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Kublai-Khan
Jun 04, 2002, 07:25 PM
They are all world class
By SHAUN CUSTIS

IT WAS enough to scare us half to death.


The manager sat on the stage and rattled off the strengths of Argentina without coming up for air.

He's brilliant, he's incredible, he's quick, he's a fantastic worker. It sounded like England were about to take on the World XI on Friday.

Had it been the Argentina boss we might have dismissed it as sabre rattling and a man talking up his boys for the big clash. But this was Sven Goran Eriksson!

Then again, Eriksson knows the Argentina side better than his own.

Five of their World Cup squad played for him at Lazio and he's come up against most of the others in Europe and Serie A.

Juan Veron, Manchester United's £28.1m misfit, is his favourite. He would kill to have Veron in England's central midfield like he did in Rome.

Eriksson said: "If I were his manager Veron wouldn't have anything to show me because I know exactly how good he is. He knows he's a big player and I know it.

"When I saw him in his first month at United he was absolutely fantastic and I don't know why he hasn't settled. He can do everything. He is complete as a football player.

"If you want he can defend extremely well. But his best skill is his vision and his passing."

The more cynical would argue that Veron has been saving himself for the World Cup and with his mates around him he is capable of causing plenty of trouble.
He's not the only one. How about Gabriel Batistuta, Argentina's match winner against Nigeria?

Eriksson can see danger there and rather hopefully asked: "Did I see he got injured the other day?"

Unfortunately, the ice pack on Batistuta's calf when he was substituted against the Nigerians was merely precautionary and he will be there on Friday.

Eriksson said: "I never had Batistuta but I know him very well.

"He is a goalscorer who can score from every angle and position. If he's coming together with a defender you cannot move him, he's like a block of granite.

"He is also good in the air as he showed with the goal he scored."

It was Eriksson who bought another Argentinian striker, Hernan Crespo, for £37m.

He said of him: "Crespo has more movement than Batistuta and is maybe technically better and a little bit different. He has scored a lot of goals in Italy."

Claudio Lopez and England's public enemy No1 Diego Simeone, the man kicked by David Beckham four years ago, are another couple of Sven's old cohorts.

It is the speed of Lopez which obviously concerns Eriksson. "Lopez is quick, quick, quick, quick, quick. The pace he has is incredible.

"He had a bad injury over a year ago and suffered but now he's back to where he was before the injury.

"Simeone is a hard worker. Tactically he's excellent and a team player, helping where he needs to be and is very professional. All of them are."

Of Ariel Ortega, who had a poor World Cup in 1998 but is threatening to be more influential in this one, Eriksson said: "Of course he's quick, quick, quick and can beat his man."

Only three quicks for Ortega so perhaps England have a sniff of a chance against him.

Even Eriksson laughed when it was suggested they might be vulnerable in goal. It was the only place left to look for a crumb of comfort.

"I will never tell you the negative aspects of a team but I hope there is something in their game we can exploit. They are one of the favourites, I've always said that.

"They are an extremely good team with very good players but it is not impossible to beat them, absolutely not."

Eriksson insisted Argentina will not be as 'in yer face' as Sweden and will allow England time on the ball.

He said: "I don't think Argentina are as aggressive as Sweden and won't use as direct football.

"If you don't keep the ball against Sweden it comes shooting back at you very fast. Against Argentina it will be different."


Former Spurs star and Argentina World Cup winner Ossie Ardiles admitted England will have to improve dramatically to win.

Ardiles said: "I was disappointed in England against the Swedes. It was poor stuff. There was a reliance on the long ball which I thought the English game had moved away from."

The England coaching team was meeting last night planning strategy.

Martin Keown could be used as a man-marker or Eriksson could switch to a 4-5-1 formation with Paul Scholes, Nicky Butt, Owen Hargreaves, David Beckham and Kieron Dyer packing midfield.

There are a thousand and one permutations. Eriksson must get it right.


http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,3-2002251676,00.html



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This scares me, we are getting a lot of good press outside, and here the people is really confident.Most of the people here believes that we are going to defeat England.
But I am scared, this looks like the "not even God can sink it" slogan of the titanic, if we lose to England it would be a real catastrophe.
They will make the biggest effort ever, because if they lose, they will probably get out of the world cup, added to the obvious animosity.
They are a though team, and we can as well tie or be defeated.
And if we get a considerable advantage, and it seems quite obvious our vistory, probably one of our players will end injured.

And if we win, and end at the top of our group, we will probably have to play against France with Zidane.
And that would be like an anticipated final, and we have the same chances of winning or losing.

It must be me and my pessimism.

How is this match being seen in England and the rest of the world?

Richard III
Jun 04, 2002, 07:40 PM
Ar-gen-tina!
Ar-gen-tina!
Ar-gen-tina!

If the passing tightens up, it'll be fine. Kick those English bastards!

(So what if I'm partly one of them. Kick! Kick!)

kittenOFchaos
Jun 04, 2002, 07:48 PM
I say send in the SAS...didn't fail us in the Falklands, won't fail us now :D

Kublai-Khan
Jun 04, 2002, 08:25 PM
RichardIII: It is unusual to see a Briton suporting argentina, Arent you going to get stoned to death by your compatriots?

KittenOfChaos: The gurkas would be better, they would even be more popular between the eastern audience.

Knight-Dragon
Jun 04, 2002, 08:34 PM
What time is the match? Today? 1st, 2nd or 3rd one of today?

Go Argentina go!!! :D

Smash
Jun 04, 2002, 09:27 PM
The game is on 07-06 13:30(CET)

The English side will have to improve dramitically if they are stay competitive.They looked a tad disorganized against Sweden.How much of this was Sweden's doing is arguable.It should be a physical match.I'm not sure who this favors.Beckham will do well stay clear of aggressive challenges.

Dell19
Jun 05, 2002, 02:55 AM
England will win 2-1, I can see it happening...;) And well if the USA can win against Portugal then we shouldbe able to win against Argentina.

Go England!

Black Fluffy Lion
Jun 05, 2002, 03:14 AM
Well realisticly I can see England might being able to pull off a draw...

1-1 is my prediction

Richard III
Jun 05, 2002, 04:59 AM
I have the distinct advantage of being a Briton in a former colonies. My british mother is one province away, and my british grandfather is four provinces away.

Argentina takes it, 3-2.

That whole Malvinas thing was just a terrible accident; I don't regard the Galtieri junta as an obvious bunch of Chilean spies, snukc in to destroy Chile's rival out of sheer jealousy for Argentina's beautiful women, fine culture and brilliant football skills.

And anyway, like every decent Briton, I'm 3/4s Scot!

Argentina! Argentina! Argentina!

Richard III
Jun 05, 2002, 05:03 AM
Whoops, it's early here. I meant "I don't regard the Galtieri junta as anything other than a bunch of Chilean spies, snuck in..."

animepornstar
Jun 05, 2002, 05:39 AM
i´m expecting an even better match than the one -98. low expections...:crazyeye: and just like the last time will the score be 2-2.
What time is the match? Today? 1st, 2nd or 3rd one of today? the 3rd one.

polymath
Jun 05, 2002, 06:22 AM
I have two hopes:
Argentina wil play dirty and "cheat", like the shameless Rivaldo, and they will get a man sent off. (This may not prevent them winning though.)
We get a couple of free kicks around the 30 yard mark, and Backham pops them both in.
If England do get a 30 yds free kick, we have a genuine goal chance - I think that is a great leveller. Having said that, Veron takes a very good free kick too.
I'd be more than happy with a point.

IceBlaZe
Jun 05, 2002, 06:25 AM
Go Englaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand!!!!! :D

I hope England wins.

Kublai-Khan
Jun 05, 2002, 06:46 AM
Originally posted by IceBlaZe
Go Englaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand!!!!! :D

I hope England wins.

HaHa, Brazil sucks so bad.
I am not afraid of Brazil, at all.

IceBlaZe
Jun 05, 2002, 07:35 AM
Originally posted by Kublai-Khan


HaHa, Brazil sucks so bad.
I am not afraid of Brazil, at all.

They've got more talent than Argentina would ever have, and they win. Let's see who reaches further...

Kublai-Khan
Jun 05, 2002, 08:43 AM
Originally posted by IceBlaZe


They've got more talent than Argentina would ever have, and they win. Let's see who reaches further...

Argentina is just simply strong and deep...they can put two teams together and perhaps play each other in the finals....Crespo, Lopez, Bati, Saviola, Ortega, Veron, Riquelme, Samuel etc etc.

You just have to see the players that we have sitted in the bench.

Anyway, I habe to stop bragging.


Pd:The group of Brazil is a joke, almost as bad as the Ronaldo acting.;)

JoeM
Jun 05, 2002, 09:20 AM
EEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGLLLLLLLLA AAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KublaiKhan, you clearly have no idea about football as the classiest foot-play has been by the Brazilians so far. And Ronaldo is not Rivaldo.

This cheers me because it indicates that you might also be clearly wrong about the Eng v Arg game :D

One touch from Simeone and that's it I won't be accountable for my countries reaction!

MrPresident
Jun 05, 2002, 10:19 AM
My Prediction: 3 - 1 to England.

Godinex
Jun 05, 2002, 11:12 AM
Costa Rica says: Go Argentina!
and to the brazilians... oh well... You know, your team s*cks... a little (I`m trying to be polite)

Kublai-Khan
Jun 05, 2002, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by Godinex
Costa Rica says: Go Argentina!
and to the brazilians... oh well... You know, your team s*cks... a little (I`m trying to be polite)

Thanks.:goodjob:


Nice psalm your signature.

Civman10
Jun 05, 2002, 12:27 PM
England need to keep possession and make Argentina frustrated and use our pace to score goals like Owen did in 98 GOOOOOOALLLLL!!!!!!!!!!

My prediction 1:1 or 1:0 to England

If England lose they can still go through because the sweds will lose to Argentina and England will more goals against nigeria:goodjob:


Go England :D

Lord_Vetinari
Jun 05, 2002, 02:51 PM
If England lose they can still go through because the sweds will lose to Argentina and England will more goals against nigeria

Don't be so sure of that. I'm not saying this because I think Sweden has any realistic chance of winning agains Argentina at their best, but remember those three factors:

1. If Argentina have already qualified, they might not play at their best, and perhaps even save some of their better players for the playoffs

2. Argentina might want to loose the game since there is a very real chance of France ending up second in their group. Winning our group, Argentina would then have to face France with Zidane back on his feet. They would probably much rather face Denmark or Senegal, don't you think?

3. An Argentina player from the 1986 squad said in an interview that they might to play to lose against Sweden if that meant keeping England out of the playoffs. He must really hate England:D

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that if Sweden ever had a chance of beating Argentina in a World Cup game, this is it. Go Sweden:goodjob:

Kublai-Khan
Jun 05, 2002, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by Lord_Vetinari


Don't be so sure of that. I'm not saying this because I think Sweden has any realistic chance of winning agains Argentina at their best, but remember those three factors:

1. If Argentina have already qualified, they might not play at their best, and perhaps even save some of their better players for the playoffs

2. Argentina might want to loose the game since there is a very real chance of France ending up second in their group. Winning our group, Argentina would then have to face France with Zidane back on his feet. They would probably much rather face Denmark or Senegal, don't you think?

3. An Argentina player from the 1986 squad said in an interview that they might to play to lose against Sweden if that meant keeping England out of the playoffs. He must really hate England:D

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that if Sweden ever had a chance of beating Argentina in a World Cup game, this is it. Go Sweden:goodjob:


That is so true,
in the classification games, we were already qualified with a lot of months of advantage, and we had to face Uruguay, our brothers.
Uruguay, had no chance at all to defeat us, so we purposely tied, to allow Uruguay to go to the world cup (it was their last chance), the next day all the newspapers in Uruguay said, Thank you Big Brothers, or Between friends, that kind of titles, and we did that also to keep Chile (our historical enemy of the region) out of the cup.
If we had defeated Uruguay, Chile would have qualified.


Option 2 is quite possible.:lol:

Baleog
Jun 05, 2002, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by Kublai-Khan



That is so true,
in the classification games, we were already qualified with a lot of months of advantage, and we had to face Uruguay, our brothers.
Uruguay, had no chance at all to defeat us, so we purposely tied, to allow Uruguay to go to the world cup (it was their last chance), the next day all the newspapers in Uruguay said, Thank you Big Brothers, or Between friends, that kind of titles, and we did that also to keep Chile (our historical enemy of the region) out of the cup.
If we had defeated Uruguay, Chile would have qualified.


Option 2 is quite possible.:lol:

I've said before that I'd like Argentina to win because of what the Argentinian people had gone through. But now I've changed my tune. That is CHEATING. I don't really like Chile, but my heart goes out to them. Football is football, not politics.

Kublai-Khan
Jun 05, 2002, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by Baleog


I've said before that I'd like Argentina to win because of what the Argentinian people had gone through. But now I've changed my tune. That is CHEATING. I don't really like Chile, but my heart goes out to them. Football is football, not politics.

It was not cheating, would you make an uruguayan cry?:(

Baleog
Jun 05, 2002, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by Kublai-Khan


It was not cheating, would you make an uruguayan cry?:(

(Spoken in a Monty Burns/Simon Darkshade personna) -

Excellent

:mwaha:

Ezekyel
Jun 05, 2002, 07:00 PM
Im just praying for another Hand of God!!!!
Minute 90, match 0-0, a little hand appears from nowhere, minute 91, England 0 Argentina 1, minute 93... Dont cry for me England!!!! :goodjob:

Richard III
Jun 05, 2002, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by Kublai-Khan


It was not cheating, would you make an uruguayan cry?:(

Didn't the uruguayan president just tell a TV camera that all Argentine politicians were corrupt thieves? Is that how they repay you for cheating for them? (irony, irony?)

Dell19
Jun 06, 2002, 01:30 AM
How about when Germany needed to win against Austria to go through to the next stage and suprisingly Germany scored the first goal and for the rest of the game, it stayed that way. So its not just Argentina who bend the rules.

polymath
Jun 06, 2002, 01:40 AM
I really don't think anyone is remotely surprised by Argentinian cheating - it's one of the things their football team is famous for. Kicking is the other one. :lol:

andycapp
Jun 06, 2002, 03:29 AM
England? Or Argentina? :confused: Or should I wish for a great match with victory going to the better side. Yep, that's what I'll do and the winner will be Soccer - err, football. :D

Simon Darkshade
Jun 06, 2002, 03:33 AM
Originally posted by andycapp
England? Or Argentina? :confused: Or should I wish for a great match with victory going to the better side. Yep, that's what I'll do and the winner will be Soccer - err, football. :D

Or you could just watch the real footy, and listen to McGuire lose his head as per usual.:D

andycapp
Jun 06, 2002, 03:57 AM
Originally posted by Simon Darkshade


Or you could just watch the real footy, and listen to McGuire lose his head as per usual.:D

Brilliant as usual Darkshade! :D And may the mighty Bombers crush that rabble from Port Adelaide! :mwaha:

Wait, I've had a vision - England 2-0 - hmm, time for my medication. :crazyeye:

Simon Darkshade
Jun 06, 2002, 04:11 AM
Originally posted by andycapp
Brilliant as usual Darkshade! :D And may the mighty Bombers crush that rabble from Port Adelaide! :mwaha:

Wait, I've had a vision - England 2-0 - hmm, time for my medication. :crazyeye:

:mwaha: I hope they do tear them to itty bitty pieces, and trample them into the turf at Docklands. :D
That'll make the players less up themselves when ye bump into them at the pub. :D
And you are in definite need of medication if ye are thinkin' about soccer in footy season. :mwaha:

I predict that there will be a British tabloid headline: GOTCHA! British attack sub sinks Argie soccer team! :D :lol:

;)

Kublai-Khan
Jun 06, 2002, 05:29 AM
Originally posted by Richard III


Didn't the uruguayan president just tell a TV camera that all Argentine politicians were corrupt thieves? Is that how they repay you for cheating for them? (irony, irony?)

:D

Yes, and he came ysterday to the residence of olivos "our white house" and cried for forgiveness in front of all the cameras od Argentina.

Hilarious!:lol:

polymath
Jun 06, 2002, 06:33 AM
I guess all the corrupt Argie Politicians must have put the frighteners on him.

Baleog
Jun 06, 2002, 06:43 AM
Originally posted by Dell19
How about when Germany needed to win against Austria to go through to the next stage and suprisingly Germany scored the first goal and for the rest of the game, it stayed that way. So its not just Argentina who bend the rules.

Yeah the only way both sides, Austria and Germany, would both go through was with a 1-0 victory to Germany. Both sides cheated. They stopped playing after the first goal. The German commentator refused to commentate for the last 20mins, so disgusted was he.

Dell19
Jun 07, 2002, 03:11 AM
Well the game is getting closer...Only an hour to go!