Good times last night in the chat, and lots of follow-up talk. Let's keep it rolling.

Here's a map of the HRE: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/HRE_11Jh.PNG

So... cities... I dunno... it seems to me like Germany already has the important cities seen on that map, and even some not so important ones. Plus anything that the HRE does take will just feel like it belongs to Germany anyway.

So... how is Firaxis going to swing this? What cities can we expect to see for the HRE?

Regensburg, Colonia ( with the latin form ),...

Aachen, Mainz, Luxembourg, Prague, Vienna, Danzig, Wittenberg :D, Basel, Bern, Brussels...

Yeah, that seems the most likely:

They will use unimportant German cities and cities from Belgium, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Austria and Czechia (and Italy?). All of those being countries that have not been included into civ4 and thus are free for use. But that doesn't change that Vienna is still Austrian, Prague Czech and Basel and Bern Swiss cities.

Of course, I wouldn't mind seeing Basel being included. It's my home and it has been really big during the Middle Ages, but nevertheless, I consider myself Swiss (or European), and not Holy Roman Empirer... (or whatever ;)).

Aachen will in e the Capital of this new civilization. I think there are still some other good city names to be used. Also, they may be able to use some older city names for contemporary cities.

Aachen, what else. :P

There are none ;) there are no older city names for contemporary cities (as we speak the same language)

Yeah, but latin or latinized forms may be there....

Aachen, Mainz, Luxembourg, Prague, Vienna, Danzig, Wittenberg :D, Basel, Bern, Brussels...

Aachen, Mainz, and Witternberg are all German.

Danzig was never part of the HRE, but it was part of Prussia. Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danzig#Modern_age

Really, all see with the HRE is a way of including Belgium, Switzerland, Czech Republic, and Austria with one Civ. Because the only cities it could have over the Prussians/Germans are the ones belonging to those countries.

Yeah, Danzig as part of HRE, why not New York? :D

It seems very strange to me that thay adde HRE in epic game... it's like adding Gauls and France....

It's like adding Manchuria with China, It's like adding British Commonwealth with England, Heck it's like adding Britain with england.

Italy deserves to be in more then Holy roman empire even though there at the same situation.

Yeah, Danzig as part of HRE, why not New York? :D

It seems very strange to me that thay adde HRE in epic game... it's like adding Gauls and France....

:lol: Except that they did that already, as the Gauls were just the Celts living in France.

I will probably be the individual names were each states that were in the alliance like Octavius has listed (theres more than 40 of them I think; Europa Universalis III)

The franks deserve to be in the next expansion!

And Vichy France too... :p

I'm going to start a petition to add Liechtenstein in the next expansion of Civilization.

Don't foreget Quebec!

We might aswell put in Canada Aswell!

Next is Australia then New Zealand

Let's keep on putting in useless civs till we get to the Soviet union!

C'mon.... Even the Assasins would be before the USSR ( as a civ ) :lol:

FIJI NEEDS TO BE IN.

Even though by then polynesia would be in already

And then there's hawaii!

UB: Tourist Hotel! WOOT!

Yeah, Danzig as part of HRE, why not New York? :D


That one was a play on the fact that the HRE controlled parts of Poland. :D I knew it'd get somebody's attention.

Off topic overload :nuke:

You forgot Tuvalu ( special feature: Internet gives 500 GPT ( .tv domains)) :lol:

That one was a play on the fact that the HRE controlled parts of Poland. :D I knew it'd get somebody's attention.

Yes they controlled Prussia and the neighboring areas.

How yuou delete replies?

See Rome, or mod (see Poland)

here, more useless civs:

- San Marino
- Monaco
- Bhutan
- South Vietnam
- Huns
- Firaxians.

There are none ;) there are no older city names for contemporary cities (as we speak the same language)

:P False. And the first is the capital city itself: Charlemagne's Aachen was probably named Aquisgranum.

but that's just the latin name. As far as I know, the Franks didn't speak latin. And it certainly went out of fashion rather soon later on when the HRE existed to be replaced by French or German names... ;) and you see these are the sames..

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Everbody thinks Aachen should be capital, but actually most of the time, the Emperoer didnt have a throne , he moved around in the Empire.
Later the capital was Wien , when Habsburg ruled the empire.
Frankfurt could als be the capital, because the Reichstag took place there
If u ask me (and i studied the history of the HRE^^) Quedlingburg should be at least in the list. That city was some kind of capital, because the Ottones used to celebrate Eastern there(the most important religious holiday ).
If Quedlinburg is not in the list it would reaveal Firefaxis lack of Knowledge :P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quedlinburg

but that's just the latin name. As far as I know, the Franks didn't speak latin. And it certainly went out of fashion rather soon later on when the HRE existed to be replaced by French or German names... ;) and you see these are the sames..

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The official language of the HRE was Latin (of course only the educated spoke it) so Latin or Latinized city names would work

Everbody thinks Aachen should be capital, but actually most of the time, the Emperoer didnt have a throne , he moved around in the Empire.
Later the capital was Wien , when Habsburg ruled the empire.
Frankfurt could als be the capital, because the Reichstag took place there
If u ask me (and i studied the history of the HRE^^) Quedlingburg should be at least in the list. That city was some kind of capital, because the Ottones used to celebrate Eastern there(the most important religious holiday ).
If Quedlinburg is not in the list it would reaveal Firefaxis lack of Knowledge :P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quedlinburg

The Reichstag took place in many cities and not that often in Frankfurt. The election for King was held there, though.

However the "capital" for the HRE was usually the city the emperor liked most and where he liked to stay or hold the Reichstag. For Charlemagne this was Aachen.

The Reichstag took place in many cities and not that often in Frankfurt. The election for King was held there, though.

However the "capital" for the HRE was usually the city the emperor liked most and where he liked to stay or hold the Reichstag. For Charlemagne this was Aachen.
I just wanted to point out, that there are some fact against Aachen as Capital.
BTW Speyer, Worms and Köln should also be in it
(or their Latin transcriptions).

later on (1663 to 1806) Regensburg was very important, too (permanent seat of the Reichstag of the Holy Roman Empire)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regensburg
but i also think Aachen should be the capital of the HRE in BtS.

Aachen, Mainz, Luxembourg, Prague, Vienna, Danzig, Wittenberg :D, Basel, Bern, Brussels...

wait wait with this Danzig. It was not in HRE. It is a hanzeatic city, for longest time with Poland.

wait wait with this Danzig. It was not in HRE. It is a hanzeatic city, for longest time with Poland.

Somebody already said this ;)

People...

Danzig was a joke! It was to give the "Poland's not in?!!" crowd something to laugh at. ;) That way, Poland would be in... sort of. :D

I second Worms as a city.

HRE is the most stupid Civ choice ever, makes problems with French, Dutch and German cities, overlaps territory too much and so on.

Poland-Lithuania could be a good card.

HRE is the most stupid Civ choice ever, makes problems with French, Dutch and German cities, overlaps territory too much and so on.

+Swiss,Belgian,Italian,...

Aachen, what else. :P

Which I will promptly rename My Aachen Bach

+Swiss,Belgian,Italian,...

Bohemian, Moravian, Austrian, Liechtensteiner, Schleswiggly, Pomeranian and the mighty Luxemburgers.

I do hope they have Worms as one of the city choices. I always thought the Diet of Worms was a rather alarming historical entry.

I was born close to Gdańsk (Danzig in German) and this suggestion that it would be included in HRE city list astonished me as it was Polish for most of the time.
I don't know how to solve that problem of HRE city list - it's really ridiculous idea to put HRE in, we'll see how they solved that problem...

I second Worms as a city.

Yeah, that way you could say "I went to war with HRE and all I got was worms." :p

here, more useless civs:

- San Marino
- Monaco
- Bhutan
- South Vietnam
- Huns
- Firaxians.

I dont know how you can call the huns useless. They have founded several empires and not just small ones. Look at the maps:

The Eastern Huns (http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/2950/hunlar16md.jpg)

The White Huns (The Ak Huns) (http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/btn_GeographyMaps/AD%20300%20Center%20Huns%201.gif)

The European Huns (http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/btn_GeographyMaps/AD%20453%20Western%20Hun%20Empire.gif)

I dont know how you can call the huns useless. They have founded several empires and not just small ones. Look at the maps:

i didn't mean they were useless. just meant they would've been as bad or worse of a choice than the Holy Roman Empire, sorry for the misunderstanding.

and i know the extent of the Xiongnu empire, studied it a while ago. pretty big, tohugh cant be beat by the Mongols.

The franks deserve to be in the next expansion!

Anglo-Saxon England and the British Empire for next expansion. Let's have Rus too. Oh, lets not be biased towards Europeans, so we can have the Tang, the Han, the Sui and the Ming as well. Forget all the civs not currently represented, let's add more versions of already present civs! :lol: