WW2 World Global Conflict is a fictional Scenario for WW2 1939 Mod.
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New Version 1.09 now available June 31 2007
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Version 1.09
*added tile improvements in Europe
*More Units for Japan and Germany
*RSA starts as Vassal of UK

Version 1.07
*strengthened Japan USA and UK
*Improved Historical accuracy

Version 1.06
*take a look at the nations standings in 1940 July
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*Thanks to pertinent remarks of LUKO the new version strengthened USSR and USA they now have more cities more buildings and more units
*Japan is now in a permanent war with UK and China thanks to ASIO's remarks
*Added about ten cities to Soviet so now after start they should quickly grow into a super power
* If the Reich is subdued and canada australia and india gain freedon from UK the new Powers should be USA and USSR maybe Japan too
* Game starts with beginning of French collaboration (June 1940) and ends 1949or50 near 500 turns played in weeks

Version 1.01

The beta testing is over

The scenario is surprisingly realistic !
*added starting units and buildings
*permanent war between axis and allies
*Japan controls Korea and part of china
*japan at war with USA and China
*India is now a vassal of GB
*Fixed city names

New Version 0.18 now available
*added the tile improvements and big powers start at war in 1940
*improved game balance Hitler and Churchill are leaders by a safe margin

Playable 17 civs:
1-3rd Reich
2-Vichy France V
3-Great Britain
4-Argentina
5-Soviet Union
6-Australia V
7-China
8-Italy V
9-Mexico
10-Turkey V
11-USA
12-Canada V
13-Japan
14-Brazil
15-South Africa
16-Egypt V
17-Arabia V
*V means it's a Vassal state but it is still playable

The year is 1940 rewrite history, win peacefully or storm your enemies with your Waffen SS or NKVD.
The big powers start at war and have vassal states on 120 by 60 world globe map it can be a bit lagging.
Special thanks to the team (ASIO) that made the World War 2 1939 MOD with all the great civics and units.

To install
You need Warlords patched to version 2.08 to play

Than install the great:
WORLD WAR II 1939
A CIVILIZATION IV MODIFICATION
Version 1.15bBeta for Warlords 2.08 have been released

Just run the installation file and setup it to your mods directory in warlords.
By default it installs to C:\Program Files\Firaxis Games\Sid Meier's Civilization 4\Warlords\Mods\

After installing the MOD you can play the 3 scenarios that come with it.
To play Global Conflict download the file at the bottom link.


The Scenario is a world builder save and should be extracted to:
C:\Program Files\Firaxis Games\Sid Meier's Civilization 4\Warlords\Mods\ww2 1939\PublicMaps

Start Civ Warlords load a mod (WW2 1939) play scenario

GLOBAL CONFLICT DOWNLOAD 1.07 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/86947/WW2_By_Vlad_1.09.zip)

Sample Pictures


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*Listen to your suggestions.
*Historical accuracy is important but game balance more so.

28 June 2007 -
* Trying to see if the nations rankings will be realistic when played with USA on Monarch in 1949 (8years later)
It would be greatly appreciated if some one tried it out too with USA or USSR to see
if these 2 Mega Powers will emerge and the Axis will collapse.

Working on Newer version and if you have an opinion on how it should look, please share it

Shouldn't USA and USSR be stronger and UK weaker?

Shouldn't USA and USSR be stronger and UK weaker?

I think that before WW2 UK was the ultimate power with all the control of the colonies and the commonwealth during and after the war USSR and USA emerge as Mega Powers,
TAKE A LOOK
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I bet as the war goes on Soviet will pick up and already Canada that was previously vassal of UK switched to vassal of USA during game.
Try it a bit longer give it a shot with USA or Axis at Monarch/Epic

I have a question should there be permanent war between Japan=> and China and/or UK?

About the wars - it depends to you
The game would be for sure interesting with permanent wars (is it possible to make peace with turning looser to vasal?)

The ww2 worked liked that - no peace before ultimate victory so i think you may turn on it this way

But on the other hand - it's more about replaying not rewriting history - so the decision is up to you

I think that before WW2 UK was the ultimate power with all the control of the colonies and the commonwealth during and after the war USSR and USA emerge as Mega Powers,

UK was very strong but it was still weaker than USSR or especially USA (42% of World's military strength while Third Reich + Japan 18%).

UK was very strong but it was still weaker than USSR or especially USA (42% of World's military strength while Third Reich + Japan 18%).

Ok ill see what i can do about it especially USSR i have forgot about them the USA is still strong though but like prior to WW2 they were on horses not tanks LOL

UK was very strong but it was still weaker than USSR or especially USA (42% of World's military strength while Third Reich + Japan 18%).

Thanks for remarks they were good give a try now and tell how it goes but you must play maybe 50 to 100 turns for USA and USSR gain full strength.
Like it happened in real life in my opinion the scenario now starts in June after the French capitulation and start of collaboration.

I appreciate your remarks i hope you have other improvement ideas.

here is a picture of the citie i added to game start for Soviet
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i also added 2 Canadian cities and Alaska so Canada should gain independence from UK quicker i think it happened in 1933 not sure
do you think i should make them vassal of USA instead
and give South Africa to UK in exchange making USA even stronger

About the wars - it depends to you
The game would be for sure interesting with permanent wars (is it possible to make peace with turning looser to vasal?)

The ww2 worked liked that - no peace before ultimate victory so i think you may turn on it this way

But on the other hand - it's more about replaying not rewriting history - so the decision is up to you

Your wise guidance is very appreciated my Jedi master
i implemented the changes you suggested permanent wars
thanks
and yes once a vassal gain independence you can sign peace the perm war is only between the masters

I don't know how it works on balancing (still don't have more time to play more turns :sad: ) but historicly canada and australia and south africa should have the same politics what great britain and of course india has (so you choosed good making them vassals:) ) - they were in defence alliance, commonwealth, they have/had the same leader

and with some period of time they would get more and more independence :)

I don't know how it works on balancing (still don't have more time to play more turns :sad: ) but historicly canada and australia and south africa should have the same politics what great britain and of course india has (so you choosed good making them vassals:) ) - they were in defence alliance, commonwealth, they have/had the same leader

and with some period of time they would get more and more independence :)

That was in the old version
but i did some research and they had the status of Westminster since 1933
so now Canada and Australia are independent
but not India they can gain their independence though

However when i played with USA, Canada offered to become vassal of USA pretty cool
I launched a small offensive on Japan with marines was fun
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http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/86947/Vlad.zip

By strengthening the other nations it has left the 3rd reich ranked only 5th in power. they should be top 3 ideally

One other thing, I see that Britain has p38 lightnings and p47 thunderbolts, shouldnt they have spitfires and hurricanes instead?

By strengthening the other nations it has left the 3rd reich ranked only 5th in power. they should be top 3 ideally

Was it more powerful than USA, USSR or UK? During WWII 3rd Reich had much luck and blitzkrieg.

During WWII 3rd Reich had much luck and blitzkrieg.

3rd Reich hadn't had luck but very skilled soldiers and good generals suck as Rommel, Manstein that + the doktryn called blitzkreig made them win so many battles

3rd Reich hadn't had luck but very skilled soldiers and good generals suck as Rommel, Manstein

Which is represented as a luck in cIV :P

I bet as the war goes on Soviet will pick up and already Canada that was previously vassal of UK switched to vassal of USA during game.

Are you sure that Canada is a vassal of UK? I checked it after some turns and Canada was a vassal of USA :/ (I was UK)
I think that South Africa and Australia should be UK vassals. (they had "independence" but only theoretically) Also I don;t think that Italy should be German vassal. It's better to make it free nation or include into Reich (and use free spot to make Spain).

Why there isn't placed any wonder? Shouldn't London be 1 title toward east? Shouldn't European terrains have more improvements? (i.e. road connecting coal in Britain) Shouldn't UK have weaker army in Britain? (now it's able to take Paris after building 1 transport ship)

Are you sure that Canada is a vassal of UK? I checked it after some turns and Canada was a vassal of USA :/ (I was UK)
I think that South Africa and Australia should be UK vassals. (they had "independence" but only theoretically)
Statute of Westminster for all these countries was given in 1930's
official independence.
However RSA becomes USSR vassal in begging so ill will see maybe they'll be UK vassal as for the other two it works out well the way it is they have more than half of UK land and an alliance with USA is not so bad

Also I don;t think that Italy should be German vassal. It's better to make it free nation or include into Reich (and use free spot to make Spain).
It's either Italy or Spain i prefer the detail of units of the Italian nation

Why there isn't placed any wonder? Shouldn't London be 1 title toward east? Shouldn't European terrains have more improvements? (i.e. road connecting coal in Britain) Shouldn't UK have weaker army in Britain? (now it's able to take Paris after building 1 transport ship)
I will make more European tile improvements and put more troopsfor Axis and Japan in the next version thanks for remarks

By strengthening the other nations it has left the 3rd reich ranked only 5th in power. they should be top 3 ideally

One other thing, I see that Britain has p38 lightnings and p47 thunderbolts, shouldnt they have spitfires and hurricanes instead?

I will certainly give tanks and planes to reich in next version thanks

Statute of Westminster for all these countries was given in 1930's
official independence.
However RSA becomes USSR vassal in begging so ill will see maybe they'll be UK vassal as for the other two it works out well the way it is they have more than half of UK land and an alliance with USA is not so bad

Wasn't George VI of the United Kingdom king of Australia and Canada?

It's either Italy or Spain i prefer the detail of units of the Italian nation

Mussolini was a master for Hitler and Hitler was a master for Mussolini. If Italy is German vassal, Germany should be Italian vassal too :) Or consider them as a free nations. Or merge them into one (Spain haven't fought in WWII, so it's better to have it as a free nation).

Wasn't George VI of the United Kingdom king of Australia and Canada?
Still today we have the Queen of England on our currency here in Canada but we are much more the vassal of USA even though it's still a constitutional monarchy


Mussolini was a master for Hitler and Hitler was a master for Mussolini. If Italy is German vassal, Germany should be Italian vassal too :) Or consider them as a free nations. Or merge them into one (Spain haven't fought in WWII, so it's better to have it as a free nation).

No space for Spain on Map but i could make them barbarian it will be easy target for Reich though.
Or i could take out one of the Arab vassals of UK or merge 'em into 1, and create Spain it will be extremely week and will become out of it's own will a vassal
so that won't please you either anyway ill think about it

Try the new version it is improved taking Paris shouldn't be so easy now as well as conquering the pacific Stalin is mighty big around 20% of land area

Still today we have the Queen of England on our currency here in Canada but we are much more the vassal of USA even though it's still a constitutional monarchy

If tomorrow would start war between UK and USA Canada and Australia would be engaged? Would it help USA or UK? Peace and war are extremely different times ;)

Try the new version it is improved taking Paris shouldn't be so easy now as well as conquering the pacific Stalin is mighty big around 20% of land area

I said Paris because it was a closest city (so it was a first target for me). You should decrease UK army- it wasn't able to attack Germans until USA came with it's armies.

If tomorrow would start war between UK and USA
This is WW2 two mod no war between UK and USA

Canada and Australia would be engaged?
They both are in permanent war with AXIS
-It matters little if they are vassals of UK or USA they both posses
-I think it's good they start independent how they align is up to them
*Australia won't become US vassal unless US conquers Pacific Asia from Japan
-Canada has a big territory so if US stays passive Canada will be independent and maybe switch to UK if they conquer Europe and Africa
*After axis collapsed in 1 of my games with USA , USSR attacked me and kicked me out of Europe some sort of Cold War gone bad.

I said Paris because it was a closest city (so it was a first target for me). You should decrease UK army- it wasn't able to attack Germans until USA came with it's armies.

-I strengthened the Axis in the new version you can try it and tell me if u can invade axis right away and win
-i think that either Axis USA or USSR should be able to win that seems realistic to me. Either rewrite or replay history as you like.
-UK could have never won without USA in my opinion .
-It would be cool if you could trigger in python a war between Reich and USSR.

This is WW2 two mod no war between UK and USA

I meant tomorrow=02.07.07


*Australia won't become US vassal unless US conquers Pacific Asia from Japan
-Canada has a big territory so if US stays passive Canada will be independent and maybe switch to UK if they conquer Europe and Africa

Canada shouldn't be able to became USA vassal.

It would be cool if you could trigger in python a war between Reich and USSR.

It can be triggered on certain turn but on EVERY map.

It can be triggered on certain turn but on EVERY map.

Yup it's mayor problem with all scripts - they are good for 1-3 maps - but more scenarios means more troubles

Spain did send a unit of volunteers to fight on the Eastern Front with Germany called the Blue Legion.

But the only reason they stayed neutral and did not join the Axis is that Admiral Canaris undermined Hitlers efforts to get them to join and secretly conspired to keep Spain neutral. (History Channel program)

In a scenario where Hitler is not the leader and there is no Holocaust, Canaris would have no motivation to this, so maybe they would not stay neutral.

Spain did send a unit of volunteers to fight on the Eastern Front with Germany called the Blue Legion.

Poland sent Lisowczycy against the Protestants in the Thirty Years' War, but haven't fought in this war, just as Spain haven't fought in WWII.

Saying Germany had luck in WW2 and was not more powerful then USSR, UK OR USA is a very ignorant and stupid thing to say. Im not a Nazi but I do like to be realist.

The Third Reich was the most technologically advanced nation in WW2. It had a disciplined, well trained and highly nationalistic army. Great Generals, Ambitious and Fanatic leader and a strong industrial sector. Poland was conquered in 30 days or so making it one the swiftest campaigns in military history.

The real problem that Germany had was the Soviets. Over 70 percent of Nazi troops were on the Eastern Front outnumbered and engaged in bloody battles vs the Soviets.

Had hitler not attacked the Soviet Union or had conquered it before the UK and USA started their campaign in the west, all of Europe would be talking Deutche right now.

JediPimp, I just played your scenario.

Things I like:
Not to many units on the map, Units take longer to produce. ( I hate fighting with a stack of 30 panzers, unrealistic)
The load speed is alright.
The timeline and speed of researching. I think its just right. I could be wrong.

Things that need to be improved/changed:
Bigger Europe, there are world maps with bigger Europe. The most important WW2 battles happened in Europe.
Include France, still a lot of fun to conquer France from scrath, Poland too. Or to play as France and try stop Nazi aggression. Optional, not a big deal
Spain should be neutral country in any case and not a part of German territory.
Historical military strength. I know that the numbers are out there somewhere; Germany had 100 divisions, 11 mechanised etc. 11 mechanised ment you should place 7-8 panzers and 3-4 of the SDK armored cars.
Germany did not have/use their Jet Fighter in 1940 ! If they did, it would be hell for the Allies and could have turned the tide of the war.
You should place 2-4 bombers .....
Some artilery erm ?
Holy cities ?

And this is just playing with Germany.

That's it so far.
Nice scenario but it still needs a lot of improvement in the historical department and the balance department too.

Saying Germany had luck in WW2 and was not more powerful then USSR, UK OR USA is a very ignorant and stupid thing to say. Im not a Nazi but I do like to be realist. The Third Reich was the most technologically advanced nation in WW2. It had a disciplined, well trained and highly nationalistic army. Great Generals, Ambitious and Fanatic leader and a strong industrial sector

The true is that with begining of war german wasn't fully preapred. Many generals was afraid of invasion to France (that was planned before the invasion to poland) or invasion to poland. The lack of agreement with Poland (they didn't wanted to loose the Gdansk (Danzig) build exteritorial higway from germany to east prussia) and making alliance with France and Great Britain forced Hitler to start thinking about invasion to Poland first (he choosed wisely because west allies used much often phone than guns),

The industrial machine in 30's was in bad shape - it's one of the reason why hitler gained so much popularity so quick. The industry was rising with start of breaking after-ww1 agreements (wich started around middle of 30's) and taking factories in occupied countries (Austria, Czech, Poland, France).

I agree they were much more technically advanced that the rest of the world - some historicians claims that they have complieted nuclear program http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nuclear_energy_project
The usage of rocketry, jet propulsion, advances in tank / ship construction, building assault guns. But you have on the other hand - commonly used Katyusha (BM-13) turning german cities into ruins , cheap and mass produced tanks in Ussr, and Heavy Bombers ruining german cities and industry and A-Bomb in the west allies.

. Poland was conquered in 30 days or so making it one the swiftest campaigns in military history.

And i could say he had a lot of luck doing this. Poland finished fighting after treacherous attack of Soviet Union - there wasn't any point to defend longer since west allies didn't started war in the west front. The simultaneous attack on Germany on two fronts would finish this war in early 1940 (probably Stalin won't attack in 17th September 1939 when the attack of west allies would be significant)

The real problem that Germany had was the Soviets. Over 70 percent of Nazi troops were on the Eastern Front outnumbered and engaged in bloody battles vs the Soviets.

Sooner or later would war with ussr start - Stalin was considering such attack on 1942. He was very surprised that hitler made this earlier. For me the real problem for germany was Japan - you can say it's why axis loosed this war - they didn't attacked soviet union on syberia - they would have access to many natural resources than and would make real problem for soviet union. They bringed USA to war - the country with strongest production and economy. And finally they allowed to move troops from syberia to east europe - so stallin defended moscow with fresh reinforcments bringed to europe just in time and allow to take the leading on the front.

Had hitler not attacked the Soviet Union or had conquered it before the UK and USA started their campaign in the west, all of Europe would be talking Deutche right now.

As one of the german generals said - "elephant amongs the ants sooner or later will die " - the strategic mistake of japanese made that germany outnambered by russian and in war with country with biggest economy hadn't chance of surviving.

Thank you for posting ideas and finding issues :) I'm glad you like this scenario - i also find this scenario very good - good work jedipimp :)

Germany did not have/use their Jet Fighter in 1940 ! If they did, it would be hell for the Allies and could have turned the tide of the war.

What about this one :p
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_280

Hi Asioasioasio, How you been ? How's the mod coming along ? when can we expect an update? :)

The true is that with begining of war german wasn't fully preapred. Many generals was afraid of invasion to France (that was planned before the invasion to poland) or invasion to poland. The lack of agreement with Poland (they didn't wanted to loose the Gdansk (Danzig) build exteritorial higway from germany to east prussia) and making alliance with France and Great Britain forced Hitler to start thinking about invasion to Poland first (he choosed wisely because west allies used much often phone than guns),

The industrial machine in 30's was in bad shape - it's one of the reason why hitler gained so much popularity so quick. The industry was rising with start of breaking after-ww1 agreements (wich started around middle of 30's) and taking factories in occupied countries (Austria, Czech, Poland, France).

I agree they were much more technically advanced that the rest of the world - some historicians claims that they have complieted nuclear program http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_...energy_project
The usage of rocketry, jet propulsion, advances in tank / ship construction, building assault guns. But you have on the other hand - commonly used Katyusha (BM-13) turning german cities into ruins , cheap and mass produced tanks in Ussr, and Heavy Bombers ruining german cities and industry and A-Bomb in the west allies.

I didn't go into any historical details. Thnx for filling in. All I am saying is The Third Reich was more or less the SuperPower of WorldWar 2. There is no luck involved as a wise man said once: 'Luck is only when preparation meets opportunity.' You can already percept that I am somewhat impressed with Germany. I am impressed not at the things that Hitler and Germans had done, was/were about to do, I am impressed of the Power this man and this country had. Now that power was used for an evil purpose - an entirely different story. Just like I admire the Tecnhological Power Germans had, so I admire the Courage and love for the Motherland that Russians have, as was the case with Polish too, so I admire the rise of America after the war, etc. SO, i find it insulting when somebody said Germany had luck. Erm capturing a vilage may be luck, Destroying airports with the aircraft still on the ground may be luck, But Capturing most of Europe is Not Luck.

And i could say he had a lot of luck doing this. Poland finished fighting after treacherous attack of Soviet Union - there wasn't any point to defend longer since west allies didn't started war in the west front. The simultaneous attack on Germany on two fronts would finish this war in early 1940 (probably Stalin won't attack in 17th September 1939 when the attack of west allies would be significant)

It's debatable. I think Poland would have fallen either way. What you're missing on out here is that Germany would not attack Poland if it wasn't sure it would be a fast succesful campaign and its western border was safe. It was carefully planned, with assesment of Polish, French, British military capabilities and the decision was made. As Sun Tzu once said: A winner first wins, then goes to battle.

Sooner or later would war with ussr start - Stalin was considering such attack on 1942. He was very surprised that hitler made this earlier. For me the real problem for germany was Japan - you can say it's why axis loosed this war - they didn't attacked soviet union on syberia - they would have access to many natural resources than and would make real problem for soviet union. They bringed USA to war - the country with strongest production and economy. And finally they allowed to move troops from syberia to east europe - so stallin defended moscow with fresh reinforcments bringed to europe just in time and allow to take the leading on the front.

I haven't thought of that since I lack knowledge of what happened in the Pacific. I agree with you completely. Enough said.

What about this one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_280
That plane was still a prototype and wasn't used. And the Jet Fighter I am refering to is the Me 262. I think this scenario starts in 1940 or so and there's 3-4 Me 262s for Germany :) Not True.

I can hardly wait for the update Asio. do zobaczenia

Witam i Pozdrawiam :)

Hi Asioasioasio, How you been ? How's the mod coming along ? when can we expect an update? :)

Fine thx :) I'm working on LH graphics right now - still the number of nations planned for 2.0 is expanding :) And update - probably 1st september - but in this case it won't have all the "whistles" planned for 2.0.

I didn't go into any historical details. Thnx for filling in. All I am saying is The Third Reich was more or less the SuperPower of WorldWar 2. There is no luck involved as a wise man said once: 'Luck is only when preparation meets opportunity.' [...]

Yup you're right it's hard to call it luck (i mean conquering europe) - tough he was risking much - so you can say he was lucky ;) winning with Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Danmark, Norway, Low Countries and France. As i said german industry and science started to grow in power by this time - 1-2 years more was enough to build superpower and conquer France and be able to start war with USRR. And for sure they're one of the most advance nations (the number of WunderWaffes is good example)

It's debatable. I think Poland would have fallen either way. What you're missing on out here is that Germany would not attack Poland if it wasn't sure it would be a fast succesful campaign and its western border was safe. It was carefully planned, with assesment of Polish, French, British military capabilities and the decision was made. As Sun Tzu once said: A winner first wins, then goes to battle.

Very probable that Poland would won this war (if i rember well in fourth day of campaign the coomunication transport started to be a problem for Poland - bad organization bringed first looses of strategic key positions. But Germany with allied forces in Saar and in Rhineland-Palatinate could be in real trouble. The war could finish earlier than :)

That plane was still a prototype and wasn't used. And the Jet Fighter I am refering to is the Me 262. I think this scenario starts in 1940 or so and there's 3-4 Me 262s for Germany :) Not True.

I can hardly wait for the update Asio. do zobaczenia

Yup Me-262 was better design so it was choosed for further development. :)

OK i hope it will be worthy of waiting :)
Do zobaczenia :)

Keep in mind that the US built more tanks and planes in 1944 then Germany built during the the entire war. It wasn't until Albert Speer took over in 1942 that germany even tried to enter a wartime footing. Factories were still manufacturing luxury goods and retail goods until 1944. They also didn't let women work in the factories and employed slave labor (many of whom sabotaged the munitions they made).

In this scenario, you control the economy (so to speak) and can produce units and advancements to help fight the battle. You don't have to worry about the political environment so much.

Also, American troops were very poorly trained in the beginning and the army was essentially built from scratch. Plus, the game does not take into account the use of tanks in combat. Germany used tanks properly (ironically using British invented tactics) focusing them to hammer holes in the enemy lines and exploit them with infantry.

The French actually had more tanks in 1939, but they split them up amongst the troops as infantry support, as did the British. This rendered them inefffective and allowed the german tanks to smash them piecemeal.

This is not represented in the game, for various reasons. Perhaps starting German units need additional promotions to represent training and doctrinal superiority.

Although later in the game, their individual units are better, even though in real life they made very few of these units.

i hope this version is also updated for beyond the sword %=)

yup, also :)
slitghly jmodifies to fit new mod

that and the other mod being made for beyond the sword has made my day %=)