Yeehee the official site is up!!!!!
Including all leaderheads and unit movies
http://www.2kgames.com/civ4/beyondthesword/

nice, thanks for the info...

Interesting music...

Nice pics and info on the scenarios.

Darius must be the coolest leaderhead ever! He looks like an alien.

Glad to see the rest of the leaderheads.

Interesting music...

I hope that isn't the main menu music...

Apparently Darius is a black guy...and justinian is an old woman...gilgamesh is also a black guy...

No new maps. It's too bad. I'm so boring with new leaders. nothings special.

The scenario list is interesting: It looks like Chaos and Superobo are gone and there is a strange sounding 'Civ Defense' instead.

Also is the music supposed to be the title screen music? I'm kind of mixed on it.

Cool Leaderheads, but some are quite surprising....

Well in the civilopedia apparently Charlemagne founded the HRE and Otto didn't.

The description for Next War sounds interesting: Apparently you can play it straight as a scenario or you can play it as a standard Civ game with all of the future units added to the tech tree. That will make some people happy.

I hope that isn't the main menu music...

Apparently Darius is a black guy...and justinian is an old woman...gilgamesh is also a black guy...

Darius was a bit disappointing looking... he needs to do a few pushups. I am postive that they copied the Justinian artwork from a well-known mosaic, right down to the oversized crown.

Willem van Orange looks a bit irritated. Hopefully he will not looked that way all the time.

I am postive that they copied the Justinian artwork from a well-known mosaic, right down to the oversized crown.

Jay, Justinian looks great. I would've recognized the leaderhead immediately. He also has this annoyed expression on his face, looks like he won't be a good neighbour.
But Charlemagne looks a bit too, umm, Italian ? Slavic ? Idon't know, but his hair and skin look are too dark.

Good news for some. Poland is in fact part of the WWII scenario. :D

hey, can someone post some pics? i cant get into the darn website for some reason.

:run: I can't wait for DOWNLOADS link to open! wanna play the demo!! :run:

Demo???

Whoa!

I am a little disappointed with the crossroads scenario. I was expecting something big and a war scenario between the ottomans, timurids, burji mamluks, etc. It looks a little weak IMO.

hey, can someone post some pics? i cant get into the darn website for some reason.

Site opens fine for me. Did you try going to the site manually, as opposed to opening with the link? Tried to figure out a way to get some pics in, but all leaderheads are videos, not pics.

I don't like the sound of that Civ Defense much... :o

Site opens fine for me. Did you try going to the site manually, as opposed to opening with the link? Tried to figure out a way to get some pics in, but all leaderheads are videos, not pics.

hmm... must be a problem with the video player or something... darn...

Looks like we are not getting any more city specific graphics, because in the crossroads scenario the cities in yemen are east asian.

The scenario list is interesting: It looks like Chaos and Superobo are gone and there is a strange sounding 'Civ Defense' instead.

Why no Chaos and Superrobo? Chaos sounded really cool!

But where are Justinian's eyebrows?

Did you check out Darius I? He looks a bit ugly, like a monkey.

Interesting... In the scenario screenshots they have screens of the main menus for most of the scenarios. Besides the normal 'Play Now!' and 'Load Game' options there an option called 'Beyond the Sword Content'.

I wonder what it means?

I rather like the new leaderheads. Sure, some of them look a bit strange, but how do WE know that's not hwo they really looked? I commend Firaxis on these - some of them had to be build almost from scratch. It's not easy trying to create a whole new face.

Interesting... In the scenario screenshots they have screens of the main menus for most of the scenarios. Besides the normal 'Play Now!' and 'Load Game' options there an option called 'Beyond the Sword Content'.

I wonder what it means?

Thats where you load the scenarios that come with bts.

Did you check out Darius I? He looks a bit ugly, like a monkey.

well he is iranian.

Warned - trolling.

Joao II looks awesome! Haha, I can't wait to play him now. Must be the hat! ;)

Did you check out Darius I? He looks a bit ugly, like a monkey.

He looks a bit like Hammurabi in Civ III.

Oh man, I can´t stand it anymore... I´m quite resistant to the usual "pre-release-hype" normally, but this is going to be one of the best expansions ever :) . I think I´ll play it until 2050... Firaxis has won :king: .

GREAT INFO!!!

i don't like the justinian leaderhead, it is bad made :S

hey, can someone post some pics? i cant get into the darn website for some reason.

Here you go buddy:
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/6559/btsleadersdd3.th.jpg (http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=btsleadersdd3.jpg)
They are, from left to right, top to bottom: Boudica, Charlemagne, Darius, Charles de Gaulle, Gilgamesh, Hammurabi, Justinian, João II, Abraham Lincoln, Pacal II, Pericles, Sitting Bull, Suleiman the Magnificent, Suryavarman II, William of Orange, Zara Yaqob.

Jeepers ....I wouldn't like to meet up with Suryavarman in a dark alley !

What are those unit icons on the "Road to War" scenario screenies?

This is waay to much complaining. This that too ugly, why is he angry, why did they get rid of this, what is this. God can you people ever be satisfied? Personally I like how things are going and could not ask for a better well perhaps a little better but stop complaining so much. If you don't like the game don't buy it.

thanks for the pics. :D

some of them look happily ugly. :)

This is waay to much complaining. This that too ugly, why is he angry, why did they get rid of this, what is this. God can you people ever be satisfied? Personally I like how things are going and could not ask for a better well mabey a little better but stop complaining so much

I may never be satisfied.:)

As a consumer its our job to complain so we can get what we want, we're paying for it and if you just sit back and take it you're not going to necessarily get what you want. Even if what we complain about doesn't get fixed at least maybe firaxis will realize this and work to change and work off their mistakes.

If the BtS project's goal is making extra profit that I believe it should be. Then Poland and other civs would be added regardless in order to grab the largest market. The addition of HRE is an anomaly in both the historical section and normal business protocol. I don't care for how the leaders look and any other problems can be brushed aside. (I don't know what I gust said either)

Charles De Gaulle looks to me like Peter Sellers playing Inspector Clouseau...

CDG:-"Ho-Ho now I have a beurm"...........
Me:-"You mean a bomb"
CBG:-"That is what I said"
Me:-"No you said a beurm"

And so on...........

"As a consumer its our job to complain so we can get what we want"

This is a common statement that falsely glorifies one's role as a consumer by analogizing it to a "job". :rolleyes: At best, you mean "As a consumer its our ROLE to complain so we can get what we want."

Someone could still pick nits with that statement and say that your role as a consumer is "speak" by buying what you want and not buying what you don't want.

They made a mistake!

Constantinople fell in 1453 not 1461!

Other than that gd site, (althiygh the music is annoying, i hope it's different for the actual pack).

The description for Next War sounds interesting: Apparently you can play it straight as a scenario or you can play it as a standard Civ game with all of the future units added to the tech tree. That will make some people happy.

Like me. :) That's the scenario I was looking forward to the most, and now that I know I can incorporate it into the main game with little or no effort on my part I'm pretty excited about it.

I'm also kind of liking the sound of Gods of Old.

Civ Defense gets a "Meh." from me. As silly as it sounded, I'd rather have Superrobo (or whatever it was called), because at least there was a possibility of salvaging stuff from it to use in other mods.

Anyone find the face of Justinian really sinister?

Here you go buddy:
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/6559/btsleadersdd3.th.jpg (http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=btsleadersdd3.jpg)
They are, from left to right, top to bottom: Boudica, Charlemagne, Darius, Charles de Gaulle, Gilgamesh, Hammurabi, Justinian, João II, Abraham Lincoln, Pacal II, Pericles, Sitting Bull, Suleiman the Magnificent, Suryavarman II, William of Orange, Zara Yaqob.

I can just imagine them:
Boudica - "50$ an hour"
Charlemagne - he's ok
Darius - "tc...I have taxi...tc...it's cheap...tc...need I ride...tc...give a tip...tc"
Charles de Gaulle - is it me or does he look gay?
Gilgamesh - bonecrusher
Hammurabi - he's ok
Justinian - dieing from malaria
João II - he's ok
Abraham Lincoln - "Girl, I wanna take you to a gay bar..."
Pacal II - maturity will come soon
Pericles - he's ok
Sitting Bull - looks like he's on crack
Suleiman the Magnificent - he's ok, although he does look a little bloodthirsty
Suryavarman II - he comes in peace
William of Orange - he's not evil!
Zara Yaqob - he's ok

TBH though - I love them all!

Anyone find the face of Justinian really sinister?

Yeah, He looks like Alexander with a hat on actually.

Pacal II looks a little more pacifist than I thought he would too.

Also, Charles De Gaulle was PRESIDENT of France, not Prime Minister, you can only have a Prime Minister if you have a king, which the French are not so fond of.

And yea, Justinian looks weird and boney in that leaderhead. WHy is the crown bigger than his head?

Dnomal you are wrong concerning if you think a Prime Minister can only go hand in hand with a King. For example, Italia has a Prime Minister (Romano Prodi) and a President (Giorgio Napolitano), and NO King.

Am I the only one who thought that Gilgamesh looked like a lion?

Dnomal you are wrong concerning if you think a Prime Minister can only go hand in hand with a King. For example, Italia has a Prime Minister (Romano Prodi) and a President (Giorgio Napolitano), and NO King.

I stand corrected, i thought there was just a President in Italy.

But De Gaulle was still President not PM. Also it says Darius was Emperor in the "first century", Persia was long since dead (Acheamid Persia of course.)

I think it's pretty obvious in reading their history of the HRE that they are saying it was not a "civilization" according many definitions, and that this is just a game so enjoy!

Another clue to their thinking along these lines: read the beginning of the Native American civ. They readily admit it is a hypothetical civilization had the various tribes united (not that they ever would have ... just an alternative line of history).

I really think all you posters who complain about this stuff should feel silly after reading this.

Am I the only one who thought that Gilgamesh looked like a lion?

No, I see it too.

A shame that Boudica's hair disappears into her body when she bows her head.

I am intrigued by the Gods of Old scenario too. I usually don't even try the scenarios more than once, but I might find this one interesting.

Boudica's anim looks so hot!

Am I the only one who thought that Gilgamesh looked like a lion?

didn't the Mesopotamians have something to do with lions or worshipping them...


Charles De Gaulle looks to me like Peter Sellers playing Inspector Clouseau...

CDG:-"Ho-Ho now I have a beurm"...........
Me:-"You mean a bomb"
CBG:-"That is what I said"
Me:-"No you said a beurm"

And so on...........

if they have Pink Panther quotes for De Gaulle, then i won't hate his addition anymore and he'll be my new favorite leader. :D


Boudica's anim looks so hot!

no, she looks like a pretty bad seductress. :)

Geebo just noticed your location is Bronx, NY. Same here.

Dnomal you are wrong concerning if you think a Prime Minister can only go hand in hand with a King. For example, Italia has a Prime Minister (Romano Prodi) and a President (Giorgio Napolitano), and NO King.

Is it just me or is Survivorman II flipping us off? Bah!

Gilgamesh looks really wicked! I like it.

Pacal II looks like an insane child Chucky doll. Scary!!

Every time I see Darius I laugh. It's a great leaderhead, but he just looks silly :lol:

Is it just me, or are there similarities between the leaderhead model for De Gaulle and the model for Roosevelt?

The unit graphic for the privateer looks good, but I'm a little disappointed with the ship of the line. It looks like they just scaled up the frigate.

didn't the Mesopotamians have something to do with lions or worshipping them...


I dunno, I've read the Epic of Gilgamesh some years ago and I don't remember any lions in the Pantheon.
But I've heard about the Lion of Babylon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_of_Babylon_tank).

Am I the only one who thought that Gilgamesh looked like a lion?

Nope. Thats all I see when I look at him.

Justinian appears to be lost in thoughts...with that blank stare of his...

The crown feels a bit flat, but this is still impressive consider that they made this based on Mosaic tiles.

Gods of Old looks like it might have the most interesting game play differences.
I'm not sure if I'm happy that it extends into the modern eras or not.

Late game with new religious model could be good, but a Mesopotamian religions could be good if limited to the ancient era like The Ancient Mediterranian Mod.

If nothing else, the religious model can be a base for modders.

They made a mistake!

Constantinople fell in 1453 not 1461!


The last remnants of the empire held until 1461. At least Trebizonda did. They must have confused the dates.

I'm not sure but to me the picture of De Gaulle looks a lot different from the BtS one perhaps the BtS one was just a bit too pink
http://www.feri.org/images/photos2/news/DeGaulle__Charles.jpg

Pacal II looks like an insane child Chucky doll. Scary!!

:rotfl::rotfl:

Geebo just noticed your location is Bronx, NY. Same here.

nice, NYHunter, Bronxites Unite! You think BTS will be in stores on the 23rd? From past experiences(with Civ games/expansions) it seems that everyone, even the pre-ordered ones won't arrive/receive the game tell the 24th.

De Gaulle was both Prime Minister and President. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle

Joao looks like a pretty boy. I like all of them except for Justinian, who looks like a nervous bachelor, and Charlemagne, who looks like a fragile old man. Hammurabi is the best. He looks so badass.

Is it just me, or are there similarities between the leaderhead model for De Gaulle and the model for Roosevelt?

There sure seems too. Furthermore, he uses Bismarck's animations.

There sure seems too. Furthermore, he uses Bismarck's animations.

I noticed that too. I find it a bit ironic - these two would certainly have gotten along well and be the best buddies there ever were :D .

De Gaulle was both Prime Minister and President. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle

Joao looks like a pretty boy. I like all of them except for Justinian, who looks like a nervous bachelor, and Charlemagne, who looks like a fragile old man. Hammurabi is the best. He looks so badass.

Joao struk me as very pimped out. I love the huge ass jewel on his hat lol.

What are those unit buttons on the "Road to War" WW2 scenario screenies?

Darius reminds me of a mummy
I like the pics of Justinian and Jao, what's with civ and big hats on the portuguese?
De Gaule looks a little goofy
Sulieman looks like he has redeye
and Giglemesh... um.... he is just so wierd I have no idea what to say.
And Hammurabi looked better last civ.

lmao was that Uranium or Tiberium behind the Landsknecht Unit clip :P

yah i was wondering to ;)

I hope Sitting Bull is going to be addressed before they release this... he has some issues with his headdress and his hair passing through each other.

Congratulations João II, you have the best hat.

Congratulations João II, you have the best hat.

Certainly the largest hat anyway...

Nah i love his hat.. Very cool.

I think I'll be putting him in charge of the Vikings, renaming them the Swedes and renaming him Gustav Adolph.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/117002/Portrait_gustavus.gif

Not quite the same, but they have the same feel.

It's confirmed. Firaxis really sucks in History. A whole biography on Charlemagne without mentionning the Franks and the Treaty of Verdun.

Apparently, Otto is supposed to have reunited the whole Carolingian Empire. Hmmm... interesting news. It seems that the whole Western part of Charlemagne's Empire has simply never existed according to Firaxis ! This is especially funny considering the Western part of Charlemagne's empire is mostly what he had actually inherited from Pippin.

Let's make of Napoleon the ruler of the Holy Roman Empire... after all, he conqueered it too. Furthermore, he had also been crowned Emperor in Rome !

My reactions to the Leader Heads.

Boudica: Oh yeah. That exaggerated yawn isn't implying anything at all ;)
Charlamagne: Lets see. Unusually tanned skin, bright blue eyes. Yep, this guy is definitely a tourist.
Darius: Kinda looks like Whoopi Goldberg, actually. Could definitely see him playing in Sister Act 3.
De Gaulle: "Roosevelt! For the last time, stay out of my wardrobe!"
Gilgamesh: I would say something sarcastic about ole Gil', but I'm afraid he'd eat my children if I did. I don't even have children!
Hammurabi: Is that one of the Kremlin's tower spires on his head?!? That's scary.
Justinian: Anyone else noticed how little he moves? It's almost like he's spaced out.
Joao: Looks like a pimp. I'd love to see this guy sing "Ridin' Dirty":lol:
Lincoln: Does his head seem bloated above the brow?
Pacal: I'm surprised he isn't wearing a candy-necklace what with how young he looks.
Perciles: Relax, relax! Don't get your Hoplites in a tizzy!
Sitting Bull: His headress passes right through him. Thank you, Ghost Dance!
Suleiman: Ben Stein needs to hook this guy up with some Clear Eyes.
Suryavarman II: And the word of the day is jaundice!
Willem van Oranje: I guess somebody woke up on the wet side of the dike, again.
Zara Yaqob: I wonder if he "Tanqueray's".

:joke:
Having said this, I love every one of the new leader heads. Darius, despite his appearance, really captures the esence of Persia. In fact, all of the LHs seem to greatly represent their culture. Some look really awesome, too (Gilgamesh, Joao, ect). This just makes me want BTS all the more.

Come.............on...............July............ ..10th.............

I just checked out the Official Site can't wait until BTS comes out even though Suryavarman II looks like an alien to me lol.

did you read the carrack civilopedia?

a carrack is four masted...

*look at the image...
-no they didn't dare?
*look at the civilopedia
"a carrack is a four masted vessel"
*look at the unit
*count the number of mast
-One...
-Two...
-...

They made a two masted carrack!!!!

And you made a one-r'd and c'd carrack.

Not to say that it's a glaring mistake with the masts.

the new side is up :eek:

And you made a one-r'd and c'd carrack.

Not to say that it's a glaring mistake with the masts.

sorry for my poor english, but what does r'd and c'd means?

sorry for my poor english, but what does r'd and c'd means?

He was pointing out that you misspelled carrack.

And speaking of unusual unit button art <g>, did anyone notice the unusual unit buttons on the screen shots of the WW2:Road to War scenario? What are they?

sorry for my poor english, but what does r'd and c'd means?

Sorry for my adherence to proper English, but what does "r'd" and "c'd" mean?

;)

He was pointing out that you misspelled carrack.

No,no. I didn't

(Thanks to the EDIT buttons! :lol: )

The music is growing on me...

The music is growing on me...

Well thats one of us...

I think its worse than warlords music if that says anything.

... And speaking of unusual unit button art <g>, did anyone notice the unusual unit buttons on the screen shots of the WW2:Road to War scenario? What are they?

Many table-top wargames enthusiasts will recognize them as modelled on the graphics used for unit counters - IIRC the original Axis & Allies board game used such symbols for units, and Squad Leader did too. Did the table-top games borrow these unit symbols from history? I'm not sure :( I guess Firaxis used them to bestow a more familiar WWII "feel" to the game for wargamers who play that scenerio?

I think its worse than warlords music if that says anything.

here here!

I just checked out the Official Site can't wait until BTS comes out even though Suryavarman II looks like an alien to me lol.

:lol: I was thinking that. For some reason, he reminds me of ET.

And speaking of unusual unit button art <g>, did anyone notice the unusual unit buttons on the screen shots of the WW2:Road to War scenario? What are they?

If you're talking about what I think you're talking about (the little symbol like a box with an 'X' in it) those are standard symbols used by NATO militaries to indicate unit type. The 'X' is infantry, a single '/' from corner to corner is cavalry, an oval in the center of the box is armor, an oval with an 'X' is mechanized infantry, a box with a dot in the center is artillery, and so on.

The three little gold whatsits above the main symbol indicate the size of the unit. Unfortunately, I can't tell from the screenshots whether the whatsits are three 'I's which would make the units regiments, or three 'X's which would make them corps. They might even be three dots, which would be company-sized, but that seems too small scale. Or they could just be there to look pretty. :crazyeye:

The scenario list is interesting: It looks like Chaos and Superobo are gone and there is a strange sounding 'Civ Defense' instead.

Also is the music supposed to be the title screen music? I'm kind of mixed on it.

Why no Chaos and Superrobo? Chaos sounded really cool!

It's been confirmed, certain scenarios were dropped from BTS and Civ Defense was added.

Gilgamesh rocks! And Darius might make me play the Persians after all!

The music is growing on me...
Ditto -- that makes at least 2 of us! :D

I even left the window up with the music playing as I perused other sites for another 15 minutes or so.

Well thats one of us...

I think its worse than warlords music if that says anything.

The first twenty seconds sickens me... it's horrible! But once the choral arrangement begins, it is actually not half bad. Although not a fan of any of the three main songs, I'd rate this one slightly higher than Warlords, but eons away from Baba.

It's been confirmed, certain scenarios were dropped from BTS and Civ Defense was added.

I wonder why? :confused: (non-sarcastic)

here here!

Where?

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Eh, are Dog Soldiers meant to clean up Macemen? The websites demo of it has it beating the Macemen without any loss.

Eh, are Dog Soldiers meant to clean up Macemen? The websites demo of it has it beating the Macemen without any loss.

demo? link plz

http://www.2kgames.com/civ4/beyondthesword/

Eh, are Dog Soldiers meant to clean up Macemen? The websites demo of it has it beating the Macemen without any loss.

They must've been heavily promoted, otherwise they wouldn't have won (6 vs 8)

sorry, but i dont find the Dog Soldier killing a Macemen thingy

You go to "Civilizations", then find the "Maya", then click "New Unit" (I think), then click to "see it in action".

thx
(10chars)

well, the dog soldier is defending..
if it has been fortified a few turns, and have 25% fortify bonus, then even if it was totally unpromoted, it would have a 29.7% chance of winning vs an unpromoted maceman

Or it got lucky.

It happens.

Yeah, actually it's kinda similar to the Babylonian Bowman taking out a Longbowman or the Cataphract taking out a Cavalry. So there's a theme there of sorts of demoing them up against stronger opponents.

Those little unit videos are just mock ups of the unit in action. I don't think they are supposed to represent any actual in-game situation.

Yeehee the official site is up!!!!!
Including all leaderheads and unit movies
http://www.2kgames.com/civ4/beyondthesword/

Sweet!!! I took at look at, I like how they show u the new leader heads and units

Whoever took the screenshots for the WW2 scenario was a lazy git.

All from first turn and worst of all showing nothing interesting going on!

Whoever took the screenshots for the WW2 scenario was a lazy git.

All from first turn and worst of all showing nothing interesting going on!

it's very true.
And this applies to all the scenarios.

If you look very carefull at the top left corner of the Cataphract demo, right at the start of the video you see a mobile SAM drive past :crazyeye:

Does anyone if the music from the official site will be in the actual game?

Does anyone if the music from the official site will be in the actual game?

nope .

nope .
As in it won't be or you don't know?

How would he know?

As in it won't be or you don't know?

as in No, no one knows...

your original question:

Does anyone if the music from the official site will be in the actual game?

apparently, i read it as:

Does anyone know if the music from the official site will be in the actual game?

That's what playing the game is for. ;)

Whoever took the screenshots for the WW2 scenario was a lazy git.

All from first turn and worst of all showing nothing interesting going on!