Hi all,

I pre-ordered BTS only 2-3 days ago. Today the games store told me I can come in to collect BTS on Wednesday 18th!!! :shifty:

The games store shall remain nameless to protect the guilty! :lol:

If that holds true - I'll post some info here...

p.s. small hint - it is a well known chain (i.e. not some random store).

According to a post on Apolyton, BTS is downloadable as bittorrent.

Just so you know, I'm infecting any BtS torrent I find with viruses.

Wanna run the risk that the one you downloaded didn't just DL from me? ;)

Nice try. ;)

What, you think I wouldn't do it?

I believe you would, just not seeing how ( unless you putted yourself a infected copy... that would be just mean)

Checking out the UK store websites, they have BTS listed as coming in 20th July instead of the 27th July. I can't see it being released until the official dates Firaxis gave out, but it does seem unusual that they're all quoting 20th July.

Isolated VMWare machine routed exclusively as a DMZ. Then supernode myself and re-publish any BtS torrents I see, after adding my bits. If you're careful, it'll re-publish exactly the same so when someone else uploads that little bit of the whole torrent from you, it screws them. ;)

Sneaky, but I hate seeing my 12 months of work on the game end up like this, even before release.

I just did a reasonably thorough search of torrents (and I'm *cough*ahem..lets say pretty well informed in torrent kingdom), and what I'm guessing someone at apolyton has seen, is spam included in various torrent sites that purports (how u spell that word?) to point to torrent info when it doesn't.

Even a quick google search for "beyond the sword torrent" produces several results, none of them are actual torrents. These sites give a bad name to some of us who like to share stuff legally *cough* *splutter* (mutter- black pots and kettles in no particular order)

If there really is a complete BTS torrent out there, I'd personally be amazed, and would want nothing to do with it, I'll be visiting the store on Friday (some have said this is release day) and demanding they sell me the game :)

What, you think I wouldn't do it?

Actually, that was kind of directed at both of you (you and the thread starter), i.e. a) I don't believe that BTS really is out and b) I don't see how that would work.

(AFAIK for BT the download is divided up in chunks and those are protected by a checksums. So, as r_rolo1 already said, all you could do would be to set up a fake torrent, but not really infect downloads started by others.)

EDIT: You posted while I was writing this. Interesting. You obviously know more about the matter than me. :)

EDIT2: Hm .. thinking a little about it, while I'll concede that it might be technically possible to tarnish a torrent download in the way you described, it's probably extremely difficult. Otherwise, there wouldn't be fully working torrents out there all the time. Especially if you factor in that the companies of the pirated games have assets far beyond of that of a single person (like you) at their disposal.
(Also, small nitpick, wouldn't changing bits in the download only screw it up, not infect it with a virus?)

BTS is released the same day in Canada as the USA right?

Isolated VMWare machine routed exclusively as a DMZ. Then supernode myself and re-publish any BtS torrents I see, after adding my bits. If you're careful, it'll re-publish exactly the same so when someone else uploads that little bit of the whole torrent from you, it screws them. ;) The checksum hashes would be different ;)
Sneaky, but I hate seeing my 12 months of work on the game end up like this, even before release.And don't blame, us, blame Fireaxis for not putting a demo out :p
I mean, the only people that would download it now would be the people who pre-ordered it and can't wait, I reckon :)

5 more days, people! :P

Allrigt, Im going crazier than Perpentach here :crazyeye:

Which date is BTS most likely to be released at in Europe-North America?
18th, 20th, 23rd or 27th?

Well, the official thing is 23 for North America and 27 for Europe... The other ones are vented by ressellers ( maybe to increase sells ( remember the 10th July of Amazon? ;) )

The release date is the 23rd, for NA. That is when it will be out.

The above person most likely was misinformed, and given the release date of Civ Gold Edition which comes out on the 18th.

Just so you know, I'm infecting any BtS torrent I find with viruses.

Wanna run the risk that the one you downloaded didn't just DL from me? ;)

So, does this mean whatever mod from you is suspect? I mean, you are threatening a certain kind of people now... ;)

I just did a reasonably thorough search of torrents (and I'm *cough*ahem..lets say pretty well informed in torrent kingdom), and what I'm guessing someone at apolyton has seen, is spam included in various torrent sites that purports (how u spell that word?) to point to torrent info when it doesn't.

Even a quick google search for "beyond the sword torrent" produces several results, none of them are actual torrents. These sites give a bad name to some of us who like to share stuff legally *cough* *splutter* (mutter- black pots and kettles in no particular order)

If there really is a complete BTS torrent out there, I'd personally be amazed, and would want nothing to do with it, I'll be visiting the store on Friday (some have said this is release day) and demanding they sell me the game :)

I've seen a BTS torrent too, but even if it was a working copy and not a fake, the uploader's comment said there's no crack yet, so at least it'll be useless to most people for now (not that it should take the usual suspects long to whip up a crack if it is a proper copy). But of course you never know if the advance copy it's based on was actually the latest version, one might just download a bottle full of bugs there.

*crosses fingers that the retail release won't be such a bottle*

Well, a release on the 27th in Europe seems strange. Ive looked around now and found four different northern european pc/console chains stating the 20th as the release date...What to make of that?

Well, a release on the 27th in Europe seems strange. Ive looked around now and found four different northern european pc/console chains stating the 20th as the release date...What to make of that?

I didn't search that much but both Amazon(UK) and play.com say the 20th July for the release date. It'll be interesting to find out which date turns out to be correct. :lol:

I'm getting it on Friday 20th.

Here in Switzerland all shops I checked have July 20th as a release date.

I think it will really come out the 20th. It's a friday which makes sense and IIRC the original Civ4 was out sooner in Europe than in the US and I was one of the first to get it:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=132956

Ahh, the memories!

Rince

So are you going to gloat at us again?

All of the European and Australian stores seem to say the 20th while all of the North American stores seem to say the 24th.

@Laurence: Can you at least let us know if you're in North America or not?

I can see the store getting BtS confused with Civ IV:Gold, however having BtS and Civ IV Gold out on the shelves on the same day would make perfect business sense. You would tempt a lot of people who don't have Civ IV into walking out of the store with both.

While having BtS a week early would be nice I'm not holding my breath.

So are you going to gloat at us again?

Your wish is my command.

Rince

@Laurence: Can you at least let us know if you're are in North America or not?

Trace him :p

Just so you know, I'm infecting any BtS torrent I find with viruses.
Good for you. Everyone needs a hobby.

I've pre ordered from Amazon . They say 19th or 20th.

I've seen a BTS torrent too, but even if it was a working copy and not a fake, the uploader's comment said there's no crack yet, so at least it'll be useless to most people for now (not that it should take the usual suspects long to whip up a crack if it is a proper copy). But of course you never know if the advance copy it's based on was actually the latest version, one might just download a bottle full of bugs there.

*crosses fingers that the retail release won't be such a bottle*
Krhm, actually, one can get uncracked work without cracks with certain software, i used that certain software to get my legit copy of civ4 work because it was complaining about my certain software

20th July also in Italy.I think that for Europe the right date is 20 not 27, 20 july release date allow shops to ship the game on 23 which is monday and is the USA release date, 20 july infact is friday so it's unlikely that BtS will be shipped to our home that day.Hopefully we will get our hands on that game between 23-24 July otherwise we have to wait until end July/first days of August.

Krhm, actually, one can get uncracked work without cracks with certain software, i used that certain software to get my legit copy of civ4 work because it was complaining about my certain software

Of course, but I think not that many people know how to do it, out of the high number of people who would download an illegal copy.

:D

I was so peed off as I thought I had to wait til the 30th, but they've moved it forward! WAHEY!

Sorry, I might be getting a little overreacted, but oh well. :)

So, does this mean whatever mod from you is suspect? I mean, you are threatening a certain kind of people now... ;)

Actually I'd be more liable to trust dales mods since he got so pissed on this. I've been playing civ since it came out, each version gets patches and several expansions, and the next version is usually out before I'm done enjoying the last one.

Unlike, say music, where the performer does one piece of work and then reaps royalties forever on nothing at all, Sid supports the game after I get it, and improves on it, plus he usually gives modders the ability to alter the games with freely distributed mods, and even brings the better modders into the official team.

Also unlike music where someone who improves a song and sings it in public is liable to be sued, and has really no chance of joining the band.

The contrasts can go on forever. I generally see copyright laws as theft from the public, and point to great works such as the odessy and illiad which were altered through eons before reaching their present form, and the silliness of not allowing people to write of their life experiences because they include say . . . watching a cartoon who's name is copyrighted.

But stealing BTS before it's even released? If nobody every paid a dime to firaxis for this game why would they give us that third expansion I want? Why would they give us that next patch? That next tool to help mod?

Firaxis does something beyond just singing one song on stage, and they have a job supporting the product after it's out. Unlike micheal jackson stealing royalties on all those beatles songs he never sang. lol

This is where the "moral grey area" becomes much less grey. I can honestly say that bit-torrenting this work isn't just stealing from firaxis, it's stealing from yourself and the rest of us. That kind of person . . . is the guy who isn't thinking about morality (which can come into play with other kinds of copyright) or legality, or even value (what is the value of something in infinite supply?) but of sheer stupidity.

Firaxis is still working supporting the game, there is no infinite supply of support, games never make money from a paid concert, and no studio is taking all of sids money (I hope). The only reason to nab this is greed and stupidity. If you get zapped on that . . . I'm less than sympathetic.

Actually I'd be more liable to trust dales mods since he got so pissed on this. I've been playing civ since it came out, each version gets patches and several expansions, and the next version is usually out before I'm done enjoying the last one.

Any specific reason you picked me to vent? I thought there was a clear ";)" behind my post, which should indicate something like "hey, I'm joking".

Sorry about that geo, nothing personal to you, your post just summed up the whole grrrrrr . . . so it got hit. I don't think I even noticed the smiley. lol.

These torrent folks really rub me the wrong way.

Isolated VMWare machine routed exclusively as a DMZ. Then supernode myself and re-publish any BtS torrents I see, after adding my bits. If you're careful, it'll re-publish exactly the same so when someone else uploads that little bit of the whole torrent from you, it screws them. ;)

Sneaky, but I hate seeing my 12 months of work on the game end up like this, even before release.

thats pretty cool that you're going to spread computer virii on the internet. very professional. good luck on ever getting firaxis or someone else to waste their time on you.

Wow - this thread went way off-topic with BitTorrent.

Anyway - I'm in Australia. And the games store (big chain - can be found in the US aswell) has confirmed that BEYOND THE SWORD (not Gold Edition) can be picked up on the 18th.

Maybe thats when they get stock, and they got it wrong - I dont know - but Wednesday the 18th in Australia I will advise (which is Tuesday night for you guys because of Timezones differences) if I got it or not.

Cheers.

Chode, if you want to vent-vent at the morons who decided it would be a blast to post an illegal copy of the game on Bittorrent & not at the guy who-aside from being a fellow Australian-has created THE BEST WWII mod for Civilization ever created!!!!

Aussie_Lurker.

Wow - this thread went way off-topic with BitTorrent.

Anyway - I'm in Australia. And the games store (big chain - can be found in the US aswell) has confirmed that BEYOND THE SWORD (not Gold Edition) can be picked up on the 18th.

Maybe thats when they get stock, and they got it wrong - I dont know - but Wednesday the 18th in Australia I will advise (which is Tuesday night for you guys because of Timezones differences) if I got it or not.

Cheers.
Very interesting....which shop?

BTS is released the same day in Canada as the USA right?
Amazon.ca lists it as July 24th, while Amazon.com July 23rd. In any case I'm gonna go to the local EBGames on Monday and find out when they get it, 'cause I'm not waiting for it to be delivered. :)

Amazon.de changed the release date to the 27th two days ago(initially it was the 20th). So did another german retailer (okaysoft.de).

The Dutch bol.com site still has my order listed for the 20th though.

The Dutch bol.com site still has my order listed for the 20th though.
Just checked bol.de.. they still have the 20th as the release date, too. But i won't bet on it.
But what really surprises me at bol is the price for bts. 23,98 Euros instead of 29,99. That's a nice price. Maybe I should cancel my preorder from amazon.

Wow - this thread went way off-topic with BitTorrent.

Anyway - I'm in Australia. And the games store (big chain - can be found in the US aswell) has confirmed that BEYOND THE SWORD (not Gold Edition) can be picked up on the 18th.

Maybe thats when they get stock, and they got it wrong - I dont know - but Wednesday the 18th in Australia I will advise (which is Tuesday night for you guys because of Timezones differences) if I got it or not.

Cheers.Hmmm. That seems a little suspect. I can see the person who told you getting it confused with Gold - dispite the clarification you were given.

I'm in Australia too. Does anyone have a decisive, confirmed and consistant date for Australia? I had it in my head that it would be a week after the Civfanatic's countdown, as it was with previous releases. I didn't expect it to be this close.

Sorry long time reader of the forums, I'm in Australia as well have been told it is coming out on the 18th as well and my store has been acccurate so far.
It will be a very interesting wednesday, i think.

Sorry long time reader of the forums, I'm in Australia as well have been told it is coming out on the 18th as well and my store has been acccurate so far.
It will be a very interesting wednesday, i think.

God I hope so. As usual I'm working all weekend so it'd be great to have a few days with the game rather than pick it up friday and then stew about not being able to play it :mad:

Just checked bol.de.. they still have the 20th as the release date, too. But i won't bet on it.
But what really surprises me at bol is the price for bts. 23,98 Euros instead of 29,99. That's a nice price. Maybe I should cancel my preorder from amazon.

Yeah, bol.com has one of the lowest prices for BTS.
I'm still crossing my fingers and hoping my copy arrives on the 20th though.
Although it wouldn't be to be if it take another week. I'm pretty busy anyway. :D

game.co.uk still lists the release date as 20 July, and they have always been true to their release dates, to my knowledge. :confused:

Apparently, Europe seems to be getting it on Friday 20th according to just about any retail site. Could someone from Firaxis / Taketwo if they are browsing confirm the worldwide release dates? Pls :)

Sorry long time reader of the forums, I'm in Australia as well have been told it is coming out on the 18th as well and my store has been acccurate so far.
It will be a very interesting wednesday, i think.Cool. I'll have to contact my store tomorrow and see. Wednesday will be interesting day indeed.

thats pretty cool that you're going to spread computer virii on the internet. very professional. good luck on ever getting firaxis or someone else to waste their time on you.

Somehow I doubt if pirates got infected that games companies would be upset. ;)

Also, ever heard of "poking fun"? Obviously (as pointed out above) what I said I'd do is impossible due to hashing. :rolleyes:

But I'm still pissed off at pirates ripping off the game. :mad:

Early release indeed! It's available from Play.co.uk (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=231501)now! :)

Oh by the way hate to point this is out but this has happened before in aus with BF2142. Came out a day before everywhere else, none of the official servers were up, very funny though. Maybe we are the lucky country, lol.

Somehow I doubt if pirates got infected that games companies would be upset. ;)

Also, ever heard of "poking fun"? Obviously (as pointed out above) what I said I'd do is impossible due to hashing. :rolleyes:

But I'm still pissed off at pirates ripping off the game. :mad:It happens to every populair game.

So instead of being angry, be proud that the game is high-profile enough to haven taken the pirates' interest :)
(trying to bring a silver lining to the dark piracy cloud)

Somehow I doubt if pirates got infected that games companies would be upset. ;)

Also, ever heard of "poking fun"? Obviously (as pointed out above) what I said I'd do is impossible due to hashing. :rolleyes:

But I'm still pissed off at pirates ripping off the game. :mad:Yeah, I agree. I'd love to be left alone in a room with a software pirater or a spammer....

It may not mean that much to most people, but it has a whole new meaning when you build something that you're actually proud of. Then the thought of it being pirated actually becomes disgusting.

Well amazon.co.uk are supposed to be dispatching my order on the 19th, so fingers crossed...

GamesMarket thinks its a role playing game, and only gave it 4 stars????

http://www.gamesmarket.com.au/details.php?ProdID=509068

gameplay.co.uk, is confirmed shipping on Thursday for arrival Friday, so woot!

edit: lol wilboman.. posted at same time!

I find it interesting to note that gamesmarket have a load of garbled Swedish text in their review, though.

Oh, and Chode: that's viruses. Not everything that ends in -us becomes -i plural. I, for one, would applaud it if Dale could pull his virus-spreading off. Although I know it can't be done:(

My local gaming shop in the Netherlands still says it will be for sale on friday and even more amazing the price is supposed to be 16.99 euros. Even cheaper than bol.com

My local gaming shop in the Netherlands still says it will be for sale on friday and even more amazing the price is supposed to be 16.99 euros. Even cheaper than bol.com

Interesting, what's the shop called and where is it, if I may ask?

My local gaming shop in the Netherlands still says it will be for sale on friday and even more amazing the price is supposed to be 16.99 euros. Even cheaper than bol.com16,99!
That's cheaper than the usual 19,99 (which I paid at bol.com)

Oh, well, Bol.com can have my 3 euros of profit :lol:

Here in Switzerland all shops I checked have July 20th as a release date.

I think it will really come out the 20th. It's a friday which makes sense and IIRC the original Civ4 was out sooner in Europe than in the US and I was one of the first to get it:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=132956

Ahh, the memories!

Rince

yes, i remember that :D

in austria, germany and switzerland we had the game a few days before the rest of the world...

maybe maybe??... now i have to go to my beloved gamestore round the corner!

When I ordered several weeks ago with our biggest game retailer (I assume anyway), it was July 20th and to my knowledge it still is. Price was quoted as AU$50 (~US$43). I'm in Australia btw. I thought I was lucky but now I learn there's a guy down here getting it on the 18th! Unbelievable!:D

When I ordered several weeks ago with our biggest game retailer (I assume anyway), it was July 20th and to my knowledge it still is. Price was quoted as AU$50 (~US$43). I'm in Australia btw. I thought I was lucky but now I learn there's a guy down here getting it on the 18th! Unbelievable!:DIsn't that a bit... expensive?
As mentioned before the game is available at around 27 Aussie-dollars. I paid 31 Australian dollars (20 euro).

What is making me nervous is that Amazon.de and Okaysoft.de have suddenly pushed back the release date to the 27th :eek: . Bol.de still says it will be the 20th though...
I think I should consider suicide :nuke: ( don´t tell me that I have no life, I know that too well ;) ) . One week before release, my laptop melts down so I won´t be able to play it via LAN with my gf and then... BTS was my only hope of coping with reality and getting a rest from trying to attain my degree :cry: .

Regardin the price, look at this site ;)

Italian GameStop: http://www.gamestop.it/Default.aspx?quickSearch=beyond%20the%20sword&random=244221969

I don't know whether to be happy or jealous for everybody in Europe/Australia. Everything here in North America is still pointing for a release next week.

Regardin the price, look at this site ;)

Italian GameStop: http://www.gamestop.it/Default.aspx?quickSearch=beyond%20the%20sword&random=244221969

only 15 Euro in Italy??
can this be true?

on amazone.de you have to pay 30 Euro :eek:

only 15 Euro in Italy??
can this be true?

on amazone.de you have to pay 30 Euro :eek:That's far too much.
I paid 20 euro's and it's not the cheapest Dutch online store (bol.com), so 15 to 20 euro is more of the normal price.

There must be some cheaper German webshop? :)

i dont buy it at amazone because i have other ways to get it faster but 100% more (30 instead of 15 Euro) is quite rude!

only 15 Euro in Italy??
can this be true?

on amazone.de you have to pay 30 Euro :eek:You can make use of the "Tiefstpreisgarantie" at Amazon.de in order to get the lowest prices. When you see a retailer (on- or offline) where "Beyond the Sword" costs less than at Amazon you can report that to amazon and you will get the difference creditet.

The cheapest price in germany i have seen so far is at bol. de at around 24 €.

You can make use of the "Tiefstpreisgarantie" at Amazon.de in order to get the lowest prices. When you see a retailer (on- or offline) where "Beyond the Sword" costs less than at Amazon you can report that to amazon and you will get the difference creditet.
See here (http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/002-1104254-4643255?ie=UTF8&nodeId=468502#guarantee) for Amazon's price garantee rules.
The cheapest price in germany i have seen so far is at bol. de at around 24 €.That's odd. Bol.com (The Dutch Bol) is 4 euro's cheaper.

Isn't that a bit... expensive?
As mentioned before the game is available at around 27 Aussie-dollars. I paid 31 Australian dollars (20 euro).

Trust me, a game/expansion like this would never be released at AU$27 in Australia - that just sounds far too cheap, and frankly customers can easily afford it and happily pay that much. It doesn't bother me though really, as this and Civ 4 are the only games I've bought for the past 3 or 4 years. If anything it's underpriced considering the value I squeeze from it! :)

The higher price here could be due to any number of factors - some of which I wouldn't really understand. For one, the gaming retail market here is not so competitive (I suspect) as in Europe or the States so generally game prices will be a little higher and presumably even moreso on game releases.

Moreover, it is in a shopfront which would have higher overheads (costs) than most internet-based traders so I would expect a higher sale price than from, say, Amazon or bol.com etc.

How can this be happening when there has been no gold announcement? Can anyone confirm BTS Gold status?

Man, I hope it's going to be here soon. I'm quakeing in my boots in anticipation...

While gold announcements have become the norm and are useful to keep a title in the news, they aren't mandatory.

Isn't that a bit... expensive?
As mentioned before the game is available at around 27 Aussie-dollars. I paid 31 Australian dollars (20 euro).Trust me, a game/expansion like this would never be released at AU$27 in Australia - that just sounds far too cheap, and frankly customers can easily afford it and happily pay that much. It doesn't bother me though really, as this and Civ 4 are the only games I've bought for the past 3 or 4 years. If anything it's underpriced considering the value I squeeze from it! :)Yeah, the price will be AU$50. All expansion packs sold in Australia are generally AU$50 initially. I don't know where the AU$27 price came from. That would be a waste of time selling it in Australia for that price. Warlords cost AU$50 when it came out too IIRC.

Yeah, the price will be AU$50. All expansion packs sold in Australia are generally AU$50 initially. I don't know where the AU$27 price came from.The AU$27 comes from post #59 :)

I bought Civ Chronicles (Civ1/2/3/4 + cardgame) for a bit less than AU$50 (€29,95), so I'd doubt an expansion would cost that price.
But mind you, I ordered it online, I didn't go to the shop (where it was €50,- ~AU$75,-).

I was looking at prices for civ4 vanilla before the weekend..

It seems the prices for new copies of civ4 vanilla and warlords is generally at least twice as high in US as they are in Europe currently... I wonder why?

I was looking at prices for civ4 vanilla before the weekend..

It seems the prices for new copies of civ4 vanilla and warlords is generally at least twice as high in US as they are in Europe currently... I wonder why?I just had a look at the prices of Amazon.com for those games and they are outrageous ($38 for Civ4 and $28 for Warlords (against $24 and $18,-, CivChron is $41)).

Maybe because the rate of the dollar against the euro?

Or maybe it's something else? Higher game-tax in the US maybe? Or different post & packaging ratings?)

Or maybe there's a more competitive market in Europe? (which implies there might be a slight monopoly or price agreements in the US?)

Yeah, the price will be AU$50. All expansion packs sold in Australia are generally AU$50 initially. I don't know where the AU$27 price came from. That would be a waste of time selling it in Australia for that price. Warlords cost AU$50 when it came out too IIRC.

Actually if i remember Conquests for civ3 in Australia came out for $29.99 AUD and it was the second expansion too! Maybe this will be a cheapie?? heheh that would be awesome!

guys USA typically gets new releases on Monday, Europe is usually on Friday (just in time for the weekend, sos we don't miss work or school to play games)

The Us really should adopt the same so that there is a single release date world wide. They have produced the stock already, why not give everyone access at the same time... esp since the advent of bittorent...

guys USA typically gets new releases on Monday, Europe is usually on Friday (just in time for the weekend, sos we don't miss work or school to play games)

The Us really should adopt the same so that there is a single release date world wide. They have produced the stock already, why not give everyone access at the same time... esp since the advent of bittorent...

:lol: If you haven't noticed, the U.S. doesn't like to play by the international rules. Hell, we're still measuring length by the size of a King's foot...

Actually if i remember Conquests for civ3 in Australia came out for $29.99 AUD and it was the second expansion too! Maybe this will be a cheapie?? heheh that would be awesome!

Why are we talking like there is some confusion in the price? You can already order the thing at all the usual Australian internet game shops. The prices are there in black and white for anyone that can read.

Why are we talking like there is some confusion in the price? You can already order the thing at all the usual Australian internet game shops. The prices are there in black and white for anyone that can read.

Why are we talking about price at all! This is an expansion pack to the greatest game of all time and not some cheap hooker.

Rince

Why are we talking about price at all! This is an expansion pack to the greatest game of all time and not some cheap hooker.

Bravo!

BtS is not a prostitute! It's set to be the XP of XP's! Maybe we're a tad bored of waiting and discussing features, but theres only a week to go now!

Why are we talking about price at all! This is an expansion pack to the greatest game of all time and not some cheap hooker.

RinceEven if it's the most classy, beautiful, lovely, smart and expensive hooker, you still want the cheapest pimp don't you? :lol:

Maybe it's just plain pre-release stress ;)

I'm still surprised it's in stock on Play.com, I wouldn't be too shocked if some people who pre-ordered it get it on Wednesday.

The shop's name is Dynabite and they're in most major cities in the Netherlands.

The shop's name is Dynabite and they're in most major cities in the Netherlands.

It's probably 10 euro's cheaper then Belgium, but I don't think I get the petrol back for driving to the Netherlands. ;)

I hope it comes out on Friday here in Canada, since i cannot wait 1 more weekend without the game.

Well its all starting to turn pear shaped....

I rung the store today to see if I could pick it up early (:lol:).

They still have the ETA as tomorrow (for sale), but they dont have stock yet. Unless it arrives this afternoon, they cant actually sell it to me :(

But in saying that - it is definetely 100% Beyond the Sword, and not the gold edition, and they stick to their story that the system has a 'sale date' of the 18th.

Will keep you updated.

I went to a local computer games store, and enquired on the release date, and the guy had never even heard of it. I think I'll try a bigger store ;)

I bought Civ Chronicles (Civ1/2/3/4 + cardgame) for a bit less than AU$50 (€29,95), so I'd doubt an expansion would cost that price.
But mind you, I ordered it online, I didn't go to the shop (where it was €50,- ~AU$75,-).Ok. I'm refering to shop price. Expansions in Australia are usually AU$50 on release. The comment about Civ3 Conquests being AU$30 blows me away actually. I wonder whether that was a shop or online price.

Well its all starting to turn pear shaped....

I rung the store today to see if I could pick it up early (:lol:).

They still have the ETA as tomorrow (for sale), but they dont have stock yet. Unless it arrives this afternoon, they cant actually sell it to me :(

But in saying that - it is definetely 100% Beyond the Sword, and not the gold edition, and they stick to their story that the system has a 'sale date' of the 18th.

Will keep you updated.Yep, in Australia (Sydney) they confirmed it as being the 18th. He did say that it would most likely be on the shelves and ready for sale by lunchtime-ish thursday (19th). I'm going in to harrass them for an early copy tomorrow late afternoon to see :) (This is EB, I might add.)

Another update:

I rung a different store (yes - this is EB as per the post above) and they said they would be getting stock tomorrow morning (as in Wednesday 18th) - so I'm going to ring them tomorrow and possibly pick it up (fingers crossed).

Game, the store in the UK still says 20th.

Bad news for aussies, i checked with my local eb, i know the manager and he said maybe thursday (19th) at the earliest as their head office hasn't recieved the stock as yet. Heres hoping he's wrong. oops Wattiggi has already got the info.

I hope no one is going to think of downloading an illegal copy of BtS. I certainly won't touch it if it is there. Firaxis deserve the money for their great Civ software.

As for release dates...Amazon UK has stuck to its 20th release date, which sounds great to me! :D

I hope no one is going to think of downloading an illegal copy of BtS. I certainly won't touch it if it is there. Firaxis deserve the money for their great Civ software.



Not even if they have already preordered it, but wants to play it as soon as possible?

It's just a question, by the way. I'm not implying anything. Seriously, I'm not.

I would strongly urge anyone who did preorder not to mess with illegal copies. You never know what you are going to get in the way of spyware or viruses. Plus, it's just not a good thing to do in general.

I hope no one is going to think of downloading an illegal copy of BtS. I certainly won't touch it if it is there. Firaxis deserve the money for their great Civ software.

What makes you think a person won't pay for the game if they DL a copy of it a few days early?

I would strongly urge anyone who did preorder not to mess with illegal copies.

That would be impossible, since if you've pre-ordered you've already paid for it. You can't steal what you've paid for..

But it is so much more COOL to get the CD case...see the pics on the back...take off the plastic...open it up...smell the new ink...take out the paperwork, and insert the CD into your drive...*bling* - you click Install Civ4: Beyond the Sword...you read the manual and start drooling as your CD drive whirrs louder than a vacuum cleaner...then...it is finished. You click the icon, put down the manual, and get ready for the best expansion for Civ, ever.

Are you being sarcastic, vilemerchant? :rolleyes: If not, I won't waste my time trying to explain why pirating is bad.

Are you being sarcastic, vilemerchant? :rolleyes: If not, I won't waste my time trying to explain why pirating is bad.

His point was that its not piracy if you bought the game in the first place.

Not even if they have already preordered it, but wants to play it as soon as possible?

It's just a question, by the way. I'm not implying anything. Seriously, I'm not.I'm in this terrible Tantalus-situation.
I've pre-ordered it, so it'll be here in a few days, but my brother already has it.

I'm not going to play though, I keep telling myself it must be some unfinished version or something :lol:

On the other hand. I'm not sure what I'll do this weekend, if I don't got BTS on friday or saturday though.

But until now 'the power of Sid compels me' to keep the demon out ;)

Are you being sarcastic, vilemerchant? :rolleyes: If not, I won't waste my time trying to explain why pirating is bad.

I think you're getting your knickers in a knot for no reason. We ALL know that this game will be pirated like all games are. Half the posters in the Warlords section could be playing pirated Warlords (and I would bet a large minority of them are), this time next week BTS will be in that exact same situation, there'll be cracked exe's up on gamecopyworld and there'll be hundreds of opinions and threads about the game right here from both legitimate and illegitimate players.

His point was that its not piracy if you bought the game in the first place.

I understand what his point was; however, it does nothing to address what else I said.

I think you're getting your knickers in a knot for no reason. We ALL know that this game will be pirated like all games are. Half the posters in the Warlords section could be playing pirated Warlords (and I would bet a large minority of them are), this time next week BTS will be in that exact same situation, there'll be cracked exe's up on gamecopyworld and there'll be hundreds of opinions and threads about the game right here from both legitimate and illegitimate players.

Nobody is saying they can't give their opinions; I am simply trying to point out that pirating is frowned upon by this site, and any user who openly talks about it in a positive light will get warned and his post/thread will be deleted. If you don't believe me, I could point you to at least half a dozen threads I've seen that started with something like, "I have this no-CD cracked Warlords..."

That is, I would point you to them, but they were deleted. :)

what I find funny is the the fact that the Full version of BTS came out before the Final Frontier demo lol...

I could point you to at least half a dozen threads I've seen that started with something like, "I have this no-CD cracked Warlords..."

That's the insanity of it. Half of those threads probably then said '...because my CD got scratched/broken/lost and I didn't want to pay for a game TWICE that I already own' :)

That's the insanity of it. Half of those threads probably then said '...because my CD got scratched/broken/lost and I didn't want to pay for a game TWICE that I already own' :)

But there is a point to that. It's better to approach the problem with 100% enforcement of the rule, since otherwise there is a serious chance of the forum slowly degenerating into crack/pirate rubbish. Never underestimate the ability of internet denizens to wreck anything if left unchecked.

That's the insanity of it. Half of those threads probably then said '...because my CD got scratched/broken/lost and I didn't want to pay for a game TWICE that I already own' :)

I won't argue with that. There are people who buy the game fairly and then lose the CD or whatever and think it's unfair to have to pay for it again. I don't disagree with the sentiment. I am merely pointing out, however, that going the route of the pirates is not tolerated on this site, and I personally would steer clear of it.

BTW, several of those threads started innocently enough, "I... have to travel a lot / have several computers / have a laptop... and don't want to lug the CD around. Is there a no-CD crack?" These are also not allowed.

Anyway, let's not derail the thread...

Yes, it is frowned upon by this site, and for good reason. By using that BitTorrent (though is probably doesn't exist), you are supporting the pirates. Pirating is destructive to the companies that make good software, and is hardly ever justified. Anyway, why not wait if you have pre-ordered it? Just be patient ;).

Anyway, why not wait if you have pre-ordered it? Just be patient ;).

Exactly. It's not like you can't play Warlords while your waiting :lol:

what I find funny is the the fact that the Full version of BTS came out before the Final Frontier demo lol...

Yeah :lol:

Exactly. It's not like you can't play Warlords while your waiting

Yeah, that's it! And failing that, play Civ4 Vanilla. Fail that (have neither yet) then spend all your hours posting on this forum ;).

Yes, it is frowned upon by this site, and for good reason. By using that BitTorrent (though is probably doesn't exist), you are supporting the pirates. Pirating is destructive to the companies that make good software, and is hardly ever justified. Anyway, why not wait if you have pre-ordered it? Just be patient ;).

QFT.

On topic, I checked the Amazon US page, and it still reads July 23... I am going to be :mad: if our friends in the UK get it three days earlier, especially since it's released here.

On topic, I checked the Amazon US page, and it still reads July 23... I am going to be :mad: if our friends in the UK get it three days earlier, especially since it's released here.

Maybe you could pay $1 / hour to connect to someone's UK PC playing BtS remotely :lol:. Yeah, I don't see the sense in UK getting it sooner...though living in the UK that would suit me fine :D.

I'm sure everything is going to work out in the long run. Like, one week from now I think almost all tht threads in BtS forum will be about the new XP that everyone has played...no longer will we worry about when it is released.

They're probably making the discs in China and the Chinese are sending it to us early just to annoy you yankees:lol:

According to EB Australia, it comes out tomorrow! I sure hope its correct...

http://www.ebgames.com.au/pc/product.cfm?ID=6918

Wow, I'll have to pop into the Hobart EB tomorrow when I wake up tomorrow. Damn, I could be playing BTS in like 12 hours if that's true.

Hope they recieved the stock this afternoon, wonder about tassie though? Goes to melbourne then hobart, i wonder?

The Hobart EB usually has games the same day as the mainland ones. Usually.

When I asked at EB games today the girl checked the computer and said something along the lines of it still being at the warehouse and that generally not being a good sign that they'll have it available by the release date (18th). She said it 'may' be a few days late.

On topic, I checked the Amazon US page, and it still reads July 23... I am going to be :mad: if our friends in the UK get it three days earlier, especially since it's released here.

If it really does come out early in Europe then us Canucks and Yanks have to form a support group or something :lol: .

I'm wondering if the supposed early European release has to do with the fact that BtS is supposed to be on DVD over there and on CD in North America.

Why does North American publishers still have the need to support the ten people who still refuse to upgrade to a DVD-ROM anyways?:confused:

Elizabeth St EB in Melbourne told me today they'd have it tomorrow (18th). :D

Supposed to be shipped in tonight.

Elizabeth St EB in Melbourne told me today they'd have it tomorrow (18th). :D

Supposed to be shipped in tonight.

But don't you have a copy?

Or did they make you give it back?

As long as they have copies out in Ringwood or Chirnside Park EB I'll be happy.

Elizabeth St EB in Melbourne told me today they'd have it tomorrow (18th). :D

Supposed to be shipped in tonight.Awesome! I think I'm going to go tomorrow lunch (12 hrs from now) and see. Worst case is definitely thursday lunch, so cool, considering I didn't expect to get it until a week after the US got it :)

Hmmm. The US got Civ4 first. Europe got Warlords first (?) and maybe Australia gets BtS first?? What date has been confirmed for New Zealand?

My Dutch bol.com site still says that it will be released the 20th. I guess the Aussies really got their copy before the Europeans and the Americans. :D

Awesome! I think I'm going to go tomorrow lunch (12 hrs from now) and see. Worst case is definitely thursday lunch, so cool, considering I didn't expect to get it until a week after the US got it :)

Hmmm. The US got Civ4 first. Europe got Warlords first (?) and maybe Australia gets BtS first?? What date has been confirmed for New Zealand?

They're spreading the love, see?

BTS is released the same day in Canada as the USA right?

I hope it's faster. A lot of Cnadians here on the forum say that it comes out a little faster than the US because of "American Delays". :dunno: I'm going up there the day it supposedly comes out in the US, so I hope it's faster! :please:

When I asked at EB games today the girl checked the computer and said something along the lines of it still being at the warehouse and that generally not being a good sign that they'll have it available by the release date (18th). She said it 'may' be a few days late.

I'm in Australia and I also asked about BTS today. She told me the release is tomorrow but it in reality it may take a few days to get from the warehouse.

I am going to be :mad: if our friends in the UK get it three days earlier, especially since it's released here.

As I recall, didn't Europe get Warlords and Vanilla prior to the US? Either way, EB says I'll get it on the 24th, so that's what I'm expecting. I ordered mine from the store.

My mate runs a computer store... and he is playing it now at work... lol! Hes got my copy en route!

(its good to be the boss!)

troyDoogle7 , can you get one copy for me? :lol: Even with the mail delays I bet it would get here sooner than my pre ordered copy in amazon [pissed]

I'm holding on to the faint, faint, faint, faint hope that they goofed up on the North American release date and that my local EB will have a few copies of BtS when they get their weekly shipment tomorrow.



I'm quite aware that this won't happen and I'll have to wait a week before I get to play BtS.

Posted a thread on this already, but here goes again. Got this message from game.co.uk:

I am delighted to let you know that your Preorder for Civilization IV: Beyond the Sword is now being processed. The order will be despatched by your chosen delivery method in time to reach you for the morning of release.

By using the GAME 1st To Play Preorder Service you have ensured that you will be among the first people to receive Civilization IV: Beyond the Sword, and we are confident that you will be happy with the order, our service and our speedy delivery!

Getting it Friday. :goodjob:

Soon, the withdrawl will be over...

Aye there lots comments on minninova about the BTS torrent, also a thread in their forum, started by a guy saying somefin like "i got a copy of this, curious if anyone wants me to torrent it?" followed by a guy saying yer... and thats about it lol.

but the comments basically state, some people are having trouble getting it even installed. and no wont work without a crack, but are other tools that can get around that. One guy reports actually having it working, the rest, no. For some people it means it would be quicker to wait the 2 days (well thats how long here in oz) and buy it than try install it themselves.

Also i'd consider possibility of a pre release version? the guy uploading it didnt seem to have much interest in what he had hold of.. else he would have uploaded it without asking hehe

gee can you tell i didnt read the thread and saw that torrent 48 hours ago? news becomes old very fast *nods*

thats pretty cool that you're going to spread computer virii on the internet. very professional. good luck on ever getting firaxis or someone else to waste their time on you.

If they are serious about killing piracy that is the sort of stunts they need people doing.

Hi all,

I pre-ordered BTS only 2-3 days ago. Today the games store told me I can come in to collect BTS on Wednesday 18th!!! :shifty:

The games store shall remain nameless to protect the guilty! :lol:

If that holds true - I'll post some info here...

p.s. small hint - it is a well known chain (i.e. not some random store).

Wait, where are you? What country? In the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA??!!! AHHHH!!!! I made a list of all the electronic stores in the tristate area and I'm calling everyone of them to see if or when they will have it! :lol: But after, I'll feel :cool: . It's worth the trouble.

BtS sounds really cool, but I want to wait a little bit to see people's reactions first, maybe even wait for a patch (unlikely though).

I'm getting it this Thursday - Thank to sexy gameplay.com - ALWAYS receive game a day before the release date :) :)

I have to wait till' the 25th in the US, I don't know what I could get in Canada.

Can I still pre-order this game?

Aye there lots comments on minninova about the BTS torrent, also a thread in their forum, started by a guy saying somefin like "i got a copy of this, curious if anyone wants me to torrent it?" followed by a guy saying yer... and thats about it lol.

but the comments basically state, some people are having trouble getting it even installed. and no wont work without a crack, but are other tools that can get around that. One guy reports actually having it working, the rest, no. For some people it means it would be quicker to wait the 2 days (well thats how long here in oz) and buy it than try install it themselves.

Also i'd consider possibility of a pre release version? the guy uploading it didnt seem to have much interest in what he had hold of.. else he would have uploaded it without asking hehe


I would'nt download that.. its probably a virus that will destroy your comp..lol

But if it is the real thing that sucks for sales..

I wish they would offer their games for sale online like the galciv people. Hopefully D2D has it available for download at or near the release date :|

lol, i'll buy the thing.. thats whats its about


but these people downloading disapear.. they download n they disapear so i would suggest u not download or u might fry your comp

Something fishy's going on with all this downloading malarkey. Whatever happened to good ol' fashioned go down town and buying your copy?

I'm getting mine Saturday :D

But if it is the real thing that sucks for sales..
Not really. Those who download it probably wouldn't have bought it

but these people downloading disapear.. they download n they disapear so i would suggest u not download or u might fry your comp
Maybe they are busy playing their brand new BTS

Well, if I had downloaded the pirated version ,I wouldn't come here saying " Hey people, I've downloaded a pirated torrent BTS and I'm loving it.... " :lol: You know ,the forums rules....

Please don't post things designed to look like mod tags - it can earn you an instant ban.

:lol:


Hopefully, I can buy BtS today.... its so close.... want it more.... and mooore........ ................ moooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeee ......... :twitch:

Whatever happened to good ol' fashioned go down town and buying your copy?

Because I can purhase-download-extact-install and be playing it in an hour or less after seeing it depending on the connection. Plus no cd/dvd to worry about, and I can download it again if I lose it.

Think about it ppl... its not the real game..

How would it leak like that.. would u buy a copy just to put it online?
n ruin your copy...cause everyone else uses it then it get blacklisted or whatever

Not really. Those who download it probably wouldn't have bought it


Maybe they are busy playing their brand new BTS

Maybe there comp blew up sid cut there phone linesent archers storming there house

Think about it ppl... its not the real game..

How would it leak like that.. would u buy a copy just to put it online?
n ruin your copy...cause everyone else uses it then it get blacklisted or whatever

LOL. If it's not the real game it sure is a good fake.

I'll be pissed if they get it released in Europe first. I'm just waiting for the US release date to order it from Amazon! :(

See your comments, are only written to make ppl go download..

Why would the forum let u post this? n not delete?

Because my guess is that
Its a big inside joke..

"hey everyone go download the virus".. type thing

Edit:that was aimed towards vilemerchant

See your comments, are only written to make ppl go download..

Why would the forum let u post this? n not delete?

Because my guess is that
Its a big inside joke..

"hey everyone go download the virus".. type thing

Edit:that was aimed towards vilemerchant

Yes that's right. I have the virus and now I wish everyone else had it. Sort of like those people that try to pass on AIDS :lol:

Sadly, companies spend more on high end piracy blockers that are merely speed bumps to pirates, than they "lose" in sales to piracy...

Since the first piece of commercial software was released, people have pirated it..its a fact of life, like the wind blowing and the sun shining

Theres never been a real study done on the loss of revenue because of piracy, because theres no actual lost profit.

The fact is, if someone pirates a game, they werent going to pay for it regardless of if you can stop piracy or not.

If anything, some people are more persauded to purchase a game that uses a CD Key for multiplayer, with no safedisc or anti pirating software or "features" if they have pirated the game. And will be turned off from the "try before you buy" attitude, if theyre upset with the measures the developer took to keep them from (illegally i know) trying thier game before they purchased it.

If game designers didnt have to be the song birds for thier publishers, and didnt release games that needed several patches to work to thier maximum potential, people wouldnt need to try before they buy

If you want an example of how anti piracy hurt a game, look at Operation Flashpoint Armed Assault...or Sword of the Stars

If you want an example of how lack of anti piracy and good developer communication (and a good publisher, Stardock ftw) helped a lackluster game reach great sales numbers, look no further than Galactic Civilizations 2



edit:

And I find it silly, having worked in the industry, that any developer would point fingers at a pirate. I know for a fact most all of the major game development studios have pirated and unregistered software on thier work machines. If you think every dev for every game youve ever played, paid for Maya, or 3ds max, or wrote all thier own inhouse software, youd be sadly mistaken

But on this site...they dont talk about stealing

So why don't they delete the posts?

That's what that little triangle in the lower left corner of the verboten posts is for. :)

When people stop speeding, and litering, and doing drugs, and cheating on thier taxes..

Maybe people will stop pirating software too...


Heh...


Good luck with all that

They could be erasin the posts.. that way ppl would'nt know..

Stop with the piracy discussions.

Back on topic:
My copy is now "packing" at play.com, will be posted tomorrow and i will have it on Thursday.
Life is good...

I GOT THE GAME LEGITMATELY!!!!!!!!!!!

EB Games in Australia has the stock in stores, and is selling the game today.

So my Original Post holds true!

Go EB!!!!!!

p.s. no - I havent played it yet - I'm at work - but in 5 hours I'll be home and playing!

I can confirm this, wandered into eb during my lunch break to preorder rugby 2008 and was pleasantly suprised to see bts on the self. Come on clock, 4 more hours till home time...

I GOT THE GAME LEGITMATELY!!!!!!!!!!!

EB Games in Australia has the stock in stores, and is selling the game today.

So my Original Post holds true!

Go EB!!!!!!

p.s. no - I havent played it yet - I'm at work - but in 5 hours I'll be home and playing!

Confirmed. :) Melbourne Central EB has it.

Hobart EB has it as well! I got it!

Note to self: First BtS Earth map game I play, nuke Australia.

Note to self: First BtS Earth map game I play, nuke Australia.

:eek:

I gotta start running!

I've just bought the game via direct2drive.com; I was told it was not available for play yet, but was available for pre-load. Once I'd bought it, I discovered I couldn't pre-load it at all and it's not going to be available for download until the 24th July. Ah well, at least it's not too far away and I can finish off (for now) my Civ III project in peace this weekend before moving onto Civ IV.

Note to self: First BtS Earth map game I play, nuke Australia.Hehehehe!

I got it aswell.

I always knew Augustus was a ruthless bastard! (still one of my favorite historical figures though). I might give the WWII scenario a go soon, since Australia is playable in it. Any chance you could mod them into the epic game Dale?

I always knew Augustus was a ruthless bastard! (still one of my favorite historical figures though).

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

One of the best quotes to date! :D

Aw, what the heck, why wait for BtS? I'll just send up a few right now in Warlords... :mischief:

It's likely to be available in most places on the 18th I'd think. It's just that the 18th in Australia comes before nearly anywhere else!

Note to Australians:- Take the shiny plastic stuff off the box and open the case before trying to put the DVD in the drive :mischief:


Sorry just jealous that all ;)

:woohoo:

We got BtS first!!!!!

Australia got it first! Congrats all you aussies!! :D

This is the first time I have been waiting for a product before release, and been waiting in anticipation for its delivery. Usually I get them a year or so after they are released. Like, I only got Warlords in March, and Civ4 August before that. But this prerelease excitement is great!! :D I really like this xp too. Can't wait!

Maybe there is still some hope for us germans that we will get bts this week. According to some "rumors" bol.de is sending out a confirmation of dispatch. Amazon still says 27th as release date.

Note to self: First BtS Earth map game I play, nuke Australia.

A belated :lol: smiley to you Gaius. I was thinking the same thing, but logged on several hours to late to be the first to post this.

Lucky you all Neighbours lovers :(

I'll get it tomorrow even I'm in England.

Lucky you all Neighbours lovers :(

I'll get it tomorrow even I'm in England.

Actually I think it's the British that are the real Neighbours lovers. Just like Fosters beer, we export all our crap for British consumption :lol:

You are courting at best a yellow card warning from the mods if you talk about illegal activities such as that here.

The above is correct, and in these circumstances you could earn a week-long ban for it to preclude your talking about it pre-release.

The above is correct, and in these circumstances you could earn a week-long ban for it to preclude your talking about it pre-release.


Sorry, I'm confused - what exactly is verboten? Talking about the game pre-release? But if we're getting it from retailers, it's released, isn't it?

Sorry, I'm confused - what exactly is verboten? Talking about the game pre-release? But if we're getting it from retailers, it's released, isn't it?

Talking about pirating the game.

It's always against the rules, but the sort of "I got it on bittorrent" posts that we've seen around here lately will get particular attention.

Talking about pirating the game.

It's always against the rules, but the sort of "I got it on bittorrent" posts that we've seen around here lately will get particular attention.

Ah, OK, that makes sense. Threads had obviously been edited before I got here.

A world of forums without Civ discussion would be too terrible to contemplate!

Maybe there is still some hope for us germans that we will get bts this week. According to some "rumors" bol.de is sending out a confirmation of dispatch. Amazon still says 27th as release date.

Einige haben es bei uns heute auch schon bekommen (u.a. von bol.de). Brauchst blos mal in den BtS-Thread im deutschen Civforum reinschaun.
Anscheinend liefert bol.de schon großzügig aus :)

In short: In Germany some have bought it also today in some stores and online-stores.

I bought a copy of 'Beyond the Sword' today (Wednesday July 18th) in a shop called the Music Store in the center of Rotterdam, the Netherlands. It was the only store in the city that sold the game as far as I could tell. They had multiple copies, so if you live in or around Rotterdam, you can get your own copy there.

Actually I think it's the British that are the real Neighbours lovers. Just like Fosters beer, we export all our crap for British consumption :lol:

Your not wrong mate. Mark Viduka, Harry Kewell, Lucas Neill, Mark Webber .....the list is endless. :mischief:

Your not wrong mate. Mark Viduka, Harry Kewell, Lucas Neill, Mark Webber .....the list is endless. :mischief:

Even further off topic, isn't Jo Guest from Mansfield?

Excellent news. I checked online and it said BTS available on Friday 20th. I'm going to run down to my nearest EB store now and say goodbye to sleep for a few days.

Excellent news. I checked online and it said BTS available on Friday 20th. I'm going to run down to my nearest EB store now and say goodbye to sleep for a few days.

Erm, Dude? You live in Australia, its out NOW in your country.See Watiggis' "I got it thread"

Erm, Dude? You live in Australia, its out NOW in your country.See Watiggis' "I got it thread"

That's why I'm running to EB NOW

Even further off topic, isn't Jo Guest from Mansfield?

Glapwell, which is just outside Mansfield, about 2 miles from where I'm typing this. ;)

YES! BTS is also out at my local EB.....awesomeness plus, gonna go strait after work and play play play.....:goodjob:

and to all u citezens of good ole US of A, it's about time we got something before you...eg. we are only just now showing the end of season 3 episodes of Lost!:confused:

YES! BTS is also out at my local EB.....awesomeness plus, gonna go strait after work and play play play.....:goodjob:

and to all u citezens of good ole US of A, it's about time we got something before you...eg. we are only just now showing the end of season 3 episodes of Lost!:confused:

Well my mom liked them, but they were a 1 season series stretched to 3..(read crap)...Watch Heroes instead, now thats good :)

Edit Btw sorry ...welcome to Civfanatics :band:

Just "pre ordered" on direct2drive and still doesn't seem available...

Anybody managed to get it off here as yet?


(Actually - doesn't matter. Forgot about the time difference - downloading now!! 1 more hour till I can join the Aussies! Yayyy)