I just got done playing, and losing a game because of this. I'm not sure if it's a new random event feature or not. I started heavily using nukes and got a warning about how scientists thought the earths crust was like an eggshell and continued use of nukes might split the earths core. Whatever I thought, I had never seen this before and just ignored it.

Fast forward about 20 nukes later and I suddenly get a message saying I had been warned but had finally used so many nukes that I split the earths core open, losing the game. The barbarians were declared the winner.

Anyone run into this? It was surprising despite the warning from the scientists.

http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=civ4screenshot0001nf8.jpg

Edit: It's been confirmed that this only takes place if you play using the Next War MOD. So vanilla civ players have nothing to fear. Still, if you're playing next war..use those nukes wisely!

Hahahah, I can imagine your surprise xD

Sounds fun, hopefully it's random and doesn't always happen, nukes are there to be used!

lol!!! The guys at Firaxis put a LOT of thought into this

Could it be an easter egg referring to the movie Core? Where some super weapon destabilizes the core and bad things happen (like Rome being destroyed...)

Never saw the movie, thank goodness, from what I heard.

I so have to do this. :)

Haha, so does this make me the first civ'er to split the earths core in half and lose a game in the process? heh.

"We need the best goddam deep core driller in the world" (synth buzz, modulating 5th chord)...."I could stay awake, just to hear you breathing, watch your smile while you were sleeping"......NO, not him, he tried to shoot his daugthers boyfriend..........serves everyone right (apart from Dianne Warren, its a good song)

LAWL! That is freakin priceless. If I were losing the game, I would start flinging nukes everywhere just to drag everyone to hell with me.:evil:

If they put this as a permanent feature I'm going to head over to Firaxis with an axe and go on a heinous murder/rape spree.

Never used nukes myself (always get the UN decision before anyone can make them), but this sounds like something I must try out some day! :D

Screenshot please?

LAWL! That is freakin priceless. If I were losing the game, I would start flinging nukes everywhere just to drag everyone to hell with me.:evil:

:lol:

Greatest loss ever!

Have a screenshot? Or at least have an auto-save a few turns before it happened?

SWEET. This'll be the first thing I do when I get my own BtS. Also the first time I TRY to lose on a new game right away :lol: :lol:

Here's a screenshot.

http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=civ4screenshot0001nf8.jpg

Priceless woohoo

Thank you Firaxis: now we have a fool proof way of loosing the game with style ( c'mon, you don't break a planet in pieces everyday.. :lol: )

This is the most awesome thing I've ever heard. :lol:

Sweet! I see it as a nod to the old Chris Crawford game Balance of Power (which Sid mentioned as having inspired him to create the original Civ). In that game you fight a superpower cold war, and every confrontation was a game of chicken -- one side had to back down, or the risk of accidental war would increase with the tensions, until it got to defcon1 (intentional nuclear war). A black screen then came up and said (among other things) 'Everyone Loses."

I hope they keep this one in game sounds like a lot of fun.
But it should only activate when you nuke the same place over and over again.

Hope it is turned off in multiplayer due to poor losers exploiting it.

LMAO :lol: :lol: :lol:

Another reason to avoid using nukes.

Sweet! I see it as a nod to the old Chris Crawford game Balance of Power (which Sid mentioned as having inspired him to create the original Civ). In that game you fight a superpower cold war, and every confrontation was a game of chicken -- one side had to back down, or the risk of accidental war would increase with the tensions, until it got to defcon1 (intentional nuclear war). A black screen then came up and said (among other things) 'Everyone Loses."

Then Sid unfortunately had so little to do with BTS, The ai will have been programmed to do this, if it makes you lose, because its the "clever" thing for an ai to do.

I hope they keep this one in game sounds like a lot of fun.
But it should only activate when you nuke the same place over and over again.

Hope it is turned off in multiplayer due to poor losers exploiting it.

I'm guessing here, but I don't think every game would have this "feature". I think some game worlds like mine end up with thin crusts and you have to avoid using nukes while others might not ever have this thin crust problem. In which case I think it's pretty damm cool.

Thats hillarious, a classic for the civ books

Very cool indeed. I'll have to try this one out.:king:

Could you please post one of the autosaves from a few turns before the loss? I'd like to try it myself.

:lol:

Just how many is "so many" nukes? And are we talking ICBMs only or do tactical nukes count too?

Can I just interject here... on three points actually!

1. You couldn't split the earths core, however you could perhaps break the earths outer mantle, or crust.

2. LOL

3. I hope this does not happen everytime, as sometimes I do finish my late game off with nukes.

:/

hmmm

:lol:

that's funny but unrealistic

I'm still doubtful until I see a save or a corroborating screenshot.

:lol:

that's funny but unrealistic

Very true, I mean look the earth can take a direct hit from a commet miles and miles wide, with more force than most of our nuclear arms put together.

You have to remember that they have to put things in for the children, and the dumbed down American market.

I'm still doubtful until I see a save or a corroborating screenshot.

Erm.. I've seen two in this thread already?

Open up those eyes?

:lol:

Just how many is "so many" nukes? And are we talking ICBMs only or do tactical nukes count too?

I believe the original warning came after I used about 5 or so ICBMs. It was to the effect of "Scientists are worried that the excessive use of nuclear weapons could crack the the surface of the earth like an egg.". I ignored the warning, used about another 15-20 nukes and accidentally killed everyone. It's worthy to note that the AI only used *one* tactical nuke the entire time...

Very true, I mean look the earth can take a direct hit from a commet miles and miles wide, with more force than most of our nuclear arms put together.

You have to remember that they have to put things in for the children, and the dumbed down American market.


Get a sence of homour, geez.

Get a sence of homour, geez.

I have one. However nukes are my main aim, and I normally get other continents to capitulate by nuking them back to 3000BC.

I'd hate to have this option removed, or curtailed due to nuclear explosions on the surfice somehow splitting the earths core in the middle.. killing me game! :cry:

Erm.. I've seen two in this thread already?

Open up those eyes?

Both posts with screenshots are from Visceral, and he made the thread. That's not verification. That could be nothing at all.

A long time ago, I used to play Guild Wars with a man named Derek. He would hook the engine and replace weapon textures in the running program. He'd screenshot these texture-swapped weapons and post them on forums, claiming that they were a rare drop. People were often fooled for dozens of pages. People are credulous.

I'm skeptical until someone else suffers the same event or posts a save that lets multiple members experience it first hand.

Very true, I mean look the earth can take a direct hit from a commet miles and miles wide, with more force than most of our nuclear arms put together.

Yeah not to mention nukes don't work that way, their blast isn't meant to penetrate, it spreads across the surface.

Both posts with screenshots are from Visceral, and he made the thread. That's not verification. That could be nothing at all.

A long time ago, I used to play Guild Wars with a man named Derek. He would hook the engine and replace weapon textures in the running program. He'd screenshot these texture-swapped weapons and post them on forums. He'd claim that they were a rare drop. People were often fooled for dozens of pages. People are credulous.

I'm skeptical until someone else suffers the same event or posts a save that lets multiple members experience it first hand.

A little suspicious / paranoid is it not?

I've used about 15 so far in one game, not got it as yet....

Both posts with screenshots are from Visceral, and he made the thread. That's not verification. That could be nothing at all.

A long time ago, I used to play Guild Wars with a man named Derek. He would hook the engine and replace weapon textures in the running program. He'd screenshot these texture-swapped weapons and post them on forums. He'd claim that they were a rare drop. People were often fooled for dozens of pages. People are credulous.

I'm skeptical until someone else suffers the same event or posts a save that lets multiple members experience it first hand.

Yea, because I took the time to fake something as stupid as this. Whatever. It was a funny result so I posted it, anyone looking for me to prove anything this dumb to them has way too much time on their hands.

Yeah not to mention nukes don't work that way, their blast isn't meant to penetrate, it spreads across the surface.

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/compass-core.gif

If this is in the game, Firaxis are STUPID NOOBS!

Yea, because I took the time to fake something as stupid as this. Whatever. It was a funny result so I posted it, anyone looking for me to prove anything this dumb to them has way too much time on their hands.

I just asked for a save. The game makes them for you, and it'll only take two or three minutes to post it. Let us all enjoy this hilarious outcome in the comfort of our own homes. :] Post it.

One thing I will add: I was playing the next war mod, using and advanced start in the classical era. But I still suspect this is a random event I just happened to roll in this specific game. I don't except it to occur with every game when people use nukes, because if it did, it would suck. It's fun because it was unexpected, random and weird.

I just asked for a save. The game makes them for you, and it'll only take two or three minutes to post it. Let us all enjoy this hilarious outcome in the comfort of our own homes. :] Post it.

Uh, no? I posted the story and a screen shot, if that's not enough, fine, don't believe it. I'm not beholden to anyone to prove I'm not lying about something so trivial.

next war mod

Now that makes sense. I'm no longer doubtful.

Uh, no? I posted the story and a screen shot, if that's not enough, fine, don't believe it. I'm not beholden to anyone to prove I'm not lying about something so trivial.

Nobody said you were. You don't need to be defensive. This random event just didn't have the character of regular Civilization. It does, however, have the character of the Next War mod.

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/compass-core.gif

If this is in the game, Firaxis are STUPID NOOBS!

Yes, since every earth-like planet has exactly the same crust.

Yes, since every earth-like planet has exactly the same crust.

Pardon?

Of course not. Earth is pretty much going to be the only planet with that specific make up, however Civ is not played on any other planet so I fail to see what point you are trying to make... if any.

A little suspicious / paranoid is it not?

Why would you say that?

This is the only thread I've seen about splitting the core, yet BTS has been out for several days, and I have lots of nuke-happy friends in Australia and Europe. If this event occurred in the regular epic game, I would've almost assuredly heard of it already--either personally or through these forums.

That I hadn't heard anything made this sound like a prank or a light-hearted joke. But now he's put it in context of the Next War mod, and it makes complete sense.

On second thought, lets see if anyone can determine if this is a new feature in the game itself or just an aspect of the next war mod. Here's a save, just launch the nuke and you'll get the result.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/69848/rwillmore_AD-1999.CivBeyondSwordSave

Especially if only in Next War, this could make some sense for gameplay purposes. Kinda like how Rise of Nations limits nukes in later eras, to prevent tech advantages allowing to nuke a nation to the stone age and keep it there... literally.

Why would you say that?

This is the only thread I've seen about splitting the core, yet BTS has been out for several days, and I have lots of nuke-happy friends in Australia and Europe. If this event occurred in the regular epic game, I would've almost assuredly heard of it already--either personally or through these forums.

That I hadn't heard anything made this sound like a prank or a light-hearted joke. But now he's put it in context of the Next War mod, and it makes complete sense.

But your assuming it happens in *every* game. It's either A.) Something to do with the next war mod or B). It's a random event that occurs only in *some* played games.

Personally, I see no reason for something like this to be in the next war mod which means it has to be one of the new random events. In other words, not every game world is created equal, etc....

@Visceral Monkey
How many nukes did you blast?

Why would you say that?



Well why cast doubt, and accuse the OP of being defensive?

@Visceral Monkey
How many nukes did you blast?

I *think* around 20-25 maybe?

Also note, I used the next war MOD and not the scenario. I actually started off in the classical period and played up to modern times.

Well why cast doubt, and accuse the OP of being defensive?

Credulity is not a virtue? :) Nothing of what I've said is beyond reason.

...

I'm not assuming it occurs in every game. I'm saying that it doesn't have the character of regular Civilization. It does, however, have the wink-and-a-nod sci-fi style that I feel Next War nicely captures.

Credulity is not a virtue? :) Nothing of what I've said is beyond reason.



I'm not assuming it occurs in every game. I'm saying that it doesn't have the character of regular Civilization. It does, however, have the wink-and-a-nod sci-fi style that I feel Next War nicely captures.

Ha, well the problem might be that though I was playing a next war game, I never actually even got to the future era where I could experience the content! The world ended right before I did!

It very well could be a control the next war mod folks built in to keep the end game going longer so you are forced to use the other future units. As it was pointed out earlier by someone else, an over use of nukes would potentially kill that.

Hehe, I was kind of hoping something like this was implemented.
In a recent game my neighbor overran my traditional archer defense with vile tanks and I fired my entire nuclear arsenal at his cities. Around 40 to 50 ICBMs. And I kinda hoped for some consequences like a nuclear winter or something.

Well, good to know there's an event like that. :)

Ha, well the problem might be that though I was playing a next war game, I never actually even got to the future era where I could experience the content! The world ended right before I did!

And with the suddenness of a teacup shattering on kitchen tiles, the future died. :scan:

How do you guys like your Earth? Over-easy? Poached? Hard-boiled?:lol:

I like this because civilization is about alternate history, not actual history, and the threat of fracturing the earth's crust or setting the atmosphere on fire with the first few nukes really was something people were worried about when the technology first became available.

This option is actually more realistic to include than the "setting the atmosphere on fire" because every civ game has a different map, thus a different tectonic layout and a different crust and core to go with it.

Scientifically if the crust and core were the same we'd have the same basic layout of original continents drifting in about the same patterns for every game, with only slight differences. For example a slight nudge might close the mediteranean and allow it to dry into a salt desert, or split africa off from Eurasia entirely allowing different weather patterns. But it would be recognizablely "Earth" every time.

So I find it realistic that some planets might have a thin crust. Especially in games where random "volcano" and "earthquake" oriented events have been frequent. So I'll give a thumbs up to Firaxis on this one. Very nice.

Of course that's just high school science and history from the "dumbed down American market" ::nod and wink:: lol

I like this because civilization is about alternate history, not actual history, and the threat of fracturing the earth's crust or setting the atmosphere on fire with the first few nukes really was something people were worried about when the technology first became available.

This option is actually more realistic to include than the "setting the atmosphere on fire" because every civ game has a different map, thus a different tectonic layout and a different crust and core to go with it.

Scientifically if the crust and core were the same we'd have the same basic layout of original continents drifting in about the same patterns for every game, with only slight differences. For example a slight nudge might close the mediteranean and allow it to dry into a salt desert, or split africa off from Eurasia entirely allowing different weather patterns. But it would be recognizablely "Earth" every time.

So I find it realistic that some planets might have a thin crust. Especially in games where random "volcano" and "earthquake" oriented events have been frequent. So I'll give a thumbs up to Firaxis on this one. Very nice.

Of course that's just high school science and history from the "dumbed down American market" ::nod and wink:: lol


Wrong.. . You fail to understand that the world has not always had the continents as they are now, and in fact at one point only had one. Obviously if the map is different to earth as we see it now, the mantle will be different, however I really do fail to see how this would have any impact on the core.

Changes to land mass, if the seven techtonic plates (ignoring the little ones) were the same, would only impact the upper mantle.

Actually I do know about the changing landmass, hence the mention of continetal drift.

Different tectonic plates floating on the magma cause the continents to drift at about the same rate that your fingernails grow, and in predictable patterns. The single super continent of pangea will be reformed in about 200 million years.

That means that we could see gondwanaland on "earth" maps as well, or an antarctica that is warmer, providing you change the starting time of the game instead of the structure of the planet. But it is stated that the starting and ending dates are fixed, so . . .

The only way to have a pangea map still in effect at the current time is with a different core structure. Specifically one where:

(A) Somehow pangea formed on a single plate due to some kind of clumping in intial planetary formation. Probably resulting in many large islands elsewhere, and heavy erosion on the lone pangea-like continent.

(B) The core of the planet is much cooler and drift is therefore much slower with more erosion effects visible due to slower volcanic renewal processes and similiar weather patterns.

(C) The core of the planet is solid and drift has stopped. (Heavy erosion again)

(D) Continental formation took place at a much later date and human evolution happened much faster; perhaps due to a higher background radiation???? Maybe due to a HUGE astroid filled with hot (radioactive) materials entering the core and melting what had been a single mass???? Not likely but . . .

(E) Something I haven't though of yet. lol

The same goes for other map types. A lakes map assumes much less water and probably a larger number of astroid impacts, combined with less volcanic and erosion actvities to fill in or enlarge the lakes. A Rugged map assumes many more plate intersections and perhaps a longer glacial period to produce so many mountains and hills. A longer glacial period, perhasp due to a different sun would also be able to produce a "Lakes" type map without astroid impacts. But that's just speculation. Anyway . . .

Changes to the continent structure logically reflect changes to the planetary structure (the core), changes to the formation procces (the intial matter location, type, and amount), or changes to the outside influences (sun, moon, astroids, etc . . . )

In this particular game it seems Firaxis chose explanation 1: A change to the structure of the planet resulting in a fragile core, probably with more and smaller plates and a larger and hotter liquid content. Perhaps the map also had a large amount of uranium? Which would explain the extra core heat and the ease of building nukes.

It still could be called an "alternate earth" of course, but the alterations go back much further than the start of human history. With noticable differences in planetary formation and structure.

Of course that displays more than a high school level of knowledge concerning Geology. But I never said I was in high school, just that the level of my explanation could be understood by a high school educated person. lol

The only way to have a pangea map still in effect at the current time is with a different core structure. Specifically one where:

(A) Somehow pangea formed on a single plate due to some kind of clumping in intial planetary formation. Probably resulting in many large islands elsewhere, and heavy erosion on the lone pangea-like continent.

(B) The core of the planet is much cooler and drift is therefore much slower with more erosion effects visible due to slower volcanic renewal processes and similiar weather patterns.

(C) The core of the planet is solid and drift has stopped. (Heavy erosion again)

(D) Continental formation took place at a much later date and human evolution happened much faster; perhaps due to a higher background radiation????

(E) Something I haven't though of yet. lol




Yes I agree, you would need a much softer core. Roughly 750 million years ago, the earliest known supercontinent Rodinia, began to break apart. The continents later recombined to form Pannotia, 600–540 million years ago, then finally Pangaea, which broke apart 180 million years ago. However, we are a multi continent planet.

With a very solid, very heavy iron core.. nearly some 800 miles in diameter.

The point I am trying to make is, how can surface explosions far less powerful than known impact extinction events, penetrate our planet down several thousand miles to the centre.. then explode apart the planet at the centre?


OMG ROFL! :lol:

It wouldn't on our planet, we've done enough explosions, including underground tests to prove that.

However if the structure is different then it is possible. Assuming one or more of the strikes hit directly on fault lines and initial test explosions where done underground, or worse in water filled caves or trenches.

I'd say that you'd want a much thinner crust, and a much larger amount of liquid, and a core with a higher content of burnable and/or explosive materials in it's make-up would help as well. Since that would allow your initial explosion to set off a chain reaction.

Of course it's still more likely to start up large scale volcanic and earthquake activities before any drastic effects such as we saw in the screen shot, but perhaps those where what the scientists where analyzing? Be nice to know if the number of negative random events around the game world went up before the end. Or if they had been prominent in the early game.

I'm not saying that's what happened, or that it's a "super" answer. Just that it is plausable enough to allow us to set aside our disbelief and immerse ourselves in the game. At least so long as it doesn't happen EVERY game.

The fact that extinction event type impacts would also cause this effect can be ignored if we assume a different planetary history; one where such impacts have thus far avoided hitting the planet. Perhaps due to it being in a section of space that is mostly empty, perhaps above or below the main galactic disc.

Not that your points aren't good if we assume that we're dealing with earth or our exact solar system and history. If the same thing happened on a specific Earth Map I would be upset. It wouldn't be believable there.

It wouldn't on our planet, we've done enough explosions, including underground tests to prove that.

However if the structure is different then it is possible. Assuming one or more of the strikes hit directly on fault lines and initial test explosions where done underground, or worse in water filled caves or trenches.


No it wouldn't on our planet. By structure do you mean core and mantle, or continent arrangement? As, we have been hit during Rodinia, Pannotia and Pangaea. The earth is still here today, thats due to the fact that other than the upper mantle not a lot has changed in the last billion or so years.

If we continually bombed a fault line, yes I think we would see some effects. But only to the upper mantle, it would be very odd and rare for us to get any lower.

But you cannot hide the fact that we have had extinction event type impacts, and Civ is played on Earth. Many of those map types that did appear on Earth, had been hit to some degree or another.

Hahahah, I can imagine your surprise xD

Sounds fun, hopefully it's random and doesn't always happen, nukes are there to be used!

I disagree. Nukes are there to be avoided using. I really, really don't understand statements on the lines of "I love to see a nuke explode". I know it's a game, but even so, there are other wasy to play than starting a nuclear holocaust.

I disagree. Nukes are there to be avoided using. I really, really don't understand statements on the lines of "I love to see a nuke explode". I know it's a game, but even so, there are other wasy to play than starting a nuclear holocaust.

Not everyone who uses nukes goes down the holocaust route though.

I use nukes to A, punish a Capitol and try and delay that civ. B scare other civs, and C as a last resort go to Nuclear war. This only really happens if you have an advantage, and they don't have SDI. If everyone is tooled up, with SDI.. its back to the old battlefield equipment.

Mod Armour and / Bombers is the way to go, but a nuke or two at the right time (to prevent a wonder say) is good.

Why is everyone afraid of a nuclear holocaust? Pansies...

We're not... its the iron core blowing up and killing us all with uber shrapnel that has me wetting myself at nights!

:p

Very true, I mean look the earth can take a direct hit from a commet miles and miles wide, with more force than most of our nuclear arms put together.

You have to remember that they have to put things in for the children, and the dumbed down American market.

FYI: It's actually spelled "comet".

--A Dumb American :lol:

FYI: It's actually spelled "comet".

--A Dumb American :lol:

stfu you dumb American, are you that dumb that you cannot tell I have been replying to this thread from work.. and do not have all day to proof read my posting!

:p



;)

Wow. :lol:

Now if know you're going to lose the game you can just screw it over for everyone instead of quitting. :nuke:

Im well pleased with the events.

I just burned someones city down and The whole population turned into axemen seeking revenge, i got destroyed :lol:

LAWL! That is freakin priceless. If I were losing the game, I would start flinging nukes everywhere just to drag everyone to hell with me.

Exactly why terrorists should not have nukes... They get to happy and start bombing everybody...

:scan: Only humanity itself should be destroyed from so many nuclear explosions, not the planet!:confused: It makes no sense!:confused::scan:

I wonder if the AI can destroy the world as well

Or do you think they listen to their scientists :D

I am quite sure this is limited to the next war mod only... if it's in the epic game, it's the most asinine thing I've ever seen... funny, but asinine. :lol:

Why not put in a "sun goes nova" random event? Everybody loses! :p

Although scientifically questionable, this is a pretty cool event. It's nice to see a severe event like this can occur - although I personally wouldn't end the game. I'd choose a number of random cities to preserve as belonging to the civs, change the rest into barbarians, sever dipomatic links, and randomly take away a bunch of technologies. And change the world map, if such is feasable. That would be awesome. :)

Edit: Gaius, in Space Empires V stars can collapse or go nova, and it wipes out an entire system =P Of course, there are lots of systems to colonize, but where that isn't possible things can get very hairy :D

Only happens in Next War... ;)

Jon

Edit: Gaius, in Space Empires V stars can collapse or go nova, and it wipes out an entire system =P Of course, there are lots of systems to colonize, but where that isn't possible things can get very hairy :D

One of these days I'm going to break down and buy Space Empires V... I always liked it in 2, 3, and 4, when you could launch your sun-killer probe in an enemy star system and wipe out everything. :D I used to name my ship classes that did this "Hiroshima" and "Doomsday." :p

LAWL! That is freakin priceless. If I were losing the game, I would start flinging nukes everywhere just to drag everyone to hell with me.:evil:

If you're losing the game, it's likely you'll never be able to build enough nukes to trigger it. :p

Although scientifically questionable

Its not even questionable, its laughable.

There have been hundreds and hundreds of surface nuclear explosions since the 1940's, as well as several under ground.

Ha! I have got to try this as soon as I can get my dirty little hands on a copy of BTS!

I love that "Nuclear Loss" art. I wish I could make stuff like that...

stfu you dumb American, are you that dumb that you cannot tell I have been replying to this thread from work.. and do not have all day to proof read my posting!

:p



;)

Hey, not my fault that you can't spell while you're...ahem...."on the job".

:mischief:

Its not even questionable, its laughable.

There have been hundreds and hundreds of surface nuclear explosions since the 1940's, as well as several under ground.
It's a possible outcome of a science fiction scenario/mod. Of course it's unrealistic.

:lol: This thread definitely was amusing. IMO it looked like it was genuine but I could not believe Civ with all its pseudo historial accuracy could quote something so stupid as:

"Oh No! You should have listend to your scientists: repeated nuclear explosions and meltdowns have fatally weakened the Earth's core, and the planet has cracked like an egg! Everybody loses!"

Even more laughable than repeated nuclear explosions having an effect on the Earth's core is nuclear meltdowns having an effect on the core!
While I think the event is a nice added touch for the next war mod, I'm disappointed that such a lame and scientifically wrong description was given to it. Sure, it's a joke, but in my eye it doesn't speak well of the mod. In fact, I'm fairly critical of that mod already.

Boy am I glad it was cleared up that this is not in the game though. It would have been like introducing the Holy Roman Empire as a civ and making Charlemagne its leader.;)

i cant wait till all of us have the game me included so we can all stop griping about not having it,and start talking about it like in this thread

Can someone not worldbuilder this?

Good lord! You guys are putting way too much into this. Can't you just enjoy a game as a game without needing a bunch of dreary scientific explanations as to why it should/shouldn't be included?

Here's one: All the units in the game are unrealistic because they are out of scale with the cities.

Only happens in Next War... ;)

Jon

Thanks for the confirmation!

that is awesome! I suspect it's only in the mod but who knows.
oh just saw the confirmation :)

Boy am I glad it was cleared up that this is not in the game though. It would have been like introducing the Holy Roman Empire as a civ and making Charlemagne its leader.;)

Gaius' Law fulfilled... :D

Gaius' Law: "As the length of a thread in the BtS subforum increases, the chance of a comparison to Charlemagne and the Holy Roman Empire progressively approaches one (certainty)."

Good lord! You guys are putting way too much into this. Can't you just enjoy a game as a game without needing a bunch of dreary scientific explanations as to why it should/shouldn't be included?

Here's one: All the units in the game are unrealistic because they are out of scale with the cities.

lol Usually they're not disputes about scientific accuracy but rather historical accuracy. You are right that this is a game - we already have fifty million people tell us that every day in every second thread.:p

Gaius' Law fulfilled... :D

:lol: :)

You killed the earth!!!

Neat feature... I would have called the 'planet death' Nuclear Winter though..., and as a graphic I would have the clouds thicken until all you see is grey... and Game Over.

Excellent, thanks for the confirm. I still think it's pretty damm funny and it brings up another good point. What other random events would you like to see people mod in?

Here's a few suggestions for events that may or may not happen when you play.

Meteor strikes that can destroy cities or change landscape.
After the invention of radio, the discovery of alien radio signals than can cause a new golden age/happines or cause panic among citizens world wide.
The off chance that the first use of a nuke will ignite the atmosphere, ending the game (they really where worried about this). You'd get a warning about this possibility before using the first nuke, and it wouldn't come up in every game.
Zombie outbreak.
"Bermuda Triangles" or spots on a game map where ships and planes mysteriously disappear.

I also like the idea of random events that effect things world wide. Some planets might have thin crusts or other anomalies that effect game play from the start. I like the unexpected.

Sounds hilarious to me. I've never got the fascination with nukes in Civ, but I guess if you're really into them this would kind of suck.

You know, the whole alien invasion thing could make for an interesting scenario...

i dont know how many of you have read Harry Turtledove's World War series but if there was a scenario where aliens come out of no where w/ much more advanced technology and start conquering the world, it would make for a really good civ game...

do you guys think this would be a good mod to make?

Edit: yea i know its off topic but i just got the idea...

"Bermuda Triangles" or spots on a game map where ships and planes mysteriously disappear.
This already exists. I don't know if it's a persistent area or just as random as the event itself, but I did lose an Attack Submarine at sea thanks to it.

And about zombies, you'd need to mod in the Umbrella Corporation, which gets you lots of profits but also enables the rare possibility of zombie outbreaks! They'd be like barbarians appearing in squares adjacent to some random city of yours. Or to make it even worse, you could randomly lose a city of yours to the zombies!

Of course, this doesn't fit with the no-fantasy nature of Civ4, but I think it's a damn cool idea for a mod. :D

^^ RE Mod FTW!!! :D

^^ RE Mod FTW!!! :D

I second this!

Aww, I thought this was real. It just seemed so hilarious.

Gaius' Law: "As the length of a thread in the BtS subforum increases, the chance of a comparison to Charlemagne and the Holy Roman Empire progressively approaches one (certainty)."


Alright, that's it, how would I mod it so that quote shows up on the loading screens?

Aww, I thought this was real. It just seemed so hilarious.

Alright, that's it, how would I mod it so that quote shows up on the loading screens?

What? It is real, it's just part of the Next War mod and not the vanilla game.

What? It is real, it's just part of the Next War mod and not the vanilla game.

Oh, wait... Yep, I've got it now. Thanks!

I disagree. Nukes are there to be avoided using. I really, really don't understand statements on the lines of "I love to see a nuke explode". I know it's a game, but even so, there are other wasy to play than starting a nuclear holocaust.

Hello Dr. Falken, would you like to play a game?

This was my 1000st post, after 2 and half years. I missed it though :(

Tbh I think it a little rich that we are lampooned for talking about possible science inaccuracies, when this place is the argument epicentre for HRE and the likes!

:p

lol @ Gaius' Law :D

Listen up guys, it might be somewhat of interest - here's the switch:

After a long search this is what I found: the phenomenon talked about here belongs exklusively to the NextWar Mod. And because this is the case you may feel a disire to turn it off by modifying the following file via text editor:
C:\Programs\Firaxis Games\Sid Meier's Civilization 4\Beyond the Sword\Mods\Next War\Assets\Python\CvEventManager.py

Just change the values for the following constants as below:
g_iNumNukesWarningMessage = -1
g_iNumNukesGameOver = -1

...and enjoy nuking unlimited.

BtS doesn't have this 'feature', only the mod. Just to clarify, as lots of people seem to be confused...

Does sound fun, however :D I never noticed that Barbarian won that victory.

Can you actually PLAY Multiplayer in the Next War mod? And has anyone played a game, only to have someone crack the earths core in 'defence'

Oh... 6 pages. I missed that... but I guess it is an interesting thing to 'remove' the splitting of the world. If ever I need to.

I'd like to see a nuke drop on the Galactic Federation Station or something.

Wondered why I'd never seen it in BTS

Will we be able to surf in on the ICBM's next?

This is so epic.

i've used nukes, but never had anything like that happen. MUst me a need to shoot off some more

What surprises me more is that you have 71k gold and only 50% tech rate.1 :P

Funny thing though. Funnt that the barbarians get to win for once too. ;)

Damn, I gotta play the Next War Mod.

The concept is so ridiculous :nuke:.

It's funny, but I doubt any man-made bombing of the earth's surface could actually do this. Kill everyone by ruining the environment and causing radiation poisoning (both direct and towards food/water supplies)? Sure. Break the world like an egg? That's probably reserved for interstellar collisions or a really really big bomb the scale of which has never been managed detonating INSIDE the earth (so big I can't think of anything that could possibly accomplish it outside of a dbz episode or something).

The picture's pretty funny though.

Somebody should make a StarCraft or Metroid or Zelda or Mario mod.

I just got done playing, and losing a game because of this. I'm not sure if it's a new random event feature or not. I started heavily using nukes and got a warning about how scientists thought the earths crust was like an eggshell and continued use of nukes might split the earths core. Whatever I thought, I had never seen this before and just ignored it.


Which leader were you playing as, George Bush?