Many people have lived in terrible enviroments with torture, discrimination, slavery etc.
Some examples are people in concentration camps, slaves shipped from Africa to America, slaves in earlier history, children soldiers today and so on...
Who do you think lived the worst life ever?
And do you know about any god books, movies or articles about this? I'd like to know more.
Thanks.

Sadly there's too many to choose from.

It's hard to quantify. I think most Jews in Nazi death camps knew their ultimate fate, although it took a long time to happen; whereas most African slaves were subject to it for a shorter time and had a better chance of surviving (as that was the whole point). But if things get bad enough, is death the worst that can happen?

Job.

Boy, God sure jerked him around didn't he? Take that you devout believer! And that!

People in Communist countries...

Too difficult to say. Lots of people in history got screwed over.

I'd say the inmates in the German concentration camps in World War II. The Soviet and Japanese camps were awfully bad, too.

There are plenty of other prisoner camps in history or genocides committed where people have had it just as bad as during WW2. I wouldn't want to be a Congolese during the Belgian occupation...if you don't bring them enough rubber, you lose a hand.

Being poor in the early industrial revolution would have really sucked. Especially somewhere like the matchstick factories.

The elephant man?

There are plenty of other prisoner camps in history or genocides committed where people have had it just as bad as during WW2. I wouldn't want to be a Congolese during the Belgian occupation...if you don't bring them enough rubber, you lose a hand.

Larry Gonick has a section in The Cartoon History of the Modern World on the Indians enslaved to work in the Potosi silver mines. After the easy silver was taken, they used mercury to extract the silver. Mercury fumes cause madness and death.

When the Spanish started running short of Indians they imported slaves from Africa to work the mines.

This went on for a couple hundred years. God knows how many people died.

People in Communist countries...

Don't be an idiot. To compare their life to that of a Jew in a concentration camp or an African slave in American south or a some of the jobs that involved poisonous heavy metals is just reeks of uninformed ideology.

Depends on the people. Some individuals under Stalin had it pretty bad.

Incidentally, I recall hearing that among the Allied anti-German propaganda of World War I was a list of things they had done to the Belgians under occupation. Things like cutting off hands and feet. Well, the Germans hadn't done this . . . but the Belgians had, to the Congolese.

(Admittedly, the Belgians did suffer, and by and large the Belgians who suffered under the Germans weren't the same individuals inflicting atrocities in the Congo, and weren't responsible. Still, there is no comparison between the two.)

a capitalist in soviet russia.

Don't be an idiot. To compare their life to that of a Jew in a concentration camp or an African slave in American south or a some of the jobs that involved poisonous heavy metals is just reeks of uninformed ideology.

Don't be an idiot. He doesn't mean random people on the street. Have you ever read or heard anything about Soviet prisoners?

Someone who lived in Western Russia from about 1900-2000.

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Don't be an idiot. He doesn't mean random people on the street. Have you ever read or heard anything about Soviet prisoners?

Being a Soviet prisoner would be one of the nastiest lives I can imagine. Given the poster's sig and some previous posts I'm under the impression she meant a random person on the street of Moscow or Beijing. If I made a mistake I apologize.

Well, I'll just bunch a few together.

WW2 Concentration Camps
Soviet Death Camps
Cambodia under that dictator with those names that start with p.
As a slave under an unbenevolent person.
As a sinner, who wasn't forgiven, and condemned to hell. :p

Being a Soviet prisoner would be one of the nastiest lives I can imagine. Given the poster's sig and some previous posts I'm under the impression she meant a random person on the street of Moscow or Beijing. If I made a mistake I apologize.

Actually I think you didn't make any mistake... I dunno... I didn't notice the sig. :)

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I meant for that whole period. World War I, Red Revolution, Horrid Winter, Nazism, Death Camps, Communism, Economic Stagnation, Chernobyl, etc...

Don't be an idiot. He doesn't mean random people on the street. Have you ever read or heard anything about Soviet prisoners?

He should of said prisoner. Heres mine
A chinese sweatshop worker forced to work for 3 cents an hour with no hope of advancement, so you can get you're socks nineteen cents cheaper.

Slave mining jobs. Potosi, Roman coal mines, etc.

I meant for that whole period. World War I, Red Revolution, Horrid Winter, Nazism, Death Camps, Communism, Economic Stagnation, Chernobyl, etc...

Then it would be my family. I've only known the Fall and the Chaos ;) and Chernobyl of course....

I meant for that whole period. World War I, Red Revolution, Horrid Winter, Nazism, Death Camps, Communism, Economic Stagnation, Chernobyl, etc...


Use your imagination for Christs sake... living through economic stagnation the worst life imaginable?

It was bad enough. For your info whats happening in Russia right now is sometimes called "Second Civil War".

Use your imagination for Christs sake... living through economic stagnation the worst life imaginable?

I like how you select only one of my criteria, and they save that just because of it it was the worst life possible.

Please grow up.

I like how you select only one of my criteria, and they save that just because of it it was the worst life possible.

Please grow up.

but thats what the xamples were meant to be of, surely? therest of them were valid, why did you put in the Brezhnev years alongside the others? Just to cover all bases?

but thats what the xamples were meant to be of, surely? therest of them were valid, why did you put in the Brezhnev years alongside the others? Just to cover all bases?

Each individual example wouldn't be bad enough by themselves, like you put. Mix all of them together and you have one hellacious life.

Going by one single example life in So. Cal. right now would be pretty crummy since they are surrounded by fires and have to live in a football stadium for a week or more. Looking at the whole picture life in San Diego is very nice.

Neanderthals had a life span of about 20 years. Most of it was probably spent in excruciating pain with just a bright enough flicker of intelligence to realise how much it sucked, and that when you finally did kark it your tribemates would crack your skull open and eat your brains!

Unga-Bunga probably would have said, "Russian prison? What I wouldn't give!?!?"

Umm . . . I don't think Neanderthal life was really like that.

Sure it was. Just ask Barbara Walters.

being not japanese in a japanese military camp in World War 2.

Probably Jerry Falwell.

how about being labeled a heretic during some of the more violent inquisitions? History Channel has done a story on torture devices; I couldn't sit through the entire show.

I would't say life in the Soviet Union was the worst. Under Lenin (Following Civil War) I'm sure it was more bareable then under some of the Tsarist rules. Life hit its lowest under Stalin but none of the following reached such a level.

I'm not to up to date on it but I hear Pol-Pot was probably one of the biggest murderers in history... So, life under Pol's rule, I'd say.

Britney Spears,
oh you mean the worst conditions to live in not the worst form of human life?
i saw apocalyptico, and hell those mineworkers... ewww

People in the Bataan death march.;)

Do you mean the Bataan Death March, or Bhutan?

Oops. Sorry for the misspell.:blush: I accidently spelled it wrong. I meant the Bataan. NOT the Bhutan, which is a country. sorry:hammer2:

Serfs and peasants living in the dark and middle ages. Communism mimics feaudalism.

Serfs and peasants living in the dark and middle ages. Communism mimics feaudalism.

You apparently don't understand one of these concepts very well.

Neanderthals had a life span of about 20 years. Most of it was probably spent in excruciating pain with just a bright enough flicker of intelligence to realise how much it sucked, and that when you finally did kark it your tribemates would crack your skull open and eat your brains!

Unga-Bunga probably would have said, "Russian prison? What I wouldn't give!?!?"

Well you know neanderthals had bigger brains than we do? :mischief:

Guantanamo? Constant torture and abuse for years.. and you aren't even allowed to die.

Well you know neanderthals had bigger brains than we do?

So do whales . . . evidence seems to suggest they had less cognitive ability than us, or at least less sophisticated tool making and no art.

I'm too lazy to check...............

I think it's the "Holy Land". Many people, preferrably christians, were massacred there. Some beauties were raped :drool:

i jsut noticed this. The modern world has the most sophisticated technology, the highest ideas of human rights, yet in the last 100 yrs some of teh most evil and unforgivable genocides have occured.

Well some genocides did have a very positive ironic twist to it.

When the British were trying to bring in more Jewish immigrants to Palestine, however, it was going to slow and they could not form a majority fast enough. However Hitler's Holocaust increased the speed of immigration until enough was formed a Jewish State

Probably Apolyton.

whats that?

You don't wanna know :scared:

c'mon ;) is it that horrible?

I'm doing a report on atrocities and the accounts of Japan's WWII "comfort" women make me ill.

^agreed. the girls in the japanese camps suffered greatly. in fact, any "enemy" of the Japanese suffered greatly. the chances of surviving in a Japanese camp as opposed to a Nazi camp (if you were a POW) were ~30% compared with 4% for the Germans.

Well some genocides did have a very positive ironic twist to it.

When the British were trying to bring in more Jewish immigrants to Palestine, however, it was going to slow and they could not form a majority fast enough. However Hitler's Holocaust increased the speed of immigration until enough was formed a Jewish State

That's left up to interpretation.

However I would most certainly put you into this category for saying that the holocaust was a good thing. Even if the Jews willingly accepted this there was still other groups that were ruthlessly murdered.

Ariel Sharon, I can't believe someone could massacre so many people and still possess the ability to sleep at night.

Well some genocides did have a very positive ironic twist to it.

When the British were trying to bring in more Jewish immigrants to Palestine, however, it was going to slow and they could not form a majority fast enough. However Hitler's Holocaust increased the speed of immigration until enough was formed a Jewish State
And don't forgot the mass murder and forced immigration on the Palestinians, it is one of Democracy's Golden Ages. The majority is decided by the few.

Well some genocides did have a very positive ironic twist to it.

When the British were trying to bring in more Jewish immigrants to Palestine, however, it was going to slow and they could not form a majority fast enough. However Hitler's Holocaust increased the speed of immigration until enough was formed a Jewish State

a hell of a lot of people would disagree with the connection between the first highlight and the second there, chief

Ariel Sharon, I can't believe someone could massacre so many people and still possess the ability to sleep at night.

Oh i think he sleeps very tightly, with being dead and all. ;)

Oh i think he sleeps very tightly, with being dead and all. ;)
Although this is a debatable matter (lol), he did live almost two decades following the first war crimes he commited, had he not been able to sleep in this segment, his rotten inhuman self wouldn't have survived that long.

1. He is still alive.
2. Murderer to you, War Hero to me.

Anyways, another bad time might be a Liberian during the war, that might be one of the worst places to have lived recently, that and under Taliban rule.

Ariel Sharon, I can't believe someone could massacre so many people and still possess the ability to sleep at night.

:lol:

Even if we assume that Sharon personally and knowingly ordered the cold blooded execution of every Arab to die in the Lebanon War and the Second Intifada, which he most certainly didn't, and that each and every one of them was innocent, which they certainly weren't, that still puts him at best on the fifth tier of cruel leaders in history.

Even if we assume that Sharon personally and knowingly ordered the cold blooded execution of every Arab to die in the Lebanon War and the Second Intifada, which he most certainly didn't, and that each and every one of them was innocent, which they certainly weren't, that still puts him at best on the fifth tier of cruel leaders in history.

So what you are saying is that the Human Race is not actually developing with time and science, but it is actually stagnant? A massacre of 500,000 people in the 15th Century would not have made much impact back then, but it would be called a catastrophe had it happened in this current day and age, now that we have universal suffrage and media, not to mention value for human life.

You're also demeaning the word "Leader", but then again your Zionist Leaders would never want to take responsibility for those inhuman minions they send to war. Sometimes I think that your "Leaders" (Because I have a doubt in them actually leading you) orders are "Mass Elimination" and every single one of your Proud Upstanding protectors of inhuman lives are acting on their own. This is at least what your Leaders seem to portray after each and every massacre.

You know, I used to condemn Hamas for all its actions, but that was a long time ago. Although I'm neither with Hamas nor with Hezbollah. Both have deviated from the main cause of resistance and protection and into the cause of power lust. You do realize that we have the same right to defend ourselves you have, right? I guess that emoticon you posted there describes how your extremests (I respect the Moderate Jewish People, even if some of them are currently residing in Israel) act when the news of Human Children brutally murdered in the confines of their homes scroll on your Television. Your settlements are built on weak foundations, the blood of human beings.

1. He is still alive.
Xinophobic, the only thing alive in him is his black stoned heart, he is suffering in life before he is sent to your and my God for judgment.

2. Murderer to you, War Hero to me.

If I said Hitler, the man who massacred 6 million Jews and and millions other non-Jews (Denying the Holocaust is a freedom of Speech, but the Holocaust itself is a fact) was my hero for killing so many Zionists, although unfortunately he took the life of innocent Jews along the way. How would you react? You'd probably call me Anti Semite, although I'm part of the largest of Semitic Races and I don't hate myself as far as I know.

But Hitler is a murderer, and no Murderer may verify his actions. Murder is a crime against Human Beings, everyone who agrees with Murder is a Murderer himself.

Even if he supported and protected your illegal cause, you should consider him a murderer and a criminal. But then again, I can only speak for Pro Humanists and not Anti.

News Flash: Annapolis is a failure, continue the murder of Palestinians in Gaza, Ramallah, Tulkarem and "Heborn" (Al Kahleel). And expect the third Intifada coming soon to a neighborhood near you. And this time, call on Olmert to pass a the bill of breaking the arms of Children too, those rascals can throw stones better then you can aim your Advanced Weapons.

So what you are saying is that the Human Race is not actually developing with time and science, but it is actually stagnant? A massacre of 500,000 people in the 15th Century would not have made much impact back then, but it would be called a catastrophe had it happened in this current day and age, now that we have universal suffrage and media, not to mention value for human life.

Some develop, others don't.

When some commit an act of cruelty, negligence which leads to cruelty, or a mere innocent mistake which ends with regretful consequences, they are questioned, they are punished, their careers freeze, they face huge demonstrations and vilification from the media and their own people, their families are shamed and it is only rarely they manage to return to a position of power.

When others do the same, they are hailed as heroes, their pictures are plastered on all walls, their names and deeds are shouted during prayer and sermon and their families are rewarded and honored.

Progress is not universal.

So in which side do you put your nation? The progressing? Or the stagnant?

People in Communist countries...

I lived in communist country, at least first five years of my life. My parents and grandparents often remember those times with nostalgia. Everybody had everything there was to be had (a lot less than in Western world), everybody had a job (jobs were way less stressful back then), and so forth... There was a lot of bad things happening to people, maybe even more than good things. But from knowing life under communism I wouldn't go as far as to say life under communist countries is worst form of human life. In fact, I don't think its even close to that.

I lived in communist country, at least first five years of my life. My parents and grandparents often remember those times with nostalgia. Everybody had everything there was to be had (a lot less than in Western world), everybody had a job (jobs were way less stressful back then), and so forth... There was a lot of bad things happening to people, maybe even more than good things. But from knowing life under communism I wouldn't go as far as to say life under communist countries is worst form of human life. In fact, I don't think its even close to that.

Yugoslavia was a paradise. You really, really can't compare it with any other country in the area. Yugoslavia was communist on paper... It system had nothing to do with the system of any other communist country in the world. It was something totally different. In fact, I'd go as far as saying that in Yugoslavia life was better before the fall of the communism in Europe than after.

Yugoslavia was a paradise. You really, really can't compare it with any other country in the area. Yugoslavia was communist on paper... It system had nothing to do with the system of any other communist country in the world. It was something totally different. In fact, I'd go as far as saying that in Yugoslavia life was better before the fall of the communism in Europe than after.

Yeah, sure. You could see it from Romania and I and my peers were just blind.
I don't deny Yugoslavia wasn't more prosperous than Iron Curtain countries, but it was communist dictatorship nevertheless.

Communism wasn't so bad. Russians would agree, after all, only oppositional party of any significance in Russian Duma is communist.

I am aware of terrible position Romanian people were forced to live under Ceausescu though. But I still doubt it was the worse thing ever.

Yeah, sure. You could see it from Romania and I and my peers were just blind.
I don't deny Yugoslavia wasn't more prosperous than Iron Curtain countries, but it was communist dictatorship nevertheless.

Communism wasn't so bad. Russians would agree, after all, only oppositional party of any significance in Russian Duma is communist.

I am aware of terrible position Romanian people were forced to live under Ceausescu though. But I still doubt it was the worse thing ever.

Look, I'm not talking about Romania. Look at Albania, China, Hungary, Ukraine, North-Korea, Cuba, Moldova... if you're saying life in those can even be compared with Yugoslavia, then I doubt you really have any idea what life in those countries was like. Really. I think this statement of yours is disrespectful towards the people having to suffer the horrid situation in these countries.

I'm perfectly aware of the nostalgia existing in ex-Yugoslavia, especially in the poorer areas (and I'm not really totally alien to the country - I've been to Serbia 7 times, to Croatia twice, to Macedonia once and to Slovenia once), and it is understandable!! The problem is that people fail to understand that it has nothing to do with the situation elsewhere.

I don't know exactly what you are (sarcastically) saying that I could see from here and you and your peers couldn't see from there.

Xinophobic, the only thing alive in him is his black stoned heart, he is suffering in life before he is sent to your and my God for judgment.
Undercivilized, (ZOMG, LOL I made an insulting pun with your name too.) Actually the only thing keeping him alive is Medical Advances, Technology and knowing he has a family to look forward to if he ever wakes up....but whatever makes you happy.

If I said Hitler, the man who massacred 6 million Jews and and millions other non-Jews (Denying the Holocaust is a freedom of Speech, but the Holocaust itself is a fact) was my hero for killing so many Zionists, although unfortunately he took the life of innocent Jews along the way. How would you react? You'd probably call me Anti Semite, although I'm part of the largest of Semitic Races and I don't hate myself as far as I know.

Yes, because after all, a planned Genocide to unarmed combatants for no reason at all is easily comparable to killing Terrorists, Terrorists Supporters & unfortunate Human Shields. Heaven forbid we bring up the Sabra and Shatila massacre, where Sharon allowed the Christians to exact revenge after their families were brutally murdered by the Palestinians or your Lebanese kinsman (heck even that is debated)....yes your right, the Holocaust & Massacres are so much alike. You make me sick....

News Flash: Annapolis is a failure, continue the murder of Palestinians in Gaza, Ramallah, Tulkarem and "Heborn" (Al Kahleel). And expect the third Intifada coming soon to a neighborhood near you. And this time, call on Olmert to pass a the bill of breaking the arms of Children too, those rascals can throw stones better then you can aim your Advanced Weapons.

Your threatening our people again? We offer you peace, land, much more then our citizens want or your average citizen expected and you still want to kill us?, and you wonder why our people don't want to deal with you. Your nothing but a bunch of crybabies that just want to finish off what 'Hitler Started'. Grow up, seriously.

So what you are saying is that the Human Race is not actually developing with time and science, but it is actually stagnant? A massacre of 500,000 people in the 15th Century would not have made much impact back then, but it would be called a catastrophe had it happened in this current day and age, now that we have universal suffrage and media, not to mention value for human life.

You're also demeaning the word "Leader", but then again your Zionist Leaders would never want to take responsibility for those inhuman minions they send to war. Sometimes I think that your "Leaders" (Because I have a doubt in them actually leading you) orders are "Mass Elimination" and every single one of your Proud Upstanding protectors of inhuman lives are acting on their own. This is at least what your Leaders seem to portray after each and every massacre.

You know, I used to condemn Hamas for all its actions, but that was a long time ago. Although I'm neither with Hamas nor with Hezbollah. Both have deviated from the main cause of resistance and protection and into the cause of power lust. You do realize that we have the same right to defend ourselves you have, right? I guess that emoticon you posted there describes how your extremests (I respect the Moderate Jewish People, even if some of them are currently residing in Israel) act when the news of Human Children brutally murdered in the confines of their homes scroll on your Television. Your settlements are built on weak foundations, the blood of human beings.


Xinophobic, the only thing alive in him is his black stoned heart, he is suffering in life before he is sent to your and my God for judgment.



If I said Hitler, the man who massacred 6 million Jews and and millions other non-Jews (Denying the Holocaust is a freedom of Speech, but the Holocaust itself is a fact) was my hero for killing so many Zionists, although unfortunately he took the life of innocent Jews along the way. How would you react? You'd probably call me Anti Semite, although I'm part of the largest of Semitic Races and I don't hate myself as far as I know.

But Hitler is a murderer, and no Murderer may verify his actions. Murder is a crime against Human Beings, everyone who agrees with Murder is a Murderer himself.

Even if he supported and protected your illegal cause, you should consider him a murderer and a criminal. But then again, I can only speak for Pro Humanists and not Anti.

News Flash: Annapolis is a failure, continue the murder of Palestinians in Gaza, Ramallah, Tulkarem and "Heborn" (Al Kahleel). And expect the third Intifada coming soon to a neighborhood near you. And this time, call on Olmert to pass a the bill of breaking the arms of Children too, those rascals can throw stones better then you can aim your Advanced Weapons.


Well said. While I dont agree with everything you say, thats a pretty sensible post.

I don't think, I've never did and never will, that communism was THE worst form of human life in history. I know there were some genuine disasters going on in some areas. But it was not the worst thing possible.

On the other hand, being sent to Siberia's Gulags was really not so wonderful.