1. No new maps
2. No fix for Air and Naval unit warfare
3. No fix for Unit production cost (it's too low)
4. No graphic speed enhancement
5. No better AI
6. No new tile improvements (ex. Land/Water minefield, No new resources, etc)
7. No new religions
8. No new civics
9. No support Win-Lose-Dis system for Multiplayers (Unofficial Ladder report system is ridiculous)
10. No new patch for Warlords

P.S.
11. No CANADA

Okay.

Think you could stop posting on the BtS board, then?

5. No better AI
There is better AI in BtS.
Everything else.... There is better AI in BtS.

2, 3: These aren't broken. If you don't like the design decision, hard luck.

5: The AI is being improved.

Read this thread. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=228634) :)

???

1. Scenarios... random map generator

2. More promotions... more units

3. Don't know what to say for this one, never knew it was a problem to some... mod it?

4. I hope this is improved upon myself with all the new additions

5. The AI is greatly improved... they'll even go for culture victories now

6. I don't think there is... but forts have been improved greatly for example

7. Why more religions? They're all the same, seems to be more than enough of them. Also, one word... Corporations.

8. Nope, but I don't think it's that big of a deal.

9. That's a shame for Multiplayers

10. Probably because so much work has been put into BtS... move on to bigger, better things!


Anyway, if you don't want to buy the next expansion... that's your problem, errr, I mean decision. Heck, you bought Warlords even, why wouldn't you get this latest one?

1. No new maps

Wrong. There are new maps. It was announced, there will be new map types

2. No fix for Air and Naval unit warfare

Wrong again. Air warfare has been changed, and there has been an increase of naval units, which will need to guard the new trade routes.

3. No fix for Unit production cost (it's too low)

Im not sure, but can't you just play epic or marathon length games, or mod some files for yourself?

4. No graphic speed enhancement

Sorry, if your computer sucks. But thats your problem. My Civ runs great.

5. No better AI

As already noted, wrong again. Blake's better AI is included.

7. No new religions

Firaxis has found that 7 religions is the optimal number. Marginal use from adding an eighth is minute.

9. No support Win-Lose-Dis system for Multiplayers (Unofficial Ladder report system is ridiculous)

I don't know anything about multiplayer.

10. No new patch for Warlords

Why care? You'd be playing BtS, not Warlords.



Points 6 and 8 are valid. I myself would not want more tile improvements (6) though. I remember in Civ3 Conquests, the new tile improvements and types were just annoying (marshes).

Try reading Methos' BtS info thread, cause many of your points are right on there.

EDIT: looks like I was to late, and other noted my arguements for me..

Anyone hear that?

The sound of the thread being shot down into the ground. :)

Your statement has been noted. Accordingly, Firaxis has scaled back its sales expectations by one unit. This will figure in their quarterly earnings report. Ouch!

I bet you will buy it eventually

1 Reason I will not buy BTS

1. I'm asking for it for my birthday :D

hmmm....I think a villiage somewhere is missing an idiot


Warned for flaming

Boo hoo!..........

Your statement has been noted. Accordingly, Firaxis has scaled back its sales expectations by one unit. This will figure in their quarterly earnings report. Ouch!


lol..........

I think he's joking, guys. Nobody can be this stupid.

I won't buy BTS because I despise Civ IV with a passion known to very few.

Another whining thread? Am I the only one out there who thinks this is the best xpack ever? Am I?

1. No new maps
2. No fix for Air and Naval unit warfare
3. No fix for Unit production cost (it's too low)
4. No graphic speed enhancement
5. No better AI
6. No new tile improvements (ex. Land/Water minefield, No new resources, etc)
7. No new religions
8. No new civics
9. No support Win-Lose-Dis system for Multiplayers (Unofficial Ladder report system is ridiculous)
10. No new patch for Warlords

P.S.
11. No CANADA

Um... new religions? What else do you want? Scientology? A lot of dumb complaints if you ask me.

#1: You're a crybaby.
#2: You expected them to change the core of the game.
#3: You're a whiner.
#4: You wanted a game overburdened with superfluous garbage.
#5: You didn't read enough about all the features they did improve.
#6: Uh, you get the idea by now.

Bye Colossian. Won't miss you.

Has this guy read ANYTHING about BTS? I don't mind hearing why somebody won't buy a product I think looks cool, but at least do some research, give it some thought. This . . . was barely worth replying to. I'm sorry I had to read it.

1. No new maps
2. No fix for Air and Naval unit warfare
3. No fix for Unit production cost (it's too low)
4. No graphic speed enhancement
5. No better AI
6. No new tile improvements (ex. Land/Water minefield, No new resources, etc)
7. No new religions
8. No new civics
9. No support Win-Lose-Dis system for Multiplayers (Unofficial Ladder report system is ridiculous)
10. No new patch for Warlords

P.S.
11. No CANADA

1) I honestly think there are enough map types in the game so each one is not the same.
2) Have you read any of the previews, they added new promotions to aircraft and added a new system to deal with air combat. Naval Ships will now fight over trade routes which will make them more important
3) I think the production rate for units is fine, and if i do complain, it's because they are produced too slowly.
4) They have made the graphics better, more slick.
5) They are using Blakes better AI mod
6) Again, do we need any more resources, i remember civ 3 when there was a massive race to get all 4 stratagic resources in the late game and now there are only 2, making the game fairer by reducing the number of players that can't build certain units.
7) Again I think any more religions might upset game balance, also with the new corporation system, which is similar in the way religions work, they just have different effects, you can keep spreading your religion and corporations to gain influnce in the world.
8) What new civics would you add?
9) I let someone else answer this!
10) Again what to you mean by this?
PS 11) Canada is not a great power, live with it, yes it is a great nation, but it has never really changed the shape of the world we live in today.

1. No new maps
2. No fix for Air and Naval unit warfare
3. No fix for Unit production cost (it's too low)
4. No graphic speed enhancement
5. No better AI
6. No new tile improvements (ex. Land/Water minefield, No new resources, etc)
7. No new religions
8. No new civics
9. No support Win-Lose-Dis system for Multiplayers (Unofficial Ladder report system is ridiculous)
10. No new patch for Warlords

P.S.
11. No CANADA

Who gives a darn.

???
7. Why more religions? They're all the same, seems to be more than enough of them. Also, one word... Corporations.
Yes, corporations seem to be play the role that religions played earlier in the game. And speaking of earlier in the game, the Apostolic Palace will also give new weight to the religions.

Geee, and not even a single point about HRE being in?

I'd post 10 reasons why I don't care why you wouldn't buy BtS, but can't be arsed.

I'd post 10 reasons why I don't care why you wouldn't buy BtS, but can't be arsed.

10 Reasons Why I don't Care Why Martinus doesn't Care why Colossian wouldn't buy BtS

1. Well… it's hard to think of anything. I just don’t care, that’s it. No particular reason.
2-10. ditto

PS

11. No CANADA perhaps?

hmmm....I think a villiage somewhere is missing an idiot
If the village idiot of every village got together to form a village, he'd be the idiot of that village.

You guys are proving yourself to be a bunch of village idiots by replying to satire like you are....

Satire!

Ye gods...

1. No new maps
2. No fix for Air and Naval unit warfare
3. No fix for Unit production cost (it's too low)
4. No graphic speed enhancement
5. No better AI
6. No new tile improvements (ex. Land/Water minefield, No new resources, etc)
7. No new religions
8. No new civics
9. No support Win-Lose-Dis system for Multiplayers (Unofficial Ladder report system is ridiculous)
10. No new patch for Warlords

P.S.
11. No CANADA

1) look in the new maps scripts section
2) no research
3) and effects the game. how?
4) yet again no research
5) yet again no research
6) and effects the game. how?
7) and effects the game. how?
8) for once i agree but it easly be modded
9) :huh:
10) BTS is the Patch
11) and effects the game. how?

No patch for warlords? Warlords suxed if you ask me. The second expansions
(Civ3/4) were lame o . Hoping BTS will be like Conquests (in its completion of it's original formula).

Um... new religions? What else do you want? Scientology? A lot of dumb complaints if you ask me.

Actually, General Polytheism (for the Greeks, Romans and Egyptians) and Zoroastrianism come to mind as new religions, but I'm sure those can be modded in..

As for this whole thread, it's hilarious guys! And that includes the original poster.. :lol:

Remember, cuddle a troll today!

Q: What's a good sign for the quality of an expansion pack?

A: You see someone struggling to find reasons against buying it, and failing hard because he can only come up with reasons that are either factually wrong, or plain silly to begin with.

cant believe so many post in a troll thread

... ups, why i'm posting here??

Oh no! I posted again!

This is the kind of person that will wait a few months for the reviews and patches to come in and then buy it. New members, Review your homework now ;)

Surely this thread is spam. Why does it still exist?

We have grown fond of it.

11. No editor
12. No fixed landarty

...but on the other side may be I buy it, so that I can tell you how bad it really is.:D

Artificial Intelligence

Automated units are now much improved and will listen to the city governor, i.e. if commerce is the focus the automated workers will focus on commerce improvements.


Sounds great! Thanks Methos. Glad to hear that.

1. No new maps

someone correct me if I'm wrong but I could swear I read somewhere that they definitely will have completely new map scripts in BTS. I thought Sirian was actually working with them on that.

1. No new maps

someone correct me if I'm wrong but I could swear I read somewhere that they definitely will have completely new map scripts in BTS. I thought Sirian was actually working with them on that.
I think I heard them say they were working on map generation. Same options, but the result would be better looking maps.

Anyone hear that?

The sound of the thread being shot down into the ground. :)
All I hear are the sirens of the Whaaaaaaambulance.

About half the things u just said are included in the game, and no one cares that you dont want to buy it. The people here in the forum want to buy it. I CANT WAIT FOR IT!!!!!!!!!

Yay troll threads. I wonder what exactly trollers are looking for when they know exactly the kinds of responses that they're gonna get. Plus, don't they know they make us feel better by whacking their silly post into the ground?

:hammer::hammer::hammer:

Am I the only person that thinks mods here are pretty un reactive to this?

I'm saying that in the couple of months I've posted here, read for a while before.


Please use the 'report post' function when you come across a troll or spam thread like this. It helps us out since we can't cover every post of every thread on CFC.

Maybe they're enjoying it.

1. No new maps
2. No fix for Air and Naval unit warfare
3. No fix for Unit production cost (it's too low)
4. No graphic speed enhancement
5. No better AI
6. No new tile improvements (ex. Land/Water minefield, No new resources, etc)
7. No new religions
8. No new civics
9. No support Win-Lose-Dis system for Multiplayers (Unofficial Ladder report system is ridiculous)
10. No new patch for Warlords

11. No monkeys

I've officially decided to boycott any game that doesn't feature monkeys. I can't imagine how it could be worth it to buy a game that doesn't include every specific demand I want.

1. No new maps

I've figured Siran is working for modifing the old maps. No new maps and No new resources are one of the concepts of BTS. Take a look at this;

Will there be new resources?
<alexman> No new resources, but old resources are now more important because of corporations.


<alexman> No new maps, but old maps are now more important because of new civilizations.

Are there any plans or projects beyond "Beyond..."? Civ5? Alpha Centauri 2? Another expansion?
<FXS_JonShafer> we are always working on something cool
<FXS_jsmith> there are always plans. heh
<FXS_JonShafer> but you won't hear about it here, sorry

Firaxis will add some new resources in Civ5 or Beyond........

Just what is the point of adding more resources?
You can get more than enough happiness if you control all the luxuries already, so that happiness buildings matter very little, except in huge cities. So no more luxury resources please, unless basic mechanic of the resources changes. Same with health resources. And would adding more strategic resources make the game better? I don't think it would, I think Firaxis hit the right balance with number of strategic resources to use.
More doesn't mean better.

EDIT:
Aren't maps randomly generated? You just want more map scripts? If this x-pack will be bad it's because it will fail at critical points- espionage, corporations can be unbalanced, buggy, unuseful, not fun... But not because it will lack easily download-able maps and map scripts.

EDIT 2:
What new maps would you like to have in? Could you post an example?

One reason I won't be buying BTS:

It won't be available for the MAC for a while :)

Cheers.

12) No lava stage. What sort of video game doesn't have a lava stage? Even the fantasy mod is some crummy ice thing!

13) They included the Holy Roman Empire, creating a horrific taint that has spread throughout the entire code. Not even modding the HRE out will be able to save the disk. We must kill it with fire.

14) No Hitler. Why is Hitler never in these games? It's not as if Firaxis would be opening the door to massive controversy for no real effect or anything.

15) They cut Superrobo. Now Superrobo will never be repaired. Curse you, Firaxis! Robots can learn to love!

Thank you OP for helping me get rid of the "you haven't posted" notice.

I am agreeing with everyone else... don't let the door hit you on the way out of the forum.

Does that work?

1. I'm po'.

P.S.
11. No CANADA

As a Michigander I can tell you Canada is part of our American civilization and America has been in for a long time. We even use some Canadian Currency, mostly change, and people in Detroit often work in canada, or live there and come to Detroit to work.

Why do you think they never use the United States flag? It's not the civilization USA, it's the civilization of America. Or perhaps more specifically North America.

So no, your not going to see a special "Canada" civ, probably ever. Deal with it. There won't be a USA one either.

They don't use the flag because even they being probably mostly Americans know that a US flag in 4000 BC would be quite ridiculous, given the fact that that nation has been around for a mere 231 years.

And what would Canada be like in the game? Hm, their UU would be the lumberjack (replaces worker). He gets a 25% bonus for chopping. And the UB would be the log house, a special improvement like a hut that can be built in tundra and ice :D

No idea for a leader, though. Did Canada ever have one known outside of its borders? Or even within?

1. No new maps
2. No fix for Air and Naval unit warfare
3. No fix for Unit production cost (it's too low)
4. No graphic speed enhancement
5. No better AI
6. No new tile improvements (ex. Land/Water minefield, No new resources, etc)
7. No new religions
8. No new civics
9. No support Win-Lose-Dis system for Multiplayers (Unofficial Ladder report system is ridiculous)
10. No new patch for Warlords

P.S.
11. No CANADA


Totally agree with the Win-Lose system for MP. The sky truly is the limit with this but Firaxis has dropped the ball TERRIBLY on this subject. Look at what games like CnC3 or Warcraft 3 have done! Video games as a 'sport' is HUGE right now. Logging in, playing a game, then logging out just doesn't cut it. And yes, the ladder report system is ridiculous...no matter how much they hype it up.

16. No I-WIN button
17. No Better Player program
18. No Giant Death Robots in the epic game. I want Transformers kicking my enemy's ass.
19. No new planet scripts - Mars at least would have been nice
20. Weak nukes not fixed
21. Nukes still cause Global Warming and not Nuclear Winter
22. Environmentalism does not stop Global Warming
23. The game is still extremely difficult without exploiting animals
24. No nudist Ecotopia civic
25. Still no option other than to play as humans

I could think of more.


PS: 26. No POLAND or uber samurai SECOND JAPANESE LEADER. How do you Pole dance or make sushi like this?

18 is inncorrect. You can actually have GDRs in the epic game now.

Tell a Canadian that they are a part of America and you will get a rather rude response. In fact our whole identity is that we are not American. Though are currency is almost the same except we use coins for 1$, and 2$ cause we like to preserve our lush forests. We have a similar culture although our ethnicity is much more diverse and we have two official languages, we don't follow the whole melting pot idea. We also, and this may come as a shock to you, like Hockey. As for great leader that is internationally known I should think Lester Pearson should be known since he was the main player in resolving the Suez Canal crisis and put forward the idea of the UN force, although sadly today Canada plays a much smaller role in the UN.

Why do I prattle on about Canada in a forum regarding why someone won't buy the game? Because nobody cares. ;)

In fact our whole identity is that we are not American.

That's sad, seriously. Had me laughing, though.

1. No new maps
2. No fix for Air and Naval unit warfare
3. No fix for Unit production cost (it's too low)
4. No graphic speed enhancement
5. No better AI
6. No new tile improvements (ex. Land/Water minefield, No new resources, etc)
7. No new religions
8. No new civics
9. No support Win-Lose-Dis system for Multiplayers (Unofficial Ladder report system is ridiculous)
10. No new patch for Warlords

P.S.
11. No CANADA

The other solutions is to buy of of russian cracked copy for 2,5 euro! There will be plenty of them here, so maybe this time it is an option not to buy original version?


btw! I like Russian ignorance of copy rights or patents . You can copy everything you want and sell it even in shop hehe. Best crackers have even other crackers who are copying their copies - just free market.

Sitting here with a vintage AMD XP1500 with a Geforce 5200fx trying desperately to get Warlords loading....:sad: :sad:

Tell a Canadian that they are a part of America and you will get a rather rude response.

Ever notice how everyone outside of North America claims that "America" refers to the Western Hemisphere?

12) No lava stage. What sort of video game doesn't have a lava stage? Even the fantasy mod is some crummy ice thing!

13) They included the Holy Roman Empire, creating a horrific taint that has spread throughout the entire code. Not even modding the HRE out will be able to save the disk. We must kill it with fire.

14) No Hitler. Why is Hitler never in these games? It's not as if Firaxis would be opening the door to massive controversy for no real effect or anything.

15) They cut Superrobo. Now Superrobo will never be repaired. Curse you, Firaxis! Robots can learn to love!

lol. lava stage.

15) What? What? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Sorry to bother you guys, does anybody know when Bts will be on sale here in Japan and which is the minimal pc system requirements to play it? I'm afraid my computer won't run Bts.Thanks in advance.

PS: I already looked for in other threads and did not find the answer, about pc system.if this is the wrong thread to ask about it, I do apologise.

EDIT 2:
What new maps would you like to have in? Could you post an example?
I'm really interested in this.

@ Rebakan


RECOMMENDED SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS:

1.8GHz Intel Pentium 4 or AMD Athlon processor or equivalent/better
512 MB RAM
128 MD Video Card w/ DirectX 8 support (pixel and vertex shaders)
DirectX 9.0c compatible sound card
CD-ROM Drive
1.7GB of free hard drive space
DirectX 9.0c (included)

MINIMUM SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS:
1.2GHz Intel Pentium 4 or AMD Athlon processor or equivalent
256MB RAM
CD-ROM Drive
64 MB Video Card w/Hardware T&L (GeForce 2/Radeon 7500 or better)
DirectX 9.0c compatible sound card
1.7 GB of free hard drive space
Direct X 9.0c (included)

That is official report but you will actually need somewhat better PC if you want to play huge maps with lots of civs and without lagging in latter stages.

I won't be buying BTS, It was pre-ordered on father's day by Marciv the younger!

Sitting here with a vintage AMD XP1500 with a Geforce 5200fx trying desperately to get Warlords loading....:sad: :sad:

now thats a good reason not to buy BTS.

It's a good reason to buy a new computer...

coming from the world of warcraft forums i can say please dont feed the trolls it will only encourage them

This one is a pet troll.

18 is inncorrect. You can actually have GDRs in the epic game now.

Huh? Where did you get this rubbish from?

Do you think it's enough to be called BTS?

Considerable content has been added to the modern era.
New Technologies:

Classical Age
Aesthetics: Fills the space between writing and literature and drama.

Renaissance
Military Science: Allows new promotions

Modern Age:
Advanced Flight: Lies between Flight and Stealth and allows players to build gunships and jet fighters, obsoletes Stables.
Laser: Allows for construction of Mobile SAMs and Mobile Artillery.
Superconductor: Allows for Laboratories and certain spaceship parts.
Stealth: At the very end of the tree and opens up the chance to build stealth units.

These are not the new Technologies. It's already in Warlords.

Huh? Where did you get this rubbish from?

From here http://www.2kgames.com/civ4/beyondthesword/
Look under Scenarios=>next war


It's an option though

Espionage? Corporations? Events?
It's like you called Civ4 bad because it was just civ 3, except boosted graphic.

Let's see now...

1. No new maps - use fractal setting, or world editor. There will be new scenarios with new maps though.

2. No fix for Air and Naval unit warfare - they seem fine to me

3. No fix for Unit production cost (it's too low) - same as above

4. No graphic speed enhancement - my game has great graphics speed. It must be your computer.

5. No better AI - AI is being improved

6. No new tile improvements (ex. Land/Water minefield, No new resources, etc) - the fort has been upgraded. What new tile improvements would you want anyways?

7. No new religions - 7 religions aren't enough for you?

8. No new civics - similar to above, we have enough civics. Some civics will be changes slightly though (i.e. state property won't allow corporations)

9. No support Win-Lose-Dis system for Multiplayers (Unofficial Ladder report system is ridiculous) - I'm not into MP so I'm not sure what you're talking about

10. No new patch for Warlords - I don't have Warlords (epic game content will be included in BtS though :))


P.S.
11. No CANADA - edit a civ to create Canada


beat that! ha! (sorry I just needed to do that)

16. No I-WIN button
17. No Better Player program
18. No Giant Death Robots in the epic game. I want Transformers kicking my enemy's ass.
19. No new planet scripts - Mars at least would have been nice
20. Weak nukes not fixed
21. Nukes still cause Global Warming and not Nuclear Winter
22. Environmentalism does not stop Global Warming
23. The game is still extremely difficult without exploiting animals
24. No nudist Ecotopia civic
25. Still no option other than to play as humans

I could think of more.


PS: 26. No POLAND or uber samurai SECOND JAPANESE LEADER. How do you Pole dance or make sushi like this?

27. No resource trading option (NTT is good, I want NRT. Without NRT, Corporations will be nerfed)

Will there be new resources?
<alexman> No new resources, but old resources are now more important because of corporations.

AI trades with AIs during the always war option is on.

Expansive Trait now only grants a 25% bonus to worker production instead of 50%.

28. Expansive trait is ruined. (It stinks. Do you think 50% is overpowered?)

#1 reason not to buy BTS

Unconfirmed rumours that they replaced both Tokigawa and Isabella with a new Colossian leaderhead!

Seriously you don't want to play civ, go play "Space Empires V" or something. Some of us are buying the expansion because . . . we like the game.

Deleted....

we like the game.

Agree.

29. You like to pay money for Official Mod Pack for $29.99.

27. No resource trading option (NTT is good, I want NRT. Without NRT, Corperations will be nerfed)


What doest that mean? And you already decided that corporations will be nerfed without every playing BtS. (corperations?-I suppose you mean corporations- might as well mean cooperations)

From here http://www.2kgames.com/civ4/beyondthesword/
Look under Scenarios=>next war

That's not in the epic game.

These are not the new Technologies. It's already in Warlords.
Warlords, which I bought, didn't have any new technologies. So these are indeed unique for the Beyond the Sword expansion pack.

If you don't like all of the features they are giving to you, which is including Warlords, then don't buy it. You're just an example of a person who will never be satisfied. We don't need a pointless thread to hear you rant.

That's not in the epic game.

Yes it is. You can mod it in.

Most about this expansion looks exceptional! My only gripes are:

* We got privateers, but I still miss the coastal raiding pirates from Civ 1-2
* No new resources (I want seals, peat, tobacco and rubber back!)
* No new terrain improvements!
* No new animals (how about crocodiles, snakes, sharks and giant squids?)
* I also miss some military units (Dreadnought, biplane, Super Battleship, Super Carrier)
* More naval/air promotions (Torpedo, Carpet Bomber, ASW, AA)

* No new animals (how about crocodiles, snakes, sharks and giant squids?)

If a wolf has Strength 1, how much strength would a snake have? And what should a shark do? Ram your boats until they sink? :confused:

Troll/spam thread, closed.

Folks that wonder why no mods closed it, in the future please use the 'report post' function instead of making a post asking why no mods have closed it yet.