There was only one master-vassal (Khmer and Babylonians), everyone else just jumped on the Mayans on the same turn. Is this a bug? I'm thinking maybe not, because on the same turn, one of the dogpilers demanded that I join the fray.

Has anyone ever encountered a mass dogpile like this where there was only zero or one vassals involved? It's got me worried because I've never seen a chain-reaction, same-turn dogpile of this magnitude in WL, but if it happens in BtS with any regularity, and I'm the Mayans' shoes next time, that's game over.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/axidentcfc/megadogpile-1.jpg

Edited to add: I think someone built the Apostolic Palace (sp?) earlier, but how come I wasn't in the vote? I haven't read the manual or threads on this, but does AP have some sort of "hey everyone let's take the Mayans to the woodshed!" voting option? There was a mix of religions among the dogpilers, though...

So thats how the Mayans were destroyed...

I wonder what the computers were all thinking...

"Say, who here likes Pacal very much? Nobody? Well then, let's rip him into 14 different tiny pieces!"

:lol:

It's pretty smart if you ask me. You'll end up with less territory as more people join the fight, but still...

Edited to add: I think someone built the Apostolic Palace (sp?) earlier, but how come I wasn't in the vote?

I believe you need to have the religion that of the civ that built the AP to be included, and I'm not sure how much of a vote you get if that religion isn't your state religion, if any.

I could see a dogpile if relations were good for it and someone was either bribing everyone to attack or everyone thought the Mayans were weak, or it was some random event triggered thing, or the AP voted and caused most of the civs to attack. Could be a lot of things.

War in BTS somewhat reminds a smidge more of Civ3, where there were more (unpredictable) wars and more wars in general. Of course, it's not remotely as ridiculous and violent as Civ3 - just vaguely reminiscent.

You do get a vote in the AP regardless of whether the religion is your state religion so long as you have at least one city with that religion. It sounds more like a bug to me... I can't believe that everyone else would've been in on the AP but you.

That's strange. I had something odd in the same way happen in my latest game. The turn after I discovered Liberalism, every deal I had with every civilization ended, all at once. I get suspicious when the AI all get the same idea at the same time. I took Astronomy as my free technology, and I didn't change any civics.

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/1503/oddity10000dv2.jpg

I had something like that happen to Huayna Capac(who was at war with me. Backstabbing jerk. I taught him a lesson....eventually) and he didn't get a vote, despite being Christian. However, I built it...is it possible he was excluded because he was at war with me? I embargoed him(Izzie was already at war with him, so that didn't come up.)

That's strange. I had something odd in the same way happen in my latest game. The turn after I discovered Liberalism, every deal I had with every civilization ended, all at once. I get suspicious when the AI all get the same idea at the same time. I took Astronomy as my free technology, and I didn't change any civics.



I just played another session and had something similar happen to me: about six civs just up and canceled their open borders and deals. I think maybe it might be a rich civ bribing/threatening others civs into canceling their deals with you. But that's pretty sad considering that even a Pleased civ who had never gone to war with me joined in the cold shoulder party (gee, thanks a lot Peter... at least tell me who bribed you!).

I'd love to be in the Maya's situation, just think of all the gg points you'd get, as well as training for your troops, to use in the retaliation strikes. The Ai is good at coordinating its own attacks, but there is no coordination between the separate civs, so the invasion force would't get there all at once. I've taken on the whole world and won in warlords (isolated fractal start emporer difficulty), but now that Ai is better at war, this kind of situation could be a lot more difficult and more fun to handle.
In this situation however, I'm guessing pascal's power is really low(just by his score) so bribing the world into war with him was probably, very cheap, at this point he should just retire.

That looks like the sort of reaction you'd get from the Apostolic Palace. Most likely in the first case they passed a resolution to declare war on you, and in the second, the passed a "no trade" resolution.

Bh

So thats how the Mayans were destroyed...

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I appreciated it anyway ;)


Aside from other suggestions..... I've sometimes seen this behaviour when a civ becomes "critically" weak and has bad relations with everyone.... at that point, everyone wants a slice of the inevitable pie.

does the AI get a "war ally" negative modifier against each other? If they do you can go into the diplo screen to see who bribed who.

I wonder what the computers were all thinking...

"Say, who here likes Pacal very much? Nobody? Well then, let's rip him into 14 different tiny pieces!"

:lol:

It's pretty smart if you ask me. You'll end up with less territory as more people join the fight, but still...

hahahahaha

I notice the people who declared war on you were all Taoist. Is there any chance they had the apostolic palace? They decided to all sanction/war on you at once with a resolution.

I notice the people who declared war on you were all Taoist. Is there any chance they had the apostolic palace? They decided to all sanction/war on you at once with a resolution.

Actually it was a mixed religious combination that beat up the Mayans. I was not the Mayans; I eventually got in a position to win the game easily (think tanks versus riflemen) and lost interest and began another game. I'm not sure how AP works... or if it was even AP in that case. I've never been in charge early so I don't know what kinds of things you can vote on in AP.