Two thumbs way up. :goodjob:

And now we know exactly how the gameplay is like and all that, but, can you be any vaguer?

The thing i really want to know is, how much is it like CS:S? I dislike CS:S because it is soley run and gun and pray n spray. (Though it probably depends which server/mod you are playing).

I'll get it in the Orange Box along with Portal.

As above. Looking forward to playing it, particularly love the graphic style.

I am more looking forward to Left 4 Dead though. Zombies :D

Sorry, PrinceScamp, too busy playing it to give a review.

I can't compare it to CS:S as I do not play CS:S. It is very fast paced and chaotic, though.

For those with no Google-Fu, TF2 is a multi-player (only) team-based, role-based first person shooter with a cartoony graphic style.

Currently, there are no mods (or at least every server I've tried was playing the standard version). I'm sure this will change in the future.

The game has six maps. Five of them are control point maps and the last is a capture the flag map. There are no Deathmatch modes in the game at all.

The game has you play as one of nine classes, each of which has different weapons available and consequently different play-styles. Soldiers use rockets and shotguns, scouts are very fast, demolitions have grenades and bombs, engineers build stuff, medics heal, Heavies lumber into battle with a big-honking gun, spies impersonate team member on the other side to sabotage equipment or back stab players, snipers look for the head shot and, pyros test other players for being spies.

I love the non-realistic over the top art style.

Well, I'm going to see if the guys from work have gotten online.

Darn it, why does Valve have to make ALL of it's multiplayer games overly-fast paced?

Darn it, why does Valve have to make ALL of it's multiplayer games overly-fast paced?

Fast Paced is better than waiting ages for 2 people to camp in opposite corners of the map for 5 minutes.

If you buy the orange box on steam, you'd already be playing TF2. Its sweet.

Its very different than CS/CSS.

Fast Paced is better than waiting ages for 2 people to camp in opposite corners of the map for 5 minutes.

... That's not what I meant. It seems like all of Valve's multiplayer FPS games invovled running very fast, pumping a lot of bullets into someone to hurt them, and occaisional bunny hopping.

Sometimes that's fun, but I'm used to Red Orchestra. Where if you shoot someone in the hand they might drop their gun, in the head they die, leg they are slowed down for a bit. That's why I don't like CSS, and I don't play much HL2 multi (but the mods are pretty fun).

TF2 is an exception, it's cartoony for one, I can't see how it would work any other way, but I hope that you can't sit there and absorb bullets.

... That's not what I meant. It seems like all of Valve's multiplayer FPS games invovled running very fast,

In CS:S that is in no way a requirement.

pumping a lot of bullets into someone to hurt them,

Good players of CS:S won't go through a clip to kill other players.

and occaisional bunny hopping.

Considered to be an exploit on the most popular Game Server Provider in Australia, so I'm happy to also consider it an exploit (again CS:S)

In CS:S that is in no way a requirement.
Good players of CS:S won't go through a clip to kill other players.
Considered to be an exploit on the most popular Game Server Provider in Australia, so I'm happy to also consider it an exploit (again CS:S)

I meant the vanilla CSS, without mods. Also I play around with the weapons in Garys Mod sometimes.

Anyways, we're getting off topic.

WHen they have guest passes for TF2 and Portal, send me a PM!

I meant the vanilla CSS, without mods.

I've never noticed that playing vanilla CSS. Maybe yiou just werent playing on the right servers?

Firing an entire clip to kill someone doesn't mean that they're near-invincible, it means you're missing :p

Regardless, I don't go into games like CS and DoD expecting a slow-paced game - hell, sometimes I go in for five minutes because I know it'll be a quick blast. Likewise, I don't play a game of Age of Empires expecting to have a week-long game ala Total War.

Team Fortress 2 is full of win. Everything I can think of that was bad about TFC is gone.

... That's not what I meant. It seems like all of Valve's multiplayer FPS games invovled running very fast, pumping a lot of bullets into someone to hurt them, and occaisional bunny hopping.


Only the scout moves fast, the other classes are pretty slow. You can't even run. My favorite is the pyro, but it's not the most useful class. It's a nice break from playing medic though.

Check out this (http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=pC_aGQyFETU) brilliant movie. It depicts why the game is so much fun (but imagine some more people in the server ;) ).

It's AWESOME and VERY well balanced.

You guys really think it was that good? I dont know Ijust vant seem to get into it at all, theres no generic "rifleman" class and I hate that, The soldier class doesnt count either they have a rocket launcher and a shotgun, the onlt reall assualt rifle in the game is the secondary gun that the snip[er has. I just dont really dig on online shooters like this, I like the more traditional kind.

Tis indeed AWESOME! The graphical style is much fun and very refreshing. The FPS genre in particular seems to have sucked itself into an all-consuming quest for photo-realism and it's good to see a game buck the trend, especially one that does it with as much sheer glee as TF2. :D

Even though it's cartoony, I still find it beleivable.

Nice graphics, balanced gameplay weighted towards up-close gun battles, and I like how you get to massacre the losing team after winning a round.

It is rather fun - particularly for short blasts. Working my way through all the classes, and so far the standard soldier and pyro appeal to me for maximum carnage :D

I still play it and sometimes its fun but it just doesnt sweep me off my feet like say battlefield 1942 did when I first played it. I ussually p[lay as the medic or the heavy, I love it when you happen to come upon a crowd as a heavy, its absolute carnage.

I LOVE charging into crowds as a pyro, I've also been working on how to sue demonam's nades against him, when he blows them up and you are at full health, sometimes they can send you flying, and if you get on his side of them, it sensds you AT HIM!

Not enough screenshots in this thread.

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Super Bob looking good! :p

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee131/Raylakk/shenkzislookinggood.jpg
I'm pretty sure he blew himself up on me.

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Not sure what happened here but EpharGy appears to be shocked at what is on the ground.

I love Pyro! Especially to just run at a close group of enemies with thrower a flaming and set everyone on fire!

Pyro seems to be broken for me, it eems that all the flamethrowere ever does is light people on fire but never actually does any direct damage.

You have to be very close to use the flamethrower - it's almost a melee weapon. When you light people on fire they take damage until a-the fire goes out b-they get healed c-they die.

Just keep throwing fire on them it DOES do damage (otherwise it;d be hard to kill other pyros)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-qD30EOO-o

Very good video on how to play the Spy class.

I have played more as a Spy than any other class (second most played class is the Soldier). It is a difficult class to play well, it's almost as if your playing a completely different game to all the other classes. Very easy to mess up - even if you make no mistakes you may get spy-checked at the wrong moment - but very satisying when it works.

The Pyro is good for spy detetcting. I have killed a lot of spies that way.

Love spy finding as a pryo.

I've been playing this game almost non stop since I got it. And I still have to finish Episode 2, plus normal day to day stuff. I'm just glad Portal was short and sweet.

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2233/1194496493410jg5.jpg

Some engineers protect their buildings much like a parent protects its young. Being hit on the back of a head by a heavy wrench after a chase halfway across the map will teach you this.

Some engineers protect their buildings much like a parent protects its young. Being hit on the back of a head by a heavy wrench after a chase halfway across the map will teach you this.

And don't you DARE come near mah sentry again!

A few rules as an engineer;

1. Never leave your sentry/dispenser alone.

2. Shoot/hit EVERYONE who comes near you, multiple times is best (sometimes your shots get abosrbed by your children or just seem to miss).

3. Pyros are your best friend, as they are excellent spy catchers. Be nice to them.

4. Put the dispenser behind you and hide behind the sentry, that way it will continuosly resupply and heal you while not being too exposed to enemy fire.

5. Spam the medic button (or if you know the vocie commands or ask help via a mic if you have one) if you are compeltely occupied knocking sappers off your sentry/dispenser. It should draw attention of a nearby teammate (along with the blue sparks emitted by the sappers) who can help you with the spy.

That cartoon is great. :lol:

I wonder if we have a higher proportion engineers/medics on the civfanatics forum than in the general population, I'm guessing we Civ players would be more inclined to use those classes.

Personally I end up using medic more than I would like to because the team usually doesn't have enough of them. I almost always use it if there are no other medics on my team.

Everytime I play this game I cant help but think you know, its got great polsih balance and a lot of great ideas....but its just not actually fun

You sure you actually like FPS games Harbringer? :p Different strokes for different folks I guess but I've found the game immensly fun, one of the best FPS games around, though I haven't actually played it since COD4 came out (COD4 is also awesome).

Engineer took over from the Spy as my most played class. I always make it my do-or-die mission to set up a teleport to the enemy intelligence chamber on 2fort as an engi. I have played a little as a Medic but not much - while they are always useful to have around the 'fun per minute' quota is lower with them than other classes I find.

If we absolutely need a medic and nobody else is willing I do play medic, but usually I am Engineer, Pyro, Soldier or Demoman.

I play heavy exclusively pretty much, I have a 22 kill streak. I like FPSs but in every FPS ever Im always a bonehead twithy shooter guy and TF2 just doesnt have that and thas why its so hard to get into and enjoy.

http://www.garry.tv/?p=367

Funny pictures from people playing around in GMOD. Click on the pictures to enlarge.

EDIT: Some more; http://forums.facepunchstudios.com/showthread.php?t=452293

http://forums.facepunchstudios.com/showthread.php?t=445000

http://forums.facepunchstudios.com/showthread.php?t=449620

Xbox TF2 servers suck.

Xbox TF2 servers suck.

It would probably be fun to get a keyboard & mouse kit, play on Xbox servers and destroy everyone.

It would probably be fun to get a keyboard & mouse kit, play on Xbox servers and destroy everyone.

It would, if it didn't lag everytime someone uses the mic.

Ok......its getting better and better..theres just soe classes I suck at, but the measure of a good game is how fun it is even if your getting your ass handed to you.

The most fun comes from the spy. Stabbing several enemies in sequence, or sapping a sentry and backstabbing the engineer as he tries to remove the sapper brings great joy.

BTW, when you're an engineer, if the spy who sapped your sentry is next to you, kill him first before removing the sapper, you will usually have time to do both.

I like killing hidden or disguised spies as a Pyro. Its just so satisfying.

The classes I usually play are Pyro and scout.

Bwahahahahah buncha clan guys were gathering at our door on 2 fort, they were all just waiting there gathering to make a big push with almost there whole team. I starting spinning my gun and then walked off the top of the battlements and killed them all, ten guys in less then ten secondsBwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah! !!!!!111!!!

Been playing a lot fo spy, having fun with the "FYI I am a spy" spray, killed a few medics who were healing me too XD

Spies are a funny bunch, every once in a while on 2fort I play sniper, we always get these spies dressed as siper coming up there and shanking us so eventually one of our pyros just hung around up there flaming everyone who came up. Its just funny to see a sniper come through the door and then immediatly off the ledge on fire dashing for the water with a deranged pyro chasing him, they never get away.

BTW, do the flamethrowers work underwater?

BTW, do the flamethrowers work underwater?

Of course not. But you do have a shotgun and a fire axe.

One thing you have to realize if you want to play the Spy is that you cannot rely on your disguise to blend in with the other team. If you do you WILL be spy-checked and you WILL be killed. Instead you need to rely on your cloak and minimise your actual contact with enemy players*, moving in close only for opportune back stabs and sappings.

*except if you can latch yourself onto the back of a group of attacking enemies, in which case go for it and have your knife at the ready. ;)

Also, stay the heck away from Pyros. :D

One thing you have to realize if you want to play the Spy is that you cannot rely on your disguise to blend in with the other team. If you do you WILL be spy-checked and you WILL be killed. Instead you need to rely on your cloak and minimise your actual contact with enemy players*, moving in close only for opportune back stabs and sappings.

*except if you can latch yourself onto the back of a group of attacking enemies, in which case go for it and have your knife at the ready. ;)

Also, stay the heck away from Pyros. :D

Exactly, decloak holding the knife, stab away. Hydro is especially good for this as you can generally get to the enemy rear in one cloak run, I got over 80 points the last time I played Hydro :D (backstabs are worth 2 points, do the math).

The disguise only helps once you have already gotten to the enemy rear and are running along with them, and so that sentrys won't shoot you. Also, I discourage using the following disguises:

* Medic, because it doesn't show an ubercharge meter when you're disguised, so any competent player will realise you're a spy as soon as they mouse over you and see no ubercharge. Also, they expect you to be healing them, or someone else, if you're close enough to do so.
* Spy, as the enemy expects to see you wearing a plastic mask
* Heavy, too slow, hard to catch up to people and stab them in the back
* Soldier, as above
* Scout, too fast, they'll realise you're not a spy because you can't go as fast as a real scout.
* Sniper (generally), as there are only certain places where a sniper 'should be', and you don't generally see them running around a lot.

Which only leaves demoman, pyro, engineer, and I guess sniper in a few situations. For this reason I have a script which cycles through those disguises. DO NOT use that 'last disguise' button, unless you are sure no one saw you last time you were disguised.

Actually, soldier isn't a bad disguise, it's slow yes, but they don't expect you to be lay sticky bombs or spycheck too much.

Snipers are great for running around in the enemy base like on well or granary.

Pyro isn't bad, and I often use it if I decide that I should change my disguise but I try to use it when I'm near battle or not near people, as they expect you to spycheck them.

Heavy, yeah, generaly don't use it except a coupe of times on 2fort when I "guarded" their intel room. Although a smart player will expect you to have your barrel spinnig.

Been playing a lot fo spy, having fun with the "FYI I am a spy" spray, killed a few medics who were healing me too XD

That one is brilliant. Although I never play spy myself, I'm mean enough to use it anyway :lol:

I love playing as a Spy, my best score is 7 backstabs within a 30 second period. :D

Seriously, a good Spy can dominate the map.

I usually suck at killing sentries though. :(

If I don't play as Spy, I play as Medic or Scout or Sniper.

I suck at soldier and demoman for some reason.

I blow as soldier to, but now im to the point to wheree Im at least competant as every class(excepot soldier) but i really shine as a heavy, my best kill streak as heavy so far is 18 or 22?cant remember which.

I mainly play as Pyro, with Demoman, Spy, and sniper next on the list. Trying to play more Heavy, though.

And a tip for the Spies - NOBODY expects the Demoman.

I somehow got my best kill streak while playing heavy. probably because I'm less suicidal.

I'm best with Soldier and Demoman, and can rack up kills easily with Engineer.

Still play a lot of medic (go 15 assist kills with a buddy Heavy a while back).
Discovering Engineer (it's fun).
Can't play soldier, demoman and spy, I don't get the hang of them.

EDIT : Can't stand the demoman because I dislike area effect weapons in fact.

Sticky bombs are great to mass on the point the other team is trying to capture, which is a great part of how I play demo.

Can someone teach me how to play the Heavy? It's the class I play the least, and I always get killed.

Get a medic to always heal you, try to stay behind cover in open areas as heavies are easy targets for snipers and anyone else really. Don't charge ahead alone either.

That's the problem, no medics. Can you still play effectively as a heavy if there are no medics?

Yes, but you really want more meat shields, I mean team mates, around you.

The thing is, I'm the one who ends up being the meat shield.

That's the problem, no medics. Can you still play effectively as a heavy if there are no medics?

On defense (AKA 'mobile sentry'): yes. On offense: not so much.

On defense (AKA 'mobile sentry'): yes. On offense: not so much.

Pretty much what I was going to say.


Basically, you need a friend to be playing with you on the same team as your own personal medic to make heavy work best, because other people are too unreliable.

It's been a while since I last played TF2... besides the CTF version of Well, have any new Valve maps been released?

Not yet, there is a new map type which is supposedly being released this month though.

They say a map pack is in the works. A few more months for that though.

There are custm maps flaoting around, though I was too impatient to wait for them to download, but the two I played were pretty decent.

Two weeks ago, I got a 15 kill streak in TF2fort sewers as a medic... with a bonesaw.

The sad part was 1/2 of those killed were spies, and I also killed a heavy.

So, I can play it, just that my computer graphics suck.

The background is all black and crap.

I'll post a sample screenshot.

I'm not that good. I'm only decent on 2fort. Control enemy sewer with sentry.

My favourite map that came with the game is Dustbowl by far... It's weird, I have both the PC and Xbox versions for some reason.

Oh yeah for those TF2 PC users...what causes the glitch which creates giant characters?

I'm pretty sure that means they got out of the map.

I just want them to release the new crap, im already tired of this game, its a great game and all it just needs more stuff

It's VALVe, they will take their sweet time, and release a well polished bundle. In the meant time, like i said, there are user created maps. Just look for server titles saying "custom maps".

I just want them to release the new crap, im already tired of this game, its a great game and all it just needs more stuff

Yeah that's pretty much my feeling at the moment. I'm playing other games (TES IV: Oblivion right now) until there's enough new maps to make it interesting again.

I've played some custom maps, haven't really liked any of them much.

This thread requires more pictures (Those who have played TF2 will find them funnier than those who haven't).
http://www.fruit-salad.org/AyaRandom/spysappin.jpg
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http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/86169/20070921.JPG
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It's VALVe, they will take their sweet time, and release a well polished bundle. In the meant time, like i said, there are user created maps. Just look for server titles saying "custom maps".

Thats always been there problem though is the whole time thing, they just take to damn long to do anything, and few of the user maps are any fun.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/zeropunctuation/2928-Zero-Punctuation-Sim-City-Societies

Review on Simcity Societies, but at the end, there's an awesome vid on TF2 Heavys and Medics and Spies.

Tomorrow, Valve is supposed to add another new map and gameplay mode.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/zeropunctuation/2928-Zero-Punctuation-Sim-City-Societies

Review on Simcity Societies, but at the end, there's an awesome vid on TF2 Heavys and Medics and Spies.

very funny

You guys really think it was that good? I dont know Ijust vant seem to get into it at all, theres no generic "rifleman" class and I hate that, The soldier class doesnt count either they have a rocket launcher and a shotgun, the onlt reall assualt rifle in the game is the secondary gun that the snip[er has. I just dont really dig on online shooters like this, I like the more traditional kind.

The soldier's bazooka is a surprisingly good replacement for the assault rifle you see in other games because of its high damage and suppressive fire abilities. If you want a machine gun that desperately, use a Heavy.

I play heavy exclusively pretty much, I have a 22 kill streak. I like FPSs but in every FPS ever Im always a bonehead twithy shooter guy and TF2 just doesnt have that and thas why its so hard to get into and enjoy.

The Scout and the Soldier are best for twitchy shooty types.

Valve did update TF2 today :)

The Scout and the Soldier are best for twitchy shooty types.

First off, Heavy is my best class, and it is definately not a twitch shooter type, second, the scout is the closest to a twitch class, but that still doesnt mean it is. It has low health, and its shotgun is only good at close range.

A twitch shooter type would be overpowered. As it is, all classes have specialties which other classes aren't as good at, and have weaknesses too.

A twitch shooter type would be overpowered. As it is, all classes have specialties which other classes aren't as good at, and have weaknesses too.

Yes, good job captain obvious, Im glad to see were all reading the whole thread before posting.

How about you keep the trolling out of this thread?

How about you keep the trolling out of this thread?

How about you read the thread before posting next time?

I made a relevant post to the discussion, despite what you may think.


To keep this from being spam, how do I get on the roof of B on gravelpit as an engi?

There's a way to hop onto it via your buildings, but it is directly in the lnie of fire from the farthest tunnel to the left of the defenders,, by the entrance to the cap point.

I have a method for annoying my teammates. On the last stage of Dustbowl, I play as Engineer, and build a teleport. The exit is at the tunnel, under a support beam. So when they teleport, they're stuck and can't move. The Engineer's wrench taunt is great for when this happens.

You do realise you're meant to help your team win, not get them stuck in walls?

Then again, I'm one of the annoying jerks who run around yelling "Need a dispenser here" as a scout, so I probably shouldn't lecture you on not pissing off your team. :mischief:

You do realise you're meant to help your team win, not get them stuck in walls?

Then again, I'm one of the annoying jerks who run around yelling "Need a dispenser here" as a scout, so I probably shouldn't lecture you on not pissing off your team. :mischief:

I only do that when my team is utterly stupid.

What are your steam identies? I'm
a Maniacal Pencil

i just got xbox live gold so i just got to start playing this. this game is awesome! :D im best with the spy so far. although i do suck fairly well with just about every class :lol:

What are your steam identies? I'm
a Maniacal Pencil

I'm azzaman333 (unsurprisingly).

Look in the Red spawnpoint of Dustbowl 1. As you walk in. there is a half-rolled-up world map on the wall. If you look closely (a sniper scope helps), you will notice that it it is an ordinary map except for the US, which is divided into many different pieces of varying colors. (Blue and red are the most common, of course.) In Granary, there are a few speed limit signs. They are written miles per hour and designed like they are here in the States. (Although this design may be used elsewhere, standard measurements aren't.) Of the 9 classes, at least 3 are obviously American stereotypes. (The Scout, Engineer, and Soldier are obvious, the Pyro is an unknown.) Finally, the architecture and landscape are similar to those of the Mideast and Southwest (of the US), respectively.

Because of all of this, I think it is safe to conclude that TF2 is set in the United States. Based on the huge computers and racks of magnetic tapes that are all over the place, and the other technology of the setting (the Engineer's buildings are an anomaly in terms of technology) it also seems to be set between 60 and 40 years ago, in a dystopia where ideological differences between the agricultural (RED) and industrial (BLU) halves of America split and broke out in a kind of civil war. Note that BLU is always attacking, and that industry overtook agriculture in the US during this period.(Sorry for my heavy use of parentheses.)

Both RED and BLU are acronyms for different constructino companies (it says so in the game on walls and floors).

Reliable Excavation Demolition (RED) and Builders League United (BLU)

The heavy is Russian, (Russian versino with subtitles: http://storefront.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=game&AppId=994&cc=GB)

I don't think the setting is anything to be looked into too deeply, but is there to fill the void, it's not like the Half-Life world.

Medic is german, Demoman is a black Scottish cyclops, Sniper is obviously Australian and I don't know what the spy is.

Look in the Red spawnpoint of Dustbowl 1. As you walk in. there is a half-rolled-up world map on the wall. If you look closely (a sniper scope helps), you will notice that it it is an ordinary map except for the US, which is divided into many different pieces of varying colors. (Blue and red are the most common, of course.) In Granary, there are a few speed limit signs. They are written miles per hour and designed like they are here in the States. (Although this design may be used elsewhere, standard measurements aren't.) Of the 9 classes, at least 3 are obviously American stereotypes. (The Scout, Engineer, and Soldier are obvious, the Pyro is an unknown.) Finally, the architecture and landscape are similar to those of the Mideast and Southwest (of the US), respectively.

Because of all of this, I think it is safe to conclude that TF2 is set in the United States. Based on the huge computers and racks of magnetic tapes that are all over the place, and the other technology of the setting (the Engineer's buildings are an anomaly in terms of technology) it also seems to be set between 60 and 40 years ago, in a dystopia where ideological differences between the agricultural (RED) and industrial (BLU) halves of America split and broke out in a kind of civil war. Note that BLU is always attacking, and that industry overtook agriculture in the US during this period.(Sorry for my heavy use of parentheses.)


Ya im pretty sure they just sat around in a board room and thought of . .. .. .. .

Wikipedia suggest that the spy is French.

The spy is an French character dressed in a team-colored pin-stripe suit with a full-face balaclava and smoking a ubiquitous cigarette.

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1566/usagi2.jpg

Red and blue don't look any more common than orange or cream.

Somehow I missed the word French, that makes sense.

All it needs now is a canadian lumberjack and a chinese guy who builds walls and sells americanised chinese take out.

Somehow I missed the word French, that makes sense.

All it needs now is a canadian lumberjack and a chinese guy who builds walls and sells americanised chinese take out.

And someone in a wheelchair with AIDs.

And someone in a wheelchair with AIDs.

That's not a very fun stereotype though :(

it also seems to be set between 60 and 40 years ago, in a dystopia where ideological differences between the agricultural (RED) and industrial (BLU) halves of America split and broke out in a kind of civil war. Note that BLU is always attacking, and that industry overtook agriculture in the US during this period.(Sorry for my heavy use of parentheses.)

:lol: , the Civil War all over again.

That's not a very fun stereotype though :(

But it would make the full cirlce of stereotypes.

But it would make the full cirlce of stereotypes.

Except that we don't have a "real" black guy, and Arab, or and Indian.

And wheechair aids guy isn't a stereotype. At least not one I'm familiar with.

And wheechair aids guy isn't a stereotype. At least not one I'm familiar with.

It would cover all disabled, injured, elderly, or genetically impaired people in one fell swoop

It would cover all disabled, injured, elderly, or genetically impaired people in one fell swoop

But, no offense intended, I don't like sick people, they're no fun :( And that's medic's job, when he isn't running aronud gaily with heavy.

And that's medic's job, when he isn't running aronud gaily with heavy.

In the developer commentary (for the Well map) they actually mentioned that the medic system was intended to create an especially close relationship with the person being healed.:mischief:

Doesn't always work. Somebody I play with a lot is a terrible medic. Playing on a server with about 6 people I told him to go medic for a Heavy-Medic combo so he did. We attacked with him healing me. The moment they started shooting me with rockets, he switched to his needlegun so he could attack as well and we both died. Needless to say, I was not amused.

how do you get the developer commentaries for TF2?

how do you get the developer commentaries for TF2?
I remember it being on the front screen.

I thought there was new content for TeamFortress 2?

There's a new map, it's a pretty good map too. The other new content is on it's merry way.

There's a new map, it's a pretty good map too. The other new content is on it's merry way.

I do quite like playing scout on Badlands and manipulating the lack of knowledge of the map that some people have. Especially to cap points 4 and 5.

There's a new map, it's a pretty good map too. The other new content is on it's merry way.

I wonder how Valve stays in business with all this lollygagging.

Because they make boatloads of money from Steam, and because practically any game they make is guaranteed to sell like hotcakes regardless of delays.

Dude if hot cakes have been selling so well for so long why hasnt there va;ue deflated by now?

I wonder how Valve stays in business with all this lollygagging.

Because when they do release it, it is normally a very high quality.

Dude if hot cakes have been selling so well for so long why hasnt there va;ue deflated by now?

Baked goods only last so long. Games last year, even decades.

Baked goods only last so long. Games last year, even decades.

No it was more about the comparison to good sells to hot cake sells, if hot cakes have been selling for so long then why has the deman stayed the same and why are they so universally like that there is no new demand for a new variety.

No it was more about the comparison to good sells to hot cake sells, if hot cakes have been selling for so long then why has the deman stayed the same and why are they so universally like that there is no new demand for a new variety.

Kind of the the Mario, Zelda, Final Fantasy, MMORPG series.

Dude if hot cakes have been selling so well for so long why hasnt there va;ue deflated by now?

Because the cakes get bigger and shinier every year.

Duh.

Dude if hot cakes have been selling so well for so long why hasnt there va;ue deflated by now?

It seems like it would be a competitive, low-margin business, so no new hotcake sellers crop up, which means that the Hotcake Conspiracy Corporation can keep reaping the fruits, or cakes.

I've never understood why the heck this game is rated M...

Maybe the amount of blood and body parts flying around have something to do with it :mischief: ?

Maybe the amount of blood and body parts flying around have something to do with it :mischief: ?

Yes, cartoony graphics doesn't automatically mean kiddy game. I thought we learned that from fur fighters.

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/5071/furfightersboxlb2.jpg

Anyone with a bloody TF2 screen to demonstrate?

I think I posted this earlier in the thread. Lots of blood but not the bloodiest I've seen.

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee131/Raylakk/shenkzislookinggood.jpg

I don't even really notice it as bloody and gory.

me neither until that screen......

Playing as scout, you notice it a lot more (especially when the other team lands a good rocket at your feet)

Playing as scout, you notice it a lot more (especially when the other team lands a good rocket at your feet)

I usually avoid rockets as scout, longest fight I've had lasted about 2 minutes against a soldier before some damn engie put up a sentry gun.

I usually avoid rockets as scout, longest fight I've had lasted about 2 minutes against a soldier before some damn engie put up a sentry gun.

Quite often soldiers will change to their shot gun when facing a scout in the open as its very difficult to get a direct hit. I tend to play a lot on the Orange maps and a map called Lazytown.

Somehow I get shout out of the air by rockets a lot these days. Quite the opposite of luck I guess. My luck, that is...