore
From: Roi de France, Monrique de Bourbon IV
Subj: Withdrawing of forces

President Gore, as a showing of goodwill from France to America I have decided to withdraw the majority of my forces from North America. I do this so that we might ease tensions and be sure that this peace is a serious one and that our nations can build friendship on trust and not swords. I plea to you, do not force me to regret my showing of kindness.

The map for peace in North America:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/Peacemap.gif


Orders:
-Continued colonization of Madagascar.
-Some settlers from Madagascar cross the channel to Mozambique for light colonization
-Some settlers from French Indochina cross to Sri Lanka for light colonization
-General growth in Cameroun and La Côte d'Ivoire
-Withdraw of 3 divisions from New Orleans; 1 division from Hispanola; 1 fivision from Lesser Antilles; 3 divisions from Quebec, all to France (total 80,000 troops).
-Also send 50 ships from Quebec and 50 ships from New Orleans to France.

Troops Abroad: 90,000
Troops at home: 310,000

Ships Abroad: 100
Ships at home: 100

uknemesis, I think we should do a restoration of troops but not a tech advancement for this week. If we don't, me, Great
Britain and America would be at a huge disadvantage (just imagine the lands Germany could take!). The loss of 250,000 troops for me
and 200,000 for the Americans leaves us as wide-open holes for whomever may decide to waltz into our territory.

If you used up your troops, that's no business of fate's to suddenly restore them. You're lucky our countries have developed diplomatic ties, and I would never attack any of your countries. Maybe you had better try the same thing with Germany, instead of just asking for more troops. I'm sure Germany thinks a lot of your trust in him now, anyway :rolleyes: .

If I sound bitter, I really am not. Your peace is your own business as you say, and I wish you the best of luck:goodjob: .

It's just that the Shah finds it slightly amusing that the King of France has grown so used to war that diplomacy is loathsome to him, and he decides he needs more troops instead of befriending Germany...

To: Rey Juan Carlos of Spain
Re: Panama and Peace

We accept the aid of Spain to assist in the construction of a canal across the isthmus but we will not cede any land to Spain. Spain has no claims to the land and will only take it by force. With peace on the horizon between America and England and France, another Spainish attempt to grab our territory will be a solitary effort. We request that you not try again.

America will be more than happy to allow the transit of peaceful shipping through this canal. The transit of military ships shall be arrange via diplomatic concerns.

President Gore

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To: King Monrique de Bourbon IV and King Blackadder
Re: Peace

America is happy with the latest peace proposal but is not happy regarding the re-drawn borders between our nations. America will accept the border as it stands at present as opposed to us losing all the land that we had peacefully claimed and settled. We do agree not to settle any lands further north than our current settlements. (OCC: I do not think that I ever agreed to re-draw the Canada-US Border.)

The meeting in Hispanola should still be held as peace between America and Spain is still in the works.

President Gore

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To: All Peacefull Nations
Re: Panama

Leaders,

America will begin the construction of a canal through the isthmus of Panama to connect the Atlantic and Pacific oceans. Once this canal is completed, we will allow the peaceful transit of all merchant shipping. Construction of this project can not begin until peace is secured in the Panama theatre.

President Gore

To: President Gore
From: Roi de France, Monrique de Bourbon IV
Subj: Peace accords

By surrendering the remainder of Quebec and Ontario, it was assumed by me that you meant creating the modern Canadian-U.S. border. Please draw my government up a map and we will consider it, as that was what we thought the peace meant.

To: King Haakon Magnusson of the Triple Kingdom
From: Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich Romanov
Regarding: Greetings

I welcome your assent to the throne of the triple kingdom. Rest assured that Russia has no desire to engage in a conflict with your nation, and we look forward to a prosperous relationship with one another.

To: Mehmed Pasha
From: Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich Romanov
Regarding: Orthodox Minorities in the Ottoman Empire

Greetings. Russia disapproves of the violent overthrow of the Ottoman sultan and the military nature of your regime. We are willing to work peacefully with your nation so long as you continue the same policy of toleration that the sultan had concerning the Orthodox Christian minorities in the Ottoman Empire. If your government will not allow Russia's Greek and Serbian brothers to practice their faith peacefully, Russia will not look kindly on your rule.
(OOC: I am trying to play Russia as realistically as I can; this was the sticking point of Russo-Ottoman relations for over two centuries. )

To: The Nations Involved in the Hispanola Peace Conference
From: Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich Romanov
Regarding: Peace

I believe that all of the major parties are essentially agreed on the basic tenets of a peace treaty along the lines of the one I laid out. Since peace seems to be nearly in our grasp, Russia will bow gracefully out of the peace process and leave it to those nations involved to hammer out the final details. I am thankful once again that cooler heads have prevailed in this matter before all of the nations involved saw their entire armies destroyed.

Sweden begrudginglyt grants the german imperialist pigs acceptance of their Iceland colonies. GRRR!!

Sorry guys, tonight I feel like cr*p, so luckily with no battles to sort out, I can take a night off, and tomorrow night a map will be posted with two days expansion on it, and the exchange of lands in these peace deals.

Das, I can't summarise everything that's happened, cause all it is is a war in Canada and Panama, and expansions that new players can see on the map. If they want an update of wars, then all they have to do is skim through for my combat reports.

To be honest, it's either I spend more time on the reports and the maps, making sure I get everyone's moves sorted out, or I can write the notes up.

I'm sure the players would prefer the first, as I don't have time to do both.

If someone would like to have a summary, then be my guest to write it.

Sorry I'm snappy, but I've got a headache, I'm tired, and I feel like sh*t.

Also tomorrow night, I will have the advantage of a cable connection that's being installed tomorrow, so I can update things quicker.

Nemesis

To: King Bourbon IV
Fr: President Gore
Re: Land in North America

America is willing to withdraw and relinquish any claims that we preciously made to the land you refer to as Quebec and Ontario. Based on the latest national survey maps, America is willing to pull back and relinquish lands north and east of the lines drawn on the attached map. We hope that this is acceptible to France and England

Yours in Peace
President Gore, America

I'll take Japan as Shogun Nagasaki

No offence, Swedish tightpurse, but we saw it first! Anyway, there were Vikings from Norway there already.

Dear Russian brothers
(Historical fact: Novgorod, the birthplace of the Russian princedoms, was a Viking town. Thus, in fact, the Russian kingdoms sprang out of the Vikings on the river Rus. Therefore, brothers:D)

I hope I have not distressed you by my (to put it mildly) dramatic approach to the throne. I wish nothing but good relations between yourselves and me, and would love to prove that by trading a little. I don't know what you have to spare in that vast empire of yours, but we're interested in a lot of things, particularly eastern luxuries that we can't get here. In exchange, we can offer you excellent bog ore which we have transformed into very durable steel for your words and spears, and plenty of dried cod (a HUGE commodity in those days, fetching insane prices abroad.), in addition to superbly trained falcons and eagles for hunting with.
King Haakon, rex Germanic, rex Norvegica, rex Danica

To Cæsar Augustus, rex Romanus

I welcome diplomatic relations and trade with you, o emperor of the great Romans. While my countries posess some of the strongest cart- and warhorses in the world, I'm very interested in Gems and fine Italian Wine. In exchange, we may offer you some of our excellent Steel, Dried Cod, Timber, or Furs, not to mention excellent hunting birds. Make your pick.
King Haakon, rex Germanic, rex Norvegica, rex Danica

To: Président de l'Amérique, Monsieur Albert Gore
From: Roi de la France, Morique de Bourbon IV
Subj: Peace in North America

Unfortunatly I cannot accept this peace proposal. It is too far North and allows Great Britain no access to the Great Lakes. It also denies France a great deal of the fertile Fleuve de Rue Laurent valley, especially regrettable since it is the warmer part.

I am willing to forego my claims on Nova Scotia, and therefore, we propose this:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/Peacemap3.gif

I know it might be a bit more to give than you want to, but I want you to bear in mind that this is less land than we originally wanted and the combined forces of France, Spain, and Great Britain can still cause great damage that will hurt you for years to come.

Cordially,
King Monrique de Bourbon IV

To: President Gore of America

We advise you to reconsider Our peace-proposal as Spain will accept peace only under this terms. In Our opinion it is a very fair offer as you would be losing little in comparison to what Our troops could take away from you.
Furthermore We think that it is vital that control of the canal should be shared, for a monopoly on it could be easily abused. But to show that we are still ready to make concessions Spain offers you to bear the entire construction cost.

Regards, Rey Juan Carlos II d'Espana

Can you post a message there saying I won't be on tonight until a problem is sorted? I changed the email address on there and now it won't let me post! I've emailed Thunderfall about it, but might have to wait a while, cause unlike here it hasn't got the send another confirmation email option.

<<uknemesis

To: Morique do Bourbon IV
Re: North American Holdings

Sir;

America is will to grant you the land along the Saint Lawrence River that you have depicted in the lastest map proposal.
America is also not willing to recede as far south as the The Great Inland Seas (Great Lakes) and can not see why Great Britain would need access to these waters.

President Gore

To: Shogun Nagasaki
Re: Welcome

Shogun;

It is good to see that the land of the rising sun has a new and charasmatic leader. Welcome. America hopes that a strong friendship can develope between our two nations.

President Al Gore, America

Mikhail sat once again in his study, pouring over the latest reports from the rest of the world. It seemed that the situation in America was finally about to be resolved, and the rise of new kings in Sweden and Germany had done nothing to upset the peace of Europe. All is as it should be mused the tsar. His family continued to thrive and prosper; little Alexei was closer to a man than a boy by now, and his eldest daughters preparing for their arranged marriages to other important Russian noblemen. Mikhail wasn't so young himself now either, as streaks of gray crept through his formerly dark hair.

Sergeyev entered the room unobtrusively, but the tsar noticed him anyway. "What news of our colonists in the east?" asked Mikhail interestedly.

"My lord, we believe that they have made significant gains, but we lack the specific knowledge as the extent of their explorations," repiled his foreign advisor.

"What a shame... if only we had a map detailing their expansions!" mused the tsar. "Such information would help us out greatly in determining where our settlers should head next. Send out our best cartographers on the double."

With a quick "It shall be as you say, my lord Tsar" Sergeyev ducked out to see to it. Mikhail returned to the letters cluttered on his desk, hoping that the results would come back soon.

OOC: uknemesis, can we get another map today? It's been over two days now, and I'm sure we're all curious how far our explorers have gotten. :)

Sweden is continuing to colonize S. America and what's left for it of Iceland

The internet at my home has crashed and burned again from another server change by my cable provider (I'm surrently at my local library). Unfortunately my time to spend on here is going to be significantly reduced for the nxt week so don't be alarmed by my suddern laziness.

To: Président de l'Amérique, Monsieur Albert Gore
From: Roi de la France, Morique de Bourbon IV
Subj: At long last!


We celebrate the final answer to peace in North America with our new friends in the United States! I invite you all to a great French feast at Hispanola to acknowledge the newfound calm in the new world ;).

Hans will be there

MAP OF THE WORLD IN 1505
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/uknesmap8.jpg

Sorry guys, this is rushed as I have to get going, and I fell asleep before I could do anything last night.

If there's anything seriously wrong, please tell me!

Oh, and Alaska went to Rome in a PM.

NOW UPDATED AGAIN!

Nemesis

Right, new rule which I hope most will abide by to make my life easier.

Have a wordpad or word doc on your pc with your troop and ship deployments on. When you move troops, update it on this document, and copy and paste it at the bottom of the post where you move the troops, or if some are secret moves, in a pm to me.

Also please include at the bottom a quick summary of your actions - ie; "attack Ireland".

If you want to write where your troops are on the main thread but not where a few are, then put those as in an undisclosed location, but leave them in where they should be in a pm to me.

I will have documents for each country on my PC which I can update from your updates, and this allows me to portray surprise attacks easily, give out information easily(with risks attached of course!) and have some clue what people are doing.

Basically, this will make life much easier for me, so please do it! I know some already do, but if all do it then it is much easier.

If you are attacked by surprise and I don't have updated troop info for you, then I will try to estimate what I can. If that means that you end up losing the area because I have less of your troops in the battle than you think should be there, then so be it.

Sorry to have to make such an annoying rule, but it's hard keeping up with it all!

If everyone just has a file where their armed forces deployments are then it is easy to update and copy and paste into a thread or pm, and then I also have a quick reference to it.

Thanks!

Nemesis

I'll get right to it. I am a bit weak so it should not take too long :D

MAP HAS BEEN UPDATED DUE TO SOME ORDERS BY PM THAT I MISSED. IF ANYONE STILL HAS A PROBLEM WITH THE MAP, PM ME.

I have also added rings around the groups of islands to show who owns them, thanks to a suggestion by sealman.

Nemesis

Map updated once more after I realised Rome colonised Alaska, not Spain!

Hopefully won't need to be updated again!

Nemesis

Sorry to bother you, but I colonized the Phillipines, not France. Shouldn't there at least be a split? Or did France get there faster? No problem if he did, just wondering if it's a mistake...

Oh crap, I was in such a rush when I made that map.

Anyway, disregard the pink, it should be turquoise, as the Persians colonised the Phillipines, not the French.

I'll update it in the next map, but until then, THE PHILLIPINES BELONG TO PERSIA.

Nemesis

People all over Russia mourned at the news. The tsar was dead, having passed away of illness. Nations all over the world poured in their condolences to the new tsar, Mikhail's young son Alexei Romanov. Mikhail would long be remembered for his love of peace and learning, as well as his prominent role in negotiating an end to the American War.

========================

In his planning room deep in the heart of the Kremlin, Alexei was smiling. He had loved his father deeply, but thought that the old man's desire for peace was a sign of softness. A messenger entered the room with news for the new tsar, causing Alexei to smooth his face into an unreadable state.

"Have my plans been executed?" asked Alexei.

"Yes my Lord Tsar, everything you asked for. And no one else suspects a thing."

"Very good. You are dismissed," replied Alexei. The young tsar's face broke out into a wolfish smile once again as the messenger departed. His father may have been a peaceful man, but Alexei Mihailovich Romanov was not.

To: Russia
From: King Blackadder
Subj: Terrible Loss
Your countries loss is a sad one, a great man has passed away. A man who's life was dedicated to peace and prosperity. As an act of respect Britain shall fly all our flags at half-mast, an action reserved for only members of the royal family.
I dearly hope that the new Tsar is as wise as his father and be-friends all nations before him.
Our deepest condolences,
King Blackadder

To: King Haakon Magnusson
From: King Blackadder
Subj: Welcome
As the King and undisputed ruler of Great Britain and it's colonies I'd like to welcome you as a peaceful neighbour and friend. We hope that you will help us in creating a friendly Europe with strong friendships.
Yours,
King Blackadder

To: Shah Darius I
From: King Blackadder
Subj: Australia
As you know our two countries border each other in Australia. I hope that you will respect our positions and stay upon your half of the island. I hope that through this peace shall be maintained.
Yours.
King Blackadder

To: Emperor Hans Hickthen
From: King Blackadder
Subj: Welcome
As the King and undisputed ruler of Great Britain and it's colonies I'd like to welcome you as a peaceful neighbour and friend. We hope that you will help us in creating a friendly Europe with strong friendships.
Yours,
King Blackadder

To: King Rey Juan Carlos II & King Monrique de Bourbon IV
From: King Blackadder
Subj: An Official Alliance
I have enclosed an alliance offer which I hope all our nations can sign, this treaty shall be available so that we may all work together for a peaceful solution in a conflict:


London-Paris-Madrid Peace Pact
I. If one Pact Member is declared war upon then it is the duty of all other members to aid that member by declaring war upon the aggressor.
II. All members agree to exchange in technology and military but are allowed to keep certain information secret if neccessary.
III. All members ports are open for free trade between all pact members.
IV. If a pact member declares war against another nation then the other members do not have to aid that member.
V. All conflicts must be resolved peacefully if possible.
VI. All information in this treaty shall be reviewed every 10 years depending on the inclusion of new members and current international affairs.
Signed Blackadder .................... ....................


I dearly hope you shall sign this and add anything you feel neccessary.
Yours,
King Blackadder

The death of a Tsar

Augustus sat quietly at his oversized desk as his foreign minister read the communique from the new Russian Tsar.

Romanov had indeed been killed, this news was just confirmation of the message he had gotten from his secret police agent in Moscow. All reports indicated that Romanov had died honorably in his sleep from a long illness, but the timing of it seemed all to conveinent to Caesar. Romanov the senior was a dear friend to Caesar, and his passing will certainly lead to much speculation.

No matter, that is an internal issue for Alexi to figure out. Caesar knew of Alexi, having met him before during visits with Romanov. He knew that Tsar Alexi would be a ruthless tactitian, and very pragmatic about Russia's role in world events. Whereas Tsar Romanov was a politician first, and isolationist at that, Augustus knew from his profile that Tsar Alexi would not be sitting back and waiting for the world to come to him.

"Bring me Maximus!" called the Caesar.

Upon Maximus' arrive, Caesar advised of the events in Moscow, and finally ordered him to proceed with Caesar Directive X.

"So it is really happening?" asked a stunned Maximus.

"Yes my friend," Caesar replied, "we have no choice, the events in Moscow have confirmed it. The Roman army must respond to the challenge in our world, everything has changed now that Romanov is dead. Make me proud Maximus!"

Augustus was more warm and friendly with General Maximus than usual. He knew that much blood would be shed over the coming weeks. He hoped that Maximus' blood would not be a part of that, but the interests of Rome must be defended.

For Maximus' part, he responded as always in these situations. With a stiff stand at attention, and firm salute, he shouted "Hail Caesar!" and left the chambers.

Augustus slumped in his chair, yes, he hoped there would be a minimum of casualties, but casualties there would be indeed....Romanov was dead, there was no other choice.........

What I feared has happened. Toasty was right; Britain and France are now too weak to really have a chance. Rome, Russia, Germany and Persia have ganged up on France mainly to teach them a lesson for being bullies. Britain as France's ally seems to also have to pay a price.

But Britain is a naval power, and many seem to have underestimated them, so read on.

Losses will be tremendous as you are attacking nations now fighting for their lives, especially in Britain's sea battles, but many more will live to fight another day, dug in.

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Naval battles are always the first part of invasion when it comes to islands, so I will resolve these first:

EUROPEAN WATERS

Russia=50 ships(Ancient)
Persia=100 ships(Ancient)
Germany=150 ships(Medieval)
Rome=100 ships(Medieval)

Britain=350 ships(Medieval)
France=100 ships(Medieval)

The Axis try to blockade Britain and France.

The Allies(France and Britain) held the advantage of number over the Axis(Germany, Russia, Rome and Persia, so called cause your positions remind me a bit of WW2!) in European waters, and their technological advantage soon decided it. Admiral Nelson led Britain to a crushing victory over the combined fleets before the French ships had even arrived, although Britain had paid a heavy price. But the Allies ruled the seas in Europe, and so Britain at least was safe.

Russian losses=50 ships
Persian losses=100 ships
German losses=150 ships
Roman losses=100 ships

British losses=200 ships
French losses=None

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ATLANTIC OCEAN

Rome=200 ships(medieval)
Germany=150 ships(medieval)

Britain=100 ships(medieval)
France=100 ships(medieval)

The Roman Fleet engaged first, and was mostly destroyed for heavy French losses. Then the Germans arrived, and Britain's battered ships began to go under. Eventually, the Allies were defeated, but for huge Axis cost.

Roman losses=180 ships
German losses= 120 ships

British losses=100 ships
French losses=100 ships

The Roman and Germans used their naval power to try and support landings, but failed as medieval cannon were very poor at attacking shore targets - land cannon were better and hit ships easier than ships hit land.

Eventually they settle down to just preventing reinforcements.

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INDIAN OCEAN

Britain=200 ships

Persia=200 ships
Rome=100 ships

The British easily overwhelm the ancient Persian fleet, and are mopping up when the Romans arrive. After a fierce battle, the Romans join their allies at the bottom of the ocean.

British ships immediately spread out looking for transports,
knowing that invasions are likely.

British losses=150 ships

Roman losses=100 ships
Persian losses=200 ships

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AUSTRALIA AND NEW ZEALAND

British=Australia:1.5 divisions New Zealand:0.5 divisions

Rome=2 divisions
Persia=17 divisions

The reinforcements to help take Australia are mauled by British ships, but a few escape to join the attack.

The nine ancient Persian divisions make good headway against the one and a half British divisions stationed in Australia.

In New Zealand, two Roman divisions land and begin an attack upon the five regiments stationed there. The garrison is unprepared and eventually destroyed at a heavy price.

In Australia, the Persians are hurt badly by fierce British resistance. The Persians have to hold the land they have taken, knowing that to carry on is risking their entire colony.

Persian losses= 12 divisions
Roman losses=1 division

British losses=1 division(half on New Zealand, half on Australia)

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CAMBODIA

France=2 divisions
Persia=13 divisions

The invasion fleet(it has to be a fleet as it can't pass through China or India) is intercepted by British ships and badly hurt. Only a few divisions escape the mauling out of 13, and land in Cambodia.

After a bitter fight, the French drive the Persians back into the sea.

Persian losses=13 divisions
French losses=1 division

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ARABIA

Britain=2 divisions
Persia=20 divisions

The British ships are unable to help the Arabian garrison as the Persians attack overland. The British fight to the last man, but only succeed in destroying half the invasion force.

Persian losses=10 divisions
British losses=2 divisions

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FRANCE AND THE LOW COUNTRIES

Russia= 60 divisions
Germany=47 divisions
Rome=23 divisions

France=31 divisions
Spain=2 divisions

The overwhelming numbers drive the French back, and Spain is brought into the war as German and Russian troops pour over the border. The resistance is very fierce, but the Spanish are eventually defeated by weight of number.

The French counter-attack, causing heavy losses to the Russians, who are targets due to their ancient weaponry. The staggering Russian losses, two thirds of their force, are proof of the French determination to defend their homeland.

Roman units spearhead a drive towards Spain, but are eventually stopped. In the north, the Germans are halted outside Paris. The Russians fall back to lick their wounds after supporting their allies.

Nearly a million men lay dead in the area, mainly Russians, in a war for no reason other than greed. Now that the borders have stabilised, it is hoped that losses will be less.

Russian losses=40 divisions
German losses=27 divisions
Roman losses=13 divisions

French losses=11 divisions

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AFRICA

France=South Africa:1.5 divisions North Africa=0.5 divisions

Germany=8 divisions against South Africa
Rome=5 divisions against South Africa, 5 against North

The French hold out to the last in North Africa, but eventually fall. The Romans take casualties, but not as many as France would have liked.

In the South, the French fight harder, and five divisions fall before the last Frenchman dies.

Africa is a disaster for the French, after getting so wrapped up in Canada, they left the African colonies with less protection. Madagascar only held because of the Royal Navy ruling the seas, and the Romans and Germans apparently not being interested in the island.

French losses=2 divisions

German losses=3 divisions
Roman losses=4 divisions

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Rome=20 ships
Germany=30 ships

Britain=100 ships

Admiral Nelson leads half of the British force in European waters into the South Atlantic to engage the last Roman and German ships. He finds them, and brings them to battle.

The Romans and Germans go down with their ships, causing more casualties to the Royal Navy on a ship-to-ship basis than any other battle in history.

British losses=50 ships

Roman losses=20 ships
German losses=30 ships

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Sorry guys, but I made France and Germany pay, now it's your turn to get bloody noses from playing the bullies! The Royal Navy rules the waves, however you thought you could defeat them, I don't know, as the British naval strength was too great.

NEW MAP FOR 1506

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/uknesmap9.jpg

Any complaints etc?

Nemesis

All out of character: Well I can't say I'm surprised by the results, we were kind of counting on horrendous losses to keep the game balanced. The only thing I'm batting an eye at is the results in Australia (190,000 men can't defeat 15,000 in a surprise attack? Hmmm....) Everything else was fine with me.

I have a suggestion to make: how about after this Sunday when everyone's forces come back, we have a rule where instead of "once a week everything comes back" we have "10% of your total forces come back each DAY." That way, instead of France being greatly weakened for 7 days then full strength, they would have been slowing growing back some 8 divisions each day. IMO this is more realistic as well.

But don't get too on us for this uknemesis. This game was getting booooring; NOTHING was happening. That's the only reason I agreed to this war; you don't see Russia gaining anything from it, do you? And France having control of Africa was a little unbalancing anyway. Plus we get to have lots of pent-up aggression from now on! Trust me, this game will be lots more fun now. And I fully expect that at some point in time soon, Toasty and Dexter will get to have their revenge. :)

Complaints?

UK, how could I complain?

The naval results, for once, are understandable. Since the main fleet is ancient against a naval British medieval, the losses are slightly realistic.

However, please don't tell me I just lost my entire fleet in one year. Also, I gave orders that if the Atlantic blockade were faced by 300 or more ships, a fighting retreat should be fought. They were faced by 450 and fought to the last man. Insubordination in the fleet is one thing. Sheer lack of common sense is another.

For example, I outnumber the enemy 6 to 1 in Australia, I'm attacking over flat ground, the enemy is facing the other way looking for a naval attack after the fleet battle, and you tell me I made "good headway". Last time I checked, this was a situation from which a defending general might be lucky to salvage his army. The Romans aren't even in the war yet, as far as the New Zealanders know - the Italian battles are too far away - and they are outnumbered 4:1. Suddenly Italy loses half its attacking army.

Again, I outnumber the army in Cambodia 6:1 and my entire army is destroyed. Even if half was destroyed by the British fleet, that's still a ridiculous outcome. Cambodia is defended by TWO divisions, this should have been an EASY victory for any attacker with 5 or more divisions. I committed 13, and they all die.

I don't even want to look at Arabia.

OK, I looked at Arabia. Luckily, my army here seems to have escaped the omnipresent, omnipotent British fleet, which suddenly seems to have swelled to majestic proportions. Anyway, I'm attacking over SAND. Pure, flat, easy sand. I outnumber the enemy TEN to ONE. The enemy is destroyed. And I lose half my army. I'm wavering between hysterical laughter and disgust!

I'm scared to find out what happened in Europe... since when was Spain in this war? Did you get a secret PM? Or did you just decide to commit his troops to battle?

I get the numbers now. Lunacy. Russia loses half its army attacking through Belgium. If anyplace is EASIER to attack over than sand, it's Belgium. But it loses 40 Divisions!

Combined, the Allies number 33 Divisions. The Axis numbers 130. Attacking in formation, with prepared battle plans, sheer surprise and an enormous weight of numbers. The Allies are barely hurt. The Axis loses about 2/3 of its force.

Africa is yet another example of a 6:1, surprise attack, overland, flat land, etc etc. All our attacks were CALCULATED to be at least 5:1. Yet the French are decimated, at the cost of more than 3 times the loss in Axis casualties. This isn't WWI.

This is really ridiculous. In NO colony has France or Britain committed more than 5 Divisions to battle. Each of my attacks numbered at least 12 or 13. In some colonies Britain was just guarding the land with HALF a division! All my attacks, with the exception of Cambodia, were over flat land.

Not to mention that you have the British fleet flitting from battle to battle as if it had radar. Last time I checked, Medieval did not mean radar.

I certainly enjoyed the idea of a moderated NES. It allowed quite a bit of diplomatic skullduggery, realistic roleplay, and interesting politics (thanks to Tsar, Caesar, and King for a fantastic conspiracy!) But in the end it seems kind of pointless when the moderator can't even keep track of which islands you colonised, though you posted it loud and clear and even PM'd him/her.

I agree that having the moderator be a player is silly. But even more ludicrous is having combat governed, not by the moderator's interest as a player, but as the moderator's interest as a spectator.

Literally, diplomacy means nothing in this game. The past few years have taught me that well.

Since their inception as rulers, France/Britain have done nothing but threaten and blackmail their neighbors, from Spain to America to even Russia. Yet no consequence descends upon King Bourbon and King Blackadder.

France wasted half its troops fighting a futile war in Quebec. After peace talks, France made no move to lessen its inflamattory rhetoric or even make friends with nations such as Germany or Russia, which could easily squash it.

On the other hand, Persia and Russia have secretly developed a campaign, talked and convinced other nations into joining, organized their scheme, and cautiously waited to use their armies.

The Axis struck at France and Britain in a move that should have rendered them masters of all the Allied colonies. It was a masterpiece of planning and surprise, even counting the un-looked-for British fleet.

So what happens? You decide Britain and France shouldn't face consequences for recklessly destroying half their troops. You decide they shouldn't face consequences for neglecting to protect their colonies. You decide they shouldn't face consequences for not forging alliances, for not befriending other nations, and for causelessly bullying other world powers.

You decide not to reward planning, not to reward stealth, not to reward diplomacy, and above all not to reward realism and strategy.

I certainly enjoyed playing this NES as it taught me many things. I hope to meet you all again, but for now I cede Persia to whoever wishes to step into my shoes. I wish the best of luck for my successor, as that is what he will most likely need. Strategy, of course, is not needed.

Yours till we meet again,

Shah Darius I, The Troquelet.

Don't worry, I know why you started the war, it was becoming boring with no more colonisation.

And okay, the rule is now changed to 10%, I'll update the main page tomorrow to include that rule.

Nemesis

I am absolutely disgusted by the events that are takling place. You all have taken advantage of my limited internet avaliability, my hard-fought and fair war and my inappropriate weakness. You have taken what balance this game had and thrown it out the window with your dirty bathwater, you medieval savages. I fight with absolute resolve and by god I hope you all pay dearly for your pathetic mercantile actions. Frankly, you can all bend over and kiss my sweet patootie.

Official decree of the French Monarchy:
Paris will be defended to the last man. The government does not leave it's fair city and the local police force has been equipped as much as possible (some men carry only spears). Whatever destruction may come from the depraved and evil governments that so chose to attack us shall meet their paril at the gates of Paris. Conscription all over France has been enacted and every citizen has sworn it as his sacred duty to save his country and king.
I hope you enjoy the casualties of you conquests, gentlemen; surely they will not be worth the blood that is on your hands and in the fields of France.

To: Emperor Hans Hickthen of Sweden
From: Roi de France, Monrique de Bourbon IV
Subject: Anti-German pact

The time has come. There is no denying your written obligation and German aggression against our pact. Your country must be mobilized and we will fight side by side with our Swedish allies.

Enjoy your war.

To: King Darius of Persia
From: Roi de France, Monrique de Bourbon IV
Subj: Complaints

If you want to complain, whine your ass off. You're the one who told me to suck up losing 20 divisions; you should just shut your menacing, opportunist pie-hole. You complain of my inappropriate actions, my lack of diplomacy: I did that for my nation's part! If you just gang-bang with things like this, the game gets even more boring. What happens if you walk right over us? Cycle repeats. YOU are the one making it boring my friend, not me.
Good day.

I retain my statement of being disgusted thoroughly by all of these nations involved. You may have been bored, but hold on to your britches and make FAIR wars and it might be a bit more fun.

Originally posted by Toasty
I retain my statement of being disgusted thoroughly by all of these nations involved. You may have been bored, but hold on to your britches and make FAIR wars and it might be a bit more fun. [/B]

All OOC

Fair wars?????? Such as England, Spain, and Britain bullying America??? Oh, I see, your definition of fair is a bit jaded :D Turnabout is fair play as they say....or perhaps more appropriately, pot...kettle...black

As to the battles, I too am bewildered at the casualties. We deployed 3-1 odds in "modern equipment" and 4-1 overall in France. There was overwhelming force deployed around the world, and we did that on purpose after seeing the grotesque casualty count from the North America wars.

I'm not sure where the fleet battles would have effected much of anything on land, as the Persian army was already in Australia, and attacked over land everywhere. The only seaborne invasion was really my hit on New Zealand, and that was appropriately costly. We didn't go after Madigascar just for the reasons mentioned, we feared the fleets opposed to us.

In the battles with even numbers at sea, it appears that the British navy is given great strength, which is fine with me, it is certainly a historical trait, but if that is the case, then surely the Roman legion should be afforded that same strength on land.

Yet in the big picture, it seems that three major powers, deploying all of their armies cannot defeat a single undermanned nation in war. If it is a no-violence game you want uknemisis, and it is your game to run, then I believe you will get what you wish. There is no way that any battle can ever go to the attacker in this game, for if you can't win with 12-1 odds, then how can you win?

Before continuing on, I too would like some explaination of how these results are being "calculated".

I love the stories you write "uk", they are some of the best writing on these boards, but this game is very bewildering at this point.

Bill

FAIR WAR???

Oxymoron alert! Oxymoron alert!

Humor aside, Toasty, I think you look(ed) on this game as too much of a wargame instead of a diplomacy and negotiation game, which is why you (should have, if not for UK) got pounded.

Let's put it this way, there is only one way to defend your country, and that is with an army. If you don't have an army, you must be doing something wrong: either you wasted it early in the game (check), or your allies are all weak (check), or maybe you HAVE no allies, or maybe you have too many enemies (check), or no plan (check). As you can see, 4 reasons already why your country has no army and is weak/undefended!

Ways to emend this:

1. Make friends
2. Don't fight futile battles
3. Use skullduggery and conspiracy to keep your enemies away
4. Forge powerful, lasting alliances
5. The element of surprise - secret orders

As you can see, you used none of these. You had no plans, secret or not-secret, to defend your country if suddenly attacked - witnessed by the fact that Britain didn't help you, and Spain sent 2 (!!) divisions. You didn't make friends - America is alienated by you and Persia certainly wasn't on the best of terms. You threatened Russia - you THREATENED Russia!!! You should have befriended Russia and attacked ME. Skullduggery and conspiracy - none except threats to keep away, and constant messages to UK to renew the army because you're too weak to defend yourself (showing your weakness, and expecting NOT to be attacked?). Futile battles? You lost half your army over a dispute that could have been solved by talk, and maybe Italy wouldn't have Alaska now.

So it's hardly surprising that we take advantage of your (self-proclaimed, self-imposed, and self-evident) weakness.

Look at you: even now, at your last extremity, you don't make friends with Japan, who could help you by pincering Russia, or try and secretly win over one of the Axis to your side, which could easily work with a little tact, (especially the now neutral Persia, who, being controlled by UK, is obviously DESPERATE to join your side :rolleyes:). What do you do? You try and cheat the game by "manufacturing" more troops out of thin air and policemen, and you bully Sweden into joining you in a war which is entirely not in his interest, has no rewards for him, is totally outnumbered in, and no sane person would join in on - this from the peaceful Sweden who refused to take sides in America (or has that tidbit of history slipped out of your mind). It's not surprising we were able to fabricate a conspiracy around your countries without you even noticing. You haven't talked to me at all except in haughty bulletins that call me a "piehole" and a "savage". I'm not competent to debate on whether or not that is true, but I can certainly tell you that even if it is, it is not a terribly good way to make me your political ally. I could take eastern Russia now if I wanted, without Russia suspecting until the last second (just a hyptothetical situation, Tsar, don't worry!!!), but do I want to when the only person who can help me do that is insulting me, and the person I would be attacking has built up a long-term friendship and trust with my nation?

Of course, none of this really matters in the "real game", because UK just makes the losses about equal percentages no matter if the odds are 6:1 or even 10:1 (I'm still p-o'd about losing half my army attacking an enemy a tenth of my size over an open plain, but we'll let that pass for the moment..)

(OK, Troq, cool off, cool off!!!)

Sorry bout that.

Also, I see a tiny bit of hypocrisy in that you fight a war three on one, and don't want a war fought on you four to three or even four with Sweden! and with the advantage of God's own navy, and a defense-biased moderator.

But you're absolutely right about something, King Bourbon! I am a menacing oppurtunist pie-hole! I should have spoken out about the unfair American results instead of using the situation to my advantage. Now I see our results are even more unfair than yours (even though ours should be HUGELY better: 6:1 in Australia, Arabia, as compared to Spain's 8:5 in Panama and your roughly 4:3 in Canada)...

I mean, it wasn't a mistake I left 10 troops at home, easily crushable by the next person to walk in. I did it, and so did everyone else (Italy had 5 divisions defending!) because we'd been to North America and seen the attacker's casualties. We MORE than made up for any defending bias UK might have. Yet it seems ten to one odds are not enough to keep half of one's army with body and soul connected. It defies statistics. You didn't even have defences and forts like America had, at least none UK thought worthy of mention! AND our attack had the element of surprise. etc, etc, etc. I could go on, but you don't want to hear it.

Anyway, I don't see the point in the game anymore because our actions are ignored anyway and have no real reflection on the map.

I know that was an inflammatory comment, but let's just look at the numbers, shall we?

To be continued. I'll post a STATISTICAL resume of the battle to show how ridiculous it really was.

PERSIA engaged 300 SHIPS and lost 300.
PERSIA engaged 53 DIVISIONS and lost 35.
RUSSIA engaged 50 SHIPS and lost 50.
RUSSIA engaged 60 DIVISIONS and lost 47.
By the way, UK, the France attack was in two prongs, one from the south as well. Another secret plan neglected, along with the Atlantic debacle which I'm SURE my Fleet Commander was not suicidal enough to continue.
ITALY engaged 420 SHIPS and lost 400.
ITALY engaged 35 DIVISIONS and lost 18.
GERMANY engaged 330 SHIPS and lost 300.
GERMANY engaged 55 DIVISIONS and lost 30.

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TOTAL AXIS RESUME:
Out of 1,100 ships engaged, 1050 were sunk.
Out of 203 divisions engaged, 130 were killed.

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BRITAIN engaged 750 SHIPS and lost 500.
BRITAIN engaged 4 DIVISIONS and lost 3.

By the way, I notice the British fleet size is exactly five times bigger than stated - 150. I can understand a ship fighting twice or even three times on the same day, but 5 battles a day and still winning is ridiculous. I also don't seem to understand how King Blackadder is going to explain to the Press about having lost more Ships than he actually has...

FRANCE engaged 200 SHIPS and lost 100.
FRANCE engaged 35 DIVISIONS and lost 14.

Again, I notice that the French fleet size is twice what is noted - 100. They seem to have lost 100 now however. What does that mean? Do they not have a navy anymore, or can they just keep on fighting with non-existent ships? (heavy sarcasm) non-existent ships, may I add, which constantly trounce my own navy. That certainly says a statement about my power on the seas! :)

SPAIN engaged no ships, which is perhaps why France had to work overtime. Tsk, tsk.
SPAIN engaged 2 Divisions and lost none. Talk about a record.

Humorous remarks aside:

TOTAL ALLIED RESUME:
Out of 950 Ships, 600 were lost.
Out of 41 Divisions, 17 were lost.
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Now before you start complaining about France losing more, let's look at the ODDS:

TOTAL AXIS: 1100 SHIPS, 203 DIVISIONS
TOTAL ALLIES: 950 SHIPS, 41 DIVISIONS

So, while the heavy casualties on both sides at sea, with more losses for Axis, are realistic considering GB, it is certainly NOT realistic for an attacker attacking EVERYWHERE over a flat plain (except Cambodia) and 5:1 odds, to get trounced: 130 Divisions lost in the Axis to a mere 17 in the Allies! Please! We outnumber you 5:1 yet we lose more than 5 times as much men? Is that real statistics?

"Sir, the attack on France has halted outside Paris. Although we've made good progress, we were fighting castles, and our losses are heavy, sir."
"How heavy is heavy?"
"Hmmm... Last count? Twenty-seven divisons in France, three in Africa, sir, but..."
"300.000 men?!"
"But sir, this has been a unifying war for our countries. They all now feel they have fought a common enemy. This is good. Shall we press the attack on Paris?"
"Hell no! Fall back, fortify, regroup. Our orders from Russia (whose lapdogs we obviously are, even into this insane and feraky war) were to hold our ground. The castles have been repaired, yes?"
"Yes, sir."
"Good. We've captured Elsatz-Löttringen (Alsace-Lorraine) and the Flemish countries, so now all Germannic countries are united under one flag. That's all we really need, anyway. Now all we need to do is pray that God (Read: The Moderator (That's YOU, uk)) treats us as well on defense as he treated the French whom so many died attacking.

OOC:
While I find it odd that we lost so disproprtionately many men, I suppose we'll have to put up with it. But I wil definetely be pissed if French counter-offencives win them back the land they lost! We should be treated at least as well as them on defence.
Oh, and Toasty...
Please don't ever, EVER, presume to call the North American conflict a fair war. That was even worse than our one!

Right, now that just p*sses me right off. You gang up on a weakened country, especially one who's leader wasn't here very often, and attack it. Yes it is injured in an unfair war, but this one is even more unfair, and so the casualties reflected the way I felt about this war.

I can't have you destroying a country in the medieval age! What do you expect me to do, let France fall and ruin the game for another player, one who is playing it well in the diplomatic field by being a b*stard, which some rulers are, and making it more enjoyable for all?

Persia's ancient fleets had no chance against Britain's. And as for the numbers of ships lost, check your numbers, cause I'm sure that I calculated mine correctly.

Germany was the nation who had 100 ships more than they should in the reports, due to them building up their strength by an extra 50 ships per fleet out of nowhere in the PM. And it said that the Low Counties were to be attacked.

THE LOW COUNTRIES BELONG TO SPAIN!

Anyway, I know that the combat system is unregulated, which is why tonight I will be bringing everyone back up to full strength and reorganising a new combat system, based partially on random numbers(dice) but also on advantages; ie; Britain gets an extra +1 at sea and other nations get their bonuses, all nations get +1 while defending their homeland, etc. I'm just not sure yet how to portray weight of number, but I'll figure it out.

And if someone gets their ass kicked in the new combat system, and starts whining, then I couldn't give a sh*t about this anymore.

I've now also decided to advance an age Wednesday nights as well, to end this one quicker, so when we get to modern we can have a UN Secretary General election.

And then maybe we can begin a new NES that I'll create, UKNES(from Toasty's name for this game). It will be more rules for combat and trade, and actually have income so you can decide what army or navy to build. I am planning that one as we speak.

But I have limited time to moderate this, I have to work out the combat reports for a huge f*cking invasion and can't find a modern readout of British and French troop deployments so I have to guess from reading the older ones, and yes I may have made a mistake!

But don't f*cking have a go at me, that really p*sses me right off!

Now, tonight, when I post a message saying so, all troops and ships will be restored. No offence Germany, Rome, Persia and Russia, but I hope that France and Britain kick your ass back to the stone age even in the new combat system to make you pay for this sneak attack.

And yes, there will be a surprise bonus in the new combat system, +1. I will apply it to attacks made in areas not expecting it, and sometimes an extra one to an entire nation if a sudden invasion is launched(as I probably should have done here.)

Anyway, get off my back! I'll sort the blasted thing out!

And I need regular troops deployments from you all! Especially France and Britain!

Nemesis

Man I'm so pissed off!!! We gave peace to america fairly and they have since doubled their lands!! It's crap that at a time when my land army is too weak to battle even a fly and defeat it!! I want to know how I'm expected to win this war?!
I was hopping that all war would be delayed until the napoleonic age!! I have learned a great lesson all those nations which have declared war are now officially untrustable, I also hate how the main thread gave no inclinations of this attack? You'd at least think I would have noticed massive troop build-ups and movements!!!
Although I'm not going to be a sore looser and quit or anything, I'm just a little annoyed.

To: King Rey Juan Carlos
From: King Blackadder
Subj: Help!
I request that you aid us by entering this unprovoked war upon our side and sign the recent treaty I made up! Please your armies are needed now more than ever. If you don't want to see yourself fighting the combined evils by yourself you must help!
Yours,
King Blackadder

To: King Monrique de Bourbon
From: King Blackadder
Subj: WAR!!
We must battle now for our lifes!! The evil axis is closing in but we must never surrender!!! Combining our forces is the only way we shall survive!! Sign our recent treaty and let us battle together!!
Viva la resistance!
Yours,
King Blackadder

To: Emepror Hans Hickthen
From: His Ever Grateful King Blackadder
Subj: WAR!!
Your Royal Greatness! Please we beg of you that you enter the war upon France and Britain's side!! Unless you want Persia, Russia and Germany to rule the world. They shall never stop and will surely come after you!! Please heed my call your armies are needed now more than ever!!
Yours,
King Blackadder

Actions:
- Surrender in Australia and return those surving troops to South America.

Britain King Blackadder
Troops In Total: 80,000
Troops Abroad: 54,000
Ships Abroad: 150 (All patrolling the coast of Britain to protect from invasion)
Troops In Britain: 38,000
Troops In Canada: 14,000
Troops In South America: 40,000

Uknemesis I have ben keeping my troop deployments posted at the bottom of my posts, but I've never seen any from Russia, Germany, Persia or Rome. If my positions are being revealed I want to know everyone's like you requested in your new rule change.
Thanks:D
Further more I'm going to need far more troops than I had at the start of this game to win the war, even if I did have 150,000 troops again I would never stand a chance against Russia in a straight war!
Well thanx again, and don't worry I'm gonna kick all of the members of the axis's ass!!! :lol:

The UKNES that I'm creating will give you money every day, so you can decide what to buy(people will be stopped from building up huge armies by upkeep costs). Basically, you will be able to decide what you want to specialise in. Also, there will be more units available, with Civ3 like stats. I have also created a new combat system that will make it fair. Numbers will have the advantage as each fight is taken division against division, with the defending divisions having to fight again and again until they are all dead or all the enemy are, or I decide that there should be a stalemate due to losses.

Artillery will also be in it, as will trade and advancing through the ages if I can figure out how I want to do that. Otherwise, advancing will be the same as it is in this one.

As for this game, Britain doesn't need a huge land army, Russia will never be able to defeat the Royal Navy! And if you use your navy correctly to blockade, then you can send your army in force to take islands, which can't be reinforced by the enemy.

As for the UKNES, I'm hoping to have it posted by tonight or tomorrow, and hopefully have everyone move over onto that one as it will be a lot more advanced. Basically, it will be Civ3 in a NES.

But for now, this game will run using the basic combat system that I will use for UKNES, with each unit having an attack and defence value. The way that the combat is resolved is still random, meaning a spearman might be able to defeat a knight, but is at the disadvantage.

So when more combat is resolved, don't start having a go any of you, as it will be completely fair!

Nemesis

Can i play? I think i will be egypt.

Double post.

The Troquelet: I called on Sweden, not bullying them, because we made a SECRET DEFENSIVE PACT AGAINST THE GERMANS after they swiped up Iceland and Greenland. Also, there was a sort of "entente cordiale" between me, England, and Spain--the alliance was completely in place with England but Spain had as of yet remined very aloof. You claim I made no diplomacy? I negotiated a GENEROUS peace treaty with America and stated my intent to move towards friendly terms with them. I did not become friends with Germany because a quiet Europe is immensely boring but one that is simply walked over is even worse.
My diplomacy was not lacking, I had the interests of the game being enjoyed at heart as opposed to greed.

America not a fair war? All told, the combined forces of Britain and France only committed 32 divisions total, with 28 being the most in America at any one time. You, Russia, Germany and Rome yieldeld 130,000 in France, 130,000 in Cambodia, 12,000 in Africa...the list goes on at a vicious attempt to ruin the fun of this game by overpowering me when I had done nothing to you specifically.

You can bawl all you want about how I did not play the game fairly; I enjoy playing the badguy but when you attempt to unrealistically stamp the whole world out after 5 turns it ruins it. You all deserve no credit for what you attempted and UK was right, in the words of Sullla, for the sake of game balance.

These are not supposed to be "conquer the world in one turn" games and you have essentially ruined it. Thanks sincerely.

OOC Toasty,

Allow me to placate you - I have been misinterpreted - I have nothing against players who roleplay evil rulers, etc.

Again misinterpreted: the attack was by NO means expected to wipe you off the face of the earth! The French attack was calculated just as a diversion. The blockade was to keep you from aiding your colonies. We deployed way more troops to your colonies.

Our goals were to seize your colonies, not to destroy your country. But it seems we can't even take some pitiful island from you without massive casualties (half my force lost in Arabia, half of Italy lost in New Zealand, all my force lost in Cambodia)...

Essentially, it seems that not only was it a diversion, it was a failure.

Your colonies SHOULD now belong to us. I don't care how "unfair" you think we were being, but let me just show you this:

On Sunday, your armies and navies are all coming back. Knowing you full well for the imperialistic, callous sort of king (in role-play) that you are, we knew that you would strike (with Britain and Spain behind you) at the next possible target. Quite possibly, Indonesia. Or maybe Africa. America again?

Who knows? But the point is, I decided I could not allow the Allies to grow large enough to unilaterally take over the world. I knew I couldn't win away one of the group to my side. So I formed my own alliance with the FRIENDS that I had already made through trade and peace - Russia and Italy. There you see your mistake. Your only friends had followed you into an idiotic war and they were too weak to protect you.

Russia, Italy, and I negotiated how to split your colonies. We planned the attack and executed it, with Germany's help.

You definitely should have seen this attack coming. I was very surprised that most of our attacks took you completely off guard. Consider:

1. You proclaimed your weakness by asking for more troops.
2. You hadn't heard from me since Russia withdrew from the peace plans. In itself a suspicious act.
3. You knew your colonies abutted on many neutral nations.

In effect, you spread yourself too thinly. Actually, you could easily have defended against me with the army that lies dead in Quebec, or the army that belongs Germany, which we convinced first, or the army of Japan, who you made no move to befriend, or the army of Persia or Russia, who you might have talked into backstabbing his neighbor. What do you do? You just sit there. You are outnumbered 5:1 and you don't even make secret orders to at least keep us off guard. No, you go and PROCLAIM that you're keeping all your troops in France: which not only makes Germany think you don't trust him, and makes it more easy for us to convince Germany, it also leaves your vital colonies totally undefended.

I'm telling you, if I were in your position in 1502 I wouldn't do nothing and hope for the best. But that's precisely what you do, and then you call it an unfair war. It most certainly is - one side knows what it's doing....[OOC]

"What happened?" a slightly bored Rey Juan Carlos II asked a breathless messenger.
"Sir, Russia and Germany have taken over our garrisons in the Netherlands and killed the local governor, duque Raul! It seems that an alliance has been formed between Russia, Germany, Rome and Persia. They have also attacked France and are now besieging Paris. It seems that an invasion on Britain was prevented by the Royal Navy but both France and Britain have lost several colonies. Rome now controls over two-thirds of Africa, sir."
"Estos malditos bastardos! Van a pagar por eso! Guards, bring me my aide and do it quickly! You're dismissed, messenger." A very angered Rey Juan Carlos II went to a window and stared outside. He remembered what a roman emperor had said centuries before, "The corpse of an enemy always smells sweet." and then he smiled.

To: Germany, Russia, Rome and Persia
Your unprovoked attack on the Netherlands and the death of a noble man will not go unpunished. Your attacks on our allies neither. War will be declared upon you if you fail to meet Spain's terms:
Give back all the land you conquered, lower the flags of your armies and march straight back home, stopping on every home you pass by and beg forgiveness for your atrocities. Do that and your man shall live, do it not and every man of you will die.

To: Roi Monrique de Bourbon IV and King Blackadder
This is a very dark hour for us, my friends. This is not a usual war we are fighting, but a struggle for survival. I will gladly ally with you and have already dispatched my armies to counter this aggression. Paris must not fall! We will not stop until the enemy capitals lie razed before us.

To: Al Gore
We offer you a pact of non-aggression. Spain is not willing to shed more blood over a few lands and hopes we both can forget differences we had in the past.

Stop squabbling all of you! I may have made mistakes before, but they will be rectified by the new combat rules.

All troops are now returned, as if it were Sunday, to sort out the mess I made of combat. AND FROM NOW ON, TROOPS WILL BE RETURNED AT A RATE OF 10% PER DAY, NOT EVERY SUNDAY.

And now I ask that all of you, now you have all of your troops back, send me a PM from each of you detailing where they all are(please Toasty, not just "5000 abroad", be specific!).

This will make the game easier to run.

And of course you can play, Trickey! What will your ruler name be? And I think many nations will be trying to get you to join them in an alliance!

Nemesis

PS:EVERYONE PM THEIR NEW TROOP DEPLOYMENTS TO ME!

Persia is a neutral state. Darius I abdicates. Darius II is given instructions to sign any reasonable peace terms.

OOC - Thanks for a cool game, up to a point. I learned a lot, I think.

Darius I, now no longer the Shah

PS - I will soon be starting my own NES (if I can work out a few details). I think Sullla is as well.

Anyway, thanks for listening to my ranting and not getting too p'o'd, UK. Sorry. Shouldn't have ranted quite so much.

See yall around.

- Washington:

Vice President Lieberman runs into Gore's office, "Sir. The people in the streets are celebrating the recent attacks against French, Spain and English holdings."
"What, we are at peace now. There should be no hatred!"
"Sir, we told you before, the people belive that you sold them out in the North American Treaty but stand behind you in your Panama defiance. There is no love between our citizens and those who attacked us."
"Fine, let the people celebrate but move troops to protect the homes and property of whatever French, Spanish and English citizens are still in the country. W.e must at least provide saftey to those guests."
"Yes sir, it is being done as we speak."

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To: Spain (forgot your leader's name)
Re: Panama

Considering the state of the current world situation, a full non-aggression pact may be hard to agree to. The only allies that we can form alliances with are currently at odds with your allies whom you are considering since a mutual protection pact with. With that information in mind, America is willing to sign a non-agression pact with Spain with the condition that should either of our nations find themselves at opposite sides of conflict, we will continue to abide by our pact regardless of any other diplomatic agreements. We are not sure if this is possible given current world politics. This pact will we binding for 5 years, after which time it can be re-negotiated.

In short, we will not attack your South American colonies and you refrain from interferring in Panama.

What say you,President Gore, America

PS. Regarding a naval crossing through the isthmus of Panama. Our engineers have examined the terrain and land throughout Panama and have informed us that a Canal spanning the entire Isthmus is presently not possible. Perhaps at some later date, a canal may be built and Spain and America can work together.

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To: Egypt

Honored Leader:

As you may be noticing, the world is in termoil at present time. America and Egypt both find themselves adrift while the French and Russian led coalitions wage war.

America is willing to enter into defensive agreements with your nation if Egypt is willing. America is also willing to assit Egypt in modernizing her armies.

President Gore, America

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To: Japan, Turkey, Egypt
Re: Alliance

Honored Leaders;

The American people would like to invite you to Washington in the hopes that we can form some sort of alliance to defend ourselves against possible aggessors. The European nations are recently engaged in war.

Despite the American War a few years back, America is dedicated to peace and prosperity with all nations. Together we can make those goals a reality.

We hope to hear from you,

President Gore, America

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OCC:
Sulla and Troquelet: Had I known I would have held out in North America to keep French toops busy for you! Regarding the large losses for the Russian coalitions, with the exception of Germany, all your forces were at the ancient level compared to the Mediveal level so large losses were to be expected.
The Troquelet: hope you decide to reconsider and stay in the game.
Uknemesis: I do think that the outcomes should be not be too heavily influenced by you in regards to some battles. France and England were weak after the American Affair but that is their own fault. They took the risks and it made them weak. If other nations take advantage of it, tough luck. (of course I am saying this because no one took advantage of America, oh wait, Spain did. :lol: (no offense meant Kwansn but I do feel that your assault was unprovoked)) The 10% return numbers are good and I would say that maybe a year should be 2 days, that would give some people who do not have total access an easier time, I start a new job in a few weeks and do not know if I can sit and play during the day like I do now. :D
My new troop deployments will be coming shortly. I see now that you have been busy and have not responded to my PMs.

What PMs?! Sorry, I had to clear out my inbox! If you mean what I think you mean, the answer will be comings shortly.

And the new combat system will mean that I can't influence the battles, but defenders do get a bonus in their homeland.

I agree that maybe we should have two day years now, so there will be no updated map tonight, but there will be tomorrow. This also makes life easier for me!

Nemesis

To: All Allied Powers
From: Tsar Alexei Mihailovich Romanov
Regarding: The Current War (World War I, we can probably call it)

The actions of the last few days have aroused considerable passions in all sides, which we feel is completely understandable. Nevertheless, it is time for all of our nations to come to a reasonable understanding on the current situation, and begin developing the framework for a post-war settlement. A few facts are in order first:

1) Our attack upon the Allies was done in response to arrogance on the part of France and Britain, who insulted both Russia and Persia at a time when they could little afford to do so, and to prevent these nations from controlling too much of the world. Assertions that our attack was completely unprovoked and that the nations of the Axis alliance are somehow "evil" must be dropped before any kind of settlement can be made.

2) All of our nations now have been restored to full fighting strength. Although the Axis may not have made as much progress in the war as we would have liked (*cough cough*), we are happy with what gains we did make and are not about to relinquish them. Our forces will not advance further, but do not expect to gain back the ground we have taken without suffering VERY large casulties on the order of what we took to gain them (it must work both ways, remember).

3) The Allied nations must come to accept that the current borders are likely to remain as they are, and they must learn to do with that. Rey Juan Carlos II had these words to say earlier:

Give back all the land you conquered, lower the flags of your armies and march straight back home, stopping on every home you pass by and beg forgiveness for your atrocities. Do that and your man shall live, do it not and every man of you will die.

We mean no disrespect to the Spanish king, but the nations of the Axis are not about to hand over the land they spilled much blood to obtain and meekly go home. Surely Spain realizes that there was no realistic way to hold the Low Countires with a mere 2 divisions when Germany had 70 right on its border? We will discuss various forms of compensation for Spain in the peace negotiations.

4) It was never our intention to destroy France. The entire offensive in Europe was done to draw attention away from the main goal, the seizure of colonial lands abroad. This seems to have been misconstrued, however, somewhere in the past. The French Roi needs to stop feeling as though this alliance was made to destroy his country (apparently uknemesis thinks that was the goal also...)

5) Russia suggests that you end this ridiculous rhetoric about "fighting to the last man" to "avenge the great injustice" done to your countries. The Allies overextended themselves and we have taken advantage of it. Before peace talks begin, we expect to be treated as diplomatic equals, and without that condition no peace will be possible.

OOC: We need a new player for Persia, and soon. I hope we can find one soon, because the current situation is quite dicey for everyone.

The Axis nations also expect fair treatment in the future. Comments like this:
Right, now that just p*sses me right off. You gang up on a weakened country, especially one who's leader wasn't here very often, and attack it. Yes it is injured in an unfair war, but this one is even more unfair, and so the casualties reflected the way I felt about this war.

I can't have you destroying a country in the medieval age! What do you expect me to do, let France fall and ruin the game for another player, one who is playing it well in the diplomatic field by being a b*stard, which some rulers are, and making it more enjoyable for all?
Now, tonight, when I post a message saying so, all troops and ships will be restored. No offence Germany, Rome, Persia and Russia, but I hope that France and Britain kick your ass back to the stone age even in the new combat system to make you pay for this sneak attack.

are not encouraging to myself, Bill in PDX, and wilboman. Should we even continue this game if the moderator has explicitly stated he hopes we get our asses kicked? We expect fair treatment if the game is to continue.

I'm prepared to totally agree with Sulla in his last OOC statements. But i do feel that your large losses were connected to the fact that we suffered large losses in America which just as unfair. Hopefully though uknemesis can sort this out with the resetting of armies and this game can continue and become good fun!
Can I also give an idea. During the ages of knights wars were fought maybe a few thousand men between nations. Also the idea that all the battles took place on one day is wrong, the battles would have been spread over weeks and months. I think that in terms of the age of technology we're in that the army sizes are completely unrealistic. Armies in the millions didn't appear until the Napoleonic Ages which is our next advancement.
Well hgood-luck to all


The Death Of Blackadder:
Today at noon His Royal Higness King Blackadder died of old age at 53. He has now been succeeded by his son King James II who with his wife, Princess Marie of France, will rule the country and its colonies.
Long live the King!


To: Tsar Alexei Mihailovich Romanov
From: King James II
Subj: WAR!!
You have declared war and the combined peoples of Spain, France and Great Britain shall never succumb to your armies! My advice is that you prepare yourself for the counter attack!! Be warned!

To: Al Gore
From: King James II
Subj: Peace Offering
As an act of friendship and peace, Britain shall hand over to you our Canadian colonies in the hope that our peoples shall be able to work together!
Yours,
King James II

Actions:
- Withdraw from Canada and hand the lands to America.
- Remember to withdraw from Australia!

OOC:
I don't like being called a liar, cheat, evil or anything else. I was, as Toasty, playing a role. Haakon Magnusson came to power through war, and, as the Germanic warrior he was, he saw his chance to increase power through war, like Wilhelm II did during WWI.
Like Wilhelm II did, he also messed up. Although he basically got what he wanted (Flemish-speaking nations+Alsace-Lorraine), he bit off more than he could chew, and he may have to pay. Tough luck.
I never wanted to crush France (hell, if I crushed France, I'd have eliminated Germany's European arch-enemy in one stroke, and that would make for a very boring game!).
We'll see how this develops.

But as for not being trusted, how's about this: I was around for close to a week before England even dreamt of talking to me, France never did, Spain ignored me, and my new friends turned out to be Russia and Rome. When Russia and Rome invited me to join in a conquest that may have helped me make gains that I obviously missed out on by starting colonization too late, I'll admit I jumped the gun. Britain posted their first diplomatic letter to me right after I had sealed the pact, in fact.

That's how diplomacy works. Make friends, help friends, make mistakes, get scre*ed. I realise this. As far as I'm concerned, everyone is overreacting, and, in fact, we've, through our treacherous ways, moved the game quite a few steps forward, organization-wise, and uncovered a couple of holes that machiavellian players (the Axis) may use.

For the moment, I hope that we can all just be on cordial terms otherwise in the forum, even though our role figures are bitter enemies.
I've got no love for this dirt-slinging that's going on.
It's just a blooming mindgame, for crying out loud!!!!!!
Get real!

Completely out of character.

Well, I have given this NES thing two tries now, and both are a waste of time in the end.

If the moderator of the game doesn't like a perfectly feasable strategy against a country who was aggressive in his own right from DAY ONE of this game, then I need to know what the h**l the secret rules are.

Russia, Germany, Persia, and I all executed on a fantastic plan designed to counter the very aggressive allies before they could dominate the world. It was valid and effective.

I attempted to make contact with France and Britain early on when they asked for my help in their north american crusade. My simple question to them was...what's in it for Rome. Their response was silence. They arrogantly assumed I would kill off my army just so they could dominate an America who had done nothing other than colonize. Only Spain responded thanking me for the interest, and they were coerced into ceding a territory to Toasty already.

France raped the defensive forces of their homeland by their own decisions and aggression.

How they, and you UK, can take any type of moral high ground here is a complete mystery, and frankly silly. To then take those biases and use them to openly penalize countries that merely followed the same path as the affore mentioned French is just wrong.

I am appalled by the comments of some of the people playing, including the moderator. In UK's case it is unfortunate as he has been a very great contributor to the stories thread. I fully expected some form of initial shock and anger, but after a full day to still be reading this stuff I find to be hypocracy in it's highest form.

If someone can come up with a better way to do this, I would be interested, but otherwise I can't see why anyone would want to waste their time.

I cede my country to Russia. He already has additional troops stationed near rome.

Best wishes to all of you, it just seems to me that this model of gaming is a complete failure.

Bill

Originally posted by sealman
OCC:
Sulla and Troquelet: Had I known I would have held out in North America to keep French toops busy for you! Regarding the large losses for the Russian coalitions, with the exception of Germany, all your forces were at the ancient level compared to the Mediveal level so large losses were to be expected.

Actually not. The Roman army is also fully Medival. Though none of that seems to matter. What matters is, does uknemisis agree with your attack. :crazyeye:

Cheers.

Bill

Bill,

I responded to your messages, and I replied kindly saying that while it would be appriciated by me I couldn't think of anything to give you in return.
I am sorry to both you and Wilboman for not "being in contact" enough. I didn't because while I did want enemies (not necessarily you, Bill) I didn't want to be raped because of my crippling unavaliability and because of the war in Quebec. What seems to me is that you enacted one huge alliance to crush your opposition fairly early in the game (and 1,300,000 men is no diversion) while they were disproportionately weak.
Sulla, I don't understand how you can say that when a huge percentage of your forces are thrown directly at me, and a few spare divisions mop up the remaining colonies you can claim that your alliance's mission or intent was not to destroy me. All of my colonies except for Quebec were attacked and more than a million men engaged me on my front door.
I would rather that, instead of The Troquelet and Bill_in_PDX quitting they would continue. They still have a good chance of defeating us because their combined numbers do outweigh our alliance.
I don't want to come this far in an NES to have a few people drop out and have to start over again. It is not a failure until we stop hammering out the bugs. Uknemesis has randomized the combat system and stopped doing battles for the "sake of balance." Can we just please finish this one?

Unfortunately, more OOC:

I admit that sending 131 divisions into France does not look like a diversion. But we sent that many because we fully expected very large losses, and wanted to ensure that we would gain the territory we stated we wanted. Unfortunately, we didn't even get where we wanted in France. I can't find the actual text of our invasion of France, but it was very close to this:

47 German divisions and 20 Russian ones are to occupy northeastern France and the Low Countries, and then dig in and fortify against a counterattack.

25 Roman divisions and 40 Russian ones are to invade southern France and occupy it all the way up to the Pyreenes. They are then to fortify against a French counter-attack or a Spanish attack over the mountains.

We designed our plan this way so that we could 1) avoid horrendous losses that come from trying to utterly destroy a player-controlled nation, 2) tie down attention in Europe so that we could take over colonies overseas without fear of counter-attack there, and 3) avoid leading others to think that one country was being singled out for destruction.

It seems we failed to achieve any of these goals.

However, everyone needs to get over this thing and continue on with the game. In that respect, my "enemies" of Toasty and Dexter seem to be dealing with this better than The Troquelet and Bill_in_PDX. I hope that my allies will reconsider their decision to leave the game, as it's leaving me in a rather unfortunate postition at the moment.

Obviously I'm not taking over control of Rome. As much as I'd like to, that wouldn't be fair. Perhaps we will be lucky and some new players will come in to control Persia and Rome. But it won't be fun for me having to create a new relationship with different players. And I think most new players would be more interested in controlling an untouched civ like India or China rather than one with loads of "baggage". But time will tell.

Sulla,

Given that our moderator has indicated that he will be a bit biased:

"I hope that France and Britain kick your ass back to the stone age "

I really don't see any point in it. It was hardly my intention to leave you hanging, but given the quote above, what chance do we have? I enjoy participating in this stuff, but I am VERY offended by the comments posted here. It is pure hypocrasy.

I was perfectly willing to let the allies vent a little here, but for gawd sakes, the moderator is mad, and I can't figure out what the hell he has to be mad about.

Sneak attack??? What the hell was the activity in North America???

UK, why don't you just tell us how you want the game to finish, and save us all a lot of time...gosh knows you write quite well. It seems your anger is over the fact that someone might go after a major power early in the game. Again I say, what was going on in North America???

I received no PM's from England or France, only Spain. Are you sure you mailed me?

Bill

Players:

I always hate to admit when I'm wrong, but my OOC comments do sound pretty arrogant now. And my threats to leave weren't really polite to everyone else who has worked so hard at this game..

I suggest a pause in the game until UK can unveil his new combat model. Then, if I think it doesn't lean too much either way, I'll certainly rejoin. This game has been fun, and above all it HAS shown that play is much more realistic with a moderator than with player-run games. It just needs a really revamped combat model so there's actually a point to all the negotiation and diplomacy.

I hope Bill will also consider this proposal.

(Also, money, trade, and buying armies would be nice. For example: Russia, Italy, and I engaged in a lot of "fake" trading. I said I'd send my furs here, they'd send their gems there, we'd all get money. But we don't have a limit on luxuries, money has no use: the only real purpose is to emphasize the friendship between our nations. There's no threat of revolt for instance if we don't gather a few luxuries.

Also, the army itself is unrealistic. Suppose we pushed Britain into the Hebrides Islands on Saturday, and that's their only territory. Suddenly, on Sunday they receive huge numbers of troops? I don't think so. I think players should receive money each turn for the land they occupy, and then they can spend that money on conscription or on modernizing their forces, or for negotiation.)

I don't expect to see such drastic and time-taking changes here, but I'm thinking of my own NES (soon, soon...)

Above all, I think the game needs a couple new players in new nations. Starting the game with a mere 5 players lended itself to an early antagonizing war, (which of course happened). And then the plots and dislike which rose out of that war led to more war. With players in Egypt, India, and China, play will be much more balanced and negotiation will become enough of a must that even the wargame players will start to delve into the diplomatic parts.

Originally posted by Bill_in_PDX
Sulla,

Given that our moderator has indicated that he will be a bit biased:

"I hope that France and Britain kick your ass back to the stone age "



Grrrr. I said that because I think attacking weakened countries in huge numbers is out of order, just like I thought the ganging up on America was.

And how can I be biased with the new combat system? Oh, and here it is:

Ancient Age units= Attack=1 Defence=2
Medieval units= Attack=2 Defence=3
Napoleonic units= Attack=3 Defence=4
Victorian units= Attack=4 Defence-5
Imperial units=Attack=5 Defence=6
Atomic units= Attack=6 Defence=7
Modern units= Attack=7 Defence=8

This system is slightly biased towards the defender to still encourage diplomacy over conflict. The way to work out the modifier of the dice roll is:
Attack value of attacking unit - Defence value of the defending unit = Modifier(negative or positive).

Then two dice are rolled for each of the two nations. The modifier is added to the attacker's roll(which may actually take it away if the number is negative). Whoever has the highest score wins the fight.

This is done division against division. In the event of uneven forces, ie; 1 division defending against five, if the defender wins, another division steps in to take the attackers place. This continues until one sides forces are all dead, or one side retreats as per their orders(by PM or in the post where they attack). When both sides have lost a quarter of their commited troops, there will be a two dice roll to see if the battle bogs down(stalemates). On a roll of 3 or under, it has. Then when both sides have lost half their troops, there is another roll. 5 or below bogs the battle down. When both sides have lost three quarters of their total troops, there is a two dice roll which stalemates on 7 or below. Ships go by the same principles, except their battles can't bog down.

Bonuses:

Defending capital city= +1 to Defender's Defence score.

Britain= +1 to Defence and Attack at sea.
France= +1 to Defence or Attack if attacking with over 10 divisions.
Germany= extra +1 when defending capital, +1 Defence for aircraft.
Spain= +1 Attack and Defence defending/attacking colonies.
Rome= +1 Defence when in occupied land(until war is over).
Russia= +1 Defence when defending in cold areas(ie; Russia in winter).
America= +1 Attack for aircraft, +1 Attack on other continents
Sweden= +1 Attack and Defence for ships in the Baltic, and can't be blockaded in there.
Turkey= +1 Attack for all troops, but a -1 Defence.
Egypt= +1 attack for all troops in Africa.
India= +1 Defence when fighting a more advanced opponent.
Persia= +1 Attack and Defence against those in the same age.
China= +1 Defence to all troops, but a -1 Attack.
Japan= +1 Attack for carrier-borne aircraft, +1 Defence when fighting in Japan.

Any complaints or pleas to change something, tell me.

Trade, which will be central to having the resources to build new units(I tell you what resources you get), money(you have to buy your armies and navies, and pay upkeep), advances(there will be a tech tree), and this combat system(but with at least 5 units per age, each with different Attack and Defence values) will all feature in the new UKNES that I'm making. If enough people say here that they will play, I will hopefully have it posted by tonight, and would probably think about switching over to it(it begins with the world evenly divided between the nations, and everyone at peace).

Nemesis

Originally posted by Bill_in_PDX


Actually not. The Roman army is also fully Medival. Though none of that seems to matter. What matters is, does uknemisis agree with your attack. :crazyeye:

Cheers.

Bill

Forgot all about Rome. My fault... Still hope you stay around and help work out the bugs but understand if you don't.

You will be missed. I for one think your plan was well thought out and concieved. My intelligence reports missed everything.

I am assuming that we are on standstill at the moment while the latest bugs are fixed, and request a day or two to get back going once the changes are all agreed upon. I for one like the numbers put up by UK in a recent post and willing to play with them.

We just need to work out the money thing.

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To: King James II
Re: Canada

The American people thank you for the English people's gift of your North American colonies. This will greatly help to heal the rift between our two nations.

The American People

=========

During our little time out: there is an election upcoming in America. President Gore will be seeking his 4th term. Running against him is Hiawatha of the Iroquois party who is a clear favorite this time around. Also throwing his hat in the ring is current Cuba Govenor F.L. Castro. Although Castro is not expected to garnish many votes, he is setting himself up to run later on. Who will win? I do not know yet.

I'm prepared to work with the new numbers posted by uknemesis. And I hope that everyone understands this is a game and that we can all be friends outside of it!!
Thanks
:goodjob:

There will be no money in this game, sealman.

The money and trade etc will be in the next UKNES, a totally new game which I am ironing out the final bugs for. You could say this one has been a learning experience for me.

What I hope is that we will all be able to move to the new NES when I finish it, so that I don't have to run two NESs at once.

And also, due to the system that will be in place in that game, it will be impossible for me to cheat, so I may join the game as a country.

The UKNES's highlights at the moment:
Tech Tree to advance through, at a speed you set by how much money you spend on science. Peaceful nations will advance quicker as they have more money to spend, but military nations may be able to hurt them before they can!

Money will be paid each day to the nations, the same amount for everyone at the beginning. Each nation will have major factories or something like that which if they fall to the enemy will increase the enemy's wealth and decrease your own.

All countries begin equally - colonies already started.

New combat system, based on the one above, will feature many units for every age, so you can decide if your army will be defensive or attacking, and the same for your navy.

Fortifications will now play an actual role in the game.

Trading - each nation begins with two resources, but seven are needed to be able to build every unit. So you must trade to be able to build units, or you will be stuck with spearmen! Resources will also be able to be captured!

Regulated deployments(each nation must report at the end of every two days in a PM to me where their troops are).

New Game Time - 2 days = 1 year

More units - tanks, artillery, submarines, and many more feature!

Regulated trading - you have only a limited amount of each resource, one lot for yourself, and then an amount that you can trade to others. The amount you can trade increases with certain advances. A trade embargo can result in a nation being unable to build any more of a unit.

PLAY IT SOON!

Nemesis

Due to too many similarities to the new Med. NES, I am cancelling UKNES in the form it was going to be.

Now I shall be creating a much simpler NES, as to be honest this one is dragging down and is becoming increasingly difficult to mod. I will post the changed UKNES soon, and hope we all agree to move onto it, as I would rather see this one die because it is too hard to keep track of for me, and that frustrates the players.

So please pay a visit to the new NES when it is up, and vote here whether we shall all move or not!

Nemesis

I hope you will all check it out, and see whether or not you would like to move onto that NES.

Thoughts?

Nemesis

Originally posted by uknemesis


Grrrr. I said that because I think attacking weakened countries in huge numbers is out of order, just like I thought the ganging up on America was.



Honestly not trying to flame here. I feel that you may be missing my point.

It is abundently clear that you are opposed to any offensive actions in the game. You are the moderator, it's your game, you are welcome to do just that.

I wish we all would have known that prior to wasting two weeks of effort on the game to find out we will do.....what really? With no real trade, no military action, no reason to do the spying that you correctly included...what is the game about?

But I do feel that no matter what your feelings were when we attacked your friend Toasty, you should have evaluated the attacks in a neutral manner, versus making a magical english fleet who can roam the world and engage in multiple battles that somehow influence land combat.

I respectfully ask you to consider your role as moderator. Is it one of directing each country how they should act? If so, you may find yourself being pretty lonely as a moderator.

The whole point of these games is to allow other players to act in a multiplayer environment. That means that we will do things other than the way you would like. I have no interest in investing time in something like this where I cannot make decisions for my own country.

To all: I apologize for any incidiary comments I have made. I am just trying to make my point.

Bill

Right, firstly like I said, whatever your complaints, I cannot influence the new system, as it is random.

It may be slightly more towards the defender, but that is for all nations. It also means that if you do gain territory, it's going to be hard for others to win it back.

I am starting the new NES that concentrates on the military point of view, so those who like armies can finally build it as they see fit.

If people don't want to stop this one, then I won't.

Nemesis

Also of course the Royal Navy can help in land combat if the invasion force is sent by sea! It's called sinking ships!

And as for the new NES, it doesn't have a secret service as that became too damned complicated as half the players refused to update their deployments, forcing me to try and figure out the amount of forces in reply to a question. This unbalanced it towards the lazier players, as I often got their amount of forces wrong, whereas those who updated I knew the exact numbers of.

It doesn't have trade because that would be too damned annoying for me to keep track of. I was going to create an uberNES as I thought it would be, but then I realised that Troq had a few better ideas, and his, apart from missing trade, was almost exactly like the one I had planned, without a tech tree.

If someone wants to run the NES I was planning with all of those things in, be my guest, I'll email you all the things I'd worked out. But it was too similar to a new one, so I changed it into a simpler and fairer game for people with not much time on their hands. It also became much easier to mod, whereas this one, what with the people who wouldn't update deployments, attacks that were overwhelming in number, and the one day or two day time scheme, overwhelmed me.

The new game has a week long turn, giving people more time to talk before a battle, and maybe resolve it.

I will continue this one if people still want to, but I would honestly prefer to keep on the new one.

Nemesis

PS: If anyone did want to run that uberNES, I'd be happy to join and help you set it up. It had a tech tree that you advanced through, trading of resources, battles like the ones in the new NES but that spanned eras, and castles etc. It also included money, cities that could be captured for money, and a new secret service. Oh, and it also had unit upkeep, which might be better changed to a system like the Troq's flag bearer one.

Oh, and I had a map ready, and would be able to do the updating on it if you like.

Originally posted by uknemesis
Also of course the Royal Navy can help in land combat if the invasion force is sent by sea! It's called sinking ships!



Oh, I do comprehend the concept of how sinking galleons full of troops would be quite helpful. Of course, that knowledge has absolutely nothing to do with the coordinated attack we made.

France, Africa, and South East Asia all had troops deployed via ground. As I pointed out, the troops were already there. The only amphibious assault was in New Zealand, and it was tiny.

We did all of that on purpose. Yet in your recap, you attributed the miraculous performance of exceptionally overmatched armies to the Royal Navy. Do you understand our frustration now? We took great pains to avoid the British Navy, and to ensure massive advantage, but it seems that your anger over us actually doing something you disapproved of led to you arbitrarily kill off the offenders, and look for a reason to do so.

To all, I think this is the problem with this concept as a game.

Nevertheless, I wish you all good luck in pursuing perfection in the next NES.

Bill

HELLO! I am new here (sorry for sounding stupid) and I do not want to read through all the rules. Could someone give me a short description of how one can get a country around here?

I'm pretty sure this particular NES is no longer running. The NES threads I've seen people run so far are all open games with countries assigned based simply on people calling them first; in other words, just drop a post saying you'd like to play as a given country (that isn't already taken, of course! Most people running NES games do a good job of updating the first post of the thread, so you can very quickly scan down the list of countries and see which ones aren't taken), and give a name for the leader you'll be playing as; some people use historical names, others simply make up their own names to fit the language and culture of their country, and some just use their own nickname.

I do recommend that you DO at least skim the rules of any NES you join; some don't actually have that many rules, and you don't have to read every detail of every country in the game to get started (just make sure you're not accidentally trying to take someone else's country). Generally, simpler games of this sort go a lot faster and are a lot easier to play, but have the problem that everyone's on the honor system; there's not much to stop someone from just saying "Oh by the way my guys kill everybody and I conquer the world! HA HA HA!"

Really, the most important rule when playing any game of this sort is to keep your actions reasonable. Creativity is fun, but if everyone just keeps making up outrageous success stories the game falls apart.