Starcraft 2 v's BTS
If both BTS & Starcraft 2 were released tommorrow and you only had the cash for 1, which would it be?

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I didnt like starcraft, and am not in the slightest interested in a 2nd one... what about the rest of you.

edit:
btw ~ www.starcraft2.com ... in case you didnt realise.

hard one, but i'l think i'l go for Starcraft ^^

RTS just doesn't work for me except when it's very small scale and has pause button, like in some RPGs.

BTS for me :) .

rts holds nothing against tbs, so it's bts for me.


what a freaking sentence Oo

BTS - I`ve got Company of Heroes for RTS needs ^^

btw ~ www.starcraft2.com ... in case you didnt realise.Holy ****. How long has this been around???

StarCraft 2 in a flash.

10-2-0, going for BtS. This is the CivFanatics forums, what do you expect?

I would like to imitate Watiggi's reaction, albeit my computer simply refuses to handle newer games. In fact, it already has a few problems running Civ4. Hm, hm. I voted for BtS.

BTS for me too, now had it been Diablo 3 that was announced, it would be a different story.

...what do you expect?
I expected more votes for beer & boobs.

Holy ****. How long has this been around???
The website was put up about 30 minutes before i posted. They have been hinting at it all week, but information & screenshots were also leaked earlier due to a preview at some korean thingy.

BTS for me too, now had it been Diablo 3 that was announced, it would be a different story.
I would like a d3 as well.

BTS, no question. Though it'd be a lot harder to choose if my compy could run SC2.

Hehe, I'll make it so that my computer will run SC2 and run it well I might add .... even if it hurts the bank :lol: I guess I needed a good excuse to go all out on buying a new system. StarCraft 2 would definitely fit the bill :) I'll look into a new system when the system requirements come out though.

Damn it looks fantastic!

Holy ****. How long has this been around???

StarCraft 2 in a flash.

Seriously!!! omg... when was this announced and revealed? I guess I've been living under a rock!!

It was only announced today. I was waiting to see if this could perhaps be the announcement of Diablo 3 Blizzard has been hinting around. They are still schedule to have another "huge announcement" later this year. Considering WoW already recieved an expansion this year, and now Starcraft 2 has been announced, perhaps D3 is next. :D

The blizzard fanbase was already pretty sure Starcraft 2 would be announced this year. They are about equally sure that the other announcement will be D3.

It is a civ forum so you can't say you didn't expect the outcome (23 BTS v 3 sc)

It is a civ forum so you can't say you didn't expect the outcome (23 BTS v 3 sc)True, but it might also be because they see StarCraft 2 as a hypothetical while BtS is a guarentee. They probably don't realise that it actually is in full production (and looks like it's quite developed... at least in the cinematic/gameplay trailer point of view anyway).

I tell ya, the gameplay components in the artwork/gameplay trailer have the same 3D look and feel of Warcraft III! Man this is fantastic! The huge numbers of Zerg look awesome too. They seem to have built a system that allows for massive armies (it even says it as a high light)!

The full gameplay trailer is going to be put up tommorrow (20/5 - American time I presume) according to the website.

It is a civ forum so you can't say you didn't expect the outcome (23 BTS v 3 sc)

Actually i expected starcraft to win, normally when you mention a blizzard game fanboys come crawling out of nowhere just to defend their precious.

But this forum is full of older people who have been fans of Civ since it was created so long ago.

Not to mention Warcraft/Starcraft has a larger fanbase than the Civ series.

However, Chicken makes a good point.

SC2 no contest. Sure I like civ4 also but one expansion more or less isn't going to change things. I can still play warlords after all. But SC2 I've been waiting for since Brood Wars was released. And now it's soon here! :king:

I tell ya, the gameplay components in the artwork/gameplay trailer have the same 3D look and feel of Warcraft III
There was a starcraft easter egg in war III(in game terrian units fighting zerg), IMO it was pretty obvious that they started developing it way back then with the same engine.

there, I voted for sc2.

though, to be honest, it would depend on the price. If sc2 is $60, i'm getting BTS.

Hmmm... tough choice. I would go for Starcraft 2 first though. (since i got Civ4 + Warlords for my civ needs anyway) It looks awesome :)

But argh! Need both! Give me both! Right now! :p

Looking at the poll after... would be interesting to see who picks what depending if they are multiplayer players or not.
(single player CiVer here, but multi player at heart ;) )

starcraft 2 hands down. Civ4 is nothing compared to the original starcraft and if sc2 is anything like the original starcraft, it will blow civ4 out of the water.

Starcraft2. It looks like it will be the game I hoped for:
It won't have any heroes like in WW3, but much larger armies and Protoss, Zerg and Humans are going to be more different from each other than in the original SC.

I would buy BtS. Played some starcraft in my past, but got bored with it (never cared for single player, and multiplayer gets too repetitive; was a matter of who clicked the most; bounds and stuff were fun, but got bored eventually with those).

Starcraft 2 will have enormous sales when it comes out. The entire nation of Korea will camp out 1 week in advance in front of their stores to get the game.

Hmm this would pose a serious problem for me. Starcaraft and civ are my all time favorite PC games.I have waited for SC2 since I was fifteen. In fact the only reason I found about civ was I got tired of brood wars and decided to try out something new. I guess if it came down to it I would go for bts but I'm glad I don't have to choose one or the other in real life.

Starcraft was one of the best games ever made, in my opinion, and THE best RTS. SC2 for sure.

No contest, Starcraft 2! Although I'm sure BTS would be the better game, since it probably would have more interesting features and Blizzard is really just WoW LTD now, I'd have to buy it since Starcraft was one of the first PC game I ever played. That, and we've been waiting 10 years for it to come out :P

What an unbiased place for such a poll!!

Warcraft 4 - YEAH!!!
Diablo 3 - OMG YES!!!!!
Starcraft 2 - Meh....
Beyond the Sword - Absolutely! ^^

What an unbiased place for such a poll!!Maybe it was a subtle way of making people in the General Discussions aware of that fact that StarCraft 2 now exists. :)

There was a starcraft easter egg in war III(in game terrian units fighting zerg), IMO it was pretty obvious that they started developing it way back then with the same engine.Hmmm. Where was this again? I vaguely remember something like that but can't quite place it.

Civ and Starcraft are two totally different types of games, so I'd have to go with Starcraft since Warlords could keep me satisfied, at least until I could save up enough for BTS and have both :D

The answer is no contest for me "beer and boobs", while I will buy both, they will occupy far less of my time than beer and boobs.

The answer is no contest for me "beer and boobs", while I will buy both, they will occupy far less of my time than beer and boobs.A night only goes for so long.


Any body notice that the SC2 website is down? Some simple error by the look of it. :(

The two games I have spent the most time in my life playing, in order, are:

1. Civilization II
2. StarCraft

If both were released tomorrow, I'd go for StarCraft II. I absolutely cannot wait to continue the storyline.

As a side note, if Starcraft 2 (not "II" because it's "techno") drops the realistic art gig (as opposed to the cartoon style of Warcraft since WC:O&H to WC3:TFT) then I will vomit at Blizzard for ruining that sole distinction.

As a side note, if Starcraft 2 (not "II" because it's "techno") drops the realistic art gig (as opposed to the cartoon style of Warcraft since WC:O&H to WC3:TFT) then I will vomit at Blizzard for ruining that sole distinction.
What realistic art? take a look at the screenshots... number 2 looks exactly like 1 only in 3d.

BTS - I`ve got Company of Heroes for RTS needsSame here. I have zero interest in Starcraft 2.

Starcraft 2 (not "II" because it's "techno")

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8707/sclogofh4.jpg

Given the premiss of the OP I'd go for BtS - I enjoy a good RTS every now and then (especially the ones by Blizzard) but I've never known one to have the same insane replayability value as the Civ games. However, knowing Blizzard it will be a couple of years before StarCraft II (:p) is released yet - plenty of time to explore BtS and save up money for the computer upgrade a state of the art RTS undoubtedly will require.

Don't kill me, I was just hoping! X_x ...Aw, that sucks. But I guess the slash-font is okay.

Anyway, after seeing the screenies, I doubt there will be any fancy schmancy physics engine in the game (the opposite of hoping!). And let's face it: combat with big monsters (like Ultralisks) is just not fun anymore without fancy schmancy physics!

EDIT: In fact, by the looks of it, this is just going to be Starcraft with better graphics and modificationabilitnizing.

I'll 100% for sure be buying both.

Axemen rush KEKEKEKEKEKEKEKE ^^

BTS is not a new game but Starcraft2 is a new one.

Can u put Civ5 in poll?

BTS is not a new game but Starcraft2 is a new one.
So?

Can u put Civ5 in poll?
No. As a rule of thumb i never put more or less than 3 options in a poll representing what i consider to be good(bts), bad(sc) & neutral(beer) so the results aren't useless & vague like some of the 5 to 7 option polls i see about the net.

I have zero interest in Starcraft 2.

Same. In fact, the hype is starting to annoy me.

Same. In fact, the hype is starting to annoy me.
Same.I just saw the demo video of StarCraft 2 and lose all interest in SC2 - I like the RTS in which I can blow enemy troops into the tree and destruct every thing on the map ^^

Crap... I acidentally voted the wrong one (BtS).

Seriously, BTS is a new expansion, StarCraft II is a new GAME.

StarCraft II is a new GAME.
So??? its just the same old sh#t only in 3d this time. I find it rather ironic that BTS actually has more new content than that of a whole new game.

^
I find that I have to agree with that statement, despite its vulgar nature. So far as the teasers go, Starcraft II is nothing but a hybrid of Starcraft and Warcraft III. Honestly, Blink?

However, if anything's going to make Starcraft II popular, it won't be astounding new gameplay mechanics or its smooth style graphics (I just loved the 3d when I saw it)--it's going to be the story.

...was that old man in the concept art Jim Raynor? Did the story move on so far already? :eek: HL2 story syndrome!

However, if anything's going to make Starcraft II popular, it won't be astounding new gameplay mechanics or its smooth style graphics (I just loved the 3d when I saw it)--it's going to be the story.
It will be the koreans that make it popular :P
http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php

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I'll probley come around to the game once its released, a game'a'holic's gotta have the latest. I just wish the zerg & protoss looked as cool as they did in the original, the 3d has taken away some of their character & zerg no longer look slimy but rather mechanical.

^
I find that I have to agree with that statement, despite its vulgar nature. So far as the teasers go, Starcraft II is nothing but a hybrid of Starcraft and Warcraft III. Honestly, Blink?

However, if anything's going to make Starcraft II popular, it won't be astounding new gameplay mechanics or its smooth style graphics (I just loved the 3d when I saw it)--it's going to be the story.

...was that old man in the concept art Jim Raynor? Did the story move on so far already? :eek: HL2 story syndrome!

It's also in alpha :P

Starcraft 2. Only due to the fact that I haven't even bought warlords yet because they'll inevitably pack Civ 4 and all of it's expansions into one package that'll be the price of the original, or more likely, less. So I'll just buy that for the best bang for my buck to see where the game has been taken.

Now, if that aforementioned package was being released tomorrow alongside Starcraft 2 and I had enough money for only one. Then I'd buy the Civ pack.

BtS for me. I liked StarCraft, but I've pretty much grown out of RTS.

Now as far as the popularity of StarCraft in Korea goes - I'm currently living in Korea and so far, my impression of it is that while it is insanely popular (where else do you have a bloody StarCraft channel??? :crazyeye: ) compared to the US, the way American and Western media portrays Korean StarCraft fandom is totally overblown. Not everyone plays StarCraft here. ;)

Not everyone plays StarCraft here. ;)
Do you feel alone & lost amongst the starcraft fanatics. :p

Don't kill me, I was just hoping! X_x ...Aw, that sucks. But I guess the slash-font is okay.

Anyway, after seeing the screenies, I doubt there will be any fancy schmancy physics engine in the game (the opposite of hoping!). And let's face it: combat with big monsters (like Ultralisks) is just not fun anymore without fancy schmancy physics!

EDIT: In fact, by the looks of it, this is just going to be Starcraft with better graphics and modificationabilitnizing.

Actually, Blizzard confirmed that Starcraft II will be using the Havok physics engine.

Sorry guys, but I love me some Blizzard games. As much as I like playing Civ IV, and Warlords, BTS would have to wait in line behind Starcraft II.

Actually, Blizzard confirmed that Starcraft II will be using the Havok physics engine.
You've got to be kidding? Biggest waste of processing power ive ever heard of for a rts.

On the physics engine:

Now that changes everything. If they manage to mix in a physics engine and Starcraft gameplay, balance it all up into a neat little bundle...I quote Alexander the Great of Macedon: "--it would be way cool!"

I wanna see Ultralisks crashing into a group of marines sending them all flying into the air with its great tusk-claw things, battleships falling into the ground in a blazing fireball turning Zerglings into red goo, Wraiths doing dogfights instead of "stand and shoot" all of the time...wishy wishy wishy...:crazyeye:

...Anything less will be boycotted!

I'm very excited, no matter what they do I'm sure I'll enjoy it. I completly suck at RTS' multiplayer, but I still love them to death. Such a loser :(

The physics has me intrigued, too. Mmm, destruction in all dimensions.

The thing that makes me angriest about Starcraft 2 is that the beta test passes will inevitably go to people that attend Blizzcon, and when you live in Saskatchewan, it's freakin' impossible to go :(

Anyone have any ide of where it is in development? I read that they were moving into closed beta. If that's true, then how long (Blizzard time) would it be before it comes out?

I know Blizzard doesn't do things in terms of time, more in stages, so I guess I'm asking: How many stages until release and how long - based on their past experience - will these stages roughly take? Is this an end of year thing or a couple of years off thing?

Knowing Blizzard it will be a couple years. Definitely wouldn't expect to see it out before Fall 2008.

Starcraft 2 easily. It might be closer if it's SC2 vs. Civ5, but BTS is only an expansion.

BTS in moderation with choice #3. Actually that whole set in moderation.

Starcraft 1 put me to sleep.

So...BTS will be $29.99 probably...SC2 will be either $49.99 or $59.99 + PC upgrades.


BTS FTW.

I would be willing to bet that SC2 will be in better release condition than Civ was this time around. I doubt PC upgrades will be neccessary if you can run Civ 4 on default settings without compromises or slowdown.

Civ games always have a longer life for me then other ones. Plus Starcraft 2 removed all the grittiness from the series. While it makes it less of the Warhammer 40k ripoff it use to be, it also makes it seem more generic.

bts i don't know what star craft is anyway so it would be bts

While it makes it less of the Warhammer 40k ripoff it use to be, it also makes it seem more generic.
I always thought of it as a Alien Versus Preditor rip off.

Knowing Blizzard it will be a couple years. Definitely wouldn't expect to see it out before Fall 2008.

Its been in production for nearly 4 years (source: they said they started around when they released Frozen Throne) and they got a beta out there. It will definitely be out BEFORE Fall 2008.

For those are you that are complaining about Starcraft II graphics as 'warcraft in space' then look at this:

ALPHA
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5575/starcraftalpha2ml6.th.jpg (http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=starcraftalpha2ml6.jpg)
RELEASED
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/5029/starcraft03xl7.th.jpg (http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=starcraft03xl7.jpg)

Now loook at this screenshot and imagine the same improvement.
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1346/253pxstarcraftiiscreensgf1.th.jpg (http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=253pxstarcraftiiscreensgf1.jpg)

You won't be dissapointed.

Its been in production for nearly 4 years (source: they said they started around when they released Frozen Throne) and they got a beta out there. It will definitely be out BEFORE Fall 2008.I'm now a little skeptical. It's been said in a few of the reviews that it's currently pre-alpha. In the gameplay video (the one with the narration, on the StarCraft 2 website), "that it's only a demo, that nothing final and that there's a lot of balancing work ahead". Granted that probably would be the case with a beta game, but it just feels that there is a long road ahead still.

I also suspect that they will be spending a lot of time play testing the MP aspect of it in order to preserve the professional tournaments. After seeing what I saw in the demo, I just hope they don't go the nerfing route. I hope they find a way to keep that awesome synergy I saw and balance it with the other races (hopefully as equally aweseome) synergy.

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I tell ya, with that Protoss Mothership being in the game, I wonder what the Zerg Queen will be :D

I hope she's a big mother (******!) who can lay hundreds of eggs or maybe she'll be a mobile hatchery or something. :D:D

I'm now a little skeptical. It's been said in a few of the reviews that it's currently pre-alpha. In the gameplay video (the one with the narration, on the StarCraft 2 website), "that it's only a demo, that nothing final and that there's a lot of balancing work ahead". Granted that probably would be the case with a beta game, but it just feels that there is a long road ahead still.

I also suspect that they will be spending a lot of time play testing the MP aspect of it in order to preserve the professional tournaments. After seeing what I saw in the demo, I just hope they don't go the nerfing route. I hope they find a way to keep that awesome synergy I saw and balance it with the other races (hopefully as equally aweseome) synergy.

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I tell ya, with that Protoss Mothership being in the game, I wonder what the Zerg Queen will be :D

I hope she can lay hundreds of eggs or maybe she'll be a mobile hatchery or something.

I don't know what site, but Blizzard has said they already have all three races playable. For what I seen so far, they just need some graphic tweaks and fix any balancement they find. So I'm expecting it anytime before 2009.

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Blizzard also has said they want to keep the races very distinctive. So, if they keep the Protoss Mothership, don't expect superunits for the Terran and Zerg.

On the graphics jump: No way is the graphics improvement on final release going to be that big, unless they want people to complain that their expensive Alienware PC's are dying. Anyway, the graphics they've shown are pretty good, sleek and smooth (still too WC3-ish, but good 'nuff).

I would buy BtS but i agree the poll is totally biased, in any other forum except it SC2 would won hands down.
About SC2 even if it is at an alpha or beta stage i feel a bit underwhelmed probably because i expected SC2 to be the king RTS with a lot of innovations in the genre but:

-graphic and unit models doesn't look better than in CoH, and how can they even not make SC2 take advantage of DX 10 (actually they don't know) if they will release the game in 2008 or even 2009?Even CoH released in 2006 will take advantage of DX10
- Gameplay doesn't seem at the first news so much innovative.No unit cap is a bit C&Cish, and some of the innovations introduced in CoH doesn't seem to be introduced in SC2 from the few info we have!

The only thing i'm sure is that they will deliver a wonderful single player campaign

The only thing i'm sure is that they will deliver a wonderful single player campaign
Hear hear. Let's have faith in Blizzard for that.

On the graphics jump: No way is the graphics improvement on final release going to be that big, unless they want people to complain that their expensive Alienware PC's are dying. Anyway, the graphics they've shown are pretty good, sleek and smooth (still too WC3-ish, but good 'nuff).
Improving the terrain doesn't mean complete overhaul with more detailed graphics. It just means changing unit graphic styles (as everyone complained about it too 'cartoony' or 'WCIIIish'). The Starcraft Alpha/Release are improved graphic styles, not new high-tech details you need to upgrade for.

I don't know what site, but Blizzard has said they already have all three races playable. For what I seen so far, they just need some graphic tweaks and fix any balancement they find. So I'm expecting it anytime before 2009.Yeah, I remember reading that too. They are all playable, but they have to balance it all. I would imagine the prof. players would have a high level of input into it and I can see that it might take a while in order to get it right.

Blizzard also has said they want to keep the races very distinctive. So, if they keep the Protoss Mothership, don't expect superunits for the Terran and Zerg.Yes, and they also said that the Zerg and the Terran also have a "super unit" - but they are different in that they aren't restricted to only having one of them. This to me says that they are not as powerful as the Mothership, but are powerful in their own right. I can just see a Zerg Queen being a mobile Hatchery - just like the Phase Prisms are mobile Pylon/Teleporters.

The game synergy with the Protoss is clearly about getting units into battle quickly. The zerg appear to be about mass numbers and so a Queen that can produce quickly or something would, imo, be really cool.

...I just hope they don't take too long releasing the other races information or thereabouts.

(I hope the Carrier is still in...)

I'd hardly call the poll results unbiased. But it's a fun comparism.

StarCraft 2, for sure. As much as I love Civ, I don't think I could anticipate any game as much as I'm already anticipating SC2.

Meh.. SC II is just another RTS..
Civ is THE TBS. BTS without a moments hesitation.

who needs starcraft2 when u can have Supreme Commander.
no!
i would buy BTS...

Starcraft 2. No decision. Come on, I can wait a few months for an expansion, but Starcraft 2? The sequel to the second greatest game of all time?

This question is pointless. I'd run to the bank and get enough money for BOTH and enjoy them as they are...separate entities who're enjoyable and immersive in their own unique ways...

Can I get some boobies first, then kick the skank out of the house when I start drinking beer while playing BTS? :D

starcraft 2 hands down.

wow I guess there must be alot of young kids here. At least more than I thought.

How could anyone vote against Beer and Boobs?

wow I guess there must be alot of young kids here. At least more than I thought.

How could anyone vote against Beer and Boobs?
You speak truth, and beer and boobies sounds like the perfect elixir for my indecision:goodjob:

wow I guess there must be alot of young kids here. At least more than I thought.

How could anyone vote against Beer and Boobs?Would be an easy decision for those who get it regularly :)

STARCRAFT 2 hands down and no other RTS has worked for me
CIVILIZATION 2 used to be such a good game...

Starcraft all the way, Civilization is great, but it just hasn´t got the great story arc that Starcraft has. The most exciting about BTS for me is all the scenarios. But that is just because I´ve played so much Civ 4 that I want something different at the moment (So therefore I'm playing the Civ 3 Escape from Zombie Island scenario :p ).
Normally I'm not a huge fan of RTS games, but there are some titles that have a special place in the pantheon of games, and starcraft is one of them.

As far as the release date is concerned, the site of my local gaming store says january 2008, which will probably be postponed once we get that far.

SC II was the only RTS game I ever played much of. I do worry about the upgrade requirements though... and the main reason I enjoyed it so much was that it was the first game I ever played in my res-net while away on exchange in university... and now I'm much closer to the having kids point in my life... so the RTS experience doesn't seem like something I'll be up for as much anymore.

And the Civ series has taken up WAY WAY more of my time in the grand scheme of things, and is just a better fit for me.

But thanks for the OP, its interesting to see this finally on the horizon - its been a LONG time.

SC II was the only RTS game I ever played much of.
You've played it?! How is it?! :eek:

You've played it?! How is it?! :eek:
His from the future :P

His from the future :P

;)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/TARDIS.jpg/450px-TARDIS.jpg

I would get BtS.


999 posts!!

I'd get BTS aswell (admittedly because I know civ is good and I've never played starcraft)

starcraft 2 no doubt