What Civs are in? [Archive] - Civilization Fanatics' Forums

dutchking

Sep 24, 2007, 06:53 PM

How about the Celts, is a Celtic nation in this game? Because it wouldn't be fair to have just England. My suggestion on possible Celtic nations, Gaul (Wasn't really united. Leader can be Vercingetorix), Ireland/Eriu (Leader can be Brian Boru), and Scotland/Alba (Leader can be William Wallace, although he was not actually a King, he was a great Scottish general).
HIGHLY doubt anything of the sort. There's only room for 16 civs and we don't know if they even have more than 1 leader. They won't take multiple civs from one area {as in regions, not continents}, no matter what IMO. Like they won't have the aztecs and the mayans, they'll choose between one or the other {I saw a SS of monty...}. Same applies to the celts and Western Europe. The only European civs that are probably going to be in are:
England
France
Germany
Spain
Rome
Greece
Russia
and maybe (after all the other asian civs, etc.)
Scandinavia, but I doubt it, it's kind of an "expansion civ". ;)

Kol.7

Sep 25, 2007, 10:13 AM

lol these are the civs i want to be in,

England
France
Spain
Aztecs
Japan
China
Egypt
Babylon or summeria
Russia
Ethiopia
Rome
Greece
India
Mayans
Germany
Scandinavia

Churchill 25

Sep 25, 2007, 07:40 PM

dutchking

Sep 25, 2007, 08:06 PM

I know France is one of the civs because i saw a screenshot of Napoleon. So thats probubly their leader unless they have multiple leaders. I wonder who the english leader is going to be. I hope its churchill but i dont think so because it looks like an ancient or classical game.

My guess is either Elizabeth or Victoria...for a more balanced game.
If there are in fact muliple leaders for each civ (which I doubt) I would count on Churchill being in. :goodjob: It would be nice if they had multiple leaders, since there are only a few civs. :sad:

lord_joakim

Sep 26, 2007, 04:14 AM

My guess is either Elizabeth or Victoria...for a more balanced game.
If there are in fact muliple leaders for each civ (which I doubt) I would count on Churchill being in. :goodjob: It would be nice if they had multiple leaders, since there are only a few civs. :sad:

Maybe it's a choice between Male and Female leaders like in the good ol' games.

Swein Forkbeard

Sep 29, 2007, 10:06 PM

I thought they would harken back to the Civs in Civ1, then include 2 civs that weren't in that game (which already turn out to be Japan and Spain).

e350tb

Sep 30, 2007, 03:43 AM

My List:

Great Britain (ie. Not Just England)
Aztec
Inca
France
Germany
Rome
Egypt
Macedonia
China
Japan
Russia
Confederates (For a change)
Australia (either Aboriginal or Colonial)
Holland
Zulus
Arabia

CHALLENGE: Can anyone suggest leaderheads more my idea?

Swein Forkbeard

Sep 30, 2007, 08:36 AM

The Mongols and Zulu should be in because they're cool.

Babylon could be in, with Hammurabi's leaderhead the exact same as in BtS. But knowing how Firaxis has been acting recently, Persia will probably make it in over them.

Will9

Sep 30, 2007, 02:34 PM

15 confirmed civs so far:

Rome
Egypt
Spain
Greece
France
India
Japan
Arabia
China
Germany
Mongols
Russia
Aztecs
Africa
Phoenicia

My guess is the England will be the last confirmed.

cybrxkhan

Sep 30, 2007, 04:11 PM

^Hmm...

whered you get this info?

and...

Africa - wtf? thats even worse than the Native American civ... theres gonna be a lota complaining on this one, im predicting.

Phoenicia - really? not that its a bad choice, its just unexpected.

dutchking

Sep 30, 2007, 04:46 PM

15 confirmed civs so far:

Rome
Egypt
Spain
Greece
France
India
Japan
Arabia
China
Germany
Mongols
Russia
Aztecs
Africa
Phoenicia

My guess is the England will be the last confirmed.
:confused:

Swein Forkbeard

Sep 30, 2007, 05:43 PM

WTF? How could Phoenicia be in; how many kids would know a single Phoenician leader? There's even been rumors about Venice.:confused:

As for the "African" Empire, I think that's because all the African civs in Civ4 (minus Egypt, of course) have extremely obscure city names on their lists (especially the Zulu). We don't really want that for a game like this do we? I, however, still agree with the master of pho.

BTW, I'm 12 and I've heard of more Khmer kings than Phoenician or Venetian ones. I didn't know who Zara Yaqob was before BtS, though.

Will9

Sep 30, 2007, 05:50 PM

^Hmm...

whered you get this info?

The E3 demo, Previews, Screenies, and PolyCast 26

and...

Africa - wtf? thats even worse than the Native American civ... theres gonna be a lota complaining on this one, im predicting.

Barry Caudill confirmed this in PolyCast 26 and I do agree that it is a bad pick.

Phoenicia - really? not that its a bad choice, its just unexpected.

It may not be for sure. An IGN preview made a mention to the Phoenicians sending a gift. And, an interview with Tim McCracken mentioned the Venetians sending the same gift (Phoenicians was probably wroungly written as Venetians). I am quite happy about this. Phoenicia would have been in Warlords if it was my pick.

lord_joakim

Oct 01, 2007, 08:53 AM

African UU:
Grouped Multiethnical Cultural Diversed Spearman In One Lame Unit - Replaces Eurocentric Spearman
4 :strength: 2 :move:

+10% City Attack to represent African Barbarism

ehm...

dojoboy

Oct 01, 2007, 09:40 AM

dh_epic

Oct 01, 2007, 03:39 PM

15 confirmed civs so far:

Rome
Egypt
Spain
Greece
France
India
Japan
Arabia
China
Germany
Mongols
Russia
Aztecs
Africa
Phoenicia

My guess is the England will be the last confirmed.

Yeah, I could have sworn I heard a reviewer or Sid himself mention it in an interview, too. Africa it is :(

African UU:
Grouped Multiethnical Cultural Diversed Spearman In One Lame Unit - Replaces Eurocentric Spearman
4 :strength: 2 :move:

+10% City Attack to represent African Barbarism

ehm...

Honestly, they might as well. At this point, they obviously don't give a ****, so they might as well stop pretending that they're trying. :P

Swein Forkbeard

Oct 18, 2007, 06:01 AM

I just had to revive this thread but new information on CivRevolution came at Gamespot.

African Empire
Leader: Shaka Zulu (:crazyeye:)
Unique Unit: Impi?

American Empire
Leader: Abraham Lincoln (:D)
Unique Unit: Navy SEAL?

Arabian Empire
Leader: Saladin (:king:)
Unique Unit: Camel Archer?

Aztec Empire
Leader: Montezuma II (:mad:)
Unique Unit: Jaguar Warrior?

Chinese Empire
Leader: Mao Tse-Tung?
Unique Unit: Cho-Ko-Nu?

Egyptian Empire
Leader: Cleopatra VII (:confused:)
Unique Unit: War Chariot?

English Empire
Leader: Elizabeth I (;))
Unique Unit: Redcoat?

French Empire
Leader: Napoleon I (:scan:)
Unique Unit: Musketeer?

German Empire
Leader: Otto von Bismarck (:))
Unique Unit: Panzer?

Greek Empire
Leader: Alexander III (:p)
Unique Unit: Hoplite?

Indian Empire
Leader: Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi (:lol:)
Unique Unit: Fast Worker?

Japanese Empire
Leader: Tokugawa Ieyasu?
Unique Unit: Samurai?

Mongolian Empire
Leader: Genghis Khan (:eek:)
Unique Unit: Keshik

Phoenician Empire
Leader: Hector (:mischief:)
Unique Unit: Tyrian Guard?

Roman Empire
Leader: Gaius Julius Caesar (:cool:)
Unique Unit: Praetorian?

Russian Empire
Leader: Catherine II (:rolleyes:)
Unique Unit: Cossack (:nuke:)

Spanish Empire
Leader: Isabella I (:blush:)
Unique Unit: Conquistador?

Civfan333

Oct 19, 2007, 12:09 AM

I'm guessing they put Africa:confused: instead of the Zulu to simplify it. As I've said before, they're making this game for new people to like and I'm guessing that most new people like simpler versions. Idk though, the first Civ I played was Civ 3 which most people think is more complex than Civ IV, so idk:confused: ;)

lord_joakim

Oct 19, 2007, 03:57 AM

Benito Juarez

Oct 19, 2007, 07:14 AM

when you look at history is funny tosee that US is the world super power now. (Native Americans vrs. Aztecs or Even Romans).

Will9

Oct 19, 2007, 09:22 AM

I think they're going to name the Praetorian 'Legion' or 'Legionary', and that the Samurai UU for Japan is obvious, as well as the Jaguar Warrior. (And to a lesser excent: Conquistadors, Hoplites, Panzers and Musketeers. They are also very obvious).

There is a unit called the Legion already in, but it is there are screenies that show it is neither a Roman UU nor a the unit that the Roman UU replaces.

lord_joakim

Oct 19, 2007, 09:49 AM

^^like the 'not-English' longbowman in Civ4? dang...

dh_epic

Oct 19, 2007, 10:02 AM

African Empire
Leader: Shaka Zulu (:crazyeye:)
Unique Unit: Impi?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooo!

http://www.civfanatics.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=1375&c=26

This sucks.

cybrxkhan

Oct 19, 2007, 11:08 AM

at least its not as bad as the...

Non-Western Civilization

Leaders: Genghis Khan, Saladin, Cleopatra

Unique Unit: Unwesternized/Uncivilized Native

Zenon_pt

Oct 19, 2007, 12:36 PM

Zenon_pt

Oct 19, 2007, 12:39 PM

15 confirmed civs so far:

Phoenicia

Where did you see this one???

Civfan333

Oct 19, 2007, 01:32 PM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooo!

http://www.civfanatics.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=1375&c=26

This sucks.
Yeah it does. Deep down, i was hoping that they would keep it Zulu. Or even Ethiopian. Not African!:cry: :cry: :cry: :mad: :mad: [pissed] [pissed] [pissed]

Civfan333

Oct 19, 2007, 01:34 PM

whoops. Sorry for the double post:( . I'm guessing they're gonna put in Babylon, Persia, Or Russia. Probably Russia since they're the most well-known of the three

cybrxkhan

Oct 19, 2007, 01:37 PM

its definitely Russia. theres a Stalin in the game trailer on the website, so it has to be russia.

lord_joakim

Oct 19, 2007, 01:37 PM

must be russia.

EDIT: crosspost

Civfan333

Oct 19, 2007, 01:40 PM

Yeah. I just saw the trailer. It has to be Stalin for two reasons.
1. He's in the trailer
2. He's the most well-known of the three that were in Civ Iv because he's the most recent to rule

civplayah

Oct 19, 2007, 01:48 PM

Shaka leads Africa insted of Zululand, althogh I don't see that logic.

Scaramanga

Oct 19, 2007, 01:52 PM

Phoenicia sounds considerably better than Carthage I must say... at least then they can have a definite ruler who was not known more his military endeavours then ruling a nation (Hannibal).

Civfan333

Oct 19, 2007, 01:53 PM

Shaka leads Africa insted of Zululand, althogh I don't see that logic.

Me neither. He never lead all of Africa, and he probably never traveled above the congo jungle. They should change it to Zulu:mad: :lol: :lol: :cry:

cybrxkhan

Oct 19, 2007, 01:57 PM

if they were to change to a real African civ, the likelihood I see of as near impossible, there are really only three decent choices in my opinion:

- Zululand - because its a Civ tradition
- Mali/Songhai - because they were real nations and economic powers
- Ethiopia - because its an ancient civilization that has interacted with Europe (Western bias, hint hint) quite often, and is well known otherwise for its assosiation with Monotheistic Religions

Other not-so-great possibilites would be Nubia, or Congo.

But otherwise, they didn't change Native Americans to Sioux in BtS, so I don't think they'll bother to change this.

Civfan333

Oct 19, 2007, 01:59 PM

if they were to change to a real African civ, the likelihood I see of as near impossible, there are really only three decent choices in my opinion:
- Zululand - because its a Civ tradition
- Mali/Songhai - because they were real nations and economic powers
- Ethiopia - because its an ancient civilization that has interacted with Europe (Western bias, hint hint) quite often, and is well known otherwise for its assosiation with Monotheistic Religions
Other not-so-great possibilites would be Nubia, or Congo.

I think Zulu's (Because they rule);) ;) ;) Or Ethiopia. I think they should try Nubia. The only problem is, a lot of people I talk to have never even heard of them.:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Will9

Oct 19, 2007, 02:15 PM

Where did you see this one???

Here (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/814/814912p1.html)

It mentions Prince Hector of the Phoenicians. There is also an interview that mentions Prince Hector of the Venetians, but at Poly ot was decided that it is probably a mistranscription. The only queston is, who is Prince Hector? Do a search and the only result you'll get is Prince Hector of Troy. I would have expected Hiram of Tyre for the Phoenicians.

cybrxkhan

Oct 19, 2007, 02:19 PM

according to Wikipedia, the only possibility I would see is Hector barbarossa from Pirates of the Carribean.

:joke:

Will9

Oct 19, 2007, 02:27 PM

Yeah. I just saw the trailer. It has to be Stalin for two reasons.
1. He's in the trailer
2. He's the most well-known of the three that were in Civ Iv because he's the most recent to rule

It actually has to Catherine because she's already been confirmed by Barry Caudill in PolyCast.

Civfan333

Oct 19, 2007, 02:27 PM

I've never even heard of Hector. I think they should make it Hiram to.

lord_joakim

Oct 19, 2007, 02:29 PM

Wouldn't Dido do for Phoenicans?

dutchking

Oct 19, 2007, 02:37 PM

Damn! There are a lot of Screen shots released today! (explore the possiblities :mischief: )

cybrxkhan

Oct 19, 2007, 02:46 PM

It actually has to Catherine because she's already been confirmed by Barry Caudill in PolyCast.

if so... i wonder if she has her awesome Civ3 style or her not-so-awesome Civ4 style... (oh, wait, other way around)

Will9

Oct 19, 2007, 03:26 PM

if so... i wonder if she has her awesome Civ3 style or her not-so-awesome Civ4 style... (oh, wait, other way around)

Barry described her as "cute"

cybrxkhan

Oct 19, 2007, 03:28 PM

oho, now we have a little girl to fight with. that'd be 1000 times better when you get whooped by...

or, does it mean "cute" as in "grandma" kind of cute?

TheLastOne36

Oct 19, 2007, 04:36 PM

Africa civilization? Did firaxis go nuts or something? Might as well put in Europe...

Civfan333

Oct 19, 2007, 05:38 PM

Africa civilization? Did firaxis go nuts or something? Might as well put in Europe...

I agree. Who in their right mind would put Africa instead of the Zulu:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: I hope they don't screw it up. Damn thats a lot of new screenshots they put up. Some of them look ok too.:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Swein Forkbeard

Oct 20, 2007, 09:27 AM

Civ's:
1. Rome - Caesar;
2. Mongolia - Genghis Khan;
3. US - Lincoln;
4. Egypt - Cleo???;
5. India - Gandhi;
6. Aztecs - Montezuma;
7. Africans - Shaka Zulu (that's new!!!);
8. Spain - Isabel!!!;
9. Germany - Bismark?;
10. Greece - Alexander!!!;
11. Arabs - Saladin???;
12. France - Napoleon!!!;
...
Well that remains 4 civ's, and still I didn't see:
13. England - Elizabeth? ;
14. Japan;
15. China;
...
16. (and this one will be triky...) Babylon, Persia, Portugal, Scandinavia?
RUSSIA!!! I forgot Russia!!!
...
Wonders:
Colossus;
Oracle;
Hanging Gardens;

Rome: Duh, we know that they're in! But what "Caesar" do they mean?
Mongolia: Genghis Khan really shouldn't look that tall, as he was less than 5 feet tall. But he at least looks much more fierce in CivRev.:eek:
America: Why Lincoln over Washington?
Egypt: Why Cleopatra instead of Ramses II (the Egyptian leader in Civ1)?
India: GANDHI WASN'T AN ACTUAL INDIAN LEADER!!!
Aztecs: I hope they mean Montezuma I.
Africa: I'm guessing it's the "African" Empire because most people in the new audience Firaxis is aiming for have seldom heard of the Carthaginians, Malinese, Ethiopians, or Zulu, and also believe that Africa is pretty much the same no matter what part of the continent.
Spain: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Germany: There was a screenshot of Bismarck at IGN.
Greece: Why Alexander instead of Pericles or Leonidas?
Arabia: Man, kids are going to look forward SOOOOOOO much to squashing these guys.:sad:
France: Everybody knows Napoleon, it seems. What about Joan of Arc?
England: This civ was confirmed at the recent preview at Gamespot.
Japan: Confirmed by one the first interviews. Apparently, their cities do best on the coast.
China: Haven't seen anything about them.
Russia: They were confired by the same interview at IGN that Japan was confirmed in. And their leader is Catherine, not Stalin.

lord_joakim

Oct 20, 2007, 10:58 AM

Rome: Duh, we know that they're in! But what "Caesar" do they mean?
probably Julius
America: Why Lincoln over Washington?
Because he was in most versions fx
Egypt: Why Cleopatra instead of Ramses II (the Egyptian leader in Civ1)?
more popular
India: GANDHI WASN'T AN ACTUAL INDIAN LEADER!!!
Well, but that doesn't make him a good person to include, does he? I mean, IMHO he was the greates person in the 20th century (Maybe not in front of Dalai Lama, but still)
Aztecs: I hope they mean Montezuma I.
They don't. II is more popular and well-known.
Africa: I'm guessing it's the "African" Empire because most people in the new audience Firaxis is aiming for have seldom heard of the Carthaginians, Malinese, Ethiopians, or Zulu, and also believe that Africa is pretty much the same no matter what part of the continent.
They mean black Africa. I guess they've begun to do such things (With Native American fx)
Spain: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why?
Greece: Why Alexander instead of Pericles or Leonidas?
Popularity, and he WAS one of the greatest conquerors of history. Still, Alex must be better than Leonidas, must he not?

frqing 10chars

Civfan333

Oct 20, 2007, 11:50 AM

Rome: Duh, we know that they're in! But what "Caesar" do they mean
Egypt: Why Cleopatra instead of Ramses II (the Egyptian leader in Civ1)?
India: GANDHI WASN'T AN ACTUAL INDIAN LEADER!!!
Aztecs: I hope they mean Montezuma I.
Africa: I'm guessing it's the "African" Empire because most people in the new audience Firaxis is aiming for have seldom heard of the Carthaginians, Malinese, Ethiopians, or Zulu, and also believe that Africa is pretty much the same no matter what part of the continent.
Spain: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Greece: Why Alexander instead of Pericles or Leonidas?
And their leader is Catherine, not Stalin.
Rome:They have to mean Julius or Augustus since they're going for the most popular.
Egypt: Cleopatra was more famous
Indians: I agree. They should use Asoka or something.
Aztecs:They probably mean the II since he was more famous.
Africa:They should change it to Zulu since they're using Shaka.
Spain: Why??
Greece: Alexander is one of the most successful conquerors in history and the most famous of the Greeks. I'm fine with him.
Russia: Catherine:confused: :confused: :confused: But Stalin's in the trailer.

Luso

Oct 20, 2007, 12:31 PM

Portugal only appear when they have interest to put it,they live with a lot of interests.
They dont have capacity to have Portugal in the first game,without in a pack expansion.
If they dont recognize Portugal as a potencial nation,the pionner of Globalization,why they continue start with spain instead of Brasil??
This kind of selection is getting bored because it always the same.
In every Civ game the same got better with Portugal and Netherland added after,then why it not start with both now??
And I will not play it,or buy it.

This also happen out there in the real world,we are always forgotten or ignored,thats why I have this signature,which is truly true.

Will9

Oct 20, 2007, 07:27 PM

Rome: Duh, we know that they're in! But what "Caesar" do they mean?
Mongolia: Genghis Khan really shouldn't look that tall, as he was less than 5 feet tall. But he at least looks much more fierce in CivRev.:eek:
America: Why Lincoln over Washington?
Egypt: Why Cleopatra instead of Ramses II (the Egyptian leader in Civ1)?
India: GANDHI WASN'T AN ACTUAL INDIAN LEADER!!!
Aztecs: I hope they mean Montezuma I.
Africa: I'm guessing it's the "African" Empire because most people in the new audience Firaxis is aiming for have seldom heard of the Carthaginians, Malinese, Ethiopians, or Zulu, and also believe that Africa is pretty much the same no matter what part of the continent.
Spain: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Germany: There was a screenshot of Bismarck at IGN.
Greece: Why Alexander instead of Pericles or Leonidas?
Arabia: Man, kids are going to look forward SOOOOOOO much to squashing these guys.:sad:
France: Everybody knows Napoleon, it seems. What about Joan of Arc?
England: This civ was confirmed at the recent preview at Gamespot.
Japan: Confirmed by one the first interviews. Apparently, their cities do best on the coast.
China: Haven't seen anything about them.
Russia: They were confired by the same interview at IGN that Japan was confirmed in. And their leader is Catherine, not Stalin.

Rome: Julius
America: America isn't in
Egypt: Cleaopatra isn't as well know
Gandhi: There are very few Indian leaders who actually could be considered to have ruled Indian and even fewer who are well known.
Africa: Yes. Personally, if they are using Shaka and the Impi (both confirmed) they should just rename them the Zulus. I would have prefered the Ethiopians since they are both more important than the Zulu and more well known. Carthage is more well known, but would be leaving out the greater portion of Africa.
Spain: No Spainish leader (and Isabela is actually Castilian and never ruled Spain) is very well known so I think they should have gone with Charles V.
Greece: Alexander conquered the largest Empire in the world in ~15 years and is probably the second most known Greek leader (Leonidas being first because of 300)
China: there is a screenie with Mao in the corner

@Civfan333: Catherine was confirmed in PolyCast27 by Dorian Newcomb (my mistake when I said Barry). Read my posts above.

dutchking

Oct 20, 2007, 07:36 PM

"Hector of the Phoencians" is in. this is a SS from the movie.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/115341/Picture_1.png
!
Read the text! There's a throne room in Revolutions! :D

cybrxkhan

Oct 20, 2007, 08:17 PM

"Hector of the Phoenicians."

When was there a "Hector", known to general mainstream consumers, that actually ruled over or was in someway heavily politically associated with Phoenicia?

Unless this is another name for Hiram?

Oh well. Phoenicians were an interesting chioce for a civ. THuogh I don't know why they take prevelence over Persia.

Will9

Oct 20, 2007, 11:09 PM

I think I may have found a screenie of Hector http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/947/947005/img_4817468.html (in the upper right corner).

It is either Hector or Alexander and if that one is Alexander, this one (http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/947/947005/img_4700674.html) must be Hector.

@Dutchking: the throne room was confirmed ages ago, where have you been?

Civfan333

Oct 20, 2007, 11:20 PM

"Hector of the Phoencians" is in. this is a SS from the movie.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/115341/Picture_1.png
!
Read the text! There's a throne room in Revolutions! :D
Whoa!:eek: :eek: :dubious: there's a throne room! I wonder what you do in it. See the gifts others Civs give you????:D :lol:

Will9 wrote: @Dutchking: the throne room was confirmed ages ago, where have you been?
When was it comfirmed:confused: :confused: I don't think I ever saw this. Where'd you read it?:confused:

Will9

Oct 20, 2007, 11:26 PM

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/814/814912p1.html

Civfan333

Oct 21, 2007, 03:02 AM

Oh. I never saw that. Thanks for the info:D :D :D

Zenon_pt

Oct 21, 2007, 04:12 AM

@Swein Forkbeard
Rome: Julius!
...
Egypt: Cleo??? Because there is a queen egyption on the previous-frames releases! And Ramses II will be problably a Great General or something like this!
India: Gandhi!!! He was Indian, yes! You are :confused: with Hindu!!! In India there is n relegions, and n languages!
...
Spain: "NO!!!!" Well I agree, but you can't forget there is a Spanish cluster-market, so Spain is there! (And I agree with Luso!!!)
...
Greece: YES ALEXANDER!!! He is the most famous Leader to Greece! And maybe to the world!
Arabia: well the same reason of Spain!

-/-/-

If there will be 16 civ's!
And Phoenicians are in! Where are the English/British???
In my conts it's alredy beyond the limits!!!

Zenon_pt

Oct 21, 2007, 04:14 AM

BTW: if there will be 3 barbarian leader, who is the 3rd leader???
Atila? Maybe! I don't know!

Will9

Oct 21, 2007, 11:28 AM

BTW: if there will be 3 barbarian leader, who is the 3rd leader???
Atila? Maybe! I don't know!

It will be the Temperate climate barbarian leader, so probably someone Hunic/Gothic/Germanic/Celtic (put simply, the enemies barbarians that were enemies of Rome) like.

cybrxkhan

Oct 21, 2007, 11:31 AM

^well, they already have a "European" barb... maybe someone more middle eastern? probably not,then again... definitely not someone African, now they have the "African" civ... perhaps some Asian nomads? i was thinking Native Americans could be a possibility too, but... man, this thing gets weirder and weirder.

Swein Forkbeard

Oct 22, 2007, 05:59 AM

How many console gamers have even heard of the Carthaginians, Malinese, Ethiopians, or Zulu? That's why it's "Africa".

Zenon_pt

Oct 22, 2007, 12:35 PM

Here (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/814/814912p1.html)

It mentions Prince Hector of the Phoenicians. There is also an interview that mentions Prince Hector of the Venetians, but at Poly ot was decided that it is probably a mistranscription. The only queston is, who is Prince Hector? Do a search and the only result you'll get is Prince Hector of Troy. I would have expected Hiram of Tyre for the Phoenicians.

I still can't see here!!!
I'd click it! and they are the same shots as in Civfanatics!!!
So here you see it???

cybrxkhan

Oct 22, 2007, 12:43 PM

How many console gamers have even heard of the Carthaginians, Malinese, Ethiopians, or Zulu? That's why it's "Africa".

how many gamers have heard of the Celts (except the sports team people or whatever), the Phoenicians, the Mayans, the Portugese, the Sumerians, or the HRE?

Zenon_pt

Oct 22, 2007, 12:48 PM

how many gamers have heard of the Celts (except the sports team people or whatever), the Phoenicians, the Mayans, the Portugese, the Sumerians, or the HRE?

Celts??? what Celts??? that city name of londiu... something I always seen it as a Roman city!!!

Swein Forkbeard

Oct 22, 2007, 04:09 PM

"Hector of the Phoencians" is in. this is a SS from the movie.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/115341/Picture_1.png
!
Read the text! There's a throne room in Revolutions! :D

But, unlike Cleopatra does later in that movie clip from E for All, Hector doesn't just come appear on the screen bringing diplomatic options, so the Phoenicians are most likely not a playable "civ."

And if they are in, then...

Africans
Americans
Arabs
Aztecs
Chinese
Egyptians
English
French
Germans
Greeks
Indians
Japanese
Mongolians
Phoenicians
Romans
Russians
Spanish

Ummm... that IS 17 civs (I kept counting on my fingers and getting 16!). But the Phoenicians aren't going to be playable! Well done, Firaxis, we have our lucky 16!

Swein Forkbeard

Oct 22, 2007, 04:10 PM

how many gamers have heard of the Celts (except the sports team people or whatever), the Phoenicians, the Mayans, the Portugese, the Sumerians, or the HRE?

Therefore, they are not in Civilization Revolution, Mr. PHO!

cybrxkhan

Oct 22, 2007, 04:30 PM

^hey, you remembered my title. :D

anyhow, Aztecs? Mongols? Phoenicians? (real, pre-commie) Chinese? (the real) Spanish? Not a lot of people can name much on those guys, im pretty sure.

cybrxkhan

Oct 22, 2007, 05:02 PM

but, to add, this kinda thing is "more acceptable" for a console game than a PC game, i have to admit.

dutchking

Oct 22, 2007, 05:43 PM

Besides that a lot of kids play console games, how is that kind of thing "more acceptable" on a console game? It's an insult to people's intelligence to say that they don't know as much about history...(look at my avatar, location, and title :p)

cybrxkhan

Oct 22, 2007, 07:28 PM

generally, from what i see, console games are generally more "action" oriented then... well, other stuff. it doesn't necessarily mean stupider, just means paying less attention to non-action things.\

so, thereforth, a historical annoyance here or there doesn't really matter in a console game as far as i can see - the action and graphics matter more.

dutchking

Oct 22, 2007, 07:35 PM

Yes, I guess I could understand that, but this is a game about history, therefore it is just as important for the facts to be correct as they are on the PC. <_<

Swein Forkbeard

Oct 22, 2007, 07:58 PM

^hey, you remembered my title. :D

anyhow, Aztecs? Mongols? Phoenicians? (real, pre-commie) Chinese? (the real) Spanish? Not a lot of people can name much on those guys, im pretty sure.

I told you already, Phoenicia isn't playable!

cybrxkhan

Oct 22, 2007, 08:36 PM

that means ONE middle eastern civ (excluding the Egyptians, if you count them as Mediteranean)... oh well, i know they aren't that insane to put in a terrorist UU.

Zenon_pt

Oct 23, 2007, 01:34 PM

So the 3rd barbarian tribe is...
Hector of the Phoenicians ???
If they will be not playeble, there are the 3rd tribe???

Will9

Oct 23, 2007, 03:56 PM

But, unlike Cleopatra does later in that movie clip from E for All, Hector doesn't just come appear on the screen bringing diplomatic options, so the Phoenicians are most likely not a playable "civ."

I have already shown a screenie that could only be Hector and it is at the upper right where the diplo contacts are. That means that they would probably be playable.

Swein Forkbeard

Oct 23, 2007, 04:28 PM

Will9, that looks more like Alexander! And the other guy you showed is probably Caesar!

I can't understnad why Julius Caesar would be in over Augustus Caesar, as Julius ruled Rome for 5 years, whereas Augustus ruled for 42 years (which places him as one of the longest ruling European monarchs).

As I said, Hector didn't appear, all that appeared was a message about him sending acrobats. Unless a message like "Cleopatra has sent some dancing bears" appears, we can safely assume that the Phoencians are not playable. (And they're not barbarians, either, Zenon!).

And while that only means 2 Middle Eastern Civs, the Arabs (in Civ4, at least) pretty much cover the entire Middle East (except for Turkey) plus North Africa and even Central Asia (and partially India; in Civ4 one of their cities is Anjar, which is in the state of Gujarat).

But they should have just put in all the civs from Civ1 and then included the Spanish, Arabs, Japanese, and Persians alongside them. Although that would mean more Civs than there were in Civ3...

By the way, can somebody tell me what leaders and civilization were in Civ2 (including exp packs)?

cybrxkhan

Oct 23, 2007, 04:59 PM

I can't understnad why Julius Caesar would be in over Augustus Caesar, as Julius ruled Rome for 5 years, whereas Augustus ruled for 42 years (which places him as one of the longest ruling European monarchs).

Julius was in all versions of the game before Augustus, and, he is more famous.

dutchking

Oct 23, 2007, 05:11 PM

And he also is Augustus' uncle, and he also basically created the Roman Empire. (not rome itself)

cybrxkhan

Oct 23, 2007, 05:47 PM

well, not "create" the empire, but certainly he is, or at least appears to many, a very important part of Roman history.

Will9

Oct 23, 2007, 07:47 PM

Julius was in all versions of the game before Augustus, and, he is more famous.

And Augustus goes by Augustus, not Ceaser.

Will9, that looks more like Alexander! And the other guy you showed is probably Caesar!

Alexander is ussually shown with dark hair and the concept art has someone wearing armor that looks nothing like something you'd see a Roman.

Zenon_pt

Oct 24, 2007, 01:05 PM

cybrxkhan

Oct 24, 2007, 01:27 PM

Or was two, one male, one female?

(bolded in quotes)

Zenon_pt

Oct 25, 2007, 11:28 AM

You right! There were 2 leader one Male and one Female!

Like our Prime Minister Socrates said to President Barroso: "Porreiro, pá!"

Swein Forkbeard

Oct 26, 2007, 05:47 PM

cybrxkhan

Oct 26, 2007, 07:50 PM

^yea, but even the stupidest kids i know know something about 'Nam. :D

dutchking

Oct 27, 2007, 11:11 AM

A game like this, by the way, would never include the Netherlands, as most kids don't know them. I'm in 7th grade, and most of my classmates don't know a thing about the Netherlands. Same with Portugal or Poland. Sorry, TheLastOne36 and Dutchking.:cry:
Yeah, I'm in 7th grade I know...:lol:
Everyone asks me if I'm German...[pissed]
Even though technically I am half...:crazyeye:
I'm American...;)

Swein Forkbeard

Oct 28, 2007, 08:37 AM

Hey Dutchking, do you compete in the National Geographic Bee?

dutchking

Oct 28, 2007, 08:45 AM

Nah...almost got into it last year but I got some dumb question wrong about some Lake in Persia... :shake: (it's the geography one no?)

Swein Forkbeard

Oct 28, 2007, 09:48 AM

I mad it to Nationals!:p
And I finished up a Warlords game as Mao a week before that (only my 2nd real victory, as I hardly have too much time to play, or maybe I'm on these forums too much). And the Saturday before that, I got mauled by, er, Catherine in a game as Bismarck. Then on Wednesday, I found a girl winning the entire Geo Bee competition!:eek: :egypt: :clap: :help: :hatsoff: :viking: :ninja:

Ragnar's theme flowed in my mind immediately afterwards.:viking: :king:

Dutchking, are you still going to compete?

dutchking

Oct 28, 2007, 10:23 AM

I don't know...In my school it's mandatory that you get tested, and you either make it or not, then you go on and on...I'm friends with the guy who went on to the State Championships. (I think it's the Nat. Geo one)

Zenon_pt

Oct 28, 2007, 12:11 PM

A game like this, by the way, would never include the Netherlands, as most kids don't know them. I'm in 7th grade, and most of my classmates don't know a thing about the Netherlands. Same with Portugal or Poland. Sorry, TheLastOne36 and Dutchking.:cry:

I deduse U R from US!???
Is like this for us, on the other size of the sea (Europa), the US shouldn't be there, but ei! :lol: :lol: :lol: For me, I'm happy with Portugal!!!:goodjob:

cybrxkhan

Oct 28, 2007, 04:10 PM

GEOGRAPHY BEE!!! i beat all the kids in my school in 5th and 6th grade, made it to the State both times, and almost made it into the state finals both times... but screwed in the end. :)

Swein Forkbeard

Oct 28, 2007, 06:31 PM

GEOGRAPHY BEE!!! i beat all the kids in my school in 5th and 6th grade, made it to the State both times, and almost made it into the state finals both times... but screwed in the end. :)

I got to state in 4th grade, to state finals in 5th grade, and to nationals in 6th grade. I'm in 7th grade this year.

My best friend in the nationals last year was Antonio de la Pena, the Colorado state geography champion. He told me that he had played Civ3 before. Then, during the picnic after the prelims (where I got eliminated :cry: :mad: ), we had a deep discussion about Civ3 and Civ4. And even after the competition was fully over (he, unlike me, got to the finals and won 5th place there) we STILL chatted on the phone about Civilization, and sometimes I called him IN THE MIDDLE OF A GAME. Although he was actually vacationing in Virginia and then he went back to Colorado after a while. Antonio was actually born near Munich, and so when I made that city in one game my Heroic Epic city, I told him all about it.

Anyways...

Swein Forkbeard

Oct 28, 2007, 08:03 PM

Oh, and I have considered getting two of these games for Christmas. Could somebody help me here?

SimCity Societies
Civilization Chronicles
Rise and Fall: Civilizations at War
Age of Empires III: The Asian Dynasties
Empire Earth III
World in Conflict
X-Com: UFO Defense
Galactic Civilizations II (If there is a complete edition by then)
Zoo Tycoon II (If there is a complete edition by then)

cybrxkhan

Oct 28, 2007, 08:34 PM

Civ helped me in the Geo Bee, i swear. maybe CivRevolution, despite the simplification and sometimes historical pop-culturism, can help some people learn something.

e350tb

Oct 28, 2007, 11:36 PM

Societies sounds interesting.

Civfan333

Oct 29, 2007, 01:35 AM

dutchking

Oct 29, 2007, 02:41 PM

Swein Forkbeard

Oct 29, 2007, 04:16 PM

Get Hearts of Iron II: Doomsday, it's a great game. (Like a mix of Civ and Risk) It takes place in WWII. look here (http://www.paradoxplaza.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=57&Itemid=145). Oh, and take the tutorials first! ;)
A few other great games are:
Europa Universalis III (on the same website as HOI)
Age of Empires III
Axis and Allies is decent
Imperial Glory (might just be a mac game, for ONCE! ;))
Rise of Nations
Age of Mythology
AND
Sim City 4
Those are most of my "musts". :p MOST.

I already have Age of Empires III, Rise of Nations, and Age of Mythology.

Here were my reasons.

SimCity Societies: Ahhhh, SimCity, basically Civilization without competition and victory. Won't really have to think much, especially with this simplified game.
Civilization Chronicles: I *really* want to try out one of Civ2's scenarios, which are supposedly "good". And people stick with the first two Civ games simply because Civ4 takes too long to play. But I do own both Civ4 and both of its exp packs.
Rise and Fall: Civilizations at War: Sounded interesting, but GameSpot's review really turned me away.
Age of Empires III: The Asian Dynasties: Same as last one.
Empire Earth III: Isn't out yet, but Sierra told us in a Gamespot interview that games would take only 20-40 minutes to play. Sounds like a 3D Rise of Nations with a Future Age.
World in Conflict: I think this one is a lock for me, as the resource-building element in RTS games looks too intimidating to me.
X-Com: UFO Defense: The best game ever made to some other website, but Gamespot still thinks Age of Mythology, Rise of Nations, and Age of Empires II are better.
Galactic Civilizations II: Building an empire in space? Oh YEAH!
Zoo Tycoon II: A zoo with DIMETRODON in it is something I can't do in the original Zoo Tycoon (which was REALLY addicting for me).
The Orange Box: Definetely good, but I'm too young to play it.:cry: And it's much less educational than Civ4 (although Portal might be a great game for me to try here).:sad: :nuke:
Master of Orion: Sullla really draws me in here.:king:

I'm 12, by the way, but I'll be 13 on January 13.:goodjob: :scan: :D

cybrxkhan

Oct 29, 2007, 04:34 PM

off topic... :)

dutchking

Oct 29, 2007, 04:44 PM

Yes for about a page now. :p *gets an infraction
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Back on topic please...;)

cybrxkhan

Oct 29, 2007, 07:39 PM

so we are assured there are generally the "normal" civs and a couple quirky WTF civs.

dutchking

Oct 29, 2007, 07:48 PM

Yes, the thread is now useless. Now we only have to wait for Revolutions to come out! :D

Civfan333

Feb 12, 2008, 09:42 PM

We now know what Tokugawa looks like!!!! But his daisho are on his right side.. Does that mean he's left-handed? I wonder......

Holy *beep* I just noticed in Swein's post.. If his b-day is Jan. 13, that makes him two days younger than me!

That means that everyone I've ever met that's born in Jan. (real and CFC) love Civ! My best friend who's born in Jan. loves it too! wow.....

dutchking

Feb 13, 2008, 06:07 AM

I think there's some big review with lots of screenshots..

Civfan333

Feb 13, 2008, 04:12 PM

yeah, the IGN preview, they still haven't said the release date though......

Cyrus the Great

Mar 03, 2008, 01:49 PM

persia must be in !!!!

and other middle east nations- babylon etc and summeria

Persia has to be in it it has been in civ 4 and 3

Swein Forkbeard

Mar 03, 2008, 05:08 PM

Shall I tell you what games I got for Christmas?

Well, I got a Wii a few weeks after all this posting, and though I didn't enjoy it much at first, I fell in love with it the minute we got Super Mario Galaxy. That was my younger brother's Christmas gift. My parents decided to buy our Christmas gifts with a gift card, but we still don't have it. In the mean while, I got StarCraft during our Winter Vacation, but my computer crashed a few days afterwards. My dad thinks it's because StarCraft is an old game, but I don't think so, but we returned it anyways and got EA's Strategy Collection. Which I didn't like at all.

I'll continue the post later...