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Optimizer
Sep 18, 2007, 10:02 PM
So far we know very little about CivRev.

It will be console-based, and the graphics will be very cartoonish. Apparently the game aims towards a younger, more mainstream audience.

Will this be a problem? Will we lose strategic depth, historical realism and customizability from Civ 4?

cubsfan6506
Sep 18, 2007, 10:52 PM
No we lost all of that stuff in civ4. We will find no traces of what was still left from ci3.

Sisiutil
Sep 18, 2007, 11:21 PM
No we lost all of that stuff in civ4. We will find no traces of what was still left from ci3.

Oh, boo-hoo. :rolleyes: ;)

Dezzilisk
Sep 18, 2007, 11:21 PM
Civ 4 is a far cry from civ3 which had many things wrong with it but to be honest i enjoyed more.

I doubt ill play CivRev

polyphemus
Sep 19, 2007, 12:47 AM
This game is a revamped version of CIV 4 aimed at those that want toplay civ4 yet their computer does not allow it. I know I will get the game...

Xavier Von Erck
Sep 19, 2007, 02:37 AM
This game is targeted towards 12 year olds and people like Paris Hilton.

They got the first five letters right in CivRev. Instead though, it should be CivRetards: Civilization for .

Warned! - Trolling

player1 fanatic
Sep 19, 2007, 02:56 AM
Don't underestimate 12-olders.
I had 12 years when I started playing Civ1.

And truth to be told, Civ1 is much more simpler then, for example, Civ3 or Civ4.

As someone much older I can appreciate more complex games like Civ4, but I don't know would've I started playing Civ then, if it was like now.

Veggiehater
Sep 19, 2007, 03:30 AM
I for one am cautiously optimistic and very excited to try out a portable version of Civ (DS version I'm looking at you!)

Cilpot
Sep 19, 2007, 03:32 AM
Each game added more depth. How can people say that Civ IV is more shallow than Civ III ? Because of more saturated graphics? To me it just sounds like the old tiring fanboy-whining. The same that came from the II-fanboys when III was released.

This game is targeted towards 12 year olds and people like Paris Hilton.

They got the first five letters right in CivRev. Instead though, it should be CivRetards: Civilization for .

I for one am going to enjoy CivRev. Even if it makes me a , Paris Hilton or a 12-year old :)

Dezzilisk
Sep 19, 2007, 03:35 AM
I'd rather be a 12 year old than Paris hilton:lol:

CloudedSun
Sep 19, 2007, 03:42 AM
Can't judge it until we see it. And I don't think it'll be a problem if it is less complicated than Civ III or Civ IV. After all, isn't Civ a broad church? There's nothing wrong with having a hard core version like Civ IV for the serious player, and a lighter version for those new to the game. After all, we don't disrespect someone now just because they like an older version or because they never play at deity.

I for one am going to welcome all the CivRev players as comrades when the game arrives.

SG-17
Sep 19, 2007, 05:06 AM
From the videos Ive seen, it is like Civ4 but plays much faster, like an hour and a half for each game, I hope you can adjust it.

Lachlan
Sep 19, 2007, 05:12 AM
Bah if Revolution is Civ with more fun, why not ?

i loved CTP which was more fun than even Civ 4, this Civ 4 who has all stollen to CTP ;)

morikaweb
Sep 19, 2007, 05:32 AM
It sounds like a fun game. Finally something worthy to play on my Wii well I sit and wait for RPG's to be released.

I just hope it has different mode's like Civ IV so people who want a fast and easy game can have it, and people who want a long slow haul (like me :) ) can have that too.

Endwar 005
Sep 19, 2007, 07:01 AM
I second that, for sure! An hour and a half is wayyy too fast.

The only problem, for me, of bringing this to a console it that i'll have to get the console :lol:

grahamiam
Sep 19, 2007, 07:25 AM
I for one am cautiously optimistic and very excited to try out a portable version of Civ (DS version I'm looking at you!)
ditto. I don't like many of the strategy games currently available for the DS, so I'm hoping CivRev is good for this platform. I'm definitely not expecting a replacement for PC Civ based on what I've read so far, and that's fine with me.

If Civ5 is console only or a dumbed-down console port, then I'll be worried. However, I'm hoping that CivRev is thier branch for the consoles (and will go to CivRev 2, 3, etc), while PC players will still have the complex TBS that we've come to expect since Civ 1.

Angst
Sep 19, 2007, 08:02 AM
I think the design's interesting.

polyphemus
Sep 19, 2007, 08:25 AM
It sounds like a fun game. Finally something worthy to play on my Wii well I sit and wait for RPG's to be released.

I just hope it has different mode's like Civ IV so people who want a fast and easy game can have it, and people who want a long slow haul (like me :) ) can have that too.


They said the WII version is going to come out later becuase they want to take advantage of all the interface features. I wonder how they'll impliment the remote...

morikaweb
Sep 19, 2007, 10:05 AM
They said the WII version is going to come out later becuase they want to take advantage of all the interface features. I wonder how they'll impliment the remote...

I'm assuming the remote will be used essentially the way a mouse is used in the PC version. This would give the Wii a far more user friendly interface than any other console, with the possible exception of the DS's touch screen.

Just too bad they are like everyone else and not truly giving the wii the same development priority as the other consoles receive.

Bast
Sep 19, 2007, 11:44 AM
I'm pretty sure Paris Hilton doesn't play Civilization in any shape or form. :lol:

polyphemus
Sep 19, 2007, 03:48 PM
I'm assuming the remote will be used essentially the way a mouse is used in the PC version. This would give the Wii a far more user friendly interface than any other console, with the possible exception of the DS's touch screen.

Just too bad they are like everyone else and not truly giving the wii the same development priority as the other consoles receive.

It's understandable tha tthe Wii takes longer. They have to make all three controllers (remote, nunchuck, and gamepad) compatible with the game along with implimenting the motion senosr where as with the xbox 360, they just have to mod the comtroller in and the ps3 just has the controller plus the 6 axis sensor.

Xavier Von Erck
Sep 19, 2007, 06:40 PM
I'm pretty sure Paris Hilton doesn't play Civilization in any shape or form. :lol:

This game isn't a true civilization game in any shape or form. ;)

Abaddon
Sep 20, 2007, 08:08 AM
Civ Rev will push the developers to think in a new direction, who knows it may push up some gems that will make it into future PC versions of Civ.

dh_epic
Sep 20, 2007, 04:36 PM
Console games aren't so much about an age group as it is about an experience. People might sit in front of their computer in their study for 12 hours. But when it comes to sitting in front of their TV to play a game, they might not play as long. A PC game might have dozens of different buttons, but a console game has a more simple move/action control.

There's a different audience, alright. But I don't think console gamers are stupid for wanting a quicker experience. You could easily make the counter-argument: maybe playing a 12 hour marathon multi-player session is pretty stupid.

The real answer is it's a matter of taste.

SwordofStriker
Sep 21, 2007, 12:58 PM
If CivRev makes me Paris Hilton, then I'll be in my room (not because I was court ordered), as Paris Hilton, and if you ask me, I'll tell you "it's hot." ;)

Abaddon
Sep 21, 2007, 01:07 PM
lol, yeah - i wouldnt be too concerned either

Gre_Magus
Sep 27, 2007, 01:37 PM
CivRev is definitely for a different audience - the question is, will this different audience (the console audience) go for it?
One of the great things about Civ (beyond the strategy per se) has been it's sense of grandeur. You could build a civilization to stand the test of time! I don't know if that kind of feeling can be duplicated in an hour and a half. Is the fun of marching goofy looking Roman legions around and making a skimpily-clad animated Cleopatra mad going to translated into a compelling game?

OverloadUT
Sep 28, 2007, 07:11 PM
This game is targeted towards 12 year olds and people like Paris Hilton.

They got the first five letters right in CivRev. Instead though, it should be CivRetards: Civilization for .

Warned! - Trolling

"Critics who treat adult as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves." -C.S. Lewis

Seriously, could you sound any more immature?

Mesix
Nov 01, 2007, 08:20 AM
I for one am cautiously optimistic and very excited to try out a portable version of Civ (DS version I'm looking at you!)

Yeah, but since the protable version will only be released for the DS, they must really be targeting the 12 years and under crowd. If you want the game to appeal to a grown up audience, it should be available on the PSP or Pocket PC for a mobile platform.

Keith_C
Nov 01, 2007, 08:52 AM
Who says only kids have a DS? My wife and I have a DS - currently shared but the odds of us having one each are growing, simply because it's fun to play. We both enjoy plying Civ 4 on the PC (usually on the laptop in bed/on the sofa) - yet we both think the idea of a quicker, simpler, Civ experience on the move in very appealing, especially for whiling away long journeys or similar.

Padma
Nov 01, 2007, 07:21 PM
I'm 53. My wife and I currently share a DS. (We also share it with our grandkids. :rolleyes: )

I'm reserving my comment about CivRev until I see it at Firaxis next week.

DanQ
Nov 22, 2007, 07:41 PM
Apparently the game aims towards a younger, more mainstream audience.
A different audience, yes. Mainstream? Maybe... Younger? As a few others have already said in this thread, no -- not necessarily.

bmc
Dec 30, 2007, 04:28 AM
i dont know, besides the fact that i dont have a new console, it seems like CivRev will be like a watered down version of IV and i have a pre conceived notion that i will not like it.

bernie77
Dec 30, 2007, 11:26 AM
I myself would like a quicker and simpler version of civ. I was wondering will there be a save option during your campaign. Everyone seems to be talking about it taking an hour or two but I hope they implement a save option. Also when will their official website be up and I feel there is a lack of info on the part of Fraxis for this game, if it wasn't for Danq we would have virtualy no info at all. :cry:

DanQ
Dec 31, 2007, 10:10 AM
i dont know, besides the fact that i dont have a new console, it seems like CivRev will be like a watered down version of IV and i have a pre conceived notion that i will not like it.
I can understand that preconceived notion, but from what I have seen -- including first-hand -- CivRev is not a watered down version of any Civ title.

If you haven't already, I invite you to read my ongoing multi-part preview (http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?postid=5120755#post5120755) which includes a number of details that had/have not been publicly disclosed before. Hopefully it will convince you that you just might like it. :)

I myself would like a quicker and simpler version of civ. I was wondering will there be a save option during your campaign. Everyone seems to be talking about it taking an hour or two but I hope they implement a save option.
There is a save game option. :yup:

Ondskan
Dec 31, 2007, 06:03 PM
Nah Ain't gonna play it, ain't even gonna download it.
As I said in some other place, I like my Grandstrategy games and especially those turnbased to have simple but goodlooking graphics, many options and those easy to customize and many different paths to take.

I do not want action, cool graphics, effects, easy to govern cities and this sort of stuff.

bonafide11
Dec 31, 2007, 08:25 PM
This "different audience" talk is ridiculous. I don't get why people insist that PC players and console players are different audiences. I play games on my PC and I play games on consoles. I've played Civ since Civ II and I've played Civ IV as much as anyone, but I am very much looking forward to Civ Revolution because it likely cuts down on the tediousness of PC versions of Civ. Civ Rev will incorporate much of the strategy that has made made Civ such a popular series. There really wouldn't be anything else in Civ if they took out the strategy. But it will make the game quicker so its something you can play in one sitting and online games will actually be made worth playing. In my opinion, Civ online on the PC sucks, but I can't wait to play Civ Rev on Xbox Live!

Ondskan
Jan 01, 2008, 02:54 PM
Making a Grand Strategy game for Consoles is a DIFFERENT AUDIENCE.

Making Halo for Xbox while making UT2004 for PC is not a different audience.


Get it?
This game ain't gonna be anywhere near the previous titles.
Sure *you* may still like it but I'm not going to buy nor download it because in my opinion there's far better "cool" multiplayer strategy games out there than this one. And as it's going to be worse than the previous titles when it becomes to grand strategy, empire building, nation wars, then I'm not going to buy it as a grandstrategy game neither.

DanQ
Jan 02, 2008, 09:24 AM
To me the "different audience" question is a gray area. Yes, CivRev is targeted to a different audience -- gaming on the console as compared to the PC is different just as how their users generally approach the experience. At the same time I believe this game has overlap where primarily or even exclusively PC gamers can enjoy it, perhaps even more so than their console counterparts can with say CivIV.

If you own a console that CivRev is to be released on, have an interest in the Civ series but are still not convinced that you'll like it enough to buy, rent a copy. If you don't own a console, that could be a bit more of an obstacle -- I'm not aware in my 'neck of the woods' of anywhere to resent a whole system -- but hopefully you'll have a family member or friend who does and they'd be willing to let you try CivRev on theirs. This could be a rental copy too.

If preconceived notions prevent someone from trying CivRev at some point, that could be their loss. Ultimately though it's a gamer's individual decision to decide where they fall in this gray area or not and how far they want or are willing to go to determine that.

JavalTigar
Jan 03, 2008, 11:09 PM
I think the ablity to have portable civ is going to rock!

I'm getting the DS in the next couple weeks just for that reason ( I also want to play FF3 and the new zelda)

From the previews I have seen, it is not a port of civ4. it is a rehash of civ 2-4, steamlined to play fast. no workers to worry about, building a road is a drag n' click for a price, units build fast and move fast. I think it will be a nice change and I am sure that firaxis will be listening to all the feedback and make civ5 incorperate some of the better ideas.

DanQ already hinted in the one of his previews that we shouldn't worry, this is NOT Civ5 and we will not be disapointed later.

Sid has not steered me wrong yet, no need to prejudge him now.

Siaphi94
Jan 04, 2008, 04:50 PM
why can't the ds one still be complex without taking too much space? like a port of civ 2 or something? there's a huge difference between the space needed for a civ 3 compared to civ 2. then hard core players could enjoy it.

DanQ
Jan 04, 2008, 06:11 PM
why can't the ds one still be complex without taking too much space? like a port of civ 2 or something? there's a huge difference between the space needed for a civ 3 compared to civ 2. then hard core players could enjoy it.
CivRev is not to be a port of any previous Civ game, the second or otherwise, on the DS or any other console platform. That was done before on some earlier console platforms and generated lukewarm results and response at best. Moreover, CivRev is indeed targeting a different audience than its PC brethren.

That doesn't mean some of its PC followers like us won't fall into an 'overlap', but this is "not CivV" for instance in effect or title. There are some elements of CivRev that I would welcome in a CivV as I'm certain others would too -- though not necessarily the same ones -- but those considerations are farther down the road still.

Padma
Jan 05, 2008, 04:00 PM
As was pointed our by both Dan and myself, CivRev is explicitly NOT Civ5. Civ5 will come out sometime down the road, for us PC-ers. It will probably incorporate some aspects of CivRev that will also work well on the PC, and will be welcomed by at least some of the PC players.

EdPrem
Jan 14, 2008, 11:54 AM
Can't judge it until we see it. And I don't think it'll be a problem if it is less complicated than Civ III or Civ IV. After all, isn't Civ a broad church? There's nothing wrong with having a hard core version like Civ IV for the serious player, and a lighter version for those new to the game. After all, we don't disrespect someone now just because they like an older version or because they never play at deity.

I for one am going to welcome all the CivRev players as comrades when the game arrives.

Wow, now this is what I call a true fan. Well said and I agree, nothing wrong with growing the hobby and then getting them into the more hardcore version. We all started riding a bike with training wheels, right???