Which would you rather have posession of?

Hmm...I dunno, i seem to like marble wonders more.

Stone in ancient/classical. Marble from classical onwards.

Depends on difficulty level. At Monarch or below, Stone. Emperor or above, Marble, as I probably won't go for Pyramids or any of the other Stone world wonders.

Before BtS, I would have said stone for Pyramids and Notre Dame. But with the revamped golden ages, I prefer marble for the Mausoleum of Maussollos and the Great Library. Stone is still nice for getting the Moai Statues up faster.

If I am going for a specialist economy, then stone for the pyramids. Otherwise, probably marble for the great library.

I prefer stone.

Tough call. I'm going to say stone here. I'm a huge fan of building the Pyramids for an early great engineer specialist.

Stone. I should have enough production alone to get later/marble wonders.

Depends on difficulty you are playing at. lower difficulty, you probably want stone. It gives you pyramid, the rest you can get it without discount if you have good production cities.

If you play on deity though, even with stone, more often then not you will not get pyramid, and even if you got pyramid, without marble, most of the marble wonders will be snatched up by AI. So its a toss up, depends on what kind of wonders you really want.

A stone in Warlords, a marble in BTS is useful.

Definitely stone. Stone wonders are by far more useful. The only marble wonder I can't do without is Oracle and it is pretty cheap anyway. (I play on Emperor, so don't know anything about immortal or diety).

If I see stone near my start I am laughing.

You can always get marble later, although both seem very rare to me in the majority of my games!

Stone. Pyramids FTW

Stone is big early but there seems to be way more marble wonders later on.

would have been a good poll. Marble because there aren't many stone wonders it seems like. It may be even for all I know, but it seems like marble has more. Stone does eem more rare though. You canusually just go to one of the poles for marble, but stone usually seems to elude me.

I ussually have no problem building the Pyramids without stone, and aside from the Pyramids, Marble has better wonders IMO.

I prefer stone, simply due to better wonders.

marble ever time!!

Ever start with both beside a high prod capital...mmmmmmm wonder spamming.

I like marble, as their wonders tend to produce more culture for my victory, as well as the fact I have a better selection.

Marble. I rarely run a SE, so I don't build the Pyramids often. Marble is more useful for the Great Library, and the Oracle, and so on.

Where's the poll? :)

Stone.

Marble:
Mausalleum
Great Library
Oracle
Temple of Artemis
Parthanon
Hagia Sophia
Versailles
Sistine Chapel
Taj Mahal

Stone
Pyramids
Great Lighthouse
Great Wall
Angkor Wat
Chichen Itza
Notre Dame
Stonehenge
Hanging Gardens
The Kremlin
Spiral Mineret
University of Sankore

So Stone has 11 and Marble has only 9.

Hanging gardens are marble. So is the Great Lighthouse, as far as I know.

Hanging gardens are marble. So is the Great Lighthouse, as far as I know.

Incorrect on both accounts.

http://www.civfanatics.com/civ4/info/wonders/

(Although the Great Lighthouse's bonus resource isn't listed there for some reason, I'm 99% sure it's stone.)

Great Lighthouse is neither stone nor marble.

Why couldn't I build Marble Pyramids? I would think that would be more impressive than stone ones.

Great Lighthouse is neither stone nor marble.

Really? I could have sworn it was stone...I stand corrected then.

Odd, in reality it was completly marble, I guess it balances the 2 resources. I like having whichever resource depending on my civ. I like to roleplay a bit, so I like marble for greece, but stone for egypt, etc.

The great lighthouse was destroyed in antiquity, how do we know what it was made of?

Stone, if ancient. Great Wall + Pyramids

Marble. I rarely run a SE, so I don't build the Pyramids often.

What?? :crazyeye: :crazyeye: :crazyeye:

Marble =
Oracle (if you are foolish enough to persue an oracle strat that is not a CS sling)
Mausoleum (a second golden age is generally too late in MP)
Great Library (also weak in MP)


Stone =
Moai
Hanging
Notre


Stone wins.

Marble =
Oracle (if you are foolish enough to persue an oracle strat that is not a CS sling)
Mausoleum (a second golden age is generally too late in MP)
Great Library (also weak in MP)


Stone =
Moai
Hanging
Notre


Stone wins.
Oracle is extremely good outside of that. Slinging Theocracy, CoL, Feudalism, Metal Casting, and possibly even Machinery are all good gambits with the Oracle.

My answer is this: it depends.

Oracle is extremely good outside of that. Slinging Theocracy, CoL, Feudalism, Metal Casting, and possibly even Machinery are all good gambits with the Oracle.

My answer is this: it depends.

CoL is the only decent option you present. Anything that slows down your arrival at CS is a detriment. In SP, trading might make other techs worthwhile.

In MP, there is no contest. Stone wins (without pyramids).

I don't play a lot of MP, so I don't understand. Please be more specific. Why is Stone so good? The stone wonders you list don't seem that great to me.

Marble affects more National Wonders IIRC, so I'll go with that since I won't normally build a lot of wonders.

I'd rather have stone hooked up at the beginning of the game, but by the time I get Masonry and I get a worker to Road and Quarry the tile, it's too late for me to get too much use out of it.

So, from that point, I'd rather have marble in my borders.

If I get to choose which free resource I get to have in my cities from a magic source (like Rock and Roll) starting in 4000 BC, then I'd say Stone all the way.

Ever start with both beside a high prod capital...mmmmmmm wonder spamming.

I played as the French in the Terra map and they are both industrious and creative and yes there's bot marble and stone nearby.

The culture of Paris was so strong that both Berlin and London revolted to my side and since London was the only English city at the time they ceased to exist.

I love wonders so I'm always industrious but I prefer stone because of Stonehenge and the pyramids early on. After that it hardly matters much.

I don't play a lot of MP, so I don't understand. Please be more specific. Why is Stone so good? The stone wonders you list don't seem that great to me.

MP = No Tech Trading.

Great library requires literature when the tech is still expensive (before CS). Generally, a waste of time in MP because: Pangea = early rush, and Island = CS rush. Great Lib does not reach fruition until the industrial age anyway (when the bonus scientists have helped achieve a significant tech lead), so it just does not help in most MP games.

Oracle, used for Metal, Monachy, Machinery, or Fuedalism will result in a CS date of >200AD. Game lost. In pangea, longbow are great for defense, but will you enjoy watching the point leader pull away while you scramble for guilds with a crappy economy and he works 4 cottages in bureaucracy?

Masoleum is effective only if you have at least 3 golden ages. 2 might make it worthwhile, but in MP, you get 1 GreatPerson for academy (scientist), 1 for engineering or a wonder (engineer), and one for a golden age. Getting 2 more for another golden age will not happen until the game is over (industrial era).

With all of those questionable benefits, how can you choose marble over:

Notre = +2 happiness (all cities)
Hanging = +1 pop, +1 health (all cities)
Maoi = always worth building, usually in cap.

Immediate gratification gets the job done in MP.

ps. I pretty much only play MP. I got tired of trying to memorize AI behavior to exploit the code. Playing against the code (in many ways) got boring, now I prefer human opponents.

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The great lighthouse was destroyed in antiquity, how do we know what it was made of?

Because it was next to the great library. Thus, it was documented. Seriously, it was world famous.

No one's mentioned this, so it's probably just me, but it seems that marble is really rare, so that's the one i'd pick. Stone seems to me to pop up 3x as much as marble. Wonder-wise, i like the marble, seems stone has too-many of those great prophet wonders.

Because it was next to the great library. Thus, it was documented. Seriously, it was world famous.

According to wiki, it was Constructed from large blocks of light-coloured stone

No one's mentioned this, so it's probably just me, but it seems that marble is really rare, so that's the one i'd pick. Stone seems to me to pop up 3x as much as marble. Wonder-wise, i like the marble, seems stone has too-many of those great prophet wonders.

I'd say it's pretty even...both are pretty rare IMO.

If the question was; which resource would you rather start with I think everyone would say stone, marble you can get later relativly easy.

But if im excluded from one, Im prolly gonna say marble. But nnngghhh, I want both!

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