View Full Version : TOT is a waste of money!

Apr 12, 2001, 01:20 AM
I recently bought TOT. Big mistake! To my credit, I only bought it because I couldn't find a copy of MGE. Therefore, I would like to warn everyone that's ready to buy civ 2, avoid TOT at ALL cost!!!

Thou who goes to bed with an itchy butt wakes up with a smelly finger.

Apr 12, 2001, 02:32 AM

Even though I have the Gold Edition I was ready to buy it because I was curious...

But why is it such a disapointment?

Apr 12, 2001, 05:34 AM
<FONT size="3">Because it stinks. And bugged.</FONT s>

<FONT size="1">Ca pue hein TOT.</FONT s>

Genghis K.
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Apr 12, 2001, 06:31 AM

ToT = > > > >

Apr 12, 2001, 06:52 AM
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Genghis K.
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Apr 12, 2001, 10:43 AM
You need to patch to the 1.1 version.. you can DL the patch from this site. I have Test & I like it just fine... I can go on about the beauty & depth of the Fantasy World .. but I won't bother. I will say this.. if people took the time to get familiar with it ... It would be the most heavily played version of CIV out there. If you like & appreciate Tolkien & the Lord of the Rings would would like this.. as that set of books & this game use the same basic source material.


Pearls before the swine.

Apr 12, 2001, 02:46 PM
I have ToT, and I had no bugs problems since I downloaded 1.1.

Finally the graphics are good, which adds some fun to the game, and the AI is a little bit smarter.

There aren't many mp players out there, but I still like it.

And the Fantasy thingie can be really nice if you like such stuff.

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Apr 12, 2001, 09:20 PM
I don't know about ToT but I know one thing...


Apr 13, 2001, 06:41 AM
Me too.

But from my expirience I know that the company that will sell it here will want to translate the Manual etc...

Which means that I will have to buy it online, or wait for aproximately a month till it comes out here.

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Apr 13, 2001, 10:12 AM
ToT has better graphics.. it is basically the same game.. I cannot hardly play MP or Gold Edition anymore; unless I want to play the OCC games.. graphics remind me of Atari video gemes... anyhoo love the game.. have gleaned alot of good advice from the forums but I still cannot approach the level of play discussed here..


Apr 13, 2001, 01:02 PM
i like ToT...

Apr 13, 2001, 01:55 PM
For anyone who's interested Dogberry has a circle of TOT multiplayer players so you can PM him and get his email.

TOT is actually pretty good once you get the graphics patch, but it just lacks compatibility and versatility. There's only a few scenarios I found on the net for TOT. Plus, you don't get the map editor or the scenario editor when you buy TOT.

Apr 13, 2001, 02:03 PM
Yeah... It's surely a big drawback from MGE...

Here's I am...

Apr 17, 2001, 03:50 AM
Why play ToT which is a "generalist" when you have several "specialist" in all the concerned topic?
_ Heroes of M&M for heroic fantasy (that's just an example, there are a bunch of another ones...)
_ Alpha Centauri for sci-fi.

etc. etc.
Apr 17, 2001, 09:17 AM
I got ToT and the first time I tried playing it it had an all new City Screen, next time it was back to the old Civ 2 style City Screen. Hmmmm....

I was also started in the sea once, and was helpfully told that I couldn't build a City at sea. Well it wasn't through choice!

Are these the Bugs you speak of?

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Apr 17, 2001, 09:37 AM
Some "specialist" games are done better than others..TOT was the first Civ type IP game that I ran across ( that worked ). TOT Original is basically the same damned game as MGE. It's harder to dicker with the game & make Scenarios & MODs...if you are interested in playing real people as opposed to solving a complex mathmatical formula ( playing the AI ) ..this is a positive advantage..especially when dealing with a small and already heavily fragmented player base.

I am familiar with Mick Uhl from the days of the Avalon Hill General..his name is a guarantee that I would be dealing with something that I liked.

Never played the Sci-Fi game.

I don't necessarily spend all my time worshiping at the "Holy House of Sid" ..unlike some others.

Have several of the Heros of M&M series..never installed them as they seem to be rather light weight for my tastes. If they ever do a good MP IP Master of Magic remake... I'm outa here !


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Apr 24, 2001, 01:44 AM
I played sveral games on TOT. When you are used to the interface, it's not a bad game at all and it offers more features than Civ2 Gold. TOT looks just as bright as Civ2 Gold if u apply Kestrel's graphics patch...

if you don't have Civ2 Gold, TOT is certainly worth the money.

Apr 24, 2001, 03:31 AM
I don't recall trying ToT anytime, but I won't believe that any Civ product would suck. Perhaps less good than some others, but I strongly doubt it would "suck"...

May 02, 2001, 06:33 PM
TOT is fine. Missing some frills, some confusing new worlds, but the graphics are better. Plus you can play any civ scenario if you just download CivConverter found on this site.

May 02, 2001, 07:24 PM
I have ToT and play it more than I play MGE. I like haveing the extended original, where you can do something once you get that space ship to alpha Centauri. Also, alien civs are a little harder than human civs.

May 02, 2001, 09:42 PM
Not that many people ahve Tot, and I've played it a few times before(I don't have it) and it doesn't have good vibes.

Jul 30, 2001, 03:38 PM
I have played only 2 civs - the original which is really good and TOT which is even better. It took me about an hour to get into it(TOT) and I was playing seven or eight hours non-stop before I knew it. I don't know about you, but if this isn't an addictive game then I don't know what is. You also get several different games whcich all work extremely well. To be honest I have only been playing for a couple of weeks and I only have the original to compare it with but I think this is really good. Mind you, anything makes the Original look poor. I didn't really like the fantasy scenario but I really enjoyed the SCIFI scenario. I also found the Extended Game quite enjoyable but I couldn't colonise the new planet, which annoyed me a bit. It told me the spacecraft had arrived and then - nothing. The SCIFI worked just fine and so did the Fantasy one.

Can someone please list the differnces between the various games?

Cedric Greene
Jul 30, 2001, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by TinnionA97:
Can someone please list the differnces between the various games?

I am working on a list to add to my site, hopefully I'll get off my butt soon and finish it up
Anyway, having all PC versions of Civ, I like FW for single player and MGE for multi. There is nothing exactly wrong w/ ToT, it just doesn't feel right....

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Jul 30, 2001, 08:26 PM
It is best to have both tot and gold civ2. they each have their advantages.

Karl Marx the Penguin
Aug 01, 2001, 06:59 PM
Exactly Cedric. It feels funny

You spend all the time playing civ2 or civ2gold and eventually memorize what every wonder, and every improvement does. And then they just go and change them, just the names. It feels like a scenario. I don't like the thought of being paying for a scenario. There is nothing truly new (except for the fact that many units are only allowed to one civ or one group of civs, more scenario feel) all there is is one all new improvement a bunch of different units, and multi map playing. The only thing that ToT offers that scenario's can't is multiple worlds, and a single all new improvement. After buying Civ2gold I see no reason to go out and spend money for those two things.

I put it in the warchest to buy Civ3

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Aug 01, 2001, 07:25 PM
tot isnt that bad of a spinoff.

The Spy has Spoken

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