A recent poll with a topic similar to this was closed because it was obviously a one-sided poll.

I hope this poll is a little more useful...

Hmm I'm unsure how to answer the question. I was not happy with the wait, but I'm satisfied with the actual patch. Does that mean it's worth the wait?

Hmm I'm unsure how to answer the question. I was not happy with the wait, but I'm satisfied with the actual patch. Does that mean it's worth the wait?

Ha ha - I try to put in as many option as possible, but I didn't consider that one.

You were not happy with the wait - but was it WORTH the wait?

Not sure if I can edit poll after people have voted, but if an admin was interested they could add a "Yes - other" and a "No - other"

Yeah, the question is less "Worth the wait", and more "is the patch good". Some people will have different answers for each question, I'd imagine.

Bh

Yeah, the question is less "Worth the wait", and more "is the patch good". Some people will have different answers for each question, I'd imagine.

Bh

Which is why I put three options for each "main" answer... this poll is more about the wait. There is an assumption that if you liked the patch it was worth the wait.

The other options assume that there is an agreement that there are issues and then allow you to choose a speed variable on the wait for the next patch.

Possibly resolvable with a Yes/no - other option.

Actually I am surprised that I left "other" options off of this poll - i generally try to have an out for everybody

For me the most interesting aspect of this poll will be peoples confidence in a timely fix. With patch and support issues dating back to the vanilla release of Civ$ I am not confident that these problems will be fixed in a timely manner. I'd love to be wrong. I used to love this game. I still do. Its just that now its become a love hate thing.

In one manner of thinking this patch is not worth the wait for me because I didn't feel that BTS was worth playing until the game was fixed. The major features which justified the expansion didn't work proper. And since I have grown increasingly frustrated with the quality and support of this game ever since the initial vanilla release.. I finally reached the point where enough was enough already and I put my foot down and shelved the game until such time as it was fixed. I have waited and waited to finally play BTS... and then I waited some more. At long last we were told it was completed and we'd have it two weeks ago... then it was said that we'd have it the first of this week. Now it is finaaaaallllly here and two major aspects of the game are busted (resource trading and MP). My confidence and patience towards Firaxis and the game of Civilization is rapidly wanning. To that end this patch was defiantly not worth it. I miss the Golden Age of Civ. Patch and support issues like this sadden me.

But all that said I was very happy to finally play a game after months of waiting. I was going to wait a week or so and see if the patch would be patched. But I couldn't wait any longer and I had no trust that it would be fixed soon anyway. Thus far my game has been fun and exciting. It sucks that resource trading is borked. But hopefully the other aspects of the game are fixed proper now. And I am looking forward to FINALLY playing the game with Vassals (I turned it off back in the Warlord days). I'm also looking forward to playing with the Space victory selected. I hope the AI is now wise enough to save its arse and stop building SS parts while it is being overrun by my military. These things and much more will ultimately decide for me if this patch was worth the wait... and that will decide for me if the game of Civilization is worth my future attention. Civilization stands on the brink of becoming history to me. This patch and its support will decide all.

Anyone who's 'satisfied' hasn't actually spent much time playing it IMO. This patch was clearly either untested or tested by folks who were actually unconscious at the time :lol:

Bhruic has fixed some of the more annoying bugs with an unofficial patch:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=246057

Anyone who's 'satisfied' hasn't actually spent much time playing it IMO. This patch was clearly either untested or tested by folks who were actually unconscious at the time :lol:

EDIT

Hmmm I take back what I said earlier. After some more attempted MP games today I've noticed OOS errors almost consistently at the beginning of every game. It seems to be just temporary though, as after the players out of sync exit and rejoin there are no further problems. I'm unsure whether this is a problem with the patch, a problem with gamespy or a some combination of both.

The only reason I was expecting the patch was that the most famous mods were waiting for it to update...

I'm still waiting for it lmao... Keeps crashing for me...

No game breaking bug. Fast and easy unofficial fixes for the minor bugs. Hum.

I actually expected that this time there would be no bugs, but I still think it was worthy the wait.

I don't play MP so it seems okay so far, aside from the stupid resource trading.

Not happy about the patch requiring a patch though. :rolleyes:

When voting on this poll, are we supposed to take into account the behaviour of Alexman?

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Worthy very much the wait only for the fact that an AI just stole Literature from me with a spy in a SG game.

Yeah..Fixing's great, but how do you BREAK what never needed FIXING!

When voting on this poll, are we supposed to take into account the behaviour of Alexman?

I think we're supposed to take into account the actual question asked, and leave it at that.... :rolleyes:

I personally am very pleased with the patch, and it doesn't really annoy me that a few unofficial fixes for it have been released. After all, how many games out there can we unofficially fix ourselves? And I have no doubt that there may even be further patches in the long run, but for the first time it seems that 3.13 is the steady base from which to build upon.

Anyone who's 'satisfied' hasn't actually spent much time playing it IMO. This patch was clearly either untested or tested by folks who were actually unconscious at the time

Come on, most of the massive list of fixes were implemented well. A few bugs remain. Vote how you wish, but don't pass judgement on those who are satisfied. Fair enough? ;)

its worth it

instant CTD on loading with 3.13 as reported in the tech supp, Last time I buy anything from firaxis without entensively testing it first!!

Simon

Last time I buy anything from firaxis without entensively testing it first!!
Simon

Don't be unrealistic, not even Firaxis testers extensively test it :lol:

From the patch log, it was worth waiting for.

From the quality in which it has been delivered, I am doubtful. Therefor, I checked "unsure - other".

Thanks to Bhruic, the most obvious things have been patched. This is good, of course.
Yet, a patch which needs to be patched by the fanbase? And no word from the company upon these things?

As I am currently running into some problems which maybe are not directly linked to the patch, I lack enough experience to give it a final thumbs up or thumbs down.

Overall, I agree with you, Bello. Thanks to Bhruic's patch, it's much better. I do have some concerns about memory usage that I wasn't experiencing before, so hopefully, when my new RAM gets here, that'll be solved. It just seems that the game sucks up resources more than it did before - but I think that's due to the tweaked AI routines.

If I still have problems after I install the additional RAM, I'm going back to Warlords only, with some regrets.

I chose

No - There are some issues, I am concerned that an official fix is months away

Because the one issue I'm greatly concerned about is the Multiplayer OOS :/
My particular fear is that they will wait until they have all the issues consolidated and more new fixes to put into a brand new patch before it gets fixed when it is an issue that needs immediate attention, like in the next few days attention. I can't get through any multiplayer games with the issue, and I'm not the only one.

I am not happy with this patch, due to the poor communication and the screwing with the assets of Warlords/Vanilla.

regarding the oos
So far everyone who has had that problem has been able to eliminate it by making sure all players do a complete uninstall/reinstall cycle. Not a prefered solution, but it works.

Bh

from this thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=245912&page=14)

i voted yes, problems will be fixed soon because all the issues i have with the patch have been pretty much fixed already.

I'm not going to vote because I haven't played enough to form a clear opinion, the patch has just been out a couple days right? Just posting to state I can't believe that over 100 people have!

No games are without bugs despite how much efforts or time have been spent - let's focus on the positive side of things:

3.13 + Bhruic's fix >>>> 3.03 ;p

regarding the oos


from this thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=245912&page=14)
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So far everyone who has had that problem has been able to eliminate it by making sure all players do a complete uninstall/reinstall cycle. Not a prefered solution, but it works.

Bh



Not true, I uninstalled and OOS problems still hit me (so unless I'm not part of "everyone" its not a true statement :/).

Definitely not worth the wait. And I'm not being bitter because I had to wait so long. But honestly, MP synch is broken and SP often crashes to desktop. They totally screwed it up IMHO.

Not true, I uninstalled and OOS problems still hit me (so unless I'm not part of "everyone" its not a true statement :/).

Did you uninstall AND manually delete all the program and user directories? If not, give it a try. Be sure to hit Program Files..., My Games... and Local Settings...something-or-other...Cache. Also make sure to use the default program installation location, because the patch inappropriately uses a few hard-coded destinations.

...because the patch inappropriately uses a few hard-coded destinations.

perhaps the patch needs a patch?

Unsure - won't be fixed for months.

Reading through Bhruic's patch changes it seems they missed some very critical things. And I fail to see how the whole culture not displaying in tooltips was not caught in testing when it was delayed so long for testing. But I really didn't get a chance to play much with version 3.03. SO I voted unsure. I kinda just stepped in around the time the patch 3.13 had been annouced it was finished. So I don't have much knowledge at hand on the subject.

I want an option for "Yes - There are some issues, but I am concerned that an official fix is months away."

I'm guessing that the results will pretty much look like the poll I threw together (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=245682) where the results are roughly half positive and half negative, with just a handful at the extremes.

The glace screen may have been ugly, but it was sure useful! Boo hoo on that being gone.

I want an option for "Yes - There are some issues, but I am concerned that an official fix is months away."

I'm guessing that the results will pretty much look like the poll I threw together (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=245682) where the results are roughly half positive and half negative, with just a handful at the extremes.

Actually thinking more about the poll there are definitely a few more options that I wish I had put in there - I should have ALSO put in a "No there are some issues and I don't care when i get the patch"

I liked your poll, but I think this poll is showing some interesting things - even though it is flawed.

The glace screen may have been ugly, but it was sure useful! Boo hoo on that being gone.

Agree. That screen was great for assisting in provocation of AI wars, but I don't have the time to click on all the AI in the relations screen to check who likes and hates who. :(

Didn't the glance screen show who was whoms worst enemy? And did I word that correctly?

Worst enemy = lowest number value? You really need something that tells you who the AI's worst enemy(s) are if they are going to penalize you for not going along with it.

Didn't the glance screen show who was whoms worst enemy? And did I word that correctly?

Worst enemy = lowest number value? You really need something that tells you who the AI's worst enemy(s) are if they are going to penalize you for not going along with it.

It showed the + or - attitude of each AI towards every other AI. So yes.

Would be nice if they added a worst enemy(s) catagory to the mouse over that shows espionage, and the + and - 's. Along with something on the diplomacy screen.

Would be nice if they added a worst enemy(s) catagory to the mouse over that shows espionage, and the + and - 's. Along with something on the diplomacy screen.

Yes, it would be excellent, because it isn't *quite* as simple as looking for the lowest number. There are hidden modifiers in there and they *do* matter. A lot. You will occasionally see AIs annoyed with each other while at +1 relations, or pleased with each while at -1 relations. One of the hidden modifiers isn't even predictable, so even if you know how they work, you still can't be certain of the actual values.

Given that the leaders will occasionally tell you who their worst enemy is when you chat to them (the information is available if you can be bothered to spend five boring minutes or so clicking on everybody over and over), and given that they care about it so much, it only seems sensible that we should have instant access to this important information on the diplomacy screen.

Worth the wait, I'm not completely satisfied, I don't really expect "the company" to fix new bugs soon, I do expect Bhruic or Solver to fix them.

bumping because there are only two days left in the poll

I think it's pathetic that a fan of the game is doing such a better job fixing the patch than Firaxis itself.

Firaxis should fire its entire staff and just hire Bhruic.

Even with Bhruic's fixes, Firaxis still didn't figure out how to make Corporations integrate into the strategy of the game or teach the AI how to use them. Corporations is supposed to be one of the key features of BTS, but right now they are a no-brainer to build and spread, and the AI doesn't even bother to found them.

It will probably take months IMO. Because even if they have the patch finished now, it has to go through testing. And we are talking about 2k, who has other cash cows out on the market right now. IMO 2k seems to have a crappy QA dept.

It will probably take months IMO. Because even if they have the patch finished now, it has to go through testing.


Testing? What testing would that be? It's blatantly clear from 3.13 that firaxis don't even allow for 20 minutes of 'testing' let alone 2 months.

Testing? What testing would that be? It's blatantly clear from 3.13 that firaxis don't even allow for 20 minutes of 'testing' let alone 2 months.

Replace firaxis with take2.