So there I was with Thebes which had 23 turns left for the Great Lighthouse. I produced a Great Engineer. I thought sweet, I'll get my economy going alot earlier.

So I rush built the GL with my GE which brought it down to ONE turn left. The next turn I get the message "You cannot keep building the GL, what would you like to build next" WTF?? Pesia had created the GL the same turn I did. I thought a tie was supposed to go to the human. Like in Civ III. I just wasted a GE.

Oh well, back to autosave.

You didn't waste it completely, you got the gold.

Best regards,

Are you sure it wasn't completed on the turn that you got the great engineer but that you missed the announcement?

I've read on these forums before, that in case of a tie, the civ that has the most overflow completes the wonder. This also is true when founding religions. However, I do not know how using a GE effects this tie breaking situation.

I can only guess that when using the GE, you had just enough hammers to finish the Great Lighthouse, while maybe (Persia, or whoever you said built it) had one hammer left, so all production for their next turn was overflow.

This is also a great possibility.
Are you sure it wasn't completed on the turn that you got the great engineer but that you missed the announcement?

Eww. That stinks.

I'd wondered today if that ever happens. I just dropped a GE to build the Library, well after everyone had discovered Literature. I thought, "hmmm ... what if someone else is a turn away from finishing this too?"

If human and AI build a wonder on the same turn, the human wins. In your case, Persia had already build the wonder before you rushed the building, but the message telling you this appeared later in the same turn.

I've had the same thing happen to me, although I slaved rather than used a GE to finish it. 7 pop wasted finishing a pyramids that I never got to see, but they were all unhappy anyway. Think of it as free money, and you can always conquer the gl where ever it is, or reload.

I've read on these forums before, that in case of a tie, the civ that has the most overflow completes the wonder. This also is true when founding religions. However, I do not know how using a GE effects this tie breaking situation.

I believe this is correct. Same with religion and research: if you and the AI both research a tech to found a religion on the same turn, the tie-breaker is your overflow. I've missed a religion to the AI by cutting down on my research on the last turn to "just barely" get the tech while generating a cash surplus. I'm pretty sure the tie-breaker does not address the issue of who the human player is.

All I can say is, if you really feel bad about it, reload.

If human and AI build a wonder on the same turn, the human wins

incorrect.

If human and AI build a wonder on the same turn, the human wins.

I don't believe that this is true. There's no such thing as the same turn.

You rushed your construction so that it would be finished on the next turn. But before your next turn can happen, all the AIs must have their turns. It just so happened that Persia finished construction then, between you using your engineer and having your turn where it is completed. That is, Persia had 1 turn left before you used your engineer to recude the wonder to 1 turn left.

Just curious--what about zero turns remaining? I've noticed that if I whip a unit, it is immediately available for defense before the AI attack. Does that mean my unit (from the "next" turn) appeared before the AI completed its turn?

Just curious--what about zero turns remaining? I've noticed that if I whip a unit, it is immediately available for defense before the AI attack. Does that mean my unit (from the "next" turn) appeared before the AI completed its turn?

I have noticed this before (and exploited it many times); it seems that by whipping a unit or buying it with Uni. Suff., it appears at the end of your turn, just in time to defend any attack. But it isn't zero turns remaining as such, is it? I thought it still said one turn remaining after whipping etc.

Maybe the system for buildings is different, but I am only speculating. I've certainly had a world wonder whipped, bought or rushed with a Great Engineer and been still beaten to it a few times. It's very annoying.

Maybe the system for buildings is different, but I am only speculating. I've certainly had a world wonder whipped, bought or rushed with a Great Engineer and been still beaten to it a few times. It's very annoying.

"Annoying"? What about the people you sacrificed? "Uh, hey, remember when I sent your husband to work himself do death, claiming that he would be giving his life to finish a great monument to god and would be rewarded for his services in the afterlife? Yeah, well it turns out somebody else built the exact same thing over in some far away place, so we're gonna hafta sell the entire thing for scrap now. Yeah. Have a nice day."

"Annoying"? What about the people you sacrificed? "Uh, hey, remember when I sent your husband to work himself do death, claiming that he would be giving his life to finish a great monument to god and would be rewarded for his services in the afterlife? Yeah, well it turns out somebody else built the exact same thing over in some far away place, so we're gonna hafta sell the entire thing for scrap now. Yeah. Have a nice day."

hey, take it easy, this is just a game!

"Annoying"? What about the people you sacrificed? "Uh, hey, remember when I sent your husband to work himself do death, claiming that he would be giving his life to finish a great monument to god and would be rewarded for his services in the afterlife? Yeah, well it turns out somebody else built the exact same thing over in some far away place, so we're gonna hafta sell the entire thing for scrap now. Yeah. Have a nice day."

"It just won't bring in the tourist revenue quite like that city we won't see for another few hundred years. Sure these Pyramids look nice, but y'know, it's been done."

Did your husband die working the pyramids? Come on, that was sooo last turn.. :s

It did happen to me a few times too. It's especially frustrating with a GE. I've also tried just letting the city build it without whipping and engineering, and still loose it when I had 1 turn left.

Then I usually cry, scream, toss the computer out through the window, have a nice cup of tea, and then go out and buy a new PC.

You didn't waste it completely, you got the gold.

Best regards,

yeah but 140 gold is hardly worth losing THAT...

Ok so if it IS possible does that mean I have to check the cities wonders list each time before I use a GE? That's a goofy little 'enhancement' don't you think? :)

Each player (AI or human) has a turn in turn based ... like civ...
This means that you end your turn then AI1, AI2, Human2, AI3, AI4

There is no such thing as "the same turn" or to be more precise "the same SUB-turn".
In a 8 player game there are actually 8 "turns" or sub-turns per turn.
The first player to complete his sub-turn in this turn is awarded the wonder and/or Religion and/or win in case of a "tie".

The moment you Finish your turn production, food and beakers are applied to the stuff you are doing. Buildings completed, Cities grow and Techs researched. This explains the "ghost" unit appearing before the AI can attack as well :).

Therefor in actuallity the statement made earlier is not completely correct:
If human and AI build a wonder on the same turn, the human wins. ....

This goes for Single player as well as Multi player. Simultanious turns or Sequential doesnt make (much) of a difference, where Player number will determain the "sub-turn order" for Simultanious.

In single player tho, the human plays player number 1. Therefor above statement is correct that -in SP- the human wins in case of a "tie" eventho -formaly- no such thing excists

The other part is spot on tho
.... In your case, Persia had already build the wonder before you rushed the building, but the message telling you this appeared later in the same turn.

Note that a world wonder is always finished by the AI in the turn preceding the turn that you get the message: "you cannot keep building the insert wonder name". You first get a message at the start of the turn where it says that said wonder has been completed by a certain civilization and you're not forced to stop the wonder construction in that turn. However if you do continue to build the wonder, then you will certainly get the message "you cannot keep building the insert wonder name" at the start of the next turn.

So in this case you used the great engineer while the wonder was already fully build by someone else. You can look it up in the turn log and see that the wonder was already finished the turn before. You can also load the game of the turn in which you used the great engineer and check the turn log and you'll find the message that the wonder had already finished.