Who needs an "official strategy guide"? The strat articles you find here at CFC are far more detailed and comprehensive, albeit not nicely put together in one volume. :)


I like to read elsewhere besides in front of the computer and printing out that many articles is tedious and costly. ( alot more than a guide)
To each their own.

I like to read elsewhere besides in front of the computer and printing out that many articles is tedious and costly. ( alot more than a guide)
To each their own.

I agree. I'd rather have it in hard copy and read it that way.

I like to read elsewhere besides in front of the computer and printing out that many articles is tedious and costly. ( alot more than a guide)
To each their own.

My statement did in no way intend to depreciate the way you do things. :) I agree that it is tedious to print all the articles, even if I can't follow the cost argument (what printer/paper do you use?? :eek: ).
Personally, I like to have my browser open, tabbing and rereading the articles in part, then tab back into the game and give things a try. :)

Ahh, alright. But I think he looks A LOT better as a younger prime minister, does he not?
Prime Minister (http://www.teachersparadise.com/ency/en/media/c/ce/cdgaulle.jpg)
President (http://www.chemistrydaily.com/chemistry/upload/7/76/Degaulle5.jpg):old:

.. and Boudica, Elizabeth, Catherine and Isabella look a LOT sexier as pin-up girls than queens/empresses :D :D

:queen: :drool:

PS: The link to the "president" picture doesn't work.. :confused:



No, he was "Président du Conseil" (i don't know in english) it isn't Prime Minister, this title born in France with 5th french republic, when De Gaulle was President


De Gaulle, forever was Prime Minister as Charlemagne forever was emperor of the Holy Roman Empire

Ok, sorry.. in Italy the titles: "President of Council" and "Prime Minister" are equivalent..

My statement did in no way intend to depreciate the way you do things. :) I agree that it is tedious to print all the articles, even if I can't follow the cost argument (what printer/paper do you use?? :eek: ).
Personally, I like to have my browser open, tabbing and rereading the articles in part, then tab back into the game and give things a try. :)

HP/Cheap

Plus the added fact that most of the opinions in threads here are written for certain levels of play such as Prince or higher and I do not play at those levels so they are completely worthless to me, but the books are always written with the novice or just above that level in mind.

D

I think that Musketmen are completely useless in the game, as Grenadiers are a lot stronger (12 instead of 9 HP) with an inherent +50% attack bonus vs. Riflemen, and Musketmen are immediately succeeded by Grenadiers in the tech tree.

I think that Musketmen should be improved in BTS by adding them some inherent bonus such as +50% vs. Archery and Melee units, then they would be better against these units (9x1.5=13.5 HP) than Grenadiers with 12 HP. Another way to improve them would be to give them +1 HP and, say, +25% vs. Archery, Melee and Mounted units. This would pretty much resemble the 'stone-paper-scissors' system implemented to the units in the Ancient Era.

The same could be applied to the French Musketeers with 2 MP, then perhaps they would compare to the English Redcoats or the Russian Cossacks in usefulness. Ottoman Janissaries could also come with e.g. +1 more HP compared to the improved Musketmen. This way, the French and the Ottomans could have decent unique units in the game.

I don't think a hard bound strategy guide would be useful for a game like Civ. Mainly because once a new patch comes out a good chunk of the info becomes obsolete.

I agree. I'd rather have it in hard copy and read it that way.

Same, it hurts my eyes to stare at the same page for more than five minutes...but I also like reading it on the computer so that I can have links to other websites, picture stuff, etc. :cool:
PS: The link to the "president" picture doesn't work..
I did before...I'll find another one...It works, or should work now.

I think that Musketmen are completely useless in the game, as Grenadiers are a lot stronger (12 instead of 9 HP) with an inherent +50% attack bonus vs. Riflemen, and Musketmen are immediately succeeded by Grenadiers in the tech tree. .

Grenadiers are at a different place on the tech tree (require Military Science) now.

I think that Musketmen are completely useless in the game, as Grenadiers are a lot stronger (12 instead of 9 HP) with an inherent +50% attack bonus vs. Riflemen, and Musketmen are immediately succeeded by Grenadiers in the tech tree.

I think that Musketmen should be improved in BTS by adding them some inherent bonus such as +50% vs. Archery and Melee units, then they would be better against these units (9x1.5=13.5 HP) than Grenadiers with 12 HP. Another way to improve them would be to give them +1 HP and, say, +25% vs. Archery, Melee and Mounted units. This would pretty much resemble the 'stone-paper-scissors' system implemented to the units in the Ancient Era.

The same could be applied to the French Musketeers with 2 MP, then perhaps they would compare to the English Redcoats or the Russian Cossacks in usefulness. Ottoman Janissaries could also come with e.g. +1 more HP compared to the improved Musketmen. This way, the French and the Ottomans could have decent unique units in the game.


Please read a little the other threads before posting. The lifespan of Musketmen will be extended in BtS, grenadiers will come later, and cavalry will require rifling too, so musketeers should be much more useful in BtS.

Whoops, what good is it to update my files if I don't post them. :sad:

Hehe, looks like the Info Center is getting a tad large. I had to readjust the information again as I hit the 30k limit mark. Please note that I wasn't able to add the http://www.civfanatics.net/methos/bts/updated.gif in some of the posts due to "too many images" error. They are listed in the index though.

I noticed some things I missed, such as the Final Frontier info from the screenshots. Will have them up in a bit.

@Methos
Great job! Cheers!

^^ . . .and Bond, James Bond

Macchiavelli? Ethel Luxembourg?

I don't think a hard bound strategy guide would be useful for a game like Civ. Mainly because once a new patch comes out a good chunk of the info becomes obsolete.

Personally, its all about the strategies and playstyles in the book. Yes, the info like cost of a wonder and such would change but the cost of a building/unit/wonder would not change the effectiveness of the strategies involved. IMHO:D

There are two things that failed to appear on the list of new units and capabilities for BTS:

1. The inquisitor unit. See modcomp by TheLopez http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=187623

2. Ranged Bombardment capability for seige units and ships. See Dales ModComp http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=198670

Failure to include these in BTS is a BIG dissappointment. :(

V/R,

Orion Veteran

2. Ranged Bombardment capability for seige units and ships. See Dales ModComp http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=198670


Close look at this pic shows the battleship selected is at home...... with a bombard icon. ;)

http://www.2kgames.com/civ4/beyondthesword/scenarios/wwii2xxx.jpg
From official site scenario pics

Do we really have to learn this military classification ?

But musketmen do tend to be kinda crap... Their attacking odds in my games against anything else in their era have been awful.

Close look at this pic shows the battleship selected is at home...... with a bombard icon. ;)

http://www.2kgames.com/civ4/beyondthesword/scenarios/wwii2xxx.jpg
From official site scenario pics

As you yourself told me, Dale, the inclusion of something in a scenario is not indicative of what's in Vanilla... unless you're trying to tell us something else there. ;)

PS: No!! Even Dale has succumbed to the Boudicca avatar craze!

PS: No!! Even Dale has succumbed to the Boudicca avatar craze!

Actually I started it and everyone copied me. GRRRRR! :mad:

Wasn't there going to be a IGN feature on the scenarios this week?

Yes, but they haven't posted it to my knowledge.

Yes, but they haven't posted it to my knowledge.

Aww that sucks.

Hello there. I was about to buy Warlords from Amazon, when I noticed that BtS would be coming out. So...if I refrain from buying Warlords, and wait for BtS, what will I be missing out on? Will there be leaders and civilizations missing? Scenarios? Anything?

Thanks!

Just the scenerios will be missing. BtS includes all other warlords content. So just wait for BTS to come out.

Hello there. I was about to buy Warlords from Amazon, when I noticed that BtS would be coming out. So...if I refrain from buying Warlords, and wait for BtS, what will I be missing out on? Will there be leaders and civilizations missing? Scenarios? Anything?

Thanks!

OR - another way to look at it is by your experience level. My wife can barely play CIV4 and Warlords... if you are very inexperienced then stay with the first two as BTS has a lot of intricacies that my wife doesn't want to tackle for a while and Warlords is a Great Game. :p

I am of course am VERY MUCH looking forward to BTS... :D Too bad I have to wait longer than you being Downunder... :( :sad:

Too bad I have to wait longer than you being Downunder... :( :sad:

Yes, but then, you get to see Alpha Centauri every night. ;)

OR - another way to look at it is by your experience level. My wife can barely play CIV4 and Warlords... if you are very inexperienced then stay with the first two as BTS has a lot of intricacies that my wife doesn't want to tackle for a while and Warlords is a Great Game. :p

I am of course am VERY MUCH looking forward to BTS... :D Too bad I have to wait longer than you being Downunder... :( :sad:


A lot of experience , actually - I've been playing since Civ I. ;)
I just skipped getting Warlords until now because I had been extremely busy with school, and figured I needed a summer reward. Looks like I'll wait until July, then.

Good. You get to save money and maybe you could get another game to ;)

Good. You get to save money and maybe you could get another game to ;)

Yep. This means I can get BtS and the Napoleon's Ambition expansion for EUIII. Sounds good to me.

Except my problem is that i can never find any Europa Universalis games in any store! you might be luckier then me though :)

See http://www.tgr.com/weblog/archives/000039.html for a review of Europa UniversalisII. The newer version III is supposed to be better - but along the same lines. Sounds like it would fit into a BTS scenario better.... I'll look into that.

wow it's so cool!
well,the game will be released in the United States on July 23rd, 2007,but when can I play it in China?

Is Rhye's and Fall of Civilization included in BtS as a scenario?

When does the demo come out?

Is Rhye's and Fall of Civilization included in BtS as a scenario?

:dubious: Yes, it is (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=222075#Rhye).

When does the demo come out?

Yeah, I'd really like to try it out too.

I'm wondering if the demo (which is just supposed to be the final frontier scenario if I'm not mistaken) will be a stand alone or will you require civ IV to run it. Also I'm wondering if it would be turn limited or not (I'm assuming it would be).

I have a feeling that it ain't a stand alone, as you can't run BtS full version without vanilla.

wow it's so cool!
well,the game will be released in the United States on July 23rd, 2007,but when can I play it in China?

The 27th or the 30yj I think

wow it's so cool!
well,the game will be released in the United States on July 23rd, 2007,but when can I play it in China?

I'm not too sure, but I imagine that the release in China will be delayed some. I think Firaxis will likely have to edit quite a bit of the content before releasing it in China. They'd likely have to make major changes in the WWII scenario, unless Firaxis doesn't include the scenario in its Chinese release... :hide:

NextWar
http://www.civfanatics.net/methos/bts/updated.gif

This scenario is set in the near future with futuristic weapons and it may be played in two ways, like a scenario or as a mod.

Scenario

You play a pre-created situation, where Earth is divided into five mega-empires locked in an escalating struggle for dwindling resources.

Mod

You play a typical Civilization game where you have access to the futuristic weapons when you learn the appropiate techs.

Units:
Cyborgs (cybernetic warriors)
Dreadnoughts (huge mega-tanks)
Walkers (human-driven giant walking robots)


Oh-my-god! :eek: I missed that piece of information about Next War being playable as a mod. I can't believe it. I wonder if there are techs provided apart from the ones you need to build the Giant Death Robots ( :woohoo: )? -as in (I nearly dare not say it aloud) a FUTURE AGE MOD? That would be so uber!
I'm off cleaning my pants :mischief:

Updated with the new information regarding Dales' WWII: Road to War (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=222075#WWWII) mod.

I am, very much, looking forward to this. Honestly, I think this is going to really make this game for me. :) Not that I don't like the other versions of the game, but still....this seems to change, just about, everything in the game. LOL

Methos:

PM'ed you some changes. :)

So...is there any word on the accuracy of the 7/10 mail-out date that Amazon is claiming? I just pre-ordered, and that's the estimated ship date.

So, do you not need warlords to play this?

So, do you not need warlords to play this?

I think just normal civ 4 is required but dont hang me on that.

Hm the official announcement speaks of 12 scens... is it just me or do we still have one missing in the list? :)

Hm the official announcement speaks of 12 scens... is it just me or do we still have one missing in the list? :)

Since that announcement two of the scenarios have been dropped and only one was added to take their place. So currently there is only eleven official scenarios and we can only hope to add another to bring it back to twelve.

Methos:

PM'ed you some changes. :)

Thanks! I've updated the WWII: Road to War section. Please let me know if any further changes need to be done. Unfortunately I don't recall anything about the Random Historical Events mode. Both this mod and Rhye's really have me interested in the scenarios and this from someone who hasn't played any of the Warlords scenarios! Keep up the excellent work and keep that information flowing! :clap:

Methos:

Random Hist events was a comment in passing. I talked about three game modes of hist events, open, and "one in between". :)

So, do you not need warlords to play this?

No need for Warlords to play this.

The policy with this, and probably even the case if they were to make a third expansion (not that that is too likely), is as simple as this:

All core/epic game changes from the previous expansions are included (new leaders, gameplay mechanics, techs, etc.) but not the scenarios.

I'm already planning for a BtS Mod...

So, do you not need warlords to play this?
I don't think you do, but you mind as well get it for the next twenty days you have to wait! ;)

Methos: Probable mistake

You have West Balkans listed as a playable civ.. for the Pacific WW II map.

Methos (or anyone else), is there any indication whatsoever that Amazon's estimated mail date (July 10) isn't completely arbitrary?

Everybody here seems to agree that Amazon is lying.

:rolleyes: Amazon is not lying. They get their release dates from the publisher. If the publisher doesn't update Amazon, the date doesn't get updated.

All of the information that Amazon provides comes from the publisher (except for the stuff that is specified as user content, such as the pictures or reviews).

I never said I thought they were lying... just that most people here believe that.

I never said I thought they were lying... just that most people here believe that.


I was rolling my eyes at them, not you :D

Oh. Hard to tell sometimes. :D

Forthcoming Out of Pocket July 23rd-April 4, 2061

Methos (or anyone else), is there any indication whatsoever that Amazon's estimated mail date (July 10) isn't completely arbitrary?

Mine has updated to deliver on the 12th. Anyone else change?

Mine has updated to deliver on the 12th. Anyone else change?

Just checked mine, still shows mail date of the 10th and estimated arrival between the 13th and 17th.

I keep forgetting to call my local EB store and see when they'll get it in. If they can have it for me by the 24th, than I'll get it through them. If not, than I'll go the CFC Amazon route.

If Amazon ships on the 10th, then I'll consider switching my order. Until then, I trust EBGames/top's street date more than I do Amazon's.

hey, did anyone get a confirm on whether BtS will work with Vista?
like certified work?

ps sorry if someone already answered this in the middle 40 pages

Damnit! Released 2 days AFTER I return to Shanghai. Will have to have someone ship it to me. ;)

I am already thinking about my new strategy for modern era.. :D .. i don't like to loose units in combat.. i use the same units in all attacks to increase their levels.... and I never send too many troops for invasions.. i send just what i need to conquer and secure the teritorry. Sometimes, when i have more time to play, i even group my troops in divisions, etc.. :crazyeye: .. tactical play.. i never lost a war in Future Age (after i have all technologies..) :king: .. i can't wait for the new units.. and btw.. i have some questions about the new units:

I seen the paratrooper has range 5.. so i can use it only within 5 spaces ? Or ? if yes... i already think the range is too small. And i think the Carrier should transport Paratroopers too.. will be nice to paradrop from the carrier.. and realistic.
Anti-Tank infantry and Anti-tank gun ? Hmm... what about the Gunship ? It is a anti-tank weapon too.. so we will have 3 now ? I guess the new ones will not need Oil, they will be more powerful than Gunship but verry slow on movement..
The airship (that zeppelin).. can move free over the oceans and seas ?

Wonder why no new official info in last few days?

Was there supposed to be another preview?

When is the demo coming out? (i think the space one, FF was it)?

Wonder why no new official info in last few days?

Was there supposed to be another preview?

When is the demo coming out? (i think the space one, FF was it)?

I've been wondering about this as well. I was expecting another one last week. Maybe they're just trying to make sure we're ready! :D

Does anyone know when it will go gold? I doubt it will be available by the 10th if it's not gold at this point...

Does anyone know when it will go gold? I doubt it will be available by the 10th if it's not gold at this point...

Amazon is the only one who has said it would be available on the 10th. Since Firaxis is saying two weeks after that, I tend to go with Firaxis's word over Amazons.

I'm also curious when it goes gold and I hope they announce it.

Amazon is the only one who has said it would be available on the 10th. Since Firaxis is saying two weeks after that, I tend to go with Firaxis's word over Amazons.

I'm also curious when it goes gold and I hope they announce it.

Gamespot will probably be the one to announce when BtS goes gold.

What is the actual definition of "gold" or "going gold". I'm guessing that means when it's exactly done with and completely flawless? :hmm:

^ i think it is when the original CD is done and then they make all the copies

Gamespot will probably be the one to announce when BtS goes gold.

Or possibly IGN. Their coverage of BtS has been spectacular.

What is the actual definition of "gold" or "going gold". I'm guessing that means when it's exactly done with and completely flawless? :hmm:

I believe it's when the game is ready to be produced. In other words, it's when they start manufacturing the disks and getting them ready for shipping. This is just my guess.

Where does Firaxis state that the release date is 23rd? I consider Amazon more authoritative than Civilization Fanatics Info Center.

What is the actual definition of "gold" or "going gold". I'm guessing that means when it's exactly done with and completely flawless? :hmm:

no software is ever completely flawless ;)

I seen the paratrooper has range 5.. so i can use it only within 5 spaces ? Or ? if yes... i already think the range is too small. And i think the Carrier should transport Paratroopers too.. will be nice to paradrop from the carrier.. and realistic.

Paratroopers can drop from a fortress in BtS, have your workers construct one within 5 plots from your target and you're good. ;)
And aircarriers don't have the capacity to carry or launch the aircraft delivering paratroopers.

Anti-Tank infantry and Anti-tank gun ? Hmm... what about the Gunship ? It is a anti-tank weapon too.. so we will have 3 now ? I guess the new ones will not need Oil, they will be more powerful than Gunship but verry slow on movement..

There's only one new anti-tank unit: the infantry you mentioned. And IIRC the gunship has moved a tech up so is available later.

The airship (that zeppelin).. can move free over the oceans and seas ?

I think the unit is mission-based like fighters and bombers.

Going gold, for albums, requires selling 500,000 copies. Platinum is 1,000,000.

Albums (and I'm sure games, though the thresholds may be different) go gold on presales all the time.

Bummer, the info on my Amazon order has changed:

Shipping estimate: July 24, 2007
Delivery estimate: July 26, 2007 - July 28, 2007

Bummer, the info on my Amazon order has changed:

Shipping estimate: July 24, 2007
Delivery estimate: July 26, 2007 - July 28, 2007

...umm, my feeling is somehow that they knew this much more before...

Whatever, I don't care if it doesn't come out in July because I have to wait for a mac version anyway! :lol: Sorry guys...

Where does Firaxis state that the release date is 23rd? I consider Amazon more authoritative than Civilization Fanatics Info Center.

Your option, but if I were you I'd check to see when Amazon says the release date is (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000PCLBE2/civilizationfana). :D

It's funny how Amazon has said the 10th for all this time and now change it to the 23rd. I guess they should have listened to the Info Center. ;)

^Amazon isn't really reliable for information.
But anyway, if a game "goes gold" five days before it's release, how the @#$% do they make 500,000 copies in five days?!

I guess I just wanted to believe it :)

(Accidental Double Post)

What is the actual definition of "gold" or "going gold". I'm guessing that means when it's exactly done with and completely
flawless? :hmm:

A game 'goes gold' when the master copy/copies (usually a gold disc) is stamped. All releases copies of the game are made from the master copy, so it can't be changed after that occurs. Since boxes/manuals/cases/etc are pre-made in anticipation of going gold, release usually follows shortly afterwards.

Your option, but if I were you I'd check to see when Amazon says the release date is (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000PCLBE2/civilizationfana). :D

It's funny how Amazon has said the 10th for all this time and now change it to the 23rd. I guess they should have listened to the Info Center. ;)

See my earlier posts (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=5636506&postcount=808). Amazon didn't change the date, 2K Games did.

EDIT: It's also beginning to look like the Info Center was wrong (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=230024) ;)

EDIT: It's also beginning to look like the Info Center was wrong (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=230024) ;)

:woohoo:

I don't mind being wrong at all, especially when it means the date is getting moved up. Typically dates are moved back, which is what I feared would happen here! I need to call EB and place my order!!

But anyway, if a game "goes gold" five days before it's release, how the @#$% do they make 500,000 copies in five days?!

I have a feeling the release date has at least partly to do with when they can have enough copies made to fulfill preorders in addition to getting hundreds of thousands more copies out for stocking store shelves on the release date.

A Friday release date seems very odd. Having a game ship on a Tuesday and be in stores on Wednesday is almost industry standard.

A Friday release date seems very odd. Having a game ship on a Tuesday and be in stores on Wednesday is almost industry standard.

Agreed. And why go up against Harry Potter if you don't have to?

I think the 20th is the ship date and the 23rd will be the on-shelf date.

who knows how much it will be in canadiean dollars and it comes out on july 21:king:

Well, Amazon haven't yet pushed the European date back from 20th July, but I doubt we'll get it before the US.

who knows how much it will be in canadiean dollars and it comes out on july 21:king:

According to amazon.ca, it's 29.99 $CDN with a release date of July 24th.

Off topic...
Will BTS include all of the features from warlords such as; the leaders, leader traits, new buildings, units, etc...?

I hope bts includes all that stuff! Everything else would be rediculous!

There appears to be 14 new screenshots on IGN
http://media.pc.ign.com/media/896/896712/imgs_1.html

Who is that guy in image 5 of 78? Is that a special leaderhead just for this scenario?

Who is that guy in image 5 of 78? Is that a special leaderhead just for this scenario?

Looks like it. I'm pretty sure it's just a picture and not an animated leaderhead.

Seems the feature that goes with the images is out too..

http://pc.ign.com/articles/801/801206p1.html

I swear that was not there when I looked a minute ago... ;)

That's the internet for you.

Off topic...
Will BTS include all of the features from warlords such as; the leaders, leader traits, new buildings, units, etc...?

Actually, that's so on topic it's mentioned in the first post. ;)
yes.

EB in Melbourne where I am says the 20th for on the shelf and available.

Bummer, the info on my Amazon order has changed:

Shipping estimate: July 24, 2007
Delivery estimate: July 26, 2007 - July 28, 2007

Mine just changed from July 16th with a July 23rd delivery date to July 23rd with a July 30th - August 1 delivery date. What I have seen with DVDs or CDs that come out is that they ship in such a way so that the item arrives the same day as it comes out in stores.

http://media.pc.ign.com/media/896/896712/img_4679125.html

:rotfl::rotfl:

^^ whats so funny?

^^ whats so funny?

wrong screenie, fixed

^^ its the same showing mongolia attacking china

Here's the right one:

http://www.civfanatics.com/gallery/files/1/civ4bts705_ign09.jpg

Yeah it's Civ Defense isnt it?

Bears are frightening America !!!! :rotfl:

Why does it say America at all? Surely that's Greece?

Either way, it's a great line. I can imagine Bush saying that.

Be careful what u wish for. :D

Wonder why no new official info in last few days?

Was there supposed to be another preview?

When is the demo coming out? (i think the space one, FF was it)?

Brilliant trailer. :goodjob:

Hope the demo is released soon.

Here's the right one:

http://www.civfanatics.com/gallery/files/1/civ4bts705_ign09.jpg


This screenshot has been approved by Stephen Colbert.

Here's a short article (http://download.boomtown.net/en_uk/articles/art.view.php?id=14348) from boomtown.net. Nothing new, just gives the basic release notes we've known about for months and the trailer.

Edit: Gamershell has one too (http://www.gamershell.com/news/39790.html).

Does anyone know what the penalty is for defying a un resolutution? im so glad that is now an option.

Does anyone know what the penalty is for defying a un resolutution? im so glad that is now an option.

I read somewhere about trade embargoes.

I don't know for sure but I would really like to see UN-led wars or even ejection from the UN for those that don't comply.

Will the AI now go for other type of victories too?

Will the AI now go for other type of victories too?

Yes, it has been said that the AI will now attempt to win by different victories.

Sorry guys, we have family plans this weekend, so I've been out of town and unable to update the Info Center. It should be fixed by tonight.

Sorry guys, we have family plans this weekend, so I've been out of town and unable to update the Info Center. It should be fixed by tonight.

No worries, Methos. You've been absolutely amazing about keeping the info up-to-date. I've only just looked up my old poll threads to see how they are looking (and they are over a month old). Thanks for your efforts!

This screenshot has been approved by Stephen Colbert.

Man thats funny, thanks ChrTh!

This time around we're getting three versions: one each for the Pacific and Europe starting in 1936 and one just for Europe beginning a little hotter in 1939. Players can opt to play as the big boys in the conflict or try for a more limited involvement with a minor power like Siam, Norway, the Balkans or the Dutch East Indies. (All the civs make the Foreign Advisor screen a little crowded, but you 32-player types should have no problem with it.)
Will all the civs in the world have animated leaderheads? Or just the more important ones? I'd be really surprised if...:eek:

Dale said they all have animated leaders.

I've updated some of the scenarios: Charlemagne, Civ Defense, and Crossroads. I've also added a new subsection to the Modding section for the "A Modder's Guide to Beyond the Sword". Excellent work!

Dale said they all have animated leaders.

Whoa! All unique, specially designed for this scenario? Jeeze...:D

Dale said they all have animated leaders.

If that's true for all scenarios (like the picture of the Anglo-Saxon leader in the Charlemagne scenario) a lot of modding will go on to add a lot of civs with those new leaderheads. I'm really amazed a lot of scenario specific leaderheads are added who are then not added to the regular game itself.:confused:
I'm very curious if those leaderheads are of the same quality as the regular ones.
I hope so:D

^The Anglo Saxon Leader isn't animated...I don't think.

You'er the best Methos. You deserve this smily. :trophy: (That's Methos)

Well, I just pre-ordered my copy today. I went to EB Games here in town. I specifically asked them about the dates and they informed me that it would be shipped out on the 23rd and they would receive it on the 24th.

Hopefully they get it early, as I go to work at 4 pm. If anything I can take the manual with me to work and read it. Might be one of the first times I read the manual the day I got it! :lol:

I think I may get a pc copy (even though I'm on a mac) just for a preview of how it looks...I might get Windows XP...I'm not sure...:sad:

Get Vista, it will be more useful when looking into the future. At least I would get a Vista. XP would be also good.

Just noticed: XP can be used as an awful smiley. It's like mixing :D and :p

I'm really amazed a lot of scenario specific leaderheads are added who are then not added to the regular game itself. heh... depending on the scenario *coughAgeofIcecough* the history buffs might not like the results.

:lol:

I haven't played much civ 4/warlords but this expansion might rekindle my interest.

I have a random question I thought would get answered faster here:
If I get windows xp on my macbook 2 GHz GMA 950 intel integrated graphics card 1 Gb ram etc..
Will the GMA 950 be compatible? :hmm:

Random bit of Info Gathered: on Next War Scenario

In the pictures on Firaxis web site, it is obviously the mod (the player is Montezuma, and it is not an Earth map... However, one of the leaders is Jang... which indicates two things

1. one of the 5 'scenario' civs has a leader called Jang
2. when you play the mod you can play with both regular Civs and Next War Civs.

In the pictures on Firaxis web site, it is obviously the mod (the player is Montezuma, and it is not an Earth map... However, one of the leaders is Jang... which indicates two things


May we have a link, please?

Could it be that Jang was simply a custom name for the human player?

Portugal and Holland

Portugal and Holland are civilizations that are choked in the Europe but develop really well through their colonial empire. They usually have 1 or 2 big cities enough to run a colonial empire, but of course, if Spain takes Lisboa, Portugal collapses .
The Portuguese AI will focus their colonization efforts in the Brazillian coast and some spots in Africa. In counterpart to this, the Dutch go to a lot of places but mainly for South Africa, Caribbean, New York area and Australia. The colonization efforts of Japan in Indonesia will be halt by the Dutchs.
Is this in a scenario or something?

Is this in a scenario or something?

Yes, Rhye's and Fall...

Could it be that Jang was simply a custom name for the human player?

well the thing was [Montezuma] was the bracketed one (and therefore the Human player).

I'm not sure if this has been posted before but IGN have a new video (I think)

http://uk.media.pc.ign.com/media/896/896712/vids_1.html

EDIT - Actually, I think this has been posted before...

Can anyone verify how many scenarios there will be? At firaxis.com it says 12.
New Game Scenarios: The expansion will deliver 12 new scenarios custom designed by the team at Firaxis and some members of the Civ Fan Community.
I was trying to go to the BtS site but it just kept loading and loading.

Can anyone verify how many scenarios there will be? At firaxis.com it says 12.

I was trying to go to the BtS site but it just kept loading and loading.

They had planned 12 but if you look at the early lists of 12 you'll see it included the scenarios, "SuperRobo" and "Chaos" which in the latest list of included game scenarios have been dropped with "Civ Defence" now coming out of the blue to try to make up for the shortness somewhat.

You're right, Flaming Isle ! It is the trailer posted earlier from other sites.

How many of you guys are excited about this? I can't sleep at night thinking about it! :lol:

How many of you guys are excited about this? I can't sleep at night thinking about it! :lol:

I'm glad to see someone else admit that! I can't sleep at night either. I have been occupying myself with other activities/hobbies, just trying not to think about it because I'm too excited. I haven't had the desire to play Warlords in over a month, but I tried a few times and I never made it too long because it seemed too basic.

I'm going crazy without playing the game though! All this free time on my hands I don't know what to do with! :lol: But seriously, I cannot wait another two weeks to feed my civilization addiction :mad:

I was hoping Amazon's date of July 20th might have been true, but I guess not :( . Anyway, well done for keeping this info centre on BtS, Methos, it is very thorough.

Sounds amazing. looking forward to that..:D

sorry if this has been answered already but i don't have the time to go through the backlog of posts:)

can anyone confirm whether u need warlords to run BTS - that would suck if you do

also, they cant seriously be thinking of replacing the cool Civ 4 intro music:eek: that would be a crime:sad:

and, am i the only one that is a fan of leonard nimoy doing the speaking, i dnt want Sid Mier talking, i seen enough of his face on the damn tutorial - i know he made the game but he doesn't have to milk it, lol

You won't need Warlords to run BTS, and all the Epic game features (not the scenario mods) of the previosu EP will be included in BTS.

They will most likely be replacing the intro music, as they did for Warlords. Baba Yetu (if that's what you mean) was good, but in my view the Warlords theme was even better. Hopefully BTS's will top both.

Leonard Nimoy was popular for the speaking roles, but for some reaosn Firaxis haven't hired him for BTS. However, as far as I know, Sid Meier will only be speaking in the five or so new technologies included in BTS, not replacing the voice for the other techs.

sorry if this has been answered already but i don't have the time to go through the backlog of posts:)

can anyone confirm whether u need warlords to run BTS - that would suck if you do

You should get warlords anyway, to satisfy yourself for the next two weeks...:lol:...Also I'm getting Win XP for my mac, and I need to get Civ IV for PC, are the assets in Warlords (leaders, civs, etc.) included with bts? Or just Vassals and Units and such? It's been confusing. :crazyeye:

and I need to get Civ IV for PC, are the assets in Warlords (leaders, civs, etc.) included with bts? Or just Vassals and Units and such? It's been confusing. :crazyeye:

Have you seen this news update (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=230553) from TF?

BTS is supposed to include all assets from Warlords except anything from the scenarios.

^Yeah, Win XP is going to come on either Friday or Monday, and that comes out on the 17th, so then I'll be set with Win XP, and Civ IV+Warlords. And then I'm going to get BtS at a store on my way back from Canada a week after it comes out. I've got it all planned out! :goodjob:

^Yeah, Win XP is going to come on either Friday or Monday, and that comes out on the 17th, so then I'll be set with Win XP, and Civ IV+Warlords. And then I'm going to get BtS at a store on my way back from Canada a week after it comes out. I've got it all planned out! :goodjob:

Why even bother with Civ IV + Warlords..Instead of buying the Gold version, just try to buy Vanilla Civ IV. Save some money for that Wii your saving up for now. :) Unless you really want the Warlords scenario (and IMO they are NOT worth it!)

Why even bother with Civ IV + Warlords..Instead of buying the Gold version, just try to buy Vanilla Civ IV. Save some money for that Wii your saving up for now. :) Unless you really want the Warlords scenario (and IMO they are NOT worth it!)

I guess so, save a bit of $, and I know, the warlords scenarios sucked. I played them on my mac. For Christmas I'll probably get enough money for a wii. Thanks for the advice! :goodjob:

I guess so, save a bit of $, and I know, the warlords scenarios sucked. I played them on my mac. For Christmas I'll probably get enough money for a wii. Thanks for the advice! :goodjob:


You may have the money, but good luck finding one. Reports are that the Wii is going to be sparse on the shelf until 2008 :sad:

You may have the money, but good luck finding one. Reports are that the Wii is going to be sparse on the shelf until 2008 :sad:

Yeah, I know. The only place you can get one is from those bastards at Amazon who are charging $500 for it. :rolleyes: I'd rather wait to be honest, I don't "need" it right away.

Yeah, I know. The only place you can get one is from those bastards at Amazon who are charging $500 for it. :rolleyes: I'd rather wait to be honest, I don't "need" it right away.

Sadly I do, but I'm too lazy to head over to CC or BB early on Sunday morning.

Here's the real problem: my wife is totally in support of getting it (she even mentioned she considered getting it for my birthday in a few weeks, but with the availability non-existent...). A gaming system my wife actually wants to play, and it's not available for me to buy? :wallbash: Oh Xenu why do you torture me so?!?

Sadly I do, but I'm too lazy to head over to CC or BB early on Sunday morning.

Here's the real problem: my wife is totally in support of getting it (she even mentioned she considered getting it for my birthday in a few weeks, but with the availability non-existent...). A gaming system my wife actually wants to play, and it's not available for me to buy? :wallbash: Oh Xenu why do you torture me so?!?

Oooof, that sucks. Good luck, my sister and I were going to split the cost of one, because she actually wants to play it, doesn't look like we're going to for a while...I'm too lazy to call the stores every morning and hear that "no". A lot of people want to play the wii because it's different then all the other ones. Any person could play a wii and have fun. It's a good console.

We need more info. :please:

Yes please. :please:

Give us the info Methos...:nya:...we need the info...:nya:

He can only post what he knows. If there's no new info, there's no new info to post.

Where are those demos they promised?

Where are those demos they promised?

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=231074

Here's one..

There is also a demo on the PCgamer DVD that is included with the current issue.

You are talking the same !

Hi, just thought i'd say that one of the screens confirm that one of the two "unknown civs" for Rye's and Fall will be Khmer...

I installed Windows! [party] It was hard as hell...besides the fact that I'm twelve and I got the damned thing to work...I was up till' 2 in the morning. But it's working fine now. I thank you guys for all your advice and help for my decision. :goodjob: I'm glad it's done now! :lol:

I installed Windows! [party] It was hard as hell...besides the fact that I'm twelve and I got the damned thing to work...I was up till' 2 in the morning. But it's working fine now. I thank you guys for all your advice and help for my decision. :goodjob: I'm glad it's done now! :lol:

I thought you were a "die hard mac user" by your sig.
Personally I'm windows all the way and macs suck.:p

I'm windows too...

...and well macs are :badcomp:

A Mac user is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward.

I've heard that quote from somewhere in this forum, Gaius, prob on someone's sig.... :lol:

I have a healthy respect for Macs, I realise their potential, but I also favour PCs more than Macs. The one thing Macs are good for is laughs :lol: :lol: - the photobooth app, with one of the new G5s that has a built in camera, great for making yourself laugh when you take pics :D.

I read this funny blog about a guy who hated macs. He said that those videos of Mitchel and Webster ("Hello, I'm a Mac .... and I'm a PC") are so far from reality, because in reality the Mac guy would have one less arm (Mac mice traditionally have 1 button) :lol: - he said he should try and open his packet of crisps like that...

Actually, I want to make a "PC...or a Mac?" thread in Computer Talk now ;).

I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a Mac (a 8600/300 w/64 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Mac, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.

In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even BBEdit Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.

I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 300 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.

Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.

^Alright...I still am a die hard mac user, I'm just using Windows. Basically Macs are made for Windows as well as regular Mac OS X. Pc's are wimpy little vulnerable machines that get viruses and often crap out on you, no offense guys. And they can't run Mac OS X either...so we're more flexible. And If any of you really, and I mean really, have used a modern mac, you'd know that they are very high quality machines. Don't compare PC's and Macs because first:
It pisses me off, second:
It's stupid.
If you guys want to be jerks, go ahead. But the truth is you haven't really had a true experience with a mac.

You just have to stop, and move the discussion somewhere else ....

I don't know if you've discussed on this before, but I wonder why there is a building costing 175 hammers (BT) and a building costing 180 hammers (Levee). It just doesn't make sense. Do you think that BTs will in BTS cost either 150 or 180 hammers, or doubt you that these hammer costs aren't from normal speed game?

New article (http://palgn.com.au/article.php?id=8009&sid=6cc21e88b89d14a9288593b5e8bd12e9) at palg.com. The nice thing about it is they tell you they're playng a month old build.

You just have to stop, and move the discussion somewhere else ....

Yeah, go to Mac or PC (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=231329) to continue any discussion on this - lets have no more talk about it in this thread! ;)

Yeah, go to Mac or PC (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=231329) to continue any discussion on this - lets have no more talk about it in this thread! ;)

You are totally right... except: I guess almost everything ist said and asked and some things are even answered... however now everyone is waiting for the big day... the day of release! And in Germany we'll even have to wait a little longer...:cry:

I'm dieing to get my hands on the best expasion ever.

It does sound like the best expansion ever! I really wish Amazon UK would update their status...I hasten to think that it might change from "July 20th" to "July 24th" :eek:, and since I live in the UK it could be longer. Actually, it said that the game is coming on Thursday 19th, and we should receive it Friday/Saturday depending on where in the UK we live. Just I don't know whether to trust that date with the discrepancies with dates elsewhere...

The big wait........

A dumb question, but was there an option "missionaries start automated" in Civ4 or Warlords?

A dumb question, but was there an option "missionaries start automated" in Civ4 or Warlords?

No, not that I recall.

:goodjob: :goodjob:

when can i buy this game in italy'''????,

(whithout potatoes in the shoes):crazyeye: :crazyeye: :crazyeye:

[EDIT]^I don't know the European release date, sorry.
How many of you guys pre-ordered it through the internet? I think most of you guys did...so would'nt it be faster to get it in Toronto? :lol: I'm going up there the day it supposedly comes out in the US. But a lot of Canadians here (on the forum) say they get it either a day faster or a day after the US because of "American Delays" (have no idea what that means). I'm just going to try to get it while I'm up there. I don't really know what the chances of them having it or not are. If they don't, on my way back down I'm going to stop in some remote NY State town and get it at a Best Buy. :lol: Are there alot of civ players in Toronto? Or in NY State? There are barely any in NJ, besides me, Dom Pedro II, and some other guy I know. :lol:

Has there yet been any definitive statement regarding BTS compatibility with Vista?

I got an email this morning from Amazon.com saying the Release Date had been pushed back to July 29, so I won't get my BtS until 8/1 - 8/3:cry: . Anyone else know anything about this?

I got an email this morning from Amazon.com saying the Release Date had been pushed back to July 29, so I won't get my BtS until 8/1 - 8/3:cry: . Anyone else know anything about this?

Mine still shows 27-30 july arrival date

^That's what I imagined what would've happened. Since everybody ordered from Amazon, it got backordered? I figured my chances of getting it were better at the store. :dunno:

I canceled my Amazon order and ordered it through EB Games.

Yeah, mine still says 7/26 - 28.

Also, so far it looks like Vista will not be supported. From the official site:

RECOMMENDED SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS:
1.8GHz Intel Pentium 4 or AMD Athlon processor or equivalent/better
512 MB RAM
128 MD Video Card w/ DirectX 8 support (pixel and vertex shaders)
DirectX 9.0c compatible sound card
CD-ROM Drive
1.7GB of free hard drive space
DirectX 9.0c (included)
Sound Blaster® X-Fi™ series

MINIMUM SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS:
1.2GHz Intel Pentium 4 or AMD Athlon processor or equivalent
256MB RAM
CD-ROM Drive
64 MB Video Card w/Hardware T&L (GeForce 2/Radeon 7500 or better)
DirectX 9.0c compatible sound card
1.7 GB of free hard drive space
Direct X 9.0c (included)

SUPPORTED OPERATING SYSTEMS:
Windows 2000 (plus Service Pack 1 or higher), Windows XP (Home or Professional) (plus Service Pack 1 or higher)

*Requires Sid Meier’s Civilization IV to play

Dammit...I really want to upgrade my computer, but I don't want BTS to have problems (talk about ironic)...I suppose I'll wait to see if Vista players have problems.

I canceled my Amazon order and ordered it through EB Games.

When it says "Ships on ________" on EB Games, is that they day it ships out, or the day you can expect to receive it?

When it says "Ships on ________" on EB Games, is that they day it ships out, or the day you can expect to receive it?

The day it ships.

Ah, in that case, they won't really get it to me any sooner than Amazon...

Do you guys think the store is faster?

Do you guys think the store is faster?

If they have it on 7/23, yes. I just don't have a convenient store nearby.

Another question:

Will Civ run on a 64 bit machine?

Do you guys think the store is faster?

The EB store told me it would be shipped on the 23rd and I would be able to pick it up on the 24th. When I asked about whether they had specific days they get their shipments in, they said that was the 23rd. They also said the only reason I shouldn't get it on the 24th is if the publisher pushes it back. They didn't include whether they're store has problems, but we'll see.

My problem is I work from late afternoon until midnight, which means I won't be able to play the game much, if at all. :sad:

Methos, any input on Vista and/or 64-bit machine compatibility?

Methos, any input on Vista and/or 64-bit machine compatibility?

The only thing I can accurately say is that both Civ4 Vanilla and Warlords work on Vista. Not through my own personal experience, but several players in the HOF have stated they play and have submitted Vista games to the HOF tables. I would imagine that if both Vanilla and Warlords can be played on Vista, I don't see why BTS wouldn't. Just my opinion.

Great, thanks, that's pretty much the kind of info for which I was looking.

Another question:

Will Civ run on a 64 bit machine?

I run both Vanilla and Warlords on 64-Bit Vista with no problems (other than late game slowdowns, of course).

FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANtastic. Thanks!!!

Why would people think it wouldn't run on Vista?
Strange...

I mean, I see no reason why it wouldn't, but, uh, that's never made things run smoothly before ;).

I'm going to call Bestbuy, EB Games, Gamestop, and every other electronic store on Earth every morning until they have it!!!! I'm so freakin' excited!!!!

Umm i've heard of someone running it on vista... not that i have tried it myself *shakes head*

edit: it took a lot of restraint to have not *nod*

well, worst case, I figure I'll just install XP if it won't run on Vista, and just load XP when I want to play BTS.

I have the Warlords expansion pack. Will there be a patch or something to unite Warlords with this game? I say this as I quite liked the Civs and even the Great Wall Wonder on there. Any chance of incorporating them in this game or will Warlords now sit redundantly on my shelf? Anyone help? Thanks!

well, worst case, I figure I'll just install XP if it won't run on Vista, and just load XP when I want to play BTS.

From what I hear it runs on Vista, I've never used Vista, but isn't it basically the same thing as XP with a new look?
I have the Warlords expansion pack. Will there be a patch or something to unite Warlords with this game? I say this as I quite liked the Civs and even the Great Wall Wonder on there. Any chance of incorporating them in this game or will Warlords now sit redundantly on my shelf?
It includes warlords, so yeah, the warlords disc is pretty useless.

From what I hear it runs on Vista, I've never used Vista, but isn't it basically the same thing as XP with a new look?And OSX is Linux with a new look :p

But it runs fine on Vista, and I wouldn't know why it shouldn't run fine on Vista, actually.

But it runs fine on my brother's computer and he's running Vista (although I don't know if he runs 32-bits or 64-bits, but it shouldn't make a difference).
It includes warlords, so yeah, the warlords disc is pretty useless.It doesn't include the Warlords scenario's, I think.

From what I hear it runs on Vista, I've never used Vista, but isn't it basically the same thing as XP with a new look?

Not trying to start a flame war, but from what I gather Vista is a BUGGY version of XP with more of a MAC OS look and feel.

Sounds cute but until I hear its a LOT more stable, I'm fine with XP.

I love how Microsoft has even crippled some games so they'll ONLY install on Vista, even though there is no technical reason for it to be required (Geometry Wars Retro).

^Yeah, I've heard that about Vista too, and you can't run any old software on it either. And it is REALLY buggy and has tons of holes in it. It's too new to trust.

Sounds cute but until I hear its a LOT more stable, I'm fine with XP.

My sister has it, as do some of the computers here at work. It's very stable and it doesn't look or feel anything like Mac, imo.

All of these comments from users playing cIV on Vista make me wanna just buy the new machine...but...I just can't bring myself to do it! Maybe I'll borrow a work laptop and see how it does on that. I do like XP, but if I'm gonna buy a new machine, I may as well get Vista unless it's gonna restrict what programs I can run.

Not trying to start a flame war, but from what I gather Vista is a BUGGY version of XP with more of a MAC OS look and feel.

Sounds cute but until I hear its a LOT more stable, I'm fine with XP.Well it *is* a lot more stable than XP.
I learned that firsthand with a dualboot system and a corrupt memory module (which I only found out later).
Where Vista did crash once in a while and even gave me a BSOD, XP got corrupted beyond repair (BSOD's and a 'missing' HAL.dll).
Also with crashing drivers Vista *is* a lot more stable (because of a different driver-model (running in user-mode instead of kernel-mode).
^Yeah, I've heard that about Vista too, and you can't run any old software on it either.I don't know how far back you want to go, but as long as SimEarth, Theme Hospital and SimTower works, I'm fine.
For older games (like Ultima Underworld) I use DosBox :)
And it is REALLY buggy and has tons of holes in it. It's too new to trust.Well the Vista I have on my computer isn't buggy at all. Never noticed anything.
Besides, with the UAC it's a lot safer (just like OSX, which also has a form of UAC).
(Edit: Or were you sarcastic? My apologies in that case!)

So, unless somebody has something to say they didn't just 'hear somewhere', I'd say:
Civ4 runs fine on both XP and Vista.
Let's get back ontopic. Let's talk about BTS :)

I don't know how far back you want to go, but as long as SimEarth, Theme Hospital and SimTower works, I'm fine.
For older games (like Ultima Underworld) I use DosBox :)
Well the Vista I have on my computer isn't buggy at all. Never noticed anything.
Besides, with the UAC it's a lot safer (just like OSX, which also has a form of UAC).
(Edit: Or were you sarcastic? My apologies in that case!)

I wasn't being sarcastic, but you don't need to apologize. That was only from what I heard from a friend of mine. I really don't know much about Vista besides that, anyway, lets' get back on topic. :goodjob:
It doesn't include the Warlords scenario's, I think.
Those really sucked though. Compared with what the BtS scenarios sound like.

http://www.games.net/video/trailers/110040/civilization-iv-beyond-the-sword/

I think this is new.

http://www.games.net/video/trailers/110040/civilization-iv-beyond-the-sword/

I think this is new.:lol:
Love the voice-over :lol:

And yes, I think it's new :)

http://www.games.net/video/trailers/110040/civilization-iv-beyond-the-sword/

I think this is new.

It sure is! Interesting, it makes me curious if the game will have more videos in it, or if they made the videos just for the advertisements?

I have both a Mac and a PC, which runs Vista 64-bit. As I mentioned before, Vanilla and Warlords run fine on it. Vista and OS X aren't very similar IMHO. I find Vista easy to use and stable, especially since I push it by using a 64-bit system (which necessitates use of some unsigned drivers), using SLI and overclocking both the CPU and GPU's. IOW, I invite crashes and get the occasional BSOD, but I get the occasional SWOD on Mac as well. I run Civ on the PC because it's a desktop, while my Mac is a MacBook Pro, so the graphics just can't keep up.

I find the whole Mac/PC debate kind of amusing. Mac is the Yin to PC's Yang. Because of its closed system, Mac "works." But I love the tinkering that PC's allow because its so much more customizable. I consider myself lucky to be able to use and enjoy both.

It sure is! Interesting, it makes me curious if the game will have more videos in it, or if they made the videos just for the advertisements?Well I think some of the videos are for the new wonders, maybe?

I called Best Buy and they say 25th for them...I leave on the 23rd! :cry: Maybe they'll have it faster in Canada! :please:

Thanks to all for the feedback regarding Vista! I'm making the purchase.

Whoa, those new vids have me psyched all over again!

So when exactly is it coming out? I've seen everyday from today until the end of July for release dates.

So when exactly is it coming out?

The million dollar question. ;)

So when exactly is it coming out? I've seen everyday from today until the end of July for release dates.Well there you have your answer :p

It differs per continent and per shop :)

The video just posted says "Available July 25th" at the end. Does anyone know what market it's produced for? I'm assuming US since it's English with an unmistakable US accent.

That would make it two days later than I expected ...

The video just posted says "Available July 25th" at the end. Does anyone know what market it's produced for? I'm assuming US since it's English with an unmistakable US accent.

That would make it two days later than I expected ...

Games usually ship on a Tuesday and show up on the shelves on Wednesday so the 25th is when I would expect BtS to available.

Unless of course it magically appears a week early like it seems to be doing in Europe.

Ok then when does the game appear in the US?:p

I'm thinking next monday or tuesday.

Not to make anyone jealous, but just received confirmation my ORDER HAS BEEN SHIPPED for my BTS game!!!:eek: :goodjob:

I have been told to expect my game delivery tomorrow (Thursday) or Friday - Australia dates 19/20. I ordered it two weeks ago from "True Gamer" online and had it shipped "Express".

I will post once more when it arrives, but expect to be pretty busy after that...;)

gratz jungle

Slightly OT

When you lead a nation, every decision you make has consequences

it says in the trailer. I think of our leaders need to remember that.

Not to make anyone jealous, but just received confirmation my ORDER HAS BEEN SHIPPED for my BTS game!!!:eek: :goodjob:

I have been told to expect my game delivery tomorrow (Thursday) or Friday - Australia dates 19/20. I ordered it two weeks ago from "True Gamer" online and had it shipped "Express".

I will post once more when it arrives, but expect to be pretty busy after that...;)

Pffft. A few Aussies (including me) have had it for half a day already. ;)

FYI - Best Buy and Target both cite 7/25 as the release date. From Target's site:

Civilization IV: Meier Beyond the Sword for PC
This item will be released on July 25, 2007. You may order it now and we will ship it to you when it arrives.

But, GameSpot still says 7/23:

Game: Civilization IV: Beyond the Sword (PC)
Release Date: Jul 23, 2007

It's so weird that it's out in Australia, but there's still conflicting info about the US release date. Is this perhaps a result of the US outsourcing just about all of our manufacturing mostly to Asia?

Pffft. A few Aussies (including me) have had it for half a day already. ;)

I hate you.:p :)

I should have to wait no more than 3 days... maybe 2... :please:

Pffft. A few Aussies (including me) have had it for half a day already. ;)

I've said it before, and I'll say it again...

Note to self: First BtS Earth map game I play, nuke Australia.

:lol:

:lol: at Gaius' sig. The best version of the 'Deal with it' sig yet.

A request to the Aussie's:

When, or I should say "if", you take a break can you all provide a brief description or write up on your thoughts and experiences with the new features, please? The screenshots are great, especially those of the pedia, but I'd also like to hear about the game itself.

Some of us won't be able to get our hands on it until Tuesday (six more days). :cry:

The screenshots are great, especially those of the pedia, but I'd also like to hear about the game itself.

inDEED! In particular, I'm curious how the AI changes affected game play: did you have to step up or down in difficulty? Someone on another thread mentioned having an easier time on monarch.

You have gota be kiding!!!! :wow: They have BtS in Austrailia but not in the US!!! :wow: I'm moving to Austrailia!!!!

Now, I'm just wondering. What are BSODs and SWODs??



Wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's a joke right?

Hold on, didn't Dale Beta test? That means he has had it for a while.

Gauis I think it's time to change your sig.

You have gota be kiding!!!! :wow: They have BtS in Austrailia but not in the US!!! :wow: I'm moving to Austrailia!!!!

It all has to do with the International Dateline. :mischief:

I don't care the date it should be released on the same day everywhere. :mad:

I don't care the date it should be released on the same day everywhere. :mad:

I agree with you. I'm guessing this has to do with different legal systems and laws. The US is probably a bit more strict, hence the longer wait.

I hate this.:mad:

I'm guessing this has to do with different legal systems and laws. The US is probably a bit more strict, hence the longer wait.

Like what? My guess is they were produced in China, Korea, or Japan and got to Australia faster...a week would actually make perfect sense.