Why do we have regular units? All our units shold be veterans, only the cities with barracks shold build units.

And why do we still have units in the cities that lie in the middle of our kingdom, they are already protected by our borders. When an enemy attacks, they will attack the closest town. We should move these defense units to our bordering cities.

And great leaders should never be used to build armies, they should be used to hurry wonders.

Any comments or questions appreciated

Why do we have regular units? All our units shold be veterans, only the cities with barracks shold build units.

I disagree, yes our cities with barracks should be building alot of Military units, but 5 Vets can easily be defeated by 20 regulars. Sometimes Quantity helps. I feel the solution isn't to RESTRICT unit building to barrack cities, but keep the same system, but work on getting more barracks so we don't have to worry about this later. So no restrictions to just Barrack cities. Anyway they can get experience in battle (of course that's assuming they survive, biggest problem there)

And why do we still have units in the cities that lie in the middle of our kingdom, they are already protected by our borders. When an enemy attacks, they will attack the closest town. We should move these defense units to our bordering cities.

why? maybe because Rome took Atlanta earlier by sending in a Galley. Unless, I'm overruled by the public I won't allow a large amount of our inner cities have no garrison. I feel 1 pikeman each is sufficient with the mass of our defence force at the borders. Are those units wasted? Maybe but it's an insurence policy.

And great leaders should never be used to build armies, they should be used to hurry wonders.

Now that we have an army and our Military is doing good I agree. But, "never" is a strong word to use, I'm glad we built an Army with our first Leader, we might not have gotten our current leader if we hadn't.

This is a game based on the collective ideas of many people, not just the playing style of one person.

You can vote your opinions in the various polls in the forums and voice your ideas there.

In general, I don't want to have tons of new threads that should have been posts elsewhere.

Originally posted by Duke of Marlbrough
This is a game based on the collective ideas of many people, not just the playing style of one person.

You can vote your opinions in the various polls in the forums and voice your ideas there.

In general, I don't want to have tons of new threads that should have been posts elsewhere.

I thought this was where we were suppose to voice our opinions.

And I know this is a game based on the collective ideas of many people, I am one of the people, and I am using my democratic right to speak my mind, it`s a free country and a free press.

You have to learn Hommie that when they say voice you oppinions it means if you agree with the Goverment and the good Duke.

When I said bordering cities, I meant all cities at the end of our borders, even those bordering the sea. Cities like Eÿr and Lutetia would need pikemen, but cities like Pherris, PDX and Washington would not need any defense because it would take the enemies to many turns to reach them, since they cannot use our roads.

I hope this mere suggestion does not offend the Supreme Commander

By the time they where reached we could build a deffence there

Originally posted by russia1292000
You have to learn Hommie that when they say voice you oppinions it means if you agree with the Goverment and the good Duke.

Oh, sorry. I am a new citizen, and not yet familiar with the code of conduct. But does this mean that we cannot post sugestions to our leaders, or is this suppose to be done in the turns chat?

Originally posted by russia1292000
You have to learn Hommie that when they say voice you oppinions it means if you agree with the Goverment and the good Duke.

This is not true at all, as Duke has no power in the game, none, the moderators are forbidden from doing anything that the citizens can't (other then moderate the forum and starting the elections). Read through some of the department threads, everyone isn't posting "Good Idea" over and over are they?

And Homie: Please do post your ideas, there are valued an important, EVERYONE has a valid idea.

But also, because we have RoP's with less then trustworthy neighbours, it is necessary to have something to defend our in-land cities.

You can say it all you want but only a chossen few have power. All ways of free speach are controlled. What we need is new ellected officials.

Originally posted by russia1292000
You can say it all you want but only a chossen few have power. All ways of free speach are controlled. What we need is new ellected officials.

1) A chosen few do have power, they are the elected officials, however you miss one very large part of the equasion, WE ARE ELECTED and WE BASE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. If you don't believe that, would you mind explaining to me why there are all those polls posted?

2) All ways of free speech controlled? I'd like for you to explain this to me please, as I don't really understand this.

3) New elected officials are nominated on the 28th (I believe) and elections run from the 29th to the end of the month, may I suggest you nominate yourself in the next election?

1. The majority of the people have no Idea who the ellected officals are but they feel safe with who are allready ellected.

2. If there is free speace why did Duke just tell Homie to stop. Why is there a thread made for the reason of deleteing "offending treads". Why does the goverment push people not to open disscusion treads. In this cycle the powerfull get more and the weak must vote for the powerfull.


3. I don't want to run. I just want to reform the Ideas of the Goverment. The Goverment needs a judicial body to protect the constitution.

Originally posted by Duke of Marlbrough
This is a game based on the collective ideas of many people, not just the playing style of one person.

You can vote your opinions in the various polls in the forums and voice your ideas there.

In general, I don't want to have tons of new threads that should have been posts elsewhere.

This is what you are referring to correct? nowhere in this post can I find the words "don't start new threads unless your an elected official" In fact, the Duke is encouraging Homie to post his ideas and his opinions, only in the relevent thread. This is understandable because with the wide variety of opinions, the clutter would build up very quickly and the point of the posts would be lost (This happened Term 1, which is why we switched to this new method, with a general vote, followed by a cabinet vote).

1) This is up to the voter, you should probably listen to the posts of the people you could vote for before you vote. Showing up at an election booth with no knowledge of the candidates is the same thing.

2) Uhh, once again, I don't know which thread your talking about, the closest one would be "needed stuff" which is used when we want to make a thread sticky. And the government doesn't push them not to open threads, as The Duke is the moderator, and is not part of the government, we recomment people post in threads that are already having the discussions about the topics so the persons opinions are seen by the officials that should see them.

3) We have had many threads (posted by elected officials ironically enough) about whether or not the constitution has been violated by the cabinet. AS deputy, I make sure that Shaitan never violates the constitution in his recommendations, like if he were to ignore a poll that went against his own policies.

I think our defenses are very good, especially considering we have conquered all of America and most of Egypt. We are also at peace with our neighbors now.

Originally posted by russia1292000
1. The majority of the people have no Idea who the ellected officals are but they feel safe with who are allready ellected.
We had cabinet elections just the other week, a substantial number of new officials are in place. Those who held on to power did so because they were re-elected by a populace who think they'd done a good job in their previous term. And we do know who they are, because we voted for (or in some cases against) them.

2. If there is free speace why did Duke just tell Homie to stop. Why is there a thread made for the reason of deleteing "offending treads". Why does the goverment push people not to open disscusion treads. In this cycle the powerfull get more and the weak must vote for the powerfull.
Duke just asked Homie to make sure that there isn't a pre-existing thread covering his topic which he could post his arguments in before starting a new thread. Having 2 zillion threads makes it VERY hard to know what's really going on and to make informed decisions on how to vote. He was NOT telling Homie to shut up.


3. I don't want to run. I just want to reform the Ideas of the Goverment. The Goverment needs a judicial body to protect the constitution.
If you have issues with the way the goverment works, then highlight what they are and propose alternatives/solutions for discussion. If the majority is in favour of them then the constitution will be amended. This is what democracy is about. if you don't like it then go set up your own "Game Of Anarchy" somewhere :D

Immortal is correct. I don't think Duke was discouraging making your opinions known, just the method. The best way is to voice your concerns with the particular department you have a problem in. In this case, you should probably make a post in Falcon's Military Dept thread. For example, if Falcon doesn't hear from anyone, he assumes everyone is agreeing with his military plans.

The majority of people elected their officials to run the game. The officials are doing a tremendous job posting their plans between each turn & they are carried out during the turn as best to the ability of the President as possible.

I'm not sure where you see the problem. Perhaps an example or more information is needed?

Wow. Just post some general information and look what happens.

You are free to post your ideas as you please, but they need to be in the correct threads. There are threads for all of the leaders, find the right one and post in there.

If you do not know who the elected officials are, I suggest you look for a thread that shows them. Maybe the Constitution - Game Dynamics - Current Governement Thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19271) would be a good place to look?

My job here is to keep the game running smoothly. If that means pointing out to people that they need to post their ideas in the correct spot, then thats what I do.

As I said, take some time to look around and see where stuff is. If you can't find the correct spot, ask in the general thread and someone will be nice enough to answer you.

If you don't like the current government, then work towards changing it by voting for people you do like.

Duke, I agree in general that people should post threads in the correct places, but we should be slightly more forgiving towards people who have recently joined. The demogame forum is large, and new citizens can't always be expected to read all threads to determine whether someone else has posted something similar before, or to always know which is the correct place to post something. :splat: ;)

Originally posted by Immortal
3) We have had many threads (posted by elected officials ironically enough) about whether or not the constitution has been violated by the cabinet. AS deputy, I make sure that Shaitan never violates the constitution in his recommendations, like if he were to ignore a poll that went against his own policies.
Good thing too. I'd have taken over by now if I wasn't closely monitored. :satan:

;)

Originally posted by Homie
When I said bordering cities, I meant all cities at the end of our borders, even those bordering the sea. Cities like Eÿr and Lutetia would need pikemen, but cities like Pherris, PDX and Washington would not need any defense because it would take the enemies to many turns to reach them, since they cannot use our roads.

I hope this mere suggestion does not offend the Supreme Commander

I'm not offended, despite Russia's claims I welcome constructive criticism. When I've heard border cities I've continually thought our land borders. But now that you've elaborated it to show that you intended to include the shores in that, I think you're right. The thought never occured to me to group the cities on the shore with border cities.

Thank you for your suggestions.

Originally posted by Zur
Duke, I agree in general that people should post threads in the correct places, but we should be slightly more forgiving towards people who have recently joined. The demogame forum is large, and new citizens can't always be expected to read all threads to determine whether someone else has posted something similar before, or to always know which is the correct place to post something.

If you'll notice that I didn't do anything about his question on chats....

That's the difference. If someone doesn't know where something is or where to post, they should then ask. I'm actually trying to make sure his views are heard.

I have had lots of PM's from people asking me where they start, or what is the game. I am happy to help them out. I don't think having people post things in the wrong spots is the way to keep the game running smoothly.

I made an example of this thread, because, as you can see, it is basically the only one like it. It should have been in the Military Leaders thread, where it will be read by everyone playing the game.

Now, unfortunately, what I posted was interpreted by other person as being very negative. Granted, it was short and direct, but it was meant to remind the poster and everyone who read it that there is a better way to post their views.

The remarks about where to find the current government and how to change it (3rd and 6th paragraphs) were directed at the person who asked about it and who has been here since the beginning and should know a little better about what is going on.

If you feel I offened you, Homie, I apologize.

Duke, I believe you did nothing wrong here. You're first post was direct and articulate and I had no trouble understanding it. But...
I don't think Homie did much wrong here either except entering the forum like a bull in a china shop. That's something that needs to be learned not taught. Something we might consider here is that Homie stopped posting half way through the last page. :)

My thoughts as a citizen:
this is the Citizens Forum. Homie is a citizen. With the original implementation of the 3 sub-forums, class separation was intended by default. Only government officials were to post in the Govt. Forum. THAT fact is stated on the first page of the main forum by a moderator. Maybe Homie did read the Important Stuff and noting that paragraph, decided to post his beliefs in the Citizens Forum.

This forum is a place for ordinary citizens to start a discussion on issues that effect the state of the nation. If a push comes to exclude ordinary citizens from the Govt. Forum, then this forum will be the only place for Homie's post. Actually, it is appropriately placed now, as Homie is a citizen. Homie could start a citizens poll if he wanted to (please don't do that now, Homie) I think what got people riled in the first place was the extremist-type statement that Homie used. As a Newbie to this forum you might want to establish some history here before demanding policy changes. But I feel you were well within your rights to open this thread.

Immortal was right about the pikes in the inner cities being there because of the massive ROP policy in place now. Supreme Commander Falcon02 is doing a great job, as evidenced by his superb effort as player in last night turn chat.

He was correct to post in here, the only thing I was trying to supply was direction and order.

My first point was to make it known that he could have posted his ideas in another thread, rather then make a new one about it.

Second, was to point out that we are trying to avoid multiple idea 'rambling' threads where various ideas are espouted with no real context.

Since this was basically his first post, I assumed he was trying to get a feel for the game and might need some direction, that was my intent.

I know that in the future I will make separate posts to each person as to try and avoid any confusion as to who my replies are addressed at.

And, I think this is enough discussion about a lot of nothing.