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duke o' york
Jun 07, 2002, 05:23 AM
I haven't included a score in the title to this thread because it's only half time, but Beckham's penalty puts England 1-0 ahead as the teams leave the field! :D
I say thank you to Pierluigi Collina - scoffed at by others in the favourite player thread. :p
I wish that we were allowed a telly at work. :( The woman who sits beside me has got a pocket TV but the screen's about the size of two postage stamps and you can't make out which player is which. Apparently my firm hasn't got a TV licence. :(
Enjoy the 2nd half everyone who is so addicted to this site that they have rushed away from the TV to come here and make daft posts like this one! :D


This is the thread for serious discussion and analysis of the two teams' performances - to make posts mostly consisting of smilies then go to Dell's thread. ;)

Daaraa
Jun 07, 2002, 05:27 AM
What a game so far! I even woke up a bit early to watch it :)
Halftime might be over soon. I hope it ends up 3 or 4 -0 That would be nice :D

Richard III
Jun 07, 2002, 05:44 AM
Beckham will rot in hell for this! His hair will singe as he is lowered to the fiery depths!

R.III

duke o' york
Jun 07, 2002, 06:05 AM
Well since Canada aren't in the World Cup then I'd have thought that you might follow England, although the substitution of our Canadian midfielder in the first half may make this game less interesting for you. :(

Dell19
Jun 07, 2002, 06:28 AM
1-0 Yey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Daaraa
Jun 07, 2002, 06:31 AM
I support England and most of the people I know around here support England. I'm glad they held on. Geez it looked close a couple of times. England 1 Argentina 0 :)

andycapp
Jun 07, 2002, 06:34 AM
Good game. England had chances early in the second half to make it 2-0 and then withstood pressure on their goal for the last twenty minutes.

Congrats to the Poms! :goodjob:

duke o' york
Jun 07, 2002, 06:34 AM
Sorry DaaRaa, I didn't mean you - I was addressing yon Shakespearean ham who is also a Canada-ian. :)

A good result though and it should make things a lot easier for us to progress through to the next round. Where I want to play Senegal! :D

Dell19
Jun 07, 2002, 06:36 AM
It was a great result. Until the last 20 minutes England completely dominated the game and were so unlucky not to get a second goal.

Richard III
Jun 07, 2002, 06:41 AM
Originally posted by Dell19
It was a great result. Until the last 20 minutes England completely dominated the game and were so unlucky not to get a second goal.

??? What a crock. "So unlucky?" They were lucky to get the first, and were shooting no better than the Argies when the opportunities presented themselves.

England won because Argentina blends a dollop of skill with a few moments of undisciplined play, and guess what won it - a penalty kick given to England by the latter. England and Argentina were evenly matched for the first half, and then we all saw firsthand who was the weaker team when England sat cornered around its own goal like a bunch of terrorized lemmings for virtually all of the second half.

Subtract Sinclair from the mix, knock out the penalty, and then compare what's left to the Nigerians, and I'd give the nod to the Nigerians.

R.III

Dell19
Jun 07, 2002, 06:47 AM
Take away the last twenty minutes and England were the better team...Owen had about 2 good chances to score and there were several other chances to score as well so there :p

Suppersalmon
Jun 07, 2002, 06:57 AM
England were brilliant especialy Butt

Greeny
Jun 07, 2002, 07:00 AM
Did u see that great change by Sheringham in the second half? There wsa 17! yes 17! passes in the build up! Hard to belive it was England playing :p . GREAT GAME WOOHOO!!!:crazyeye:

kittenOFchaos
Jun 07, 2002, 07:21 AM
Richard III I don't think football analysis is really your field...

A terrific result for England and evidence that the team has alot of vigour that was evidently missing in that first game against Sweden.

I say 2 - 0 against Nigeria!

Dell19
Jun 07, 2002, 07:26 AM
I think he is just annoyed that England won...:)

Hitro
Jun 07, 2002, 08:14 AM
Keep it real guys. England were slightly better than a catastrophic Argentinian team, but not more. If you combine this match and the Sweden match there's no reason to think England would be better than any other of the favourites.
Which is the cool thing about this World Cup.

MrPresident
Jun 07, 2002, 08:29 AM
On that performance I think we can go all the way.

JoeM
Jun 07, 2002, 08:47 AM
Kublai_Khan, Ezeykel never show your shameful faces on this thread!


HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAH AH AH A ad infinitum! (Chokes to death)

Richard III
Jun 07, 2002, 11:46 AM
Well put Hitro.

They were grossly equal in the first half, and Argentina dominated the second. Now that my rage has subsided, I will concede that they didn't dominate the second enough to score (!) but that doesn't take away from the fact that suggesting this was some sort of triumph of Anglo skill, limited only by bad luck, is a bit silly. They won because of decent luck, and little more. Without that luck, it would probably have been tied, the way they were playing.

I'm at a loss as to how Owen having a few good chances to score is any different from Argentina creating just as many, if not more chances.

Yes, as Hitro said, "Get real." And he, unlike the rest of us, has the benefit of being a neutral observer. :D

(And Kitten, I've been watching WCups since you were in diapers, so kitten up)

AVN
Jun 07, 2002, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by andycapp
Good game. England had chances early in the second half to make it 2-0 and then withstood pressure on their goal for the last twenty minutes.

Congrats to the Poms! :goodjob:

So, you do understand something of one of the most important sports in the world.;) ;)

I thought you had only interest in cricket, rugby and australian football.

Your post in this thread was a great surprise for me.

BTW : A few years ago I have seen a few games of australian football on TV, and allthough I don't know much about this game, I admit it's quite spectacular and exciting.

philippe
Jun 07, 2002, 12:57 PM
so they won witha penalty?well i think its was better if it was a draw....

JoeM
Jun 07, 2002, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by Richard III
. Now that my rage has subsided,

...you should get over whatever hippy-trip you're on!

We won!

And we won fair and square!

And we didn't cheat!

And we DIDN'T cheat!

CrazyDuck
Jun 07, 2002, 03:47 PM
England played exceptionally today and anyone who says otherwise is either mad, blind or an argie :)

in all truth we should of closed the game out in the first 15 mins of the 2nd half though

andycapp
Jun 07, 2002, 06:42 PM
Originally posted by AVN


So, you do understand something of one of the most important sports in the world.;) ;)

I thought you had only interest in cricket, rugby and australian football.

Your post in this thread was a great surprise for me.

I enjoy a 'good' game of soccer and played a bit when I was at school (many years ago), indeed I enjoy most sports with the exception of Rugby League which IMO is a debased and bastardized version of Rugby.

Here in Australia the local Soccer competition is a joke and we lose most of our good players to British and European clubs eg. Kewel, Bosnich etc.

BTW : A few years ago I have seen a few games of australian football on TV, and allthough I don't know much about this game, I admit it's quite spectacular and exciting.

Aussie Rules is a 'spectacular and exciting" game. To be one of 100,000 at the MCG watching James Hird weave his magic for the Mighty Bombers (Essendon) is a truly great experience - hope you get the chance to experience it sometime AVN. :)

And to those questioning England's performance - all you can do is win and they did. Of course that's no guarantee for the match against Nigeria - but it sure beats a loss! :crazyeye:

Dell19
Jun 08, 2002, 01:11 AM
Originally posted by philippe
so they won witha penalty?well i think its was better if it was a draw....

Oh it was a definate win for England...

philippe
Jun 08, 2002, 02:23 AM
Originally posted by Dell19


Oh it was a definate win for England...
well it was that i just heard of some friend of me about the match.
didnt know he was pro argentina....
i later watched the match and i admit.england deserved to win!:goodjob:

Suppersalmon
Jun 08, 2002, 09:54 AM
Argetna may have thehand of God
But we have The foot of God ( David Beckham)

the celebrations were briliant were i live every one came out of the pubs and held all the trafic up :D :D

Kublai-Khan
Jun 09, 2002, 01:23 PM
****, how disappointing, I went to the house of a friend that ive not seen in a long time specially to watch the match with him and we lost.

Grr, it sucks.

England played simply better 60 minutes of the 90, and they could have won 2 to 0 or even 1 to 0 without the penalty, I thought that we could tiedlike Ireland until the end of the match.

Anyway, Beckham is not the foot of god at all, all he did was to kick a penalty :confused:
The second goal to the english in 1986, that was impressive, not the penalty.

Now, we have to defeat Sweden to go on in the world cup, that will be difficult, i wont see the match, i will wake up at 6 am at the time of the end of the match just to see the results.Otherwise i would be to nervous.

Baleog
Jun 09, 2002, 03:42 PM
It wasn't even a good penalty. In football you need a bit of luck that the keeper will go the wrong way. Had he gone the right way it'd have been saved.

Baleog
Jun 09, 2002, 03:45 PM
I have to say if Argentina had "tied like Ireland", it wouldn't have been deserved. I don't feel Argentina played well enough to justify going home with a point, despite their extra possession.

EED16
Jun 09, 2002, 03:48 PM
a mi me parece que son una manga de giles que no saben un carajo de futbol. Inglaterra planteo la estrategia mas mediocre . hicieron un gol con un penal que bekham pateo como un nene de 3 aņos y despues se tiraron atras como los mas cagones. encima cambiaron a owen por un gil, para que se paren y tapen el arco. faltaba que se cuelguen del travezaņo. asi no van a llegar muy lejos . chau amargos avisenme cuando aprendan a ver un partido
ED Patagonia Argentina

philippe
Jun 09, 2002, 04:02 PM
well EED16 their strategcy wasnt mediocre
i think owen played a good game

Dell19
Jun 10, 2002, 02:04 AM
EED16 this is an English speaking forum and I believe its in the rules that members are not allowed to make entire posts in a different languauge.

polymath
Jun 10, 2002, 03:36 AM
"It wasn't even a good penalty" - Baleog
What a load of tummyrubbish!
If you watch the replay, Beckham plants his left foot exactly as if he's shooting to the bottom left corner, and sends it slightly right of the middle. I don't think he hit it quite perfectly, but he certainly bamboozles the keeper.

Adamski
Jun 10, 2002, 04:01 AM
Well the facts speak for themselves. This was the most important result for English football since they beat Cameroon in 1990 to go on and meet Germany in the World Cup semi-final. I was watching that game in Amsterdam and it was a blast I can tell you. I then saw the tragic penalty shootout loss in a London pub where the Englsih were not gracious losers. Anybody who left their BMW parked outside in London that evening, had a sorry sight in the morning.:hammer:

This English team has a lot to like about it. I'm a Kiwi obviously, but I sense a certain bond about them, and I feel involved with these guys. They're young, confidant, and they've shown they can foot it with the best. Sure they defended their box in the last 30, but who wouldn't in that situation. If they can go on to survive the group, not many teams will want to face England in the knockouts. Mikey Owen looks like he's coming into some form at just about the right time. Anyone who saw what he did to Arsenal last year in the FA Cup Final won't forget what he's about, not to mention that rocket against Argentina in '98:sheep: go you good things.

JoeM
Jun 10, 2002, 06:56 AM
I posted somewehere that the best way to beat Argentina would be by our own handball (not really), a la H of G, then I saw 'Mike Bassett: England Manager' the other night. Looks like someone already thought of that. ;)


1-Nil! 1-Nil!

Milvus
Jun 10, 2002, 12:10 PM
Let's just hope that Sweden do the decent thing and take their golden opportunity to knock the Argies out.

Potentially a second round without France, Argentina, Italy, Germany, Portugal, etc there really could be a shock winner this year. So come on Denmark, Sweden, Mexico, Cameroon & Korea do your stuff!

FredLC
Jun 10, 2002, 05:09 PM
With all the trouble that is going on in Argentina, i really imagined that i would support them a little, just for the success in soccer helps them to re-build their self-confidence... but no game. As compassionate as i am with their terrible crises, i still gets excited every time they loose a soccer match (or any match in any game that we brazilians play too).

Point is, despite my opinion not being exactly neutral, i think that England deserved their victory. The flaws of the Argentina's team were exposed in the game.

They wanted to repeat the very advanced defense line that they used against Nigeria, and this does create the image of territorial control... but on the other hand, makes them very vulnerable to a fast counter-strike, as Owen have shown. Also, if the defender looses the dispute, there will be a vast space for the adversarie to advance.

If i recall correctly, the last defeat of Argentina before this game was to us, in the world cup qualifying tournament, in very alike conditions; they tried to suffocate us and, with fast response, our first line of advanced defenders ("volantes" in brazilian portuguese, i really don't recall how that position is called in english) opened their own defense and our foward people were able to score three goals.

It was deep within the streak of Brazil's bad results those last two years, and i recall the headlines in Buenos Aires after we won that game 3-1: "The Giant Has Awaken". Too bad we went to sleep again in our following matches... :) . It shows very well that they do have a strong defense system, but it's vulnerable to any team that don't get impressed and have skilled players that can win one-to-one tackles, such as Brazil, such as England - even if they are not in their most inspired time.

In the game itself, the fact that England have shrinked in the last minutes does not take away the beauty of the victory. It was an important match, and Argentina is a serious foe. I do not agree with giving up offense completely as they did, but i think it was a reasonable strategie while Owen was in the field, specially because his runs were the most effect weapon they had through all the game.

Nonetheless, i doubt that Argentina will be out before the next stage. I trully believe they will go on, what creates the perfect scenario for a Brazil X Argentina in the 2th round of the playoffs, something that happened for the last time in 1990, when they have thrown us out (1 X 0).

I'm hoping we can do what englishman did and taste the sweet revenge.

Regards :) .

JoeM
Jun 11, 2002, 02:04 AM
We may be looking at Brazil v. England which is a match I've been waiting for for years!

But I'll keep my mouth shut until we see tomorrow's results...

philippe
Jun 11, 2002, 10:03 AM
joem dont count on it.it will be belgium vs england;)