Welcome to the Presidential thread!

This thread is where I will try to highlight issues that I feel need the attention of our citizens. Our department leaders cannot formulate appropriate policy unless there is adequate input from the people! Please feel free to speak up in this or any other appropriate thread and don't forget to vote in the polls!

The term 2 Presidential thread is here. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21696)

The trade department has outlined the current trade possibilities and there is a discussion about them here. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23701)

Please voice your views and concerns!

I'd like to thank everyone who voted and supported me for the Vice President for term 3. Term 2 ended quite literally with a bang, in the polls, and in the chaos and confusion in the last few days. This administration hopes to work out the problems that caused it, mainly forum design and communication concerns (i.e., getting one's message across, and making sure the other person sees it).

Again, I look forward to serving as your Vice President.

FA proposals for 1130 AD are here. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23778)

Note that we can get contact with the English through an RoP with Zululand. This affects the trading we may want to do. The link to trade possibilities is in an earlier post in this thread.)

I know there is currently a turn chat thread proposal in the process of being approved but I would like to run a few ideas up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes.

I have started a turn chat instructions thread for June 2. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23789) The first post is for presidential office instructions and I envision this post as an organizational tool for aid in playing the turn. This post will not contain actual instructions but the order in which the pre-turn should be played and reminders for departmental orders that must be carried out during the turn chat.

An example would be doing FA instructions in the pre-turn before trade deals if FA has authorized negotiations that would affect the trade deals. An example of reminders would be notes about stationing new military units that will be built during the turn chat or renewing deals that will expire mid-turn chat.

I also attached the save that is to be used in the first post. I am hoping that the end of turn 0 and turn 5 saves can be posted in this thread as well.

I'm not sure where we are regarding laws versus consitutional amendments. It is my hope that many improvements can be made in areas such as this one we can first try implementing desired changes without resorting to passig laws or amending the constitution. Many things can be acheived by discussion and trial and error. It is my feeling that constitutional amendments should be reserved for broad changes and things like a citizen bill of rights. I feel the role of laws as being to add a little substance to the framework of the constitution while still leaving room for government officials to organize the government.

As an example of these levels I'd give this: It would be within the domain of the constitution to specify that the game is played using a turn chat. It would be within the realm of laws to indicate that a turn chat instructions thread should be used and a turn chat schedule posted ahead of time. It would be up to the president to make the schedule and format the turn instructions thread.

gongratulations donsig!

i would like to put your attention to the turn-thread proposals (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23443) polled in citizen forum. they seem to win, so maybe you could start organizing the instructions, saves and logs this way.

i also hope you will register your nick with nickserv in the chat. i will then give operator-status to you and chieftess (chieftess is already registered).

EDIT:
i just noticed that the proposal is already at the cabinet vote (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23753).

Excellent proposal and initiative, Donsig. I am glad you were voted President!

chat repreentatives
could you please port the order for your chat representatives in this thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23795)?

i know thats silly for the president because it will be president and vice, but just for beign complete ;-)

Congrants donsig.
P.S. When I download the game and load it up it crasses! Any surgestions?

Originally posted by Phoenix
Congrants donsig.
P.S. When I download the game and load it up it crasses! Any surgestions?

The save is now posted in two places:

Saved game thred, general information sub-forum (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22095)
and
Turn chat thread, 1130 AD (June 2) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23789)

If one is giving you a difficult time try downloading the other.

congartlugations. (hey, everybody else was doing it ;))

Originally posted by disorganizer
EDIT:
i just noticed that the proposal is already at the cabinet vote (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23753).

I hate it when I get a good idea and then find out someone else had the same idea way before I did!;)

I have edited the turn chat instructions thread to conform with the new proposals and I urge all department leaders and governors to conform to the proposal.

I see the council vote already has four yes votes. One more will pass the proposal. I am quite willing to adopt the procedures outlined in the proposal but I do not feel this should be an amendment to the constitution. Since it is a procedural question I don't even think it requires the force of a 'law'.

In any event, I think the thread title should contain the real time date as well as the game start year. Another thing I'm uncertain about is replacing the original save with the mid-turn and saves. First of all, this can't be done if the designated player is not the one who first posted the save. Secondly, I think the end of pre-turn and end of turn five saves should all be available should any concerns arise about what happened during game play. We could post our saves using the new upload feature. Is there a reason we're not posting this way?

Personally, I only use the new upload file server. Once a file is put on the server, it can't be replaced. If a replacement is attempted the new file name gets changed slightly. This is extra security. It does take a little longer to post and this is probably the reason this method is not used. I'm with you, tho. I think it should be used.

Here is a thread that contains a discussion about a turn proposals thread. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23706) Please contribute to this discussion!

I have opened a poll here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23840) to discuss the comprehensibility of the game rules and issues. Discussion is encouraged.

Eyrei is back in his old job as domestic leader but he hasn't been on-line during the weekends recently. We are currently about 30 hours away from the next turn chat as I post this. We will be in quite a quandry if we begin the turn chat without instructions from the domestic department so I'm calling on SKILORD, the deputy domestic leader, to formulate domstic policy for the coming turn chat just in case eyrei remains off-line this weekend.

In the absence of domestic department instructions in the turn chat thread or domestic representation at the turn chat itself, we will have to resort to spot votes during the chat concering issues under the jurisdiction of the domestic department.

As a reminder, the domestic department sets the tax/science/luxury rates, makes decisions regarding wonder building and settler placement and is also responsible for the build queues in Istar and any ungoverned provinces (currently #10, city of Chondote).

Turn chat thread, 1130 AD (June 2) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23789)

The saves and logs for the 1130 AD (June 2) turn chat can be found using the link above. The forum is being reorganized and I can't find the save games thread to post a link there.:(

Turn chat thread 1230 AD (June 5) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23980)

The following citizens got voted for a Citizen Honor:

Daaraa phoenátikán ztár
Disorganizer phoenátikán ztár
SKILORD purple heárt
Falcon02 immortál krozz
Shaitan Teál Krozz
Grey Fox phoenátikán ztár
Shaitan purple heárt

The ranks are:
None
Oakleaves
Oakleaves and Swords
Oakleaves, Swords and Diamonds
Golden Oakleaves, Swords, and Diamonds

The president decides upon the ranks for each person. If you want any more info please go to one of these links

Citizen Nominations: This is were you can find reasons for why they were nominated.
Citizen Nominations (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23303)
Citizen honor discussion:This is were you can find citizen input for the Citizen Honors
Honor Discussion (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=310238&t=3330#post310238)

Please PM me the rankings.

The President is proud to announce the birth of his first grandchild, Bailey Paige, on Monday, June 3, 2002 at 5:38 pm (eastern US time). Mother and daughter are both doing well.:goodjob:

This joyous event, along with last night's marathon turn chat session, has temorarily diverted the president's attention from his official duties. He asks the worthy recipients of the honors listed above to be patient and to rest assured that this important duty is not being ignored.

Congrats! :)

Congrats!

I would like to congratulate you. As we speak, the finest milks from Ameri's creamries and dairy farms are on thier way to your presidential palace.

Congrats!

Most pleased Master Donsig, as I'm sure you are. Very happy for you Master Donsig.

There is a new cabinet suggestion poll on how to handle turn chats here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24045).

If it is possible could you post the Citizen Honor ranks by June 5th (sorry about the late notice ;) )

If it isn't possible (with the recent birth in your family) I understand...

Anyway CONGRATS!!!!!

This is a reminder too all cabinet members and governers to post their turn chat instructions here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23980) for tonight's turn chat, if you haven't done so already.

(yes, even here. ;))

Thanks for the congratulations everyone! Bailey came home today and we had our first rocking chair session! I also paid our phone bill today so hopefully I can get on-line at home again tomorrow!

I have pmed Strider with the rankings for the citizen honors. I extend my apologies for taking so long.

Attention department leaders and governors: the turn chat 1270 AD (June 9) thread is here. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24218)

Attention!!! Two more honors are here for ranks.

Honors:
Civanator
phoenátikán ztár
Duke of Marlbrough
phoenátikán ztár

Here is the ranks:
None
Oakleaves
Oakleaves and Swords
Oakleaves, Swords and Diamonds
Golden Oakleaves, Swords, and Diamonds

Here is the link to the DOM poll:Citizen Honor (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24256)

Here is the link to the Civanator poll:
Citizen Honor (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24259)

The nomination thread: Nominations for Citizen Honors (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23303)

The next turn chat will be on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 at 11:58 pm Greenwich time which is 6:59 pm east coast US time.

Turn chat 1315 AD (June 12) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24529)

Phase one of our military modernization is complete and I have called on the military department for phase two plans.
I have called on our trade department to re-open the wine route from England and to get our gems back from Hiawatha.
I have asked the NSD to formulate plans for gaining the tech lead.
I have urged the Culture Ministry to rejuvinate CAP!
I have asked the domestic department to re-evaluate our wonder building program to orient it more towards pre-building these great projects.
I have urged FA to clear our lands of the Greek infestation.
I have thanked our governors for thier cooperation with NEP and have asked them to continue to cooperate with the domestic department and Culture Ministry.
The President's office plans to continue work on building our national railway system.

I would like to call our citizens' attention to a discussion about NEP and what our workers should be doing. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24546)

We are also close to a new poll concerning the fate of our foreign workers.
The discussion is here. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23981)

Please voice your views and concerns!

Turn chat 1340 AD (June 16) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24743)

The previous turn chat was halted after 5 turns so our citizens could consider selling medicine and also formulate a wonder building plan that encompasses universal suffrage, theory of evolution, Hoover Dam and a military academy.
Greece and India are also at war with the Iroquois. Two cities have recently changed hands (Oka and Hieraconpolis). We should consider using CAP to bring Phoenatica's culture to the people of these war torn cities!

I would like to call citizen's attentions to the following two discussion:

Should we trade medicine? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24747&perpage=20&display=&pagenumber=1)

Wonder building. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24749)

I would like to file an official statement of protest with the President's office. It seems our esteemed Domestic Leader has requested that todays turn chat be limited to 4 turns so he could set up another poll to direct the path our nation takes. He did this 6 ours before the turnchat. A person in his position should now better. Last time, he called for an end of the chat out of the blue and caused a whole bunch of discontent, including an investigation on you and a council member. Now he wants to preclude the turnchat so he can direct his nation in the way he sees fit. And don't tell me it was only a request. This circus is getting to be a bit much to take.

When he called for a stop of the last chat, he claimed he wanted to take the issue to the people. Now he wants to spring his issue on the people 6 hours before the chat, without a discussion or any input what so ever from the citizens. Very low handed, Eyrei.

The turn chat schedule for the coming week is:

Tuesday, June 18, 2002 at 7:59 pm eastern US time which is Wednesday, June 19, 2002 at 12:59 am Greenwich time.

Thursday, June 20, 2002 at 7:59 pm eastern US time which is Friday, June 21, 2002 at 12:59 am Greenwich time.

Sunday, June 22, 2002 at 2:59 pm eastern US time which is Sunday, June 23, 2002 at 7:59 pm Greenwich time.

Tonight's chat will most likely end after 4 turns when we discover scientific method. The next chat (Tuesday) may well end when we get universal suffrage in 3 or 4 turns. Hopefully the Thursday and Sunday chats will be 10 turns. I'm holding Sunday's turn chat earlier in the hopes that more of our European citizens will be able to join us!

Originally posted by Cyc
I would like to file an official statement of protest with the President's office. It seems our esteemed Domestic Leader has requested that todays turn chat be limited to 4 turns so he could set up another poll to direct the path our nation takes. He did this 6 ours before the turnchat. A person in his position should now better. Last time, he called for an end of the chat out of the blue and caused a whole bunch of discontent, including an investigation on you and a council member. Now he wants to preclude the turnchat so he can direct his nation in the way he sees fit. And don't tell me it was only a request. This circus is getting to be a bit much to take.

When he called for a stop of the last chat, he claimed he wanted to take the issue to the people. Now he wants to spring his issue on the people 6 hours before the chat, without a discussion or any input what so ever from the citizens. Very low handed, Eyrei.

I am not really sure how this was lowhanded, nor do I agree that I should not post my opinion about turn chats because they do not fit your opinion. I do, however, take my job very seriously, and requested that the turn chat be held to four turns because it is important that we have time to discuss and poll on the science queue. I am trying to get more polls posted so that we have direction based on the wants of the majority, but I seem to be doing most of it by myself. First I have to start a discussion, and then I have to wait 48 hours to post the poll, which means that unless I start the discussion the instant the turn chat ends, the poll will not be valid by the time the next one starts. Notice I didn't post a poll about changing the science queue until it was up for discussion long enough, which would have been low handed.

What on earth is wrong with posting another freaking poll to find out what direction we should take? Isn't that the point of this game? What the hell are you talking about?

Please stop with the accusations, Cyc. I have done nothing wrong here.

Turn chat 1360 AD (June 18) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25028)

Tech race proposal discussion. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24929)

Please participate in this discussion!

The current NEP report is here. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24546)

Since Philadelphia has contributed greatly to the NEP in the last 20 years perhaps we should consider allowing some of our foreign workers to settle permanently there?

I think that's a good idea, Donsig. Could you define "some" for us?

"Some" could be anywhere from 1 to 5 in this case. Actually more if Philly keeps pumping out workers! We could easily afford to settle two in the upcoming four turns of the next turn chat. We could then settle one more during thThurdsay chat if need be.

How does that sound?

As a citizen of Philadelphia, I would appreciate the added multi-culturism. But would our railroads and other improvements stay on schedule?

Originally posted by chiefpaco
As a citizen of Philadelphia, I would appreciate the added multi-culturism. But would our railroads and other improvements stay on schedule?

Settling two foreign workers would not jeopardize our project schedules. I will post a poll about this shortly. :)

The President's office is conducting a poll about settling foreign workers in Philadelphia.

Please vote! (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25088)

The Story of Phoenatica (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25102) is a compilation of the turn summaries written during the third term.

Nothing new in them but they are presented together in one thread now.

(I told you I was planning to retire and pursue book contracts!);)

The people of Kashmir wish our President a very happy next 12 days....

I'm looking for a summer home in Kashmir. Any suggestions Cyc?

Here's a map of our provinces. Note that many are still occupied by barbarians. This comes to us by way of disorganizer and Cyc. I shrunk it down in order to present the first (no scrolling needed) overall view of Phoenatica. The map is circa 1300 AD.

i would like to inform you of discussion about provincial borders reorganization:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25141
we will soon need a poll for it. please watch the thread and as no negative comment arrives please post a coresponding official poll for the changes.

Mr. President, this post is more or less a last minute request for information from your office on the state of SKILORD's absence and the temporary assigning of his responsibilities to me. There is a poll asking for public opinion or approval for this action, but there is no end date/time listed and no real course of action to take depending on the results. So I'm not sure wherre the matter stands at this point. In the poll you stated:

quote:
The domestic leader is certainly free to hold a poll concerning the replacement of his missing deputy and I highly reccomencd Cyc for the job. He is qualified and also eligible for the position. Whether he can be acting domestic leader in eyrei's absence and governor of Kasmir at the same time is another question.

I must point out that there is no constitutional basis for the domestic deputy taking over a province when the governor is retired, resigned or otherwise missing. Article 4 of Section F in the constitution (quoted below) is the governor of newly acquired provinces only. We have gained no provinces or cities during this term. We have no constitutional process for replacing missing governors.



quote:
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Article 4: The Domestic Deputy is the defacto governor for provinces acquired between election years. A special election will be held for a new governor when a newly acquired province grows to 3 or more cities. [Modified May 24, 2002]
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Thank you for the support. In the matter of my acting as Domestic Leader in Eyrei's absence and being Governor of Kasmir, I might remind you that beyond taking care of Chondote as Deputy Domestic Leader, I believe posting build queues for New Cormyr was also requested of me. My point being that SKILORD in his capacity as Deputy Minister of the Domestic Department is also the Governor of New Cormyr.

Anyway, I will refrain from posting queues in either situation until a definite course of action can be laid out.

Dear President,

could you start to post the number of citizens and the officials+departments represented in chat?

thanks.

I've been taking a 'roll call' at the start of each turn chat lately so the logs should have that. Once the turns start going it is really too difficult for the designated player to keep track of the comings and goings after that. The turns chats take a very long time as it is. This information could be reconstructed by going through the logs. I can tell you that the regulars (those just about always at the turn chat) are Chiefpaco, Chieftess and Cyc/sike. TBay_Rangers85 is always listed as present but not always active. General Falcon02 comes and goes as does Curufinwe. CIvanator showed up for a bit last night. We also had a new citizen last night, Clark69.

Mr. President. The Department of Foreign Affairs is doing some research to determine the start date of the Babylon-Greecan war. Best we can tell is sometime between 1385AD and 1425AD. One clue is the MPP Babylon signed with Aztecs in 1385AD. The Aztecs declared war on Greece that year. Did Babylon follow, or lead? Did we miss something? Can you help?

Babylon allied with the Iroquois and declared war on Greece at the end of 1370 AD. Babylon signed an MPP with the Aztecs 15 years later.

thanks

Another honor rank:

Disorganizer: He already holds the phoicitian(bad headache so I know I mispelled it) star with oakleaves and swords. The two ranks you can chose are:

Oakleaves, Swords and Diamonds
Golden Oakleaves, Swords, and Diamonds

Please PM them to me as soon as possible. Thank you

State of the Phoenatican Union Address

My fellow Phoenaticans. We... are at war. A lone Greecian Infantryman was spotted south-west of Memphis. When asked to leave, the Greeks declared war on us. My fellow citizens, the war has come to our doorsteps. We have taken ever measure to avoid this conflict, including embargos, and giving aid to our allies in need.

The Greeks are desperate. I ask all citizens to be vilagent, and support our nation in the war efforts! Upon Donsig's return, Donsig will also address the nation.

Thank you, and good night.

to presidential office:
the new provincial borders are in effect as to cabinet-vote:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25820

please inform the governors and the domestic department to use the new borders. the province of chondote is now no longer existant.

Our great nation is once again faced with a war we did not start. While we did not ask for this war we will not shrink from an aggressive prosecution of it. Greece and any countries who join it will pay dearly for any transgressions committed against Phoenatic citizens. Our citizens include not only those foreign nationals living in our cities but all our workers and combat troops as well.

While we are determined, we must realize that this war will not be a one sided affair. Greece will resist our efforts and it may take some time for us to build the military strength needed to bring Greece to the terms we desire. Our first priority must be to defence. We currently have workers near Byzantium, Justinian, Chondote, Alexandria and Oka that need protection. The Greeks have cavalry and it is known that they have recently captured Roman workers. There is also the lone Greek infantry unit near Memphis to contend with. The NRS link between Thebes and Memphis (and hence between Asphinxia/Kashmir and Istar/Normandy/Ameri) is threatened by this Greek force. We must also decide on the garrison levels for our cities. Once proper garrisons are in pace and our workers protected any residual forces can be put on the offensive.

We must prepare ourselves for the possibility of a long war. We must recruit more artillery, cavalry and infantry regiments. We must retain our technological lead and push it eaven further in an effort to discover new weapons in order to bring this war to a successful conclusion.

On the home front we must keep the people's spirits high. Securing silk imports from India will help do this while allowing our research efforts to remain strong. While we must devote part of our industrial production to the war effort we must also continue to build factories and hospitals in our key cities.

Finally, we must ensure that our elections for term four and our work on the new constitution proceed unhindered by the war. We must have an orderly and smooth transition from the term three government to the term four government and we must ensure that the new government is not shackled by our current problematic constitution.

Raises applause at President Donsig's stirring speech. A standing ovation, a round of applause, clap, all them should be done to show our support of President Donsig's brilliance.

dear mr. president,

i must demand the naming rights for honoured citizens, decided by this citizen poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23302).
Since nothing happened to fullfill the will of citizenry in this point, i would like to request the greece city "delphi" to be renamed to "dunmanifestin" on capture due to my request as first honoured citizen. the next open naming positions would be the one of our historian.

Naming rights are clearly laid out in the constitution and I will not risk being investigated for a major violation of the constitution. the poll you point to was informational and I cannot use that to overrule the constitution that is in place.

My apologies.

I just wanted to point official interest on this issue, as it seemed to have suffered from being burried in our forums beneath many other discussions.

Originally posted by disorganizer
I just wanted to point official interest on this issue, as it seemed to have suffered from being burried in our forums beneath many other discussions.

I understand and I think it is a great idea to let our honored citizens name cities. The only reason we cannot proceed with this is the constitution. If we can get the new constitution activated then we could do as the citizens wish in this matter (assuming no laws are passed preventing it).

Well, in the first one any1 could just start renaming because no laws are there to handle it ;-)

Another honor rank:

Disorganizer: He already holds the phoicitian(bad headache so I know I mispelled it) star with oakleaves and swords. The two ranks you can chose are:

Oakleaves, Swords and Diamonds
Golden Oakleaves, Swords, and Diamonds

Please PM them to me as soon as possible. Thank you

This has already been posted once, but I have got no responce.

I congratulate donsig on his exceptional leadership during his term.

donsig, your leadership and direction through difficult times and challenges has positioned Phoenatica as the leading world power, and we have the luxury of choosing victory paths in multiple directions.

I thank you for your service to us all.

Bill
...in PDX

I would like to echo Bill's sentiments, and personally thank President Donsig for his exemplary service in the highest office in our great country.

Term 3 is over. Term 4 for the Presidential thread is here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26234)