Did Owen really earn that penalty? I only saw one shot of it on the telly and I'm SURE he wasn't even touched by the defender.

Did he dive then? Will he be fined a massive £5000 in a few days time?

If you see the camera from the side line (the one nearest to the dug outs) then it clearly looks like a penalty. From another view it looks like they may not have been contact but it was a stupid challenge that was very risky and had a high probability of resulting in a penalty.

Yeah - one of the people I watched it with said the same. I cant really argue with any conviction that it WASN'T a penalty - just a shame they couldn't have won it with a better goal though, that Scholes shot would have a beauty.

Scholes shot
Owen shot
Sheringham shot
Beckham shot

Any of them. Just pick one, we won and we DESERVED to win!

YYYYEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!

I don't think there was any contact. Owen was diving but the defender was stupid enough to give Collina a reason to reward a penalty.

Collina is one of the best referees (if not the best) in the world. He had a clear view of the challenge and immediately gave a penalty. This to me is enough proof that it was a penalty.

Originally posted by MrPresident
Collina is one of the best referees (if not the best) in the world. He had a clear view of the challenge and immediately gave a penalty. This to me is enough proof that it was a penalty.

Exactly.


End of thread.

Probably the only incident in the game that wasn't a dive. Apart from that time Batistuta took out Cole, and then had the cheek to claim Cole dived.

The defender Pochettino got, at best, hardly any contact on Owen. What sickens me is not that England won, but that the game was decided by the referee giving a marginal decision.

Maybe he was pushed, but he did fall very easily, I mean the push wasn't very hard.
I guess it's anyway useless at this time to discuss about it any more...

Wizard

It looked to me he was going for the ball and owen just juked to his right w/ the ball making the defender hit his shin. No question that the fall was at least a little over acted. If Owen is so weak that a slight touch like that will take him out, I'm suprised the physical play of Argentina didn't kill him!

What I love is when guys celebrate like they just showed the most amazing skill or they're soo shocked and happy when they make a PK. I mean if it was a hard foul that had the intention of hurting a teammate, yeah, party like it's 1999, but on something like that, tip your hat(figuratively) for your fans and get on w/ it!

come on it was a penalty. he was clearly fouled. Remember Owen was dribbling cross the defender and thus only slight contact would be needed to bring him down. also owen is a small bloke and thus is easier to bring down

If that Argentinian was going for the ball then he has the reactions of a female driver on a mobile phone.


Though I wouldn't ever feel sorry for Argentina if it wasn't a penalty as they pride themselves for "the hand of god" and whose amateur dramatics got Beckham sent off in 1998.


Hangings too good for them :D

Originally posted by Myartar
What I love is when guys celebrate like they just showed the most amazing skill or they're soo shocked and happy when they make a PK. I mean if it was a hard foul that had the intention of hurting a teammate, yeah, party like it's 1999, but on something like that, tip your hat(figuratively) for your fans and get on w/ it!

So happy that I'm not the only one who believes this.

A number of my friends have an expression for winning a game of pool because the other guy accidentally sunk the 8 ball. "It's like winning the world cup with a penalty kick." Yeah, it's a win, but as my friend Victor says, "its the sort of win you should be ashamed to have, because it's not like you actually earned it."

R.III

A goal is a goal...I'm sure ever team would rather win with a penalty rather than lose to a normal goal...

Well it looked like there was marginal contact but owen was in a precarious position when the contact was made so it made the fall look a bit more spectatular than might normally have been the case.

On the other hand maybe its just divine retribution from the "Hand of God" :)

:goodjob: to England! It could happen.... :D

I think Owen was fouled and the penalty was deserved. I also think he did embelish it a bit, but the foul did occur and the call was correct. The same play would have been called a foul outside the box, but defenders just cannot afford to flail as aggressively inside the penalty area.

If you consider that Owen really only needed a half-step to unleash a decent shot at close range, you can see how he was robbed of that when he was fouled. The penalty is nothing to be ashamed of. It was not a gift.