Poll like in topic :cool:
Afterworld it's terrible imo :nuke:
I don't have any favorite, most of the rest are quite fine

Afterworld is my favorite. :) Defense is the worst in my opinion, bad it isn't a bad scenario. All the scenarios are good, most of them are better than the warlords and vanilla ones.

Afterworld. I hate futuristic scenario's.

I do agree that Defense is a bit simplistic, but quite fun so far.

I am in the process of deleting almost all of the scenarios... I was a sport and tried them all, but I am not a scifi/fantasy nut, so most of them bored me silly. I think the only keepers for me are Road to War and Crossroads. Rhys scen. is actually pretty interesting (and I played pre-BtS), but civs come and go way too quickly. Guess it's just the Epic game for me.

And therein you see the problem with anonymous polls..... why have people voted for Rhye's (just as an example)? I'm not saying that people can't have their own opinion and that they must like Rhye's, but a vote against something clearly well designed and stable with no explanation is worth little.... it almost seems like someone could've mis-read and voted for their favourite! :D

I voted for Afterworld too.... I dont think it's a bad scenario, it wins hands down on innovativeness, but has no interest value for me. I play civ because I like empire building.... if I wanted to play a game like that I'd play X-COM.

Defense is totally pointless for me as well, but at least it is in a civ-like theme.

i voted for defense but it was between defense and afterworld. i think the whole afterworld scenario is stupid because civilization is suposed to be a historical game. the defense scenario is pointless because youre just defending a city constantly against units like...........zombies. wtf

Afterworld's concept is interesting and new but like some other scenarios not very well thought out. Final Frontier is flawed, too, but at least has a lot of potential for modders.
I think of Defense more like a training exercise than a scenario.

The other scenarios are quite fun, though, and well worth to be played.

I find Afterworld incredibly boring. It's nice to see something new being tried, but I when I gave the scenario a go, I wasn't particularly impressed. I found myself quitting and going back to the main game after a short while. I just didn't find it fun.

Afterworld's concept is interesting and new but like some other scenarios not very well thought out. Final Frontier is flawed, too, but at least has a lot of potential for modders.
I think of Defense more like a training exercise than a scenario.

The other scenarios are quite fun, though, and well worth to be played.

thats what i thought about defense when i first read the description. i thought it would make you better at fighting defenders but now i think there is absolutely no strategy involved other than what you choose to make from the advanced start.

So defense is the worst and Road to War and Next War are the best!

So defense is the worst and Road to War and Next War are the best!

Or never played.:)

I voted Defense. Don't get me wrong, it is EXTREMELY fun and enjoyable. However those Suicide Grenadiers just ruin the game, since they are so incredibly broken it's not even funny.

I think Defense would be better if it used actual epic game units (or their epic game stats), so you could use it as a form of easy combat practice.

I liked the look of Final Frontier, but then became rather disappointed when playing it. It just feels so unfinished.

I voted Defense. Don't get me wrong, it is EXTREMELY fun and enjoyable. However those Suicide Grenadiers just ruin the game, since they are so incredibly broken it's not even funny.

How the heck do you even get this game going, i have no idea, all i can do is wait for the lions to defeat me???:blush:

How the heck do you even get this game going, i have no idea, all i can do is wait for the lions to defeat me???:blush: Simple. Put your first city in the middle behind the forest tiles (the blue circle) then I usually buy 3 woodmans put one in the city then put one in the NE and then another in the SE corners defending in the forest. Just continue hitting "end turn" and watch your woodmen levels up. (lions will attack your woodmen in the forest in NE and SE corner of your city.) You can continue to build five cities in the very back (one per turn) without defenders while you build up your forces to have a forward defense. The AI will always go after your first city as long you build the others in the back. By the time you need to add the 7th city you should have a good defense force in the middle of the map thus need less defense near your cities.
hope that helps.

Simple. Put your first one city in the middle behind the forest tiles (the blue circle) then I usually buy 3 woodmans put one in the city then put one in the NE and then another in the SE corners defending in the forest. Just continue hitting "end turn" and watch your woodmen levels up. (lions will attack your woodmen in the forest in NE and SE corner of your city.) You can continue to build five cities in the very back (one per turn) without defenders while you build up your forces to have a forward defense. The AI will always go after your first city as long you build the others in the back. By the time you you need to adds the 7th city you should have a good defense force in the middle of the map thus need less defense near your cities.
hope that helps.

I use play now and it places the city there before i start, and i cant buy anything and i have for choices is Begin??:(

EDIT: I finally got it, THX alot!!!!

I use play now and it places the city there before i start, and i cant buy anything and i have for choices is Begin??:(

Don't hit begin until you finish buying your troops and city ( don't forget about tech later on ). It works just like Advance start option.

Next war - the scenario isn't good for me simply because it's so unrealistic. Moscow the capital of all Europe? Then when you pass the Urals all the Russian cities are controlled from Beijing. And having Arabs, Africans, Indians and South Americans in one civilization also seems bizarre.

I would have split it into 11 to 13 civilizations:
Northern Union - Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Be-ne-lux countries, Scandinavia, Baltic countries.
Spanish Union - Spanish speaking world.
Arab Union - Muslim world.
India
China
Japan/Korea
Southeast Asia
Indonesia/Polynesia
Slavic union - Russia, Eastern Europe etc.
Central Asian Union
English Union - English speaking world (USA, UK, Australia. They had conquered most of Southern Africa)
Brazil
Southern Europe - Italy, Greece, France (who have conquered Central-Africa)

oh well, at least I don't like it :(

I like the others though and Defense is quite interesting and fun to play.

The one moomin that voted for Rhye's of Civilization clearly didn't get it.

The worst one is the one they didn't do, Age of Discovery! Why else would they include Portugal, Netherlands, Maya, and Soiux as new Civs and not include some sort of "Settle the New World" senario? I would have rather had Austria-Hungary, Italy or Poland.

davbenbak:

I almost converted my vanilla Age of Discovery mod for BtS. But since the start I've wanted to do WW2.

Road to War is the vanilla Desert War I wasn't allowed to do back then. :D

Thanks Dale. Can't wait. I'll have to start watching the AOD forum again.

Dale,

That should be fun, especially with the ability to grant independence to colonies and the like. If you toss in a few historical events, would be fun to fight the American Revolution - English vs American style. ;)

I voted Defense. Don't get me wrong, it is EXTREMELY fun and enjoyable. However those Suicide Grenadiers just ruin the game, since they are so incredibly broken it's not even funny.
Build bombard units, suicide grens are easy!

Afterworld should have been a normal zombie game with Wisconsin farmgirls, policemen, and mall ship owners! It's kind of difficult to relate to tentacle ghost robots.

Also Road to War would be better if turns didn't take 4 minutes to cycle.

The Road to War. I hated it, of the scenario's i played. It's inaccurate

From what I've played so far I can say this:

1) Final frontier: Unplayable. Clicking on certain leaderheads or meeting certain leaders in-game causes a CTD. Might be a good mod, I don't know.

2) Next war: epic game is pretty cool. But the actual scenario kind of sucks. Like someone before said, the Civs are unrealistic. I particularly don't like the "Southern Empire"- it just seems like a lazy catch-all Civ for the Third World, and how can it be the most powerful nation when it is made up of third world countries??? I also find the future-history background unrealistic ("One-world Government"? Gimme a break!:rolleyes: ). And why are the civs still at a circa 2000CE level of technology in 2050?? Also, the Mech becomes all but invisible when it is moving- must be a graphics bug.
Aside from that, I don't think enough detail was put in to the future era- they still have the modern-age digital Soren clock on the "You have entered the future era!" popup- why not some futuristic holographic clock or something?- and there is not enough future-ish sounding music for the future era. The architecture of the cities doesn't change for the Future era either- I would expect the skyscapers to look just a bit sexier and a bit more tomorrow-ish, it doesn't have to be anything too out-there. Then again, the cities with arcology shielding look really good!

3) FFH- I enjoyed this scenario, but when I finished it I thought "is that it?". I hope a full FFH mod is made for BTS (and that it is small enough to fit on my memory stick!). Fun Fact- my Hero unit lost against Mulcarn the first time despite the odds of a victory for my Hero being 99.7%!

4) Crossroads; started playing this as the Ethiopians, got bored pretty quickly. I guess I just wasn't in the right mood at the time....might give it another chance later.

I don't know which one is the worst because I haven't played them all yet.

I don't understand why so many have voted Afterworld. Of course I'm sligtly biased since my all time favourite game is X-COM(I'm sorry, but I think it's miles ahead of any civ incarnation).

The worst one is the one they didn't do, Age of Discovery! Why else would they include Portugal, Netherlands, Maya, and Soiux as new Civs and not include some sort of "Settle the New World" senario? I would have rather had Austria-Hungary, Italy or Poland. Maybe Dale had them put those into make it easier for making AOG.

Next war - the scenario isn't good for me simply because it's so unrealistic. Moscow the capital of all Europe? Then when you pass the Urals all the Russian cities are controlled from Beijing. And having Arabs, Africans, Indians and South Americans in one civilization also seems bizarre.

I agree that the scenario is implausable, though the set-up is probably designed for fun rather than realism. It'd be interesting to see a near future scenario modeled after Huntington's Clash of Civilizations.

3) FFH- I enjoyed this scenario, but when I finished it I thought "is that it?". I hope a full FFH mod is made for BTS (and that it is small enough to fit on my memory stick!). Fun Fact- my Hero unit lost against Mulcarn the first time despite the odds of a victory for my Hero being 99.7%!Well, that's what auto save is for. :mischief:

The Road to War. I hated it, of the scenario's i played. It's inaccurate

To be fair you are never going to get an accurate WW2 game with the Civ engine.

The Road to War. I hated it, of the scenario's i played. It's inaccurate

I sorta agree with you.

They should've done something, I was playing as poland, and i ended up culture flipping Moscow and Berlin before Germany declared on me....

I sorta agree with you.

They should've done something, I was playing as poland, and i ended up culture flipping Moscow and Berlin before Germany declared on me....

If you find things like this, let me know in the RtW forum: http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=265

Screenshots and saves really help to track and fix stuff like this. :)

Defense has some interesting ideas, and Afterworld had a lot of thought into the graphics and storyboard, but I have to say they tie for worst, since the tactical 'shooting' aspect of Civ just doesn't fly. It's just not optimized enough to do a really playable job of it. I'd rather play a real XCom 2008 instead.

Afterworld wasn't bad per se, but the Civ 4 interface doesn't, ahem, click, with the type of game that the author was trying to make. Nor does the camera position help at all. StarCraft's inside-the-base missions were done a lot better. Ditto with X-Com, where you could also have reaction fire and such.

I voted FFH age of ice - after having played the warlords player mod - this little scenario was , to me, pointless and not much fun.

I sorta agree with you.

They should've done something, I was playing as poland, and i ended up culture flipping Moscow and Berlin before Germany declared on me....

TLO I would seriously like to see a save where this occurred, because culture flipping is disabled totally in the RtW scenarios.

thanks. :)

And therein you see the problem with anonymous polls..... why have people voted for Rhye's (just as an example)? I'm not saying that people can't have their own opinion and that they must like Rhye's, but a vote against something clearly well designed and stable with no explanation is worth little.... it almost seems like someone could've mis-read and voted for their favourite! :D

I voted for Afterworld too.... I dont think it's a bad scenario, it wins hands down on innovativeness, but has no interest value for me. I play civ because I like empire building.... if I wanted to play a game like that I'd play X-COM.

Defense is totally pointless for me as well, but at least it is in a civ-like theme.Yes, I agree that a vote for Rhye's is ... bizarre. You may not care to play it, but that does not make it bad!

Spearthrower, I might point out that you kinda fell into doing the same thing you just criticized though ... rating based on the personal appeal to you, vs. quality/innovativeness/whatever makes a scenario "quality." You wrote "I voted for Afterworld too.... I dont think it's a bad scenario." The vote was for "what is the worst [most bad]" scenario!?!

Actualy I thought it was "Which is your least favorite scenario".

I say defense, its stupid, and not really a scenario.
Since Lincoln was added and it's supposed to be centered around his time era I would've liked an American Civil War Scenario.

Whats defence about anyhow.

Hi, my first time here, nice forum by the way.

Anyway, in "Defense" you have one town, only one, and you must defend it against incoming barbarians and other enemies (such like egyptians etc.)

welcome highblood89...

you guys are nuts. Even though Afterworld may not be awesome for playing over and over again, I really thought it was the best hands down. Have you even tried it? Beautiful original work, and a great, kinda "resident evil feel" to it. I must admit, it was the very last of the scenario's I tried, mainly because you mention the word zombie and that turns about 1/2 the crowd away instantly, but I really like the creative design used in this mod/scenario. Its as close to an rpg as any mod has gotten.

Most of the others I was just disappointed with because of lack of depth in nearly all area's. Ugly grey icons and very meager tech tree's that make the game boring really quick. Really none of them have too much replayablity but hey, at least they added the paratrooper.

PS dutchking see my sig...

coming to bts soon.

Well RFC was a disapointment. My first impressions were horrible. First an Electric guitar! Then 32 turns of AI auto play! Then units appearing out of nowhere w/o it even telling why!

uhhh, Navy Seal...are you pretending to be clueless? RFC is supposed to be like that!

Civ defense is by far the worst, its boring, abysmal, and has an absolutely stupid concept. Crossroads is also a bit lacking, quite disappointing. Afterworld was really flashy but in reality was rather repetitive and small. I also have to say I'm not surprised with the amount of historical inaccuracy in the firaxis historical scenarios.

uhhh, Navy Seal...are you pretending to be clueless? RFC is supposed to be like that! Not pretending I was expecting it to be a little random not nomatter what you get the unit. And I was expecting it to tell something like "Serfs and Peaseants began to work" or something in the lines of that.

I would have to say that it is a tie between Afterworld and Defence.

Defence is pointless, lacking in just about everything except combat, and a rather poor job at that.

Afterworld is innovative, but nowhere near FF and hence this overshadowment adds to the scenario's all-to-obvious problems. the concept is original, but unplayable.

The other scenarios/mods are pretty good except for Rhye's, which is in need of tweaking and bug fixing, but that is salvageble

i voted against rhyse, the scenerio is nice but I was expecting way more freedom with when and how i wanted to change civs, as well as i would have liked to be able to watch the civs just do their thing.

i didnt much like defense, it didnt make sense to me what strategy to use, and was overly simplistic in concepts. but kudos for the effort for sure

Defence is pointless, lacking in just about everything except combat, and a rather poor job at that. Well not entirely pointless. It's great for begginers who have trouble defending there empire.

But still defense is terrible, they didn't even use the same units that we use on a normal game, so the benefit of playing it and actually learning something is even further reduced. Its ok to play once, but thats about it.

I was hoping for more of a strategic defense game, where you play almost as normal but have throngs of barbarians rushing at you, while your producing new units, buildings walls ect. The whole concept of advanced start is rather boring to me, it is strategic garbage and frankly I'll never use it.

But still defense is terrible, they didn't even use the same units that we use on a normal game, so the benefit of playing it and actually learning something is even further reduced. Its ok to play once, but thats about it.

I was hoping for more of a strategic defense game, where you play almost as normal but have throngs of barbarians rushing at you, while your producing new units, buildings walls ect. The whole concept of advanced start is rather boring to me, it is strategic garbage and frankly I'll never use it.

While Defence is an undoubtably pointless piece of total Garbage, I rather like the Advanced Start option.

Definately the only way I start a epic game is by using advanced start.

advanced start is the only way i play too :cheers:

Defense was terrible :(
The rest were good.

I haven't played them all yet so I won't caste a vote. I have tried Final Frontier and Afterworld. I like them because they are similar to games that I love; Master of Orion II and X-COM: UFO Defense.

Afterworld should really be made into it's own game. A new Master of Orion is way overdue but will probably not happen because of how bad MOO3 was. The mod/scenario Final Frontier is good but feels unfinished. Lots of modding opportunities with FF.

I haven't played them all yet so I won't caste a vote. I have tried Final Frontier and Afterworld. I like them because they are similar to games that I love; Master of Orion II and X-COM: UFO Defense.

Afterworld should really be made into it's own game. A new Master of Orion is way overdue but will probably not happen because of how bad MOO3 was. The mod/scenario Final Frontier is good but feels unfinished. Lots of modding opportunities with FF.

MOO3 was a fifty dollar shame :cry:

I thought defence was a little too easy to beat, but afterworld was horrible. I have really liked all of the others I have tried.

Afterworld was basically an attempt to show us how moddable Civ4 is. It is a Firaxis show-piece which ironically only proves that you need professional programmers and artists (and tens of thousands of dollars) to get anything like that level of customization in the first place. Why a gaming company goes to such pains to show how moddable its product is, is beyond me quite frankly.

The tens of thousands of dollars wasted on that naff scenario could have been poured into things like professional leaderheads for the RTW scenario so that we don't have half a dozen Napoleons with different coloured moustaches. :D (Sorry Dale - RTW is my favourite mod but some of the leaderheads aren't that great!)

What is with Charlemagne? It's basically an average game of civ but with a few unique medieval unit graphics. What is there to that, really?

Final Frontier is naff ... extremely underwhelming.

I found Defense to be monotonous. And on top of that, it wouldn't let me buy more than three cities for some reason. I had enough money, chose to plop down a city, and it wouldn't let me.

Afterworld at least has a little more strategy to it, even if it's far from the style of Civ.

Defense. Afterworld is a bad scenario as well, but at least they put some effort into that one

Defense and Next War can be so boring... total slog fests... do you have any idea how often The Lady and His Excellency have taken Jerusalem????

I can't say I liked many of the scenarios.
I think Afterworld is not worth playing. It looks ugly to me, the intro movie didn't click and I was too bored to even finish the first mission. The camera angle probably killed that for me.
The one I was most disappointed with was Rhye's, which I find unplayable with several civs, which gives historical objectives that are very subjective, and generally feels like it's punishing you if you don't play it the way it's intended to: It looks like you're free to go one way, but then you'll be severly punished for not playing the way you should. Bad.

Don't like it, don't play it.

I picked defense. It was interesting when I first played it, and I think it improved my city defense skills.
I guess for people like myself that's good, but the problem is, it's extremely boring the third time I played it. for me it went like this:
game 1:
lose horribly, but figure out some important things. i.e. buy technology asap, becuse if you buy it later, you can't but any units.
game 2:
quite good. apply what I learned before. place cities on hills with hill defenders.
game 3:
play exactly the same as game 2. the "enemy" will attack following the exact same path.

I still haven't played afterworld rtw or ffh, and have just started crossroads.
as of right now my favorites are broken star and charlemagne. with rfc close behind. rtw will probably be the next one I try. since I didn't like ffh2, I don't think I'll bother with ffh

Afterworld sucks. I try and play the game, but because they position the storyline below my eyesight, when I move around, I see dialogue move and I forget that the story moved and I dunno what's going on and I quit the game in annoyance...

Afterworld is teh worst! Same with Final Forntier. I hate the micromanagement of each planet. But Afterworld= teh worst

Afterworld.
I don't like the zoom, too close,
I don't like not to understand what the promotions are doing.
I do not like to play blind, and building nothing consistent/coherent.
I prefer to wait for Blizzard and S2...

Otherwise, other scenarios have their fun, especially on huge maps!!

I think all the mods are fun to play at the beginning, but get old quickly. I haven't played all of them yet though, but that was my experience with Afterworld, Final Frotier and Defense.

If I could, I'd change my vote to Next War. Messed up techs, messed up interface stuff, messed up cities and music, messed up Great Wall, messed up everything! (Scotland Yard being a National Wonder now!? NO!)

i like them all

wow .
some critics in the audience .
I vote for this thread as the worst case scenario .

Ha