http://www.endingstereotypesforamerica.org/african_history.html

http://www.pbs.org/wonders/index.html
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/africa/africasbook.html
http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/ancientafrica.html

Many of us really dont know about africa which cause many to develop stereotypes

I was looking around and found this interesting site.

Winners write history, since History's great winners were the White Europeans they wrote opposition out of history, especially the civilisations they themselves destroyed, many of whom were democracies at the time...

Thanks for this... I haven't looked at the sites yet, but I agree that many people don't know about African culture and history and as a result they end up developing a lot of negative stereotypes about Africa... Europe's "scramble for Africa" where they colonized nearly the entire continent was based on the perception that Africa was uncivilized and had no culture of its own, but Africa has some of the oldest cultures in the world, and with wonders like the pyramids and the sphinx, it's ridiculous to argue that Africa has no culture...

Nubia was an awesome Civilization, BUT i think it'll be overlooked because it shared quite a bit of cultural ideas w/Egypt. So if i had to pick i would pick Ethiopia/Askum

i'll still pick the Nubians because they're awesome

hmm... Nubia/Kush/Egypt is really the only civilization purely african in there besides the sudanese empires such as mali, ghana ect. By that terms i guess you could count swahili culture but even then it wasn't purely african. The problem is that people say "oh we mistreated the africans, lets blame the white man." While the atrocities were horrible by the western europeans, african culture was inherently foreign beginning right after the fall of the roman emporor with the spread of islam. Africa has always been a center of cultural diffussion - it is very hard to say what is inherently african. Even now egypt and the surrounding area is considered part of hte middle east. When the western europeans came, they intensified, BUT DID NOT START cultural diffusion and changing writtin history - just moved from islam/indian trae to western trade and later production

Hmm... As long as it will be Eastern Africa that will be populated, I would both be satisfied with Nubia and Ethiopia.

If they added Ghana... Well... I don't know :(

Hope it's Ethiopia, that also reflects some more 'modern' Africa (Medieval instead of Ancient, that is). Many Europeans describe the Medieval African states as minor compared to the European but many could compete with the European countries.

I would like the Congo kingdom or Ethiopia....

Thanks for this... I haven't looked at the sites yet, but I agree that many people don't know about African culture and history and as a result they end up developing a lot of negative stereotypes about Africa... Europe's "scramble for Africa" where they colonized nearly the entire continent was based on the perception that Africa was uncivilized and had no culture of its own, but Africa has some of the oldest cultures in the world, and with wonders like the pyramids and the sphinx, it's ridiculous to argue that Africa has no culture...

By modern reckoning, Egypt lies in Africa, but the ancients regarded it as part of Asia. Today, it is more part of the Middle East than of black Africa, which the Egyptians themselves are the first to point out. This is not to deny African cuktural achievements, but the fixation on the pyramids can be downright hurtful to attempts to point out black Afrcan achievements.

Winners write history, since History's great winners were the White Europeans they wrote opposition out of history, especially the civilisations they themselves destroyed, many of whom were democracies at the time...



LOL thats funny, History's Great winners were the white europeans

care to explain what you mean :P

By modern reckoning, Egypt lies in Africa, but the ancients regarded it as part of Asia. Today, it is more part of the Middle East than of black Africa, which the Egyptians themselves are the first to point out. This is not to deny African cuktural achievements, but the fixation on the pyramids can be downright hurtful to attempts to point out black Afrcan achievements.

Nope Egypt since ancient times were black Africans

But today, Eygpt is the middle easterners Hollywood

so alot of them go to eygpt.

Thats why you'll here people call it the "Republic Of Egypt"


Not to mention the Nubians held eygpt For 25 Dynasty's'

In that time Nubian start pyramid Building.

Ever seen Ramesses II ( the real one, not the CivIV impersonator)? Tall ,blond and not black. Not saying that all the Egyptians were tall and blond, but atleast that one was...

Ever seen Ramesses II ( the real one, not the CivIV impersonator)? Tall ,blond and not black. Not saying that all the Egyptians were tall and blond, but atleast that one was...

Show me a picture.

All the other personations and history Channels tell different.


Then again i wouldnt be surprised they did say his family were serfs and he worked his way up. And Eygptians did have White slaves so then again i wouldnt be suprised.


But i would like to know where you heard this from -_-


Then again ive seen africans with Brownish Blond here alot actually so i wouldnt suprised.

Our only hair color isnt black you know.

A photo of his mummy ( did I wrote it correctly?):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/50/RAMmummy.jpg
There's still hair attached to his head as you can see.

A photo of his mummy ( did I wrote it correctly?):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/50/RAMmummy.jpg
There's still hair attached to his head as you can see.



But he was and african though


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I was not saying that he wasn't african ( african =/= black ), just not negroid. Unfortunately, the mummifying process does not allow to preserve the skin colour ( the process is simillar to the leather making ), but IMHO ( I'm not antrophologist, so take my opinion with a grain of salt ;) ) his facial bone structure and his hair point to a non negroid o.rigin

I was not saying that he wasn't african ( african =/= black ), just not negroid. Unfortunately, the mummifying process does not allow to preserve the skin colour ( the process is simillar to the leather making ), but IMHO ( I'm not antrophologist, so take my opinion with a grain of salt ;) ) his facial bone structure and his hair point to a non negroid o.rigin

True

I DId find out Eygpt did go around trading for slave wives in diffrent country so may he could be part black and something else. It does make since

Because its said his father had different wifes from asia and Europe. :D

Thanks for the pick

All the other picks you couldnt see his hair though.

well kush and Nubia are the same kingdom just different time periods but egypt was a different Civilization

well kush and Nubia are the same kingdom just different time periods but egypt was a different Civilization

True

Mostly Nubia decent

alright GTG guys

I just wanted to post stuff that could give you guys insight on african history

from very known Historians so its not . .. .. .. .. .. .. .. ..

the claim that Egyptians were mostly black is as wrong as the claim that Egyptians were mostly white.

that claim about the black Egyptians was just made up by African Americans trying to prove that they were better than whites in history (now we know they did they some good civilizations like Mali, Congo, and Ethiopia).

in my opinion, however, the Egyptians were a mix of black, midle eastern, and white peoples, and one of the first "melting pots" of the world.

some Egyptian leaders, on tombs, do look suggestively "black-ish". others look suggestively "white-ish".

Most was from Nubian decent

if you guys are wonder

Im from england

Im just trying to give these people some credit

To say there was a white Pharoah is foolish Unless you talking about Cleopatric from greece i think she was the only Greek Eygptain Pharaoah known.

not alot, but a decent amount.

there is a book out there, very good book, written about twenty years ago... its called "Black spark, White fire", and tries to disprove the theory that all Egyptians were white.

not all Egyptians were of Nubian descent, but i am convinced that there is a possibility that Egyptian civilization could've originated from Nubia. currently there is not that much evidence to back the claim up, but there is enough to say that something is a bit funny when you find complicated crafts and tools with complex pictures in Nubia, while you find bunch of random useless pots in Egypt (dating to c. 4000 BCE).

not alot, but a decent amount.

there is a book out there, very good book, written about twenty years ago... its called "Black spark, White fire", and tries to disprove the theory that all Egyptians were white.

not all Egyptians were of Nubian descent, but i am convinced that there is a possibility that Egyptian civilization could've originated from Nubia. currently there is not that much evidence to back the claim up, but there is enough to say that something is a bit funny when you find complicated crafts and tools with complex pictures in Nubia, while you find bunch of random useless pots in Egypt (dating to c. 4000 BCE).

Sweet where can find this book?


Well im just saying though every time you Put Eygpt and Africa in the same sentence there is alot of Debate lol.


Yeah but the pots are problably from trade roots who knows but i am convinced that it is mostly Nubian. They did conquer Eygpt and out put is culture more.

But anyway is there a link if this is a good book ill probrably get it.

My vote for an African civ would have to be Ethiopia.
A long history that also streches into the colonial period where it was not colonized.
It would count as Aksum, D'mit and Ethiopia as well. A fine pick, would be much better than the Zulu.
I am expecting it, because it would fit the pattern, one "black" (not Carthage, Arabia, Ottomans or Egypt) African civ. Vanilla: Mali. Warlords: Zulu. Beyond the sword: Ethiopia.

Maybe they could add Benin that would be sweet.

Would be cool, but is too west-African I think. It would be just south of Mali.
I'd choose Songhai over it though..to stir up a little conflict and make a little excitement playing as Mali (or Songhai)

Sweet where can find this book?

i found it at a local library years ago when i was a middle schooler... when i was more open minded and historically minded than my peers...

actually, the book goes as far to claim that the Middle Kingdom of Egypt (which the Egyptians regarded later as their greatest era) sent armies into the Levant, the Middle East, and even possibly as far as the Crimea. this would be very contreversial, and i myself remain doubtful of it, and there are other weird things here and there, but i think the book in general is pretty decent.

heres a link it on Amazon (you can probably find it elsewhere, maybe even in your library:

http://www.amazon.com/Black-Spark-White-Fire-Explorers/dp/0761521631/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-5493579-7069259?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1182110626&sr=1-1


Yeah but the pots are problably from trade roots who knows but i am convinced that it is mostly Nubian. They did conquer Eygpt and out put is culture more.

actually a lot of pots from the north came from the Middle East, i.e. Palestine and possibly Sumer. in Pre-dynastic Egypt itself, there were two distinct sub-cultures, North and South (much like the American north and south); in my opinion, the north was more middle-eastern-like, and the south was more nubian-like.

the Nubian conquest of Egypt, however, was much much later in Egyptian history, around 700 BC, when Egypt was in anarchy and no longer a world power. the Nubians, as sorta like "neo-conservatives", but much beter, helped bring Egypt up after its decline, and improved many things, until they got kicked out by the Assyrians.

i realized that Nubia might have a chance because Firaxis didnt care how closely related the HRE and other civs were related

and, as i said a few times before, Nubia was in RoN. :)

i found it at a local library years ago when i was a middle schooler... when i was more open minded and historically minded than my peers...

actually, the book goes as far to claim that the Middle Kingdom of Egypt (which the Egyptians regarded later as their greatest era) sent armies into the Levant, the Middle East, and even possibly as far as the Crimea. this would be very contreversial, and i myself remain doubtful of it, and there are other weird things here and there, but i think the book in general is pretty decent.

heres a link it on Amazon (you can probably find it elsewhere, maybe even in your library:

http://www.amazon.com/Black-Spark-White-Fire-Explorers/dp/0761521631/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-5493579-7069259?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1182110626&sr=1-1




actually a lot of pots from the north came from the Middle East, i.e. Palestine and possibly Sumer. in Pre-dynastic Egypt itself, there were two distinct sub-cultures, North and South (much like the American north and south); in my opinion, the north was more middle-eastern-like, and the south was more nubian-like.

the Nubian conquest of Egypt, however, was much much later in Egyptian history, around 700 BC, when Egypt was in anarchy and no longer a world power. the Nubians, as sorta like "neo-conservatives", but much beter, helped bring Egypt up after its decline, and improved many things, until they got kicked out by the Assyrians.


Ill be sure to pick it up mate

thanks for the link










also



Id like to see Ethiopia.