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My email is: Cubsfan6506@yahoo.com
Map
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Niklas: Austria
Paul: Russia
Peter Grimes: Turkey
sirdanilot: Germany
donsig: Italy
dl: England
Aigburth: France

Next order due. Friday at 6 P.M U.S central time. After the initial turn all orderwill be due in two days.

OK, a couple things:

First, I'm driving to North Carolina on Wednesday (8/22) so I won't be online much that day.

Second, pms or email are fine with me for negotiating. My email is metalratguy AT hotmail DOT com.

Third, I'm not sending anything out tonight - too tired. :(

Fourth, who is who? I think I'm Italy. :confused:

Fifth, thanks cubsfan for setting this up!

The Turkish Consulate is OPEN.

Please address all correspondence to:
Turkey, c/o
peter dot smith dot grimes at gmail.

The Turkik people send their warmest regards, and highest honors, to Cubsfan for all his work :salute:

I am Austria. My email is niklas dot broberg at gmail dot com. I prefer PM though, but either is fine.

France checking in, contact details as follows: -

Email (preferred): aiggxh at gmail dot com

Alternatively PM via forum

This is Germany. You can reach me through PM or through email, danilobliekthebest (at) hotmail (dot) com .

Oh and I prefer PM, but if you want to email me.

edit: DL and Paul, please post here asap :crazyeye: just to show everyone's here...

Dis is Russia. :salute:

We'd like to let you know that we usually don't negotiate but for the sake of completeness we are willing to recieve mails at PaulN42 AT gmail.
:hammer:

edit: I also prefer communication by pm

That was fast! :hammer: :salute: :eek:

Internet is shakey at best but I will try to keep up.

PM are fine
Also you can try dl123654 at gmail

EDIT:Internet is good now, no more Internet cut outs. :)

I'm sorry I haven't gotten a note out to everyone yet. Had a 14 + hour drive from New York to North Carolina today so my negotiating skills are not top notch right now. :sleep:

Had my :coffee: and have sent out short messages to all now. I think I used everyone's preferred method of communication. If not, (or if you didn't hear from me at all :eek: ) please let me know!

donsig I
King of the Italians

24 hours till the turns are do.

24 hours till the turns are do.

Are we e-mailing or pmming them to you?

What about order format? Can we use abbreviations and if so, where can we get a list of accepted abbreviations?

Turkey's orders have been submitted via Diplomatic Email. :salute:

Most of us only have 3 units right now so I don't think we need to use abbreviations for them.

Of course, things will change if someone will get a superpower of 15 units, then it'll be a bit tedious to fully write down everything...

I haven't played Diplomacy in awhile.. but I think the abbreviations are the 1st 3 letters of the territory, excep for some places, and those are marked on your map above. So if you just refer to that map and use what's on it (StP for St Petersburg, for instance) and the first three letters if it is not (Bre for Brest, for instance), you guys should be fine.

I just wrote everything out - Army Portugal MOVE to Spain, for example. Typing isn't nearly as demanding as writing. Of course, if this game moves to text messaging, i'll use abbreviations :lol:

I think the order format will have to be such that the computer adjudicator can recognize them.

As for abbreviations, IIRC Nor and Tyr are ambiguous so stay away from those. Also, don't forget to specify the coast for St. Pete, Spain and Bulgaria where applicable.

IMO computer adjudication is rather silly for a game as simple as this. Sure it simplifies the mod's life, but if something isn't recognized by the software then the mod should step in and interpret it.

The only thing that shouldn't be interpreted is things that are wrong or ambiguous. For instance saying

F mao -> spa

is an error since Spain has two coasts. Similarly saying either of

F mao Supports F spa
F mao Supports F por

when F spa is moving to an unoccupied por is wrong. The correct way should be

F mao Supports F spa -> por

I'm saying this because situations like these have come up in previous games I've played, so it's not obvious to all. But if you say something like

Move the Spain fleet to Portugal

it should be ok, even if the software wouldn't be able to parse it.

The last game I played, the GM (who was parsing the moves manually), told us the format to use, which was what I used in my example... If orders weren't presented in his preferred format, they were ignored. That was a really simple way to eliminate ambiguity. It also led to some unexpected holds :D

I think something like that could work well for us, as well. Pick a format, and we all use it. But it's really up to Cubsfan, I'll be happy to submit orders in any format he wants.

It also led to some unexpected holds :D
This is exactly what I don't like. Being good at this game should be a strategic and diplomatic issue, not a syntactic. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be caught dead using the wrong syntax if there was one, so I'm not arguing my own case, but I hate it when a unit is unexpectedly held. It messes up everyone's plans.

I plan and play my moves in jDip - the moves are recorded on the right column and can be copied and pasted into the mail.
If cubsfan posts a save after every turn, we all should have the correct initial situation for our moves.

That should work, right?

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be caught dead using the wrong syntax if there was one, so I'm not arguing my own case, but I hate it when a unit is unexpectedly held.

That's precisely my point (which I think you were making for me :)). It's quite a simple matter to follow the instructions of the Moderator. If you can't follow the instructions for the syntax, then chances are you aren't very careful in other arenas ;)

The only player who had problems was young, possibly in high school (or younger), and he also frequently failed to submit orders on time. It was indeed very frustrating. It's really not too much to ask to email orders, using a certain syntax, by a deadline. He was eliminated pretty quickly.

I'll conform to whichever system is required of me. Truthfully, I'm just glad to be playing this again - it's been over a year, and I had a blast last time :clap:

A quick reminder to all the European players: Orders are due by 5pm, US Central Time, which is just over 2 hours from the time of this post.

Next order due. Friday at 6 P.M U.S central time. After the initial turn all orderwill be due in two days.

A quick reminder to all the European players: Orders are due by 5pm, US Central Time, which is just over 2 hours from the time of this post.

Hey, hey. No need to hustle. :D

Man, I'm excited :bounce:

Finally one more thing to wait for in this forum apart from posts from Wotan in the turntracker... :lol:

Thanks for the correction: 6pm central time is 7pm my time, which is just enough to confuse the dickens out of me :lol:

English orders have been sent by email

I still need order's from Paul.

I will give a two hours longer for turn 1.

This is exactly what I don't like. Being good at this game should be a strategic and diplomatic issue, not a syntactic. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be caught dead using the wrong syntax if there was one, so I'm not arguing my own case, but I hate it when a unit is unexpectedly held. It messes up everyone's plans.

Back in the day (before computer adjudicators) intentionally mis-writing orders was an accepted tactic. :D

Guess I'll look into jDip so I can write my orders there.

I will give a two hours longer for turn 1.
:hmm: Isn't it already two hours left (by your post that is, 1.20 from mine)? CST is GMT-6 right?

yeah but I'm afraid some of the euro's are asleep.

Just sent my moves on last minute. :)

With half an hour to go, my computer became incredibly slow. Did anybody else experience excessive resource allocation when using JDip? :confused:

I had to restart and was running out of time... :shifty:
I hope, it was in time. Sorry for causing trouble. Next time I won't use the timeframe to the last minute...

Did we make a calculation mistake? It should be 6pm US central time now, right? :hmm:

Yup. I was just about to enter without you to.



General Notices:


No retreating units; retreat phase skipped.Order resolution
completed on 24-Aug-2007 at 18:04:15 CDT


Order Results:


Austria:


Austria: A bud -> serAustria: F tri -> albAustria: A vie
-> bud



England:


England: F edi -> nthEngland: A lvp -> yorEngland: F
lon -> eng


Bounced with bre (1 against 1).




France:


France: F bre -> eng


Bounced with lon (1 against 1).

France: A mar -> spaFrance: A par -> pic



Germany:


Germany: A ber -> kieGermany: F kie -> holGermany: A mun
-> ruh



Italy:


Italy: F nap -> ionItaly: A rom -> ven


Bounced with ven (1 against 1).

Italy: A ven -> rom


Bounced with rom (1 against 1).




Russia:


Russia: A mos -> sevRussia: F sev -> rumRussia: F stp/sc
-> botRussia: A war -> ukr



Turkey:


Turkey: F ank -> blaTurkey: A con -> bulTurkey: A smy ->
arm
Also I prefer everything spelled out.
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Next orders due sunday at 6 I won't be here but I still can see when you send emails.

Yikes, did I really order A Ven-Rom? :hammer2:

Yeah ya did. I was thinking about post messaging you but that would be rather unfair.

Sorry to ask a possibly annoying question, but I'm having trouble understanding the posted moves.

For example: "France: F bre -> eng"

what does this mean?

Likewise: "Germany: A ber -> kieGermany: F kie -> holGermany: A mun
-> ruh"

I'm sorry to be a bother, but I don't understand that parsing language. Could someone point me towards an explanation?

Thanks :)

Uhm, that's indeed very weird and hard to understand.

France: F bre -> eng
I guess you could remove the '>' part. So then it would be:
France: F bre - eng
Or:
France: Fleet Brest - English Channel

But it's very usual to abbreviate it to the second I posted. Nobody wants to write a lot of orders out in full like that, it's very tedious :crazyeye:

I don't understand the program included '>' though.

> is html-speak for "greater than". cubsfan, isn't it possible for you to go through and edit those posted orders, changing all > to > and adding the proper linebreaks?

Germany: A ber -> kieGermany: F kie -> holGermany: A mun
-> ruh

means

Germany: A ber -> kie
Germany: F kie -> hol
Germany: A mun -> ruh

Looking at the new map helps in figure out what happened.

Interesting set of moves. Quite ironic that the guy who has played this game the longest (me) mis-wrote orders. :blush: And that was not the only unexpected thing that happened.

An interesting start indeed. I see one perfect opening, one strong defense, one futile offense, one attempted deceit, and two weak openings. And that's not counting mine own. ;)

Was mine weak or attempted deceit? Or both? :lol: :hmm:

Only time will tell if the offense was futile. I didn't notice a strong defence. Need to go back and look at the map.

EDIT: I think only time will tell if that defence is indeed strong. ;)

Yeah ya did. I was thinking about post messaging you but that would be rather unfair.

That would have been unfair. But it does raise a good question in my mind. The last games I played were on the judges and they always sent back confirmation of orders. This allowed the players to see if any orders were not written properly. So my question is, when would it be appropriate for our GM to contact a player about orders that have been submitted?

Also, how hard and fast are we going to be with our deadlines? Even the judges allowed for a grace period. They also would put a game on hold if no orders were received. I think if someone goes AWOL we should give a little time for them to return before automatically holding all their units. Also, are we allowed to ask for extensions? We probably should have addressed all this before starting but, better late than never.

I won't say more than I already did. ;)

On a different note I'll be away on a bachelor party all day/evening, so any diplomacy from me will have to wait until tomorrow, or possibly late tonight.

Cubsfan, I, and I think anyone else too, would really appreciate it if every time you receive an order, you reply back to that person and simply say something like 'Ok confirmed'. It's very usual for diplomacy GMs to do that, and it reduces the chance of not receiving a move.

If anyone go's away we'll stop the action and I'll just trust you guys not to do any diplomacy.

lurker comment: I think Niklas is only away for less than a day, so there seems no need to stop.

Although I'm a complete novice to this game, it's really fun to watch this! Will the players keep notes so we can compare afterwards?

heck, how do I get to the city screens? :dubious:
I'd like to do some heavy micro managing. :rolleyes: :lol:

@zyxy: I keep track of my diplomatic conversations, I can publish them afterwards.

An interesting start indeed. I see one perfect opening, one strong defense, one futile offense, one attempted deceit, and two weak openings. And that's not counting mine own. ;)

Would you mind pming me who's got what.

Although I'm a complete novice to this game, it's really fun to watch this! Will the players keep notes so we can compare afterwards?

I burn all my dispatches! One of the traditions of Dip is the end game statement where we all post our take on the game. Another tradition is press releases. In this type of game they would be the posts we make here. Some nice role playing could develope.

VENICE: Generalissimo Guido Asperanzzo was court-marshalled today. He was found guilty of dereliction of duty after Venetian forces under his command that had supposed to be on maneuvers in the Piedmont instead attacked Rome. The former Generalissimo maintained his innocence insisting he was given poor maps by the war department. Asperanzzo has been transferred to the navy and is now a cook some where in the Ionian Sea.

ROME: Anonymous sources say the Italian foreign Minister is currently on a secret mission in an undisclosed European capitol. When asked about the subject of the secret mission our source explained, "How should I know, it's a secret!"

ROME: King donsig I expressed concern today over the recent actions of some of Europe's Great Powers. "France in Iberia; Germany in the Low Countries; and Austria, Russia and Turkey in the Balkans are all playing a dangerous game. Spain, Holland, Serbia, Rumania and Bulgaria are all sovereign countries whose borders should be respected. Failure to do so will only lead to trouble in Europe," bellowed the King in a speech before Italian wine makers. The two hour / three bottle speech was concluded with the King praising England as the only Great Power (besides Italy) that has shown restraint in the brewing crisis. When asked about the foreign minister's secret mission the King replied, "I can't tell you about that, it's a secret!"

(Some games have lots of press releases, others only have those who are posted by some fanatical diplomacy vets while the others remain completely silent :mischief: Of course, I prefer the former type of game!)

ROME/BERLIN - Today, the Italian king donsig I has made a critisising speech about German, French, and all eastern Great Nation's troop movement. A part of the comment: "Germany in the Low Countries (...) are all playing a dangerous game. Spain, Holland, Serbia, Rumania and Bulgaria are all sovereign countries whose borders should be respected. Failure to do so will only lead to trouble in Europe." As a reaction to this obviously ridiculous comment, the great, noble and glorious Kaisar sirdanilot I of the Second Reich (:salute:) has righteously expressed that "no harm was done to the Dutch people, and they were rightfully reunited in our glorious Second Empire." Sources indicate that this was already included in their regional anthem: 'Ben ick van Duytschen bloet', which litteraly means, 'I am from Deutsch (German) blood'. Regarding plans about a possible invasion of other sovereign bordering states, Imperial resources assure the nations of Europe that these rumours are completely false...


(I'm Dutch myself and of course I don't really believe Dutch people are germans, but I guess I got a little bit carried away in writing that press release... don't take it literarily, I don't mean anything out of it. :P)

ROME: King donsig I expressed concern today over the recent actions of some of Europe's Great Powers. "France in Iberia; Germany in the Low Countries; and Austria, Russia and Turkey in the Balkans are all playing a dangerous game. Spain, Holland, Serbia, Rumania and Bulgaria are all sovereign countries whose borders should be respected. Failure to do so will only lead to trouble in Europe," bellowed the King in a speech before Italian wine makers. The two hour / three bottle speech was concluded with the King praising England as the only Great Power (besides Italy) that has shown restraint in the brewing crisis. When asked about the foreign minister's secret mission the King replied, "I can't tell you about that, it's a secret!"

TRIESTE - After the apparent debacle in neighboring Italian province of Venice, where Venetia's finest was marched south to block its own forces, people on the street are worried that it is all a ruse to explain the presence of a strong army near the border. People are calling for military protection, but Flottenkommendant Hermann von Spaun has several times hinted that the Kaiserliche und Königlishe Kriegsmarine out of Trieste had other obligations. However, rumors abound that other military forces are headed for Trieste to help defend the homeland. Some say the Honvedsveg out of Budapest are sent for the defense, others claim the Landswehr currently on operation in Serbia will be called home. Some even say both, but luckily few give any credit to such talk. The Kaiserliche und Königliche Kriegsheer is thankfully under more competent command than that of its western neighbor, and few truly believe the Feldmarchall would order his two armies into conflict with each other.

Sorry - I was away at a bachelor party as well. We did SuperKarts. Unexpectedly, I had the fastest lap time of the day, and highest top speed. But I wasn't consistent enough to take the win - better stamina next time ;)

When are the next orders due? I understand they are to be written out in full - Thanks for the clarification, Cub :salute:

EDIT: If orders are due 2 hours ago, I request an extention, as I have been away from my computer for the past 2 days :eek:

Oops, I did mine the old fashioned way with abbreviations. But I tried them in jDip and they worked fine. So I figured cubsfan could just copy and paste. Is that ok cubsfan?

I need france's orders. I need turkey.

Turkey's orders submitted. Sorry for the delay. In the last update, I didn't see that the orders were due 5 hours ago. My bad :)

Sorry, I had it in my head that the next order was due 3 days later, will send order soon.

General Notices:


No retreating units; retreat phase skipped.Order resolution
completed on 27-Aug-2007 at 12:38:54 CDT


Order Results:


Austria:


Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 2.


Austria: F alb -> greAustria: A bud -> ser


Failed because Austria: A ser -> bul failed.

Austria: A ser -> bul


Bounced with bla (1 against 1).




England:


Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 1.


England: F lon -> engEngland: F nth Convoys A yor -> nwyEngland:
A yor -> nwy


Convoy path taken: yor→nth→nwy.




France:


Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 1.


France: F bre -> maoFrance: A pic HoldsFrance: A spa -> por



Germany:


Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 3.


Germany: F hol Supports A ruh -> belGermany: A kie -> denGermany:
A ruh -> bel



Italy:


Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 1.


Italy: F ion -> tunItaly: A rom -> venItaly: A ven -> pie



Russia:


Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 2.


Russia: F bot -> sweRussia: F rum Supports A ser


Support failed. Move orders must be supported explicitly.

Russia: A sev HoldsRussia: A ukr Supports A sev



Turkey:


Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 1.


Turkey: A arm -> sev


Bounced with sev (1 against 2).

Turkey: F bla -> bul/ec


Bounced with ser (1 against 1).

Turkey: A bul -> rum


Bounced with rum (1 against 1).
Pic to come later.

Sry you guys I got to run. Will post rest later. Next orders due Wednesday at 6P.M

:mad: Paul...

:confused:

He did what he said he would.

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He did what he said he would.
Sure, but he screwed it up. :p

Austria:
Austria: F alb -> greAustria: A bud -> ser
Failed because Austria: A ser -> bul failed.
Austria: A ser -> bul
Bounced with bla (1 against 1).

Russia:
Russia: F bot -> sweRussia: F rum Supports A ser

Support failed. Move orders must be supported explicitly.

Russia: A sev HoldsRussia: A ukr Supports A sev

:mad: Paul...

He did what he said he would.

Sure, but he screwed it up. :p


:confused:
I don't find the error. What's wrong with:

Russia: F rum Supports Austria: A ser -> bul

I did not send:
Russia: F rum Supports A ser

Please check my mail.

-----Original Message-----
From: moneumann@aol.com
To: Cubsfan6506@yahoo.com
Sent: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:10 pm
Subject: Russia Fall 1901


Dear cubsfan,

this time much earlier, the moves from Russia:


Russia: F bot -> swe
Russia: A sev Holds
Russia: A ukr Supports A sev
Russia: F rum Supports Austria: A ser -> bul
Would you mind naming the game files like
"Spring 1901"?

Thanks for your efforts,

Paul

Sry you guys I got to run. Will post rest later. Next orders due Wednesday at 6P.M

Sorry for the confusion but are Spring 1902 moves due or are unit placement due to supply spots gained, or both, or either :crazyeye: .

Clearly Paul sent what he should have sent, and it was cubsfan that made the error.

And to pg, sorry. :blush: ;)

:confused:
:confused:

So the map isn't correct right now?

I have to say, this jDip thing doesn't seem as simple as it's purported to be.

DId i do something wrong if so tell me how to correct it.

Just undo the resolving of the orders (Ctrl-z), then fix Paul's orders (specifically his order for the fleet in Rumania which should support the Serbian attack on Bulgaria).

@pg: No, the map isn't correct, you should have been pushed out of Bulgaria. As I said, sorry. ;)

And I find jDip quite easy to use, but you'd better check that the orders are correct before resolving them. You can see all the orders on the lefthand side. cubsfan, you can also paste in the orders in jDip by pressing Ctrl-m (brings up a window that you can paste them in).

You are correct. Turkey has to retreat.

Alright i have to go I'll be back in an hour.

I think I have the correctly parsed orders here:

Is it ok for me just to retreat for turkey. Their is only one place that they can go.

Is it ok for me just to retreat for turkey. Their is only one place that they can go.

In general, no because units can also be retreated off the board. Sometimes this is done so a unit can be built.

Alright turkey just email me when your'e ready.

How do we go on? :confused:

I guess the next action is to announce the SCs that shall build new units?
Then we get a new map and from that point it's another 2 days to submit spring 1902 moves, right?

First, Turkeys retreat will be announced, then it will be announced how many builds everyone has, and then the deadline for Spring 1902 will be announced.

In other words, you don't have to do anything right now, unless your username is Peter Grimes.

And that particular user has already emailed the retreat order to Cubsfan ;)

After builds i think i need to take a week off. I have a lot of stuff in my personal life right now.

I can do the adjudication in the mean time, if you're all comfortable with me both playing and GMing.

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Order Results:


Austria:


Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 3.






England:


Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 1.






France:


Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 1.






Germany:


Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 3.






Italy:


Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 1.






Russia:


Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 2.






Turkey:


Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 1.


Turkey: A bul Disbands

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ummm... turkey didn't gain a supply center.


Turkey is only allowed 3 units, with 1 build allowed. The build has already been emailed to CubsFan, but, if Niklas takes over as GM, I ask that Cubsfan emails the build order to him :shifty:

I will finish the builds I said.

Can someone please clarify, we are sending our build orders now, when are the spring 1902 orders due?

As you all may have noticed, Turkey is undergoing a 'political adjustment phase' while a new President is sworn is. Thus, our Communications Bureau won't be able to decipher any .rar files without the appropriate software. Do I need to open that for anything?

As you all may have noticed, Turkey is undergoing a 'political adjustment phase' while a new President is sworn is. Thus, our Communications Bureau won't be able to decipher any .rar files without the appropriate software. Do I need to open that for anything?

Just if you want to analyze the situation that is shown on the map also in jDip.
Of course you can also enter the others' moves for yourself or plan your own moves without jDip support.

I like to play some szenarios with jDip, helps especially if you have agreed on moves with an ally and want to visualize them in coherence with prospected opponents moves.
However it does not help much if your allies don't stick to their promises but it should show if your moves block each other :p

Jdip or realpolitik can be very useful, especially if you're a bit newer to diplomacy. For example, you can put in your own orders and see wether they are illegal or not, how they turn out, especially when you put in the orders you think your enemies and allies are going to do aswell. That way, you could put in a worsecase scenario, a best case scenario, etc. And you can decide which scenario is the most likely to happen, and send in your orders based on that! Of course, it all remains speculation. You never know what your enemies, and even your allies, are going to do! ;)

Of course, real dip die-hards can do that all by heart, but it would require a big amount of calculation to do so, so you can see jdip as a calculator. A nifty helpful tool, but not completely necesary.

What's the schedule here? I emailed my retreat order 2 days ago.

Cubsfan, when are the build orders going to be posted?

I presume the Spring orders will be due 48 hours from posting the Winter builds, right?

I presume the Spring orders will be due 48 hours from posting the Winter builds, right?
I'd think it should be 48 hours after they were published here.

:agree: Yes, I should have worded it better :)

Wait... What are we exactly waiting for right now? If we're waiting for build orders to get posted, I'll better get moving right now! :scared:

Sorry! :blush:

I still haven't sent my build orders since I haven't seen a deadline posted, and since I'm still waiting for someone to answer their diplomacy. But I guess I'm the only one we're waiting for, so I'll just have to take the diplomatic hit.

ummm... turkey didn't gain a supply center.


Yes you did. You have two units right now, because one of them was disbanded, and you still have 3 supply centers so you can build one unit.

edit: Uhm, firstly, why was A Bulgaria disbanded? It should've dislodged into constantinople. In that case, you shouldn't have a build.

And I sent in my build orders.

I've sent orders now.

edit: Uhm, firstly, why was A Bulgaria disbanded? It should've dislodged into constantinople. In that case, you shouldn't have a build.

A player may disband a unit instead of being forced into a retreat.

2. Other Retreat Rules.
A player may choose to disband a unit rather than retreat it.

I believe that you are not permitted to conduct diplomacy before / during the retreat and build phases. I only mention this because I was just going through the rulebook looking for the above quote, and noticed that.

In other words, retreats and builds (adjustments) are submitted immediately to the GM without any diplomacy. I think that's also where conditional builds come in.

But maybe that's more for Face to Face games?

Anyone have an opinion on this?

:hmm: I've never played a game where you couldn't do diplomacy before builds, but I saw the rule you quoted. My feeling is that it's more for face to face games as you say.

It's kind of impossible to do this in an online game. Besides, during fall negotiations, people could make agreements about builds. It would just make the diplomacy process more difficult, so I feel that we should not enforce this rule in this game. But of course I'm willing to enforce it if everyone else wants to.

I don't see how the rule could be enforced. The more I think about it, it only makes sense in Face to Face games.

Just so you gusy know I won't be needing time off as Gm.

That's great :clap:

So what's the schedule? When are build orders due? When will Spring orders be due?

Build orders due asap. Always. I'll decide spring when i finish the build orders.

So how many are you missing then?

But maybe that's more for Face to Face games?

Anyone have an opinion on this?

Yes, my take is that this rule applies only to face to face games.

So what's the hold up? :hmm:

@ Cubsfan: Have you received everyone's build orders?

Please post deadlines for orders so that we all know the schedule :)

I will post it tonight.

Still need ital'ys orders.

Still need ital'ys orders.

I thought I sent my build in days ago. :confused:

Edit: Sent it again.

I'll do it in few hours when i get home.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/101788/Diplo_Spring_1902.rar
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x80/cubsfan6506/untitled-5.jpg

Umm, this map isn't the one that reflects the builds. :sad:

It simply reflects the map just before the builds :)

I eagerly await the true reflection of the status of military forces :)

My bad.
10987654321

Can someone else upload it. I don't have the save anymore.

I just tried, but I can't open the .rar :confused:

I had no problem opening it, I'll upload the file in a sec.

EDIT: Here it is:
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8602/1901buildsrz1.png

I used the other map style, since I think the board-game version map doesn't really show who owns what centers.

Thanks niklas! :D

Thanks alot niklas.

Orders due wednesday at 6P.M

6pm US central, right?

That's GMT -5 :)

Yup.
10987654321

:hmm: According to my sources (http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/na/cst.html), CST is UTC-6, not -5. And I trust they are correct. ;)

Hey Niklas out of curiosity are you american.

Nope, I'm from Sweden, the land of glory and heroes! :)

just put his coordinates into google earth sometime :mischief:

I thought that GMT was currently 1 hour off of UTC, hence the difference between our numbers ;)

Yeah, check my coordinates if you like. Just don't use them for ICBM target practice. ;)

And it's not GMT that's currently 1 hour off of UTC, it's CST that's one hour off from GMT, aka CDT (Central Daylight Time). But since that's the same all over the northern hemisphere (almost, but including those that use GMT normally), and we're all up here, we can just forget about it and pretend it's the same. ;)

Short story: yeah, you're right, but you're confusing me. ;)

I believe that it is.

Turkish Orders sent.

The new President of Turkey sends his best wishes to all his neighbors :)

Italy's orders submitted.

Oops, forgot to send orders with all the stuff going on yesterday. Sending now.

Too late... :p

As the GM hasn't published Spring 1902 Moves yet, I wonder if he'll grant Niklas a reprieve? :hmm:

For that matter, only 2 Nations publicly announced that they had submitted orders before the deadline...

:pat: Of course he should. I was ironical. :evil:

It would be a wrong sign to The Council if a player was punished for his tremendous effort :thumbsup: in a critical situation.

The MTDG was and will be the most important issue for all players here and any other activities here should be of lower priority. :old:


I had not thought an official "sent it" here was required.
I actually thought that might give too much information to the other players.

No, it is not required to post that here. In fact, it's never done in actual diplomacy games. Not that I see any harm in doing it though.

That's also the reason I didn't post it here. But I am too lazy to do it anyway... :p

I'll probably continue to post when I send orders. Too lazy to keep a copy of sent emails and it seems sometimes they don't get received. So posting a sent orders announcement will hopefully alert the GM to notify me if an Italian email goes astray.

Sorry you guys update will be tommorow. For some reason I can't stay up today.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x80/cubsfan6506/untitled-6.jpg



General Notices:


No retreating units; retreat phase skipped.Order resolution
completed on 07-Sep-2007 at 17:18:06 CDT


Order Results:


Austria:


Austria: A bud -> rum


Bounced with ukr (1 against 1).

Austria: A bul HoldsAustria: F gre -> aegAustria: A ser
Supports A bulAustria: F tri -> albAustria: A vie -> tri



England:


No order for unit at London. Hold order assigned.No
order for unit at Norway. Hold order assigned.England: F
eng -> iriEngland: A lon HoldsEngland: F nth -> eng


Bounced with bre (1 against 1).

England: A nwy Holds



France:


France: F bre -> engFrance: F mao Supports F bre -> engFrance:
A pic HoldsFrance: A por -> spa



Germany:


Germany: A bel -> burGermany: F ber -> kieGermany: A den
HoldsGermany: F hol -> belGermany: A kie -> holGermany:
A mun Supports A bel -> bur



Italy:


Italy: F nap -> ionItaly: A pie -> marItaly: F tun -> wesItaly:
A ven Holds



Russia:


Russia: A mos Supports A sev


Support failed. Move orders must be supported explicitly.

Russia: F rum -> blaRussia: A sev -> armRussia: F swe
-> nwy


Bounced with nwy (1 against 1).

Russia: A ukr -> rum


Bounced with bud (1 against 1).

Russia: A war -> ukr


Failed because Russia: A ukr -> rum failed.




Turkey:


Turkey: A arm -> ankTurkey: F bla -> conTurkey: F con ->
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/101788/Spring_1902.rar
smy

Reposting for your convenience:

General Notices:
No retreating units; retreat phase skipped.Order resolution completed on 07-Sep-2007 at 17:18:06 CDT

Order Results:

Austria:
Austria: A bud -> rum
Bounced with ukr (1 against 1).
Austria: A bul Holds
Austria: F gre -> aeg
Austria: A ser Supports A bul
Austria: F tri -> alb
Austria: A vie -> tri

England:
No order for unit at London. Hold order assigned.
No order for unit at Norway. Hold order assigned.

England: F eng -> iri
England: A lon Holds
England: F nth -> eng
Bounced with bre (1 against 1).
England: A nwy Holds

France:
France: F bre -> eng
France: F mao Supports F bre -> eng
France: A pic Holds
France: A por -> spa

Germany:
Germany: A bel -> bur
Germany: F ber -> kie
Germany: A den Holds
Germany: F hol -> bel
Germany: A kie -> hol
Germany: A mun Supports A bel -> bur

Italy:
Italy: F nap -> ion
Italy: A pie -> mar
Italy: F tun -> wes
Italy: A ven Holds

Russia:
Russia: A mos Supports A sev
Support failed. Move orders must be supported explicitly.
Russia: F rum -> bla
Russia: A sev -> arm
Russia: F swe -> nwy
Bounced with nwy (1 against 1).
Russia: A ukr -> rum
Bounced with bud (1 against 1).
Russia: A war -> ukr
Failed because Russia: A ukr -> rum failed.

Turkey:
Turkey: A arm -> ank
Turkey: F bla -> con
Turkey: F con -> smy

I have a few things to learn about this game :sad:

Thanks Niklas. Any chance you have one of your maps handy for us to view?

Sure, here you go:

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/4445/spring1902f1902mmq9.th.png (http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spring1902f1902mmq9.png)

So when are the Fall orders due?

Monday @ 6pm.

May I ask for an extension for another day? :please:

Spent too much time DABbing (defending against Babes...) :sniper:
(and attend Gwen Stefani tonight which might prevent me from doing further negotiations...) :rockon: :band:

Turkey sees no problem with the extension request (does turkey even get a vote on this??) :)

Heh, I haven't even started thinking. I join Paul's request for an extension. Have we heard from Aigburth yet btw?

Yeah go ahead and extend, I don't mind.

I wasn't going to do the update tonight anyways.

Glad there's an extension - I haven't send orders yet either!

EDIT: I've submitted orders now. Oops, called them spring orders but they are really for the fall.

Forgot to post it, but Turkey's orders were sent in a few hours before the deadline :)

Any idea when we can expect an update? And when the adjustment orders will be due?

New email cubsfan6506@gmail.com
Update tonight.

Update is going ot have to come tommorow.

Aigburth hasn't sent me an email yet.

Has Aigburth been notified that we're still waiting on his orders? There's no point in publishing a deadline if we'll simply let the game languish for a week :rolleyes:

I've noted aigburth perhaps the general can pick up his car.

Cubsfan, a deadline's a deadline.

Of course, that's only the basic rule. The GM shouldn't be too strict either and do allow some leniencies. But we've waiten an entire week now.

Cubsfan, I'd appreciate it if you started posting deadline reminders when the deadline approaches, and pm or email confirmations when you receive orders. It makes it easier for the players.

Apologies, lost track of this whilst on holiday; orders now sent.

Yay!! That was the longest summer ever :dance:

General Notices:
Order resolution completed on 18-Sep-2007 at 17:40:27 CDT
Order Results:
Austria:
Austria: F aeg -> con
Bounced with con (2 against 1).
Austria: F alb -> greAustria: A bud -> gal
Bounced with war (1 against 1).
Austria: A bul Supports F aeg -> conAustria: A ser -> rum
Bounced with ukr (1 against 1).
Austria: A tri -> vie
England:
No order for unit at London. Hold order assigned.No
order for unit at Norway. Hold order assigned.England: F
iri Supports F wes -> maoEngland: A lon HoldsEngland: F nth
-> engEngland: A nwy Holds
France:
France: F eng -> picFrance: F mao Supports A spa
Support cut by Move from Western Mediterranean. Dislodged
from wes (2 against 1).
France: A pic -> parFrance: A spa Holds
Germany:
Germany: F bel HoldsGermany: A bur -> gasGermany: A den
HoldsGermany: A hol Supports F belGermany: F kie -> helGermany:
A mun -> bur
Italy:
No order for unit at Venice. Hold order assigned.Italy:
F ion -> tunItaly: A mar -> spa
Bounced with spa (1 against 1).
Italy: A ven HoldsItaly: F wes -> mao
Russia:
Russia: A arm -> ankRussia: F bla Supports A arm -> ankRussia:
A mos -> lvnRussia: F swe HoldsRussia: A ukr -> rum
Bounced with ser (1 against 1).
Russia: A war -> gal
Bounced with bud (1 against 1).
Turkey:
The Army in Ankara cannot retreat; unit destroyed.
Turkey: A ank -> con
Bounced with aeg (1 against 1). Dislodged from arm (2
against 1).
Turkey: F con -> aeg
Bounced with aeg (2 against 1).
Turkey: F smy Supports F con -> aeg

More coming

My computer is going to . .. .. .. .. Can't take a screenie. :mad: Here is the jist of it france needs to retreat from the mid atlantic.

A bit easier to read:

General Notices:
Order resolution completed on 18-Sep-2007 at 17:40:27 CDT
Order Results:

Austria:
F aeg - con
Bounced with con (2 against 1).
F alb - gre
A bud - gal
Bounced with war (1 against 1).
A bul Supports F aeg - con
A ser - rum
Bounced with ukr (1 against 1).
A tri - vie

England:
No order for unit at London. Hold order assigned.
No order for unit at Norway. Hold order assigned.
F iri Supports F wes - mao
A lon Holds
F nth - eng
A nwy Holds

France:
F eng - pic
F mao Supports A spa
Support cut by Move from Western Mediterranean. Dislodged
from wes (2 against 1).
A pic - par
A spa Holds

Germany:
F bel Holds
A bur - gas
A den Holds
A hol Supports F bel
F kie - hel
A mun - bur

Italy:
No order for unit at Venice. Hold order assigned.
F ion - tun
A mar - spa
Bounced with spa (1 against 1).
A ven Holds
F wes - mao

Russia:
A arm - ank
F bla Supports A arm - ank
A mos - lvn
F swe Holds
A ukr - rum
Bounced with ser (1 against 1).
A war - gal
Bounced with bud (1 against 1).

Turkey:
The Army in Ankara cannot retreat; unit destroyed.
Turkey: A ank - con
Bounced with aeg (1 against 1). Dislodged from arm (2
against 1).
F con - aeg
Bounced with aeg (2 against 1).
F smy Supports F con - aeg

More coming

no current save available? :hmm:

Anybody care to post his?

Here's the save, and here's the screenshot. Note that France has to issue a retreat order for his fleet in the MidAtlantic, and Turkey's army in Ankara was destroyed :(

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/847/fall02cf1902rbv9.th.png (http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fall02cf1902rbv9.png)

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/60772/Fall02a.zip

:bump:

Ummm.... has France issued a retreat order yet?

What is the deadline for the Retreat Order and the Winter Adjustments?

What is the deadline for the Spring Orders?

:)

What is the deadline for setting these deadlines?

Maybe a committee should be formed that would look into the pro's and con's of various deadlines for deadlines, and make recommendations based on their analysis, then a quorum of interested parties should appoint a deliberative body to select a range of options, to be voted on in a ballot initiative during the next election cycle.

OR, we could just say something simple, like:

1. Orders due in 96 hours,
2. Adjustments / retreats in 36.
3. Extensions permitted only when requested BEFORE a deadline.
4. All times start when the previous event is posted here.

....which seems especially generous, seeing how we all started this game under the impression that:
After the initial turn all orderwill be due in two days.

Yes i agree with that. I simply have not recieved aigburth's orders. I will simply retreat it off the map. Builds do in 48. (the standard for builds. Lets make retreats 24. Make it an even week for turns.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x80/cubsfan6506/untitled-9.jpg
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/101788/Fall_1902.rar

Wait, so are builds due in 48 hours now or are we to send in orders for the next season?

Next orders are build orders. Russia (+1), France (+1) and Italy (+1) are the only that need to bother.

build order sent

Builds are do in 48 as of Sept 24th 11:04 pm

Another waiting period then... :mischief:

Russia's build orders sent.

No need to wait once donsig also submitted Italy's orders.

Sending it now.

General Notices:Order resolution completed on 23-Sep-2007 at 12:05:40 CDT
France:France: Builds A bre
Italy:Builds F nap
Russia:Russia: Builds A mos
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/101788/Fall_1902.rar

Make it an even week for turns.
So this means that Spring Orders are due Sept. 30, by 12:00 noon CST (gmt -5)?



Or does the original schedule still hold?
After the initial turn all orderwill be due in two days.
Which would mean Spring Orders due by Sept 25, 12 noon (cst = gmt-5)
:hmm:

I think the week was maybe for the first year? Two or three days should suffice for a turn. Have a map handy Niklas?

I can provide a map in about 16 hours....

unless the GM can provide one sooner?

We're doing 4 for a turn. 1 day for a retreat. And 2 days for builds. So an even weak for seasons.

Well, actually we don't have builds every turn, so we alternate 5- and 7-day-weeks :crazyeye:

I'd guess next deadline is four days from cubsfan's last order resolution post which dated Sep 23, 2007 07:06 PM.

So imo we should submit our spring 1903 orders till Sep 27, 2007, 7pm (central european summer time).

Do to real life problems I have to leave town for four days.

Niklas, you had originally offered to GM - are you able to fill in for Cubsfan until he is able to return? That way we could keep the game moving forward.

Hope everything goes well, Cubs. :salute:

But I already sent in my orders to Cubsfan. Niklas is a player so we'd have to trust him to send our orders to him, but I think we all do. :salute:
Cubsfan, if you can still do it, please send in the orders you received to niklas. If not, we'll just send in our orders to niklas again.

And good luck, cubsfan!

The next orders due are Spring 1903, due on Sep 27, 2007, 7pm (central european summer time)

Except for France (Aigburth), who was supposed to issue a retreat order (which has yet to be published.)

Sorry I forgot to post this: This is the pre-retreat map. France needs to issue a retreat order.

I don't mind GMing if you want me to. pg, that's the old map, we're past that stage already. France's fleet was disbanded, and builds have been done. Here's the map that should be used:

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/4269/spring1903pm7.th.png (http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spring1903pm7.png)

If everyone is fine with me GMing, then please send your orders to me via PM. Orders are due 47h 18m from this post.

Allright... now I have to remember what I actually sent in last time... ::gripe:

Oh wait, I think it's in my sentbox! :D

Just a little reminder, please don't read any orders untill right before the adjudication. But I trust you on that, obviously!

Allright, I'd like to ask a 24 hour extension. Things are a little bit busy for me at the moment, and we all had to send in our orders again. Besides, I'm in some thorough diplomacy with two powers that needs to be resolved first. If anyone objects, please state so.

I already sent in some preliminary orders just in case.

And something else: please mark orders with ORDER in the subject title when sending your orders to Niklas, otherwise he might accidentaly open them before the adjudication. Of course I trust you that you won't do it knowingly, but let's make sure you don't do it accidentaly! Again, thanks for taking over GMing. :D

:confused:

I thought we had it worked out!

... Did we? :mischief: :)

:confused:

I thought we had it worked out!
Now that doesn't sound to my liking at all...

So orders are going to Niklas now, and if they are Central European Time is what GMT?

I thought we were sending orders to Niklas. :confused:

Orders go to Niklas and everybody should be able to calculate the deadline from his last post timestamp (always local time for everyone I think) and the 47:18 hours he announced as remaining time. :old:

That's 9:43 hours from now.

Unless sirdanailot means he wants to extent the deadline another 24 hours which I'd like him to acknowledge because I'm not sure if he had calculated the deadline correctly. :hmm:

Turkish Orders submitted :)

Deadline is now 4h away. I have four sets of orders in (including mine), so three missing. sirdanilot, do you still need that 24h extension? I have your preliminary orders.

For the record, CEST is GMT+1, and we are still in daylight savings time for a few weeks more.

Uhm... I don't think so. But please wait about thirty minutes from this post or so.

edit: Allright, something has really come up now. Yeah I think I still need that extension, and the three who didn't send in their orders need it even more. Please extend the deadline 24 hours. Thank you! :)

I will wait, since I'm still missing Italian orders.

Thank you! :D

You are all :confused: me over these deadlines. First I tought we had two day deadlines then someone said that was only for build or retreats, now they're for regular seasons, too?

Sending my orders now. :)

Results for Spring, 1903 (Movement)

General Notices:
Order resolution completed on 28-sep-2007 at 02:13:29 CEST


Order Results:

Austria:
Austria: F aeg Supports A ank -> smy
Austria: A bud -> gal
Austria: A bul -> con
Austria: F gre -> bul/sc
Austria: A ser Supports F gre -> bul/sc
Austria: A vie -> boh

England:
No order for unit at Irish Sea. Hold order assigned.
No order for unit at Norway. Hold order assigned.

England: F eng Supports F bel -> pic
England: F iri Holds
England: A lon -> wal
England: A nwy Holds

France:
The Fleet in Picardy cannot retreat; unit destroyed.

France: A bre Supports A par
France: A par Holds
France: F pic Holds
Dislodged from bel (3 against 1).
France: A spa Holds
Dislodged from mar (2 against 1).

Germany:
Germany: F bel -> pic
Germany: A bur Supports F bel -> pic
Germany: A den Holds
Germany: A gas -> par
Bounced with par (1 against 2).
Germany: F hel -> hol
Germany: A hol -> bel

Italy:
Italy: A mar -> spa
Italy: F mao Supports A mar -> spa
Italy: F nap -> tys
Italy: F tun -> wes
Italy: A ven -> pie

Russia:
Russia: A ank -> smy
Russia: F bla Supports A bul -> con
Russia: A lvn -> pru
Russia: A mos -> lvn
Russia: F swe -> bal
Russia: A ukr -> war
Russia: A war -> sil

Turkey:
Turkey: F con -> smy
Failed. Dislodged from bul (2 against 1).
Turkey: F smy -> eas

Moves:
http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/4816/spring1903movesdt4.th.png (http://img473.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spring1903movesdt4.png)

Retreat situation:
http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/2528/spring1903retreatsqq9.th.png (http://img473.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spring1903retreatsqq9.png)

Turkey: Fleet dislodged from Con may retreat to Ank.
France: Army dislodged from Spa may retreat to Por.

Deadline for retreat orders: Friday 28th, 20:00 PM GMT (~19.5h from now)

I'll be back monday.

The Russian Foreign Minister declares war to Germany. We cannot tolerate the continous disregard of the French sovereignty. :nono:

For that reason we occupied German land and apply to the Kaiser to stop his unrightful treatment of our French friends. :old:

retreat order posted.

Hmm... I seem to have forgotten to look east. Well, that's one more learning experience for me! Don't just focus on the side you're attacking, focus on the other side aswell.

Of course, I, the Kaisar of Germany, will not surrender and fight till the bitter end.

Too bad that Austria seems to be meddling with this hypocrite nonsense aswell, but that's how things tend to go.

As for French sovereignity, I will never acknowledge it. Did you guys even acknowledge Turkish sovereignity? Talk about hypocricy :crazyeye:

And I know several other nations of Europe who, rightfully, do not acknowledge such nonsense either. The france you speak of is nothing more than a collection of provinces from other, really great nations of europe.

For the Western Alliance! For Germany! :old: :salute:


Disclaimer: All this talk is purely ingame.

The Turkish are just paying for their unrightful and treaty breaking entering of the Black Sea. They threatened Russian's sovereignty and this we cannot accept. :nono:

Don't be stupid. Turkey only went that way at the urging of Austria in a 'Let's take down Russia' scheme :deal:

Let's not forgot who the REAL puppetmaster is :assimilate:

:eek: You mean.... the Archduke? :confused:

:hmm:

:shake:

:nono:

That is a man of honor. :old:
(At least he told me) :)

I haven't gotten a retreat order from Aigburth, but in the interest of keeping things moving I've gone ahead and retreated his army to Portugal. Aigburth, in the extremely unlikely case that you actually wanted to disband it instead, please tell me within 24 hours.

Fall 1903 situation:

http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/9144/fall1903qa4.th.png (http://img462.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fall1903qa4.png)

Deadline for fall movement orders: Tuesday 2nd, 20:00 GMT (3 days 19 hours from this post)

Don't be stupid. Turkey only went that way at the urging of Austria in a 'Let's take down Russia' scheme :deal:
Even in his last sovereign moments does the Sultan seek to plant the seed of doubt between his conquerors. While it may be true that Austrian diplomats, by sheer necessity in the rather tense environment that ruled the day two years ago, spoke with the Sultan of the possibilities of cooperation, there is no way that the Archduke can be held responsible for the actual actions of the Turkish forces. Furthermore, no treaties had been signed with either Russia or Turkey at that time, and anything Austrian diplomats may have let slip, under the influence of the political environment of the day, clearly has no consequences on the formal diplomatic stance of the Imperial and Royal court of today. Actions speak volumes more than words, and it should be clear to each man, who has an at least semi-objective position on this matter, just what the Austrian policy regarding the Turk affair is. This despite the ramblings of a soon-to-be dethroned Sultan.

(OOC: Of course, had Paul sent all his units the other way on the first turn... :mischief: But I know he would have done the same for me... ;))

Sorry, retreat to Portugal is fine of course :)

Please don't forget to send orders, the deadline is now 18h 40m away.

Turkey's orders submitted :salute:

Orders sent - to cubsfan again.

That's okay, I guess? :hmm:

edit: per pm, I hope that's okay, too?

Oh - I sent them to Niklas, since he's the one who posted the deadline.... Who's in control here, anyway? :crazyeye:

I sent them to niklas. Unless cubsfan posts here before the deadline I'm not resending them.

Oh and Niklas, I sent you three pms: two with orders and one diplomatic PM. The ones with orders are clearly marked as such in the title so you can open the other one if you want :)

I expect to get the orders to my PM box. I'll continue as GM, to get this game moving. I have orders from Germany, England and Turkey (and Austria), missing Russia, Italy and France with 1 hour to deadline. :scan:

@sirdanilot: I've noted all your PMs, and opened the one that was meant to be opened.

Niklas, I pmmed my orders to you last night. :confused:

Indeed you did, sorry, don't know how I missed them. Only waiting for Paul's orders now then.

Just sent them, sorry for delay caused by organizing problems. :rolleyes:

Results for Fall, 1903 (Movement)

General Notices:
Order resolution completed on 02-okt-2007 at 23:55:19 CEST

Order Results:
Austria:
Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 2.

Austria: F aeg Supports A con
Support cut by Move from Eastern Mediterranean.
Austria: A boh -> mun
Austria: F bul/sc Supports A con
Austria: A con Supports F bla -> ank
Austria: A gal -> boh
Austria: A ser -> bud

England:
Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 1.

England: F eng -> bre
England: F iri -> eng
England: A nwy Supports A den -> swe
England: A wal -> yor

France:
The Army in Paris cannot retreat; unit destroyed.
The Army in Portugal cannot retreat; unit destroyed.

France: A bre Holds
Dislodged from eng (2 against 1).
France: A par Holds
Dislodged from gas (2 against 1).
France: A por Holds
Dislodged from spa (2 against 1).

Germany:
Germany: A bel -> ruh
Germany: A bur Supports A gas -> par
Germany: A den -> swe
Germany: A gas -> par
Germany: F hol -> kie
Germany: F pic Supports F eng -> bre

Italy:
Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 2.

Order type Guards not recognized. No order for unit at Piedmont. Hold order assigned.
Order type Guards not recognized. No order for unit at Tyrrhenian Sea. Hold order assigned.

Italy: F mao Supports A spa -> por
Italy: A pie Holds
Italy: A spa -> por
Italy: F tys Holds
Italy: F wes -> spa/sc

Russia:
Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 1.

Russia: F bal Convoys A lvn -> swe
Russia: F bla -> ank
Russia: A lvn -> swe
Failed. Convoy path taken: lvn->bal->swe.
Russia: A pru -> ber
Russia: A sil Supports A boh -> mun
Russia: A smy Supports F bla -> ank
Russia: A war Holds

Turkey:
Supply centers were lost. Units that must be removed: 1.

Turkey: F ank Supports A smy -> con
Support failed. Supported unit's order does not match support given. Dislodged from bla (3 against 1).
Turkey: F eas -> aeg
Bounced with aeg (1 against 1).

Fall 1903 moves:
http://xs220.xs.to/xs220/07403/Fall_1903_moves.png.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs220&d=07403&f=Fall_1903_moves.png)

I preempted the retreats, since neither the Turk fleet in Ankara or the French army in Brest would have been around after the adjustments phase anyway.

Winter 1903 situation:
http://xs220.xs.to/xs220/07403/Winter_1903.png.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs220&d=07403&f=Winter_1903.png)

Builds:
Austria: 2
England: 1
Italy: 2
Russia: 1

7 have become 5. Thanks Aigburth and Peter for playing, hope there's no hard feelings for losing. Any one of you care to step in as GM instead of me now?

donsig, what's up with the Guards actions? Is there some variant of Diplomacy that has those?

donsig, what's up with the Guards actions? Is there some variant of Diplomacy that has those?

One of the Ten Commandments of Diplomacy is never have a unit hold when it can do something more useful - like send a message. If you didn't get the message I can elaborate in our negotiations. :D

Heh, now I got the message just fine. No worries then. :thumbsup:

No hard feelings at all :)
But shouldn't my F eas be disbanded, as I have no supply center left :confused:

I have learned much from this game, and it has inspired me to sign up for a Judge game - where, ominously, I am playing Turkey and was just stabbed by Russia in the Spring of 1902 (Austria at least showed some manners and declared on me in Spring of 1901!) :rotfl:

:shifty: or maybe it's just me???

Someone in the first MTDG had a clever phrase in his signature: The common denominator in all your failed relationships is you ;)

Rest assured, I will continue to follow this game as a lurker.


:salute:
Best wishes to all of you, and thanks for the opportunity
:cheers:

F eas will indeed be disbanded in the adjustment phase (if you check the detailed list you'll see it says "Units that must be removed: 1" under Turkey). But I didn't bother mention that since it was a given.

Allright, so we will keep sending our orders to Niklas?
And bye Aigburth and Peter Grimes, it was nice playing with you :)

PARIS - Today, the glorious Kaisar sirdanilot I of Germany, the father of our nation, our Great Leader, who has several other great titles aswell, appeared in the Louvre in the new German Capital of Paris, and spoke to the people about the war against the evil French. 'Today', he said, 'is a special day. It is the very first day that there is no light blue on the map of Europe! It is the day that the evil French nation has been eliminated! Our glorious armies have easily marched into the heart of this city. The weak and disorganized French army surrendered immediately when they had just cought a glimpse of our incredible Panzers. This is our city, and the evil french people are no more. They are now true German civilians!' The crowd, who gathered to see our great Leader, applaused and shouted 'Heil Kaisar!'. Then our Great Emperor said: 'But it could not have been done without the help of our loyal allies. May our nation live in peace with them until the end of time! But our nation is not yet out of danger. Evil Russia and Austria betrayed us and declared war on us! Against us, the German people, who had never meant any harm to them! They say it is to prevent the loss of sovereignity of the former French state. But look at our city! The French nation is no more! They failed in their idiotic mission, and now they will regret they have crossed our DMZ lines. With our tactical superiority, we will put an end to this 'attack'-attempt as soon as we can. And added to that, the help of our nations, we will continue to stand strong and reinstate Berlin as the true capital of the Reich!'

Oh and a question, when's the deadline for next season? Will you post it when you post the builds?

Yeah sorry for my triple post, but I always thought my postcount is too low anyway :crazyeye:

I have learned much from this game, and it has inspired me to sign up for a Judge game - where, ominously, I am playing Turkey and was just stabbed by Russia in the Spring of 1902 (Austria at least showed some manners and declared on me in Spring of 1901!) :rotfl:

:shifty: or maybe it's just me???


Turkey's a good country. The one time I played it I got second in SC amount, but Germany managed to solo (with fifteen centers, the rules were edited so the game wouldn't last forever)
A little trick I tried is holding A Smyrna in S01, but arrange a bounce with them in the black sea. This will show your goodwill towards russia without making you too vulnerable, as you can always prevent Russia from entering Armenia anyway.:)

Now I am going to enter in an actual online team tournament with turkey. Will be the first time for me, and it sounds pretty fun :) I'm not planning to win though. But maybe my team is!

Right, forgot the deadline, sorry. The deadline for build orders will be tomorrow Thursday, 20:00 GMT (23 hours from this post). The deadline for spring movement orders will be three days later, i.e. Sunday, 20:00 GMT.

Now I am going to enter in an actual online team tournament with turkey. Will be the first time for me, and it sounds pretty fun I'm not planning to win though. But maybe my team is!

:hmm: A team tournament? how does that work? Does everyone on the team have to approve the wording of all the letters to all the powers? That sounds like it would take forever!!

As far as Turkey goes, it's crucial to get your fleet into the Aegean before anyone else - almost more crucial than the Black Sea, in my [limited] experience. That means, like you said, leaving the Army in Smyrna so that there's room for the Fleet to pass through the Bosporus. Clearly, this is antagonistic to Austria, but you've got to move somewhere! :crazyeye:

Nah. The only crucial thing for any faction in the game is to dictate the diplomacy, which is what the game is all about. Be active in the diplomacy. Point out to the one you wish to ally with just why he should ally with you and not your intended adversary. Put yourself in the advantageous position with respect to the diplomacy. What that is can and will definitely vary from game to game.

For this game, you didn't lose because you did a bad move, or because you failed to make a crucial move. You lost because Paul suspected that you would strike him, and moved accordingly, which made it more advantageous for me to ally with him than with you. Or because you failed to persuade me to stick to your side.

These are just my 2 Austro-Hungarian forint, if I'm an expert it's only a self-proclaimed one, feel free to disagree. ;)

Oh, no - I agree with you completely! It was not my intention to blame my performance in this game to a lack of mobility for my first Fleet. However, getting the Fleet into the Aegean by Fall 1901 provides a flexible platform for 1902 manouvers.

From the start, I was responding to moves that other powers prescribed, or advised, for me. BIG MISTAKE. In my Judge game, I tried to assume that role, but without success.

You lost because Paul suspected that you would strike him, and moved accordingly, which made it more advantageous for me to ally with him than with you. Or because you failed to persuade me to stick to your side.

This is painfully true. But there is one missing component to your analysis: Austria's role. Russia didn't attack Turkey solely based on Turkey's diplomacy, nor did Turkey threaten Russia without considering nothing but Russia's diplomacy. Austria expertly played both of us, a skill which I hope to emulate in the future :hatsoff:

I'm back and ready to GM. Niklas when have you set the deadline for.

cubsfan, are you sure? I'm happy to stay on as GM otherwise. If you do want to continue GMing, I would ask that you post better quality updates, like mine, and that you post a map (with the normal map style) with each update. And that you pay attention, you will find the deadline five posts before this one.

cubsfan, are you sure? ... And that you pay attention, you will find the deadline five posts before this one.
I recon your cubs might need all of your intention if my D'backs continue that way... :rolleyes:

However in a few days you might well be able to concentrate on other things than baseball... :p

edit: Whoever serves as the GM, could you provide a current jdip save for better operation planning and to reduce order notation errors?
I'd consider the save even more important than the screenies (for I can't watch those pictures at work :gripe: ).

:hmm: A team tournament? how does that work? Does everyone on the team have to approve the wording of all the letters to all the powers? That sounds like it would take forever!!

As far as Turkey goes, it's crucial to get your fleet into the Aegean before anyone else - almost more crucial than the Black Sea, in my [limited] experience. That means, like you said, leaving the Army in Smyrna so that there's room for the Fleet to pass through the Bosporus. Clearly, this is antagonistic to Austria, but you've got to move somewhere! :crazyeye:

Allright I'll tell you how it works in a bit more detail. :) First, people sign up for the tournament with a maximum of 147 spots. If they get less than that (which they usually do) they just take a number divisible by seven I think. Anyway, then people get 'drafted' into teams of seven people. Then, each team assigns one team member to a diplomatic power (like Turkey). Then, someone puts together games with seven people each (everyone from a different team) and with all the seven diplomatic powers. The team of which the most members solo in their games (or get as much SCs as possible) wins and gets a fictive award.

It's an annual tournament being held since 2000 on a certain diplomacy forum. The forum also hosts normal games, but the games might go slower than you'd like with deadlines every week so a game usually takes about six months. A plus side is that you don't need to spend a lot of time to your game every day. But if you want to get some more experience I'd suggest to play judge games like you're doing now. Anyway if you're interested I can get you a link to the forum :)

cubsfan, are you sure? I'm happy to stay on as GM otherwise. If you do want to continue GMing, I would ask that you post better quality updates, like mine, and that you post a map (with the normal map style) with each update. And that you pay attention, you will find the deadline five posts before this one.
Yeah I agree with that. I don't have any problems with you hosting Cubsfan, but doing the things niklas describes would make it more pleasant.

Update coming.d

Eh? Do you have people's orders? I have all but Russia's in my PM box at any rate.

Forward um to me. I have russias.

I've forwarded all of them.

It appears that I had Pauls old orders. Paul you have till midnight U.S central time. I will however be checking i periodicly before then.

Just sent my build order to cubsfan.

(Sorry for unnecessary delay once again :blush: )

Order Results:
Austria:
Builds a a army in Trieste.
Builds a army in Vienna
England:
Builds a fleet in edinburgh
Italy:
Builds a army in rome.
Builds a fleet in venice
Russia:
Russia: Builds a army in St. Petersburg
The File (http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/101788/Spring_1904.rar)
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x80/cubsfan6506/Fall1903builds.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x80/cubsfan6506/Fall1903buildsmy.jpg

Now did I really build a fleet in Venice? :crazyeye: If I continue to mis-write orders it will cost me dearly eventually. :(

EDIT: And the Turkish fleet still sails the Eastern Med! :eek:

:woohoo:

:aargh: Attention Men! :hammer:

This is the Admiral. It appears we've lost contact with HQ, and last we knew, the Russians and the Austrians were closing on Constantinople. I know, I know - I'm worried about my family too. But the best way to get home safely is for us to keep our heads on straight. So listen up!

:wow: Seaman! To the monoscope! Lookout for enemy fleets - especially Austrian ones!!


:gripe: Lieutenant! Set a course for Syria! We're gonna cause one helluva ruckus for that backstabbing Tzar! :spank:

And remember, boys - we can't count on support from anyone, so it's up to us to survive for as long as we can :salute:

Now did I really build a fleet in Venice? :crazyeye: If I continue to mis-write orders it will cost me dearly eventually. :(
Yeah, right... ;)

These misclicks in the turkish war also cost me dearly. Actually I wanted to attack Austria, but all my clicks went wrong...:rolleyes:
:gripe: Lieutenant! Set a course for Syria! We're gonna cause one helluva ruckus for that backstabbing Tzar! :spank:
I knew these turkish guys were hard-bitten. :mad:
We will send some torpedos in that direction... :p