Hello everyone am Radunz and am new here, i came in first looking for the MP for RFC and talked to Rhye its already done, but he wanna lauch in a inauguration game so i begin this thread to we organize one, when u post , do it like this, filling this form:


Player: Radunz
Nation: Maya
Time Available: Anytime Weekend

Comments:
when everyone aplied we mark a day and we play, so if u aplied please chekc regulary the forum daily if u can
and who apllies get my msn to easyer contact Dimitricr2@hotmail.com

Player(profile in gamespy): Saladinhotfc
Nation: Mongolia
Time available: Anytime seriously.

Excited about the MP.

Player: Lokolus
Nation: Russia
Time available: not in the morning

Player: Bob III
Nation: Egypt or Spain (depending on start/who other players are)
Time Available: Friday night/Saturday

Player: Dionysos2048
Nation: Rome
Time available: never know for sure.

Name: Rishubhav
Nation: Anyone small (I suck)
Time: Weekdays anytime from 5:30 EST to 10:00, weekends vary

Player: Bob III
Nation: Egypt or Spain (depending on start/who other players are)
Time Available: Friday night/Saturday

we start at 3000 bc, and while the turns pass the players become activated, i mean press alt-tab while wait and when ur time come anyone tell you by msn(i hope everyone add me so we can start a chat with everyone before the game begin)

Name: Rishubhav
Nation: Anyone small (I suck)
Time: Weekdays anytime from 5:30 EST to 10:00, weekends vary

How About Portugal?

Hello everyone am Radunz and am new here, i came in first looking for the MP for RFC and talked to Rhye its already done, but he wanna lauch in a inauguration game so i begin this thread to we organize one, when u post , do it like this, filling this form:


Player: Radunz
Nation: Maya
Time Available: Anytime Weekend

Comments:
when everyone aplied we mark a day and we play, so if u aplied please chekc regulary the forum daily if u can
and who apllies get my msn to easyer contact Dimitricr2@hotmail.com

Player: TheAmerican
Nation: Persia/America
Time Available: Week nights, weekends.

Yeah, name the time and I'll probably be there. Sounds like fun.

Just in case this comes to fruition...

Player: Gyprsn
Nation: Khmer
Time Available: A Friday or Saturday would probably be most convenient (MST timezone)

well here it goes the so far list:
Players Nations
1 Radunz Maya
2 Zhuge_Liang Mongolia
3 Lokolus Russia
4 BoB 3 Egypt or Spain (chose one Bob)
5 Dionysos2048 Rome
6 Rishubhav Portugal
7 TheAmerican Persia/America
8 Gyprsn Khmer

Most prodably time one saturday or firday nigth

MP? Sat or Fri? Who is available, say "here".

Aside urgent issues, I should be available next Saturday. 2PM GMT should be okay for both Europeans and Americans.

Theodorick
Germany
Anytime except for after 6:00 PM Mountain. I'm a hardcore morning person.

????????? How about me?????????????

Pls. tell me how many Hours to be added in your time rhye.

I think I'm GMT+9. Verify this pls.

Name: memdee
Civ: Arabia
Time: Any reasonable time on weekends (GMT+1)

Zhuge_Liang:
Rhye is GMT+1, Manila is GMT+8.

let's wait, I can't tell yet if I will have time ;) (signing on to this thread in any case though)

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I'll take Egypt, now that I have more information. I should be available.

On Saturday I have to test 7:30 to 11:30 AM (MST, GMT -7 I think?). So this may need to be kept in mind? If the game has to take place within this time I guess I'll just have to miss it :/

EDIT: I doubt I can make 2 pm GMT work, a little later however would probably be fine, considering that Khmer doesn't come in until around 600 CE anyway.

I really can't guarantee I'll make it, especially at that time on a Saturday. My relationship wouldn't survive it... Count me out for now.

So next saturday 20th, 2PM is, please check ur windows clokc on the scren corner for more GMT info, u check there ur time like Brazil time is -3 GMT it means that 11 AM i will be there and please fellas dont forget add me in ur Msn menseguer so we can arranje better the game(like non game chat, verifys and pass the MP RFC version), the host will be rhye and the game will be direct ip conection
so here goes the list:
Players Nations
1 Radunz Maya
2 Zhuge_Liang Mongolia
3 Lokolus Russia
4 BoB 3 Egypt
5 Dionysos2048 Rome(prodably not coming)
6 Rishubhav Portugal
7 TheAmerican Persia/America
8 Gyprsn Khmer
9 Rhye Japan(i think)
10 memdee Arabia
11 Theodorick Germany

Ok 11 players thats Very good hope u all, guys could come remenber 20th 2PM GMT

PS: we need another Roman whats is the world without the romans :P

I'll be doing my PFT on saturday morning, so I might arrive later than everybody else. Send me the DL on friday though, and I'll be there. I'll do Persia if I get on earlier, America if I'm late.

I will be late also. I have to study for the big history test tomorrow. Maybe an hour or 2.

Sorry for the wrong typing but the day of 21th, I have that test.

If joining is still possible, I'd like to give India a try.

for your information, I've run into a last minute problem.
I hope I can fix it by the 20th


Ah, and for the civs to use, it's better if we use the ones of the 600AD start:
China, Japan, Vikings.......up to Turkey
So that the wait won't be long.

Nice idea Rhye!

Okay, I'd switch from India to the Vikings then.

Edit: Btw, since some people have reported OOS errors on multiplayer after upgrading to 3.13 - I suggest that each participant tries to take part in a "normal" muliplayer game until Saturday, just to check that it works for him. If it doesn't, then a complete reinstall seems to solve the issue.

We should try to make sure that everything's working fine on our side, so that *if* we run into trouble, we can at least be sure that the trouble is RFC-related, and not some patch-introduced multiplayer instability that Rhye can't do much about.

Aside urgent issues, I should be available next Saturday. 2PM GMT should be okay for both Europeans and Americans.

I don't think I can make it at 2PM GMT. 2PM GMT is 10am for me. Could we do this on sunday or at 6pm GMT saturday?

I don't think I can make it at 2PM GMT. 2PM GMT is 10am for me. Could we do this on sunday or at 6pm GMT saturday?

Not sure but I have school. Night shift that time and after that day, special day for our school because 2 months ago, the electric wires are out and left us with a one week vacation.

By the command of our principal, he ordered classes to be resumed every sat and sun for the next 5 weeks.

Ok then, if we are starting later I'll take.... Netherlands.

Yes, I think I'll stick with America too.

Am Maya, and rhye we keep at 2 am? of 20th?

2 am? That's so early and if I'm starting late, I think I'll take spain a shot.

2AM?

I actually said 2PM.

The date will be confirmed when I fix this last issue. Unfortunately to do that I need to try it in direct IP mode, but got nobody to help now that Whitefire has been kidnapped and the others are vanished.

What do you mean by "Whitefire kidnapped" and "others vanished"?

sorry my bad 2pm and hmm so post when u fix if u can fiz till 20th would be great ^^ we would not have to remark

1 Q: Where are we gonna held the session of MP?

Noob Question: Is there something else I need to download? I think I'm missing something. Maybe.

1: about the MP, still same time show up, call me by msn i give u Rhye Ip and we play, we only not playng if Rhye dont got it fix til 20th, but if dont i tell you guys here

2: Hey Bob yeah that exist a file inded, but need to be fixed (looks like savegames are broken) and Rhye is gona Lauch RFC MP only with a big game so thats why am organizating ^^

What about yahoo? I don't have MSN. Maybe I'll sign up.

1: about the MP, still same time show up, call me by msn i give u Rhye Ip and we play, we only not playng if Rhye dont got it fix til 20th, but if dont i tell you guys here
Why MSN? Not everyone has MSN (and some people specifically don't *want* to have it. ;) )

Suggestion: Just PM the the information to the people who want to participate. This forum has a nice PM feature, and everyone can use it, so there's no need to resort to third party programs imho.

ok if u guys prefer no problem to me i was onlky thinking that would be faster and we could talk and make a good planning from there :P

I don't have MSN, or Yahoo. I only have GT (Google Talk) so either that, email, or the forum messaging system.

It's confirmed, tomorrow at 1:45 PM GMT i'll post the link here.
You should install it as an additional mod named "Rhye's and Fall MP". Of course you must have BTS updated to 3.13

We can now play
- direct IP (after you load the mod, Multiplayer -> Direct IP -> write the IP of the host and Connect)
- lobby (after you load the mod Multiplayer -> Internet Games -> Login. You must register an account if you haven't yet. But it will make chatting easier for those without a messaging program)
Both are working, let me know which one you prefer.

the confirmed players, as far as I know:

starters:
Radunz China
Rhye Japan
Psyringe Vikings
memdee Arabia
-----
late comers:
1-Gyprsn Khmer
2-Theodorick Germany
3-Lokolus Russia
4-BobIII Netherlands
5-Rishubhav Portugal


HINT: Spain and France start quite early, if you don't want to wait....

What do you mean by "Whitefire kidnapped"

yeah, a kind of alien abduction

I should be able to make it
I'll book France then.
Please be nice to me to respect the power of entente ;)

LOL that's a good one Dionysos, although a somewhat serious concern.

I'll take Spain. (Edit: I see Rhye is already in the roster. Cool.)

Ha Chine will rule :D, i prefer lobby we can talk and all other kinds of . .. .. .. ., so all guys need register its easy and fast only need ur email and dont worry about spams, thney will going to trash anyay ^^ till tomorow 1:45 PM GMT

I've made the French UP stronger in MP to compensate this.


starters:
Radunz China
Rhye Japan
Psyringe Vikings
memdee Arabia
-----
late comers:
1-Gyprsn Khmer
2-Jet Spain
3-dionysos2048 France
4-Theodorick Germany
5-Lokolus Russia
6-BobIII Netherlands
7-Rishubhav Portugal

Hey any more space ? Im GMT what time would I need to be on to play as ethiopia ? Rome ? Persia any one ?

england is free

Unless scu98rkr wants it I'd like to play England.

i'll be there! =)

Question: We're doing the 600 AD rather than 3000 BC? If so, it might be best if I take a later Civ considering that Khmer starts considerably early in 600 AD. And that in about 4 hours time a lot can happen. I would prefer to give as little power to an AI controlling my civ as possible...If that is reasonable to say :/

NOTE: If all else fails, I may just not be able to make it :/

fyi, it'll be possible to switch to any AI controlled civ, anytime. There are no strict rules


starters:
Radunz China
Rhye Japan
Psyringe Vikings
memdee Arabia
-----
late comers:
1-Jet Spain
2-dionysos2048 France
3-Úmarth England
4-Theodorick Germany
5-Lokolus Russia
6-BobIII Netherlands
7-Rishubhav Portugal

scu98rkr ?
Gyprsn ?

For the late comers, is there a way to join the game so that you control your civ right from the turn it spawns? That would be helpful for people who want full control over the location of their capital and civics.

Whether or not we get our civs from the very first turn, how will we know when to connect? Maybe that is a good reason to make it a lobby game. We could get there a little early, wait in the lobby, and someone can tell us when to join.

I'll be around at 8:45am tomarrow morning (Eastern time, Daylight savings), downloading and waiting for my civ to come into the game.

I'll aim to make it in time to at least play the Turks. Unless through some stroke of luck I get there early enough to be Khmer, because chances are if I pick up the Khmer after the AI has had control over it for a significant number of years, it will be collapsing and have missed the UHV conditions.

sorry for the lateness (I'm italian)

http://rhye.civfanatics.net/civ4/files/RFCMP_100.zip

Thanks Rhye! Downloading now...

Great stuff, I'll be along in an hour or so to try and catch England's spawn.

sorry for the lateness (I'm italian)

Excused ;)

Downloading...

You aren't even late, it's just 1:00 PM GMT right now. :)

1PM? it's 3PM here, and here is GMT+1

I think he meant 2PM.

Italy is on Daylight Saving Time right now. GMT has no daylight saving time. So at the moment, you (and me in Berlin too) are at GMT +2.

Edit: Here's an online GMT clock (http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_UTC.aspx)

So you're telling me we're an hour early?

Crap, didn't think of that :lol:

I'm in the lobby! =)

Grr, this "Gamespy ID" is the most poorly designed thing I've ever seen.

And yeah, daylight savings. It's GMT+2 in Italy and GMT+1 in the UK right now.

So you're telling me we're an hour early?

Almost, yes. ;) Not that it matters if we're all there. ;)

Btw, I'm in the lobby now too. :)

i'll come back to the lobby in 30 minutes

And yeah, daylight savings. It's GMT+2 in Italy and GMT+1 in the UK right now.

doesn't daylight saving exist in America?

Finally got into the lobby as "Megalomania4554". But now I have a burning passion for Gamespy.

doesn't daylight saving exist in America?
It does.

Yup, we have DST.

Hey guys... I'll be back in 15-30 minutes, I need to do some chores before we start, and Rhye's not ready anyway. =P

Italy is on Daylight Saving Time right now. GMT has no daylight saving time. So at the moment, you (and me in Berlin too) are at GMT +2.

Edit: Here's an online GMT clock (http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_UTC.aspx)

In Italy generally people call what you refer to UTC and GMT is used to indicate British Time. It also makes much more sense to me *shrug*
anyways although I can login on gamespyid.com I can't from the game, keeps saying wrong password >_<

I had the same problem with gamespy, I suggest you just make a new account with a temporary email address (you can use mailinator.com - but you don't actually have to confirm it to play).

Radunz is not coming so we've got China vacant.

Game is up; refresh to see it

It says "could not negotiate with the host's firewall" for me.
My firewall is off.
Any ideas?

finally launching....

onedreamer China
Rhye Japan
Psynge Vikings
Lokolus Arabia

i'll post updates as new civs spawn

ok, be back soon.

Really strange...I can't connect to some peers and some peers cant connect to me.
Windows firewall is disabled, and my router integrated firewall has a DMZ enabled and forwards ports 2033 and 2056 for me.

Any ideas?

switching to direct ip

connect to
62.123.115.31

the khmer have spawned i think

I cant reconnect

same here :/
first I was at "finished" for too much time, terminated and restarted Civ, now it says "connected to peer" forever (I already connected to Lokolus and Psyringe)

spain is available

I guess Arabia will do without me, or make me know if I can join.

Ok... not sure what to do now. I'm going to go help mow, will be back later

bob, jet and pyrsige,
get this file
http://rhye.civfanatics.net/cap3DLL.zip
and put it on \assets folder inside the MP mod


then reconnect

Okay. Downloading ...

I downloaded it but cannot get in. Just finished reading my books anyway.

It says it's password protected

Rhye has gone to dinner, he said he'd be back in about 15 minutes.

Ok. I'll need a password or something to unzip this new thing...

Odd, I didn't. Are you sure the download worked correctly?

Mine too. What's the password?????

(Solved my own problem) Okay, the password is............ nothing. You need to download that MP like 31.2 MB.

Okay, logged in, but why does it takes FOREVER TO CONNECT TO PEER?????

what is password protected? The game or the zip?

Rhye, is this MP loads like forever?

To me, yes.

was it you "sade" ?

I guess I get left out then.

bob, please try to enter with the new dll

I can't, there's already 4 of you. I don't get any civ choices, so I can't enter.

Sorry rhye, cannot attend. My dormitory mates are sleeping.

really?
Then the cap is working.

anyway we're in 3 again, but switching host.i'll post here the new IP asap

Ok, I'll try to be around, but I may need to do more yardwork.

EDIT: I can do the yardwork tomarrow, so I'll be available 'til about 4:15-4:30,

Don't post my IP please, but I'll PM it to you Bob.

Ok. =) Thanks.

That said, I'm not sure it's working.... :hmm:
I did disable my firewall.

What about me?

Timing out...

I can't seem to connect to you. Can ou PM me the IP too, incase I didn't write it down correctly? (unlikely imho, but possible).

Lokulus you can actually play in my place.

Took forever to load the thread :P But I'm here now, how's it going?

What? Rhye? NOOOOO!!!!

Anyway, it's not working for me.

I just restarted Civ, but if it doesn't work now...

Jet, can you try to host the game at Gamespy if direct IP doesn't work? (Does anybody now whether this is possible or not?)

I will see if I can do that now.

Still not working.

we shoudl retry in the lobby then

Well, it looks like I'm hosting it in the lobby now...

Lokulus you can actually play in my place.

I dont have the IP

Never mind, I dont think Ill play

I still can't see your game in the lobby Psy, I think I'm going to give up now. Nice playing with you guys!

Sorry, I don't have enough time to play anymore. Let me know if you can do it another time, I've got to go. Bye!

well thank you everyone.

Do you still want the new forum area opened?

Missed it, nuts.

If the scenario works, I'm willing to host a game for those of us who missed it.

Okay, so I guess we'll call it a day and try at another time. Here's my personal summary:

- Playing with up to 4 players went well.
- However, any player with a slow connection slows down gameplay for all others
- Playing with more than 4 players led to a lot of lag, but it's unclear whether this is due to the number of players alone, or due to the fact that one of those players was had a very slow connection.
- Some players had different files from the others (e.g., Bhruic's patch installed). It is unclear whether this played a role in bringing us out of sync.
- We had one player who couldn't connect over Gamespy, and who couldn't have others connect to him over direct IP, although his firewalls were switched off and/or properly configured to his best knowledge.

I suggest to retry the experiment in a more controlled setting, to make it easier to find what's causing problems. For example: Host a game with only people who have a good connection (to rule out one slow player as the source of problems), and who have identical files (to rule out modded files as a possible source of problems), then start with 4 players, and add others as long as speed seems decent. Then report up to how many players you could go.

Another thing that might be worth trying is to play the game for a number of turns with some players, and then restart and play the same game with the same number of players, but all Independents and AIs removed. This could be a way to test whether RFC simply has to much going on to make it viable for more players at once.

I also asked in the Gamespy lobby which experiences people had with huge maps in multiplayer. I was told that one shouldn't try with more than 7 players because of the expected lag.

Alternatives to play with more players might be PbeM or LAN play, but this (again) would have to be tested.

According to several posts in the multiplayer forum, I am not alone with my problem of "connecting to peer..." forever.
It seems to be a general civ4 problem, apparently worsened by the last patch, and it has nothing to do with firewall configuration. Or, to be more exact, if the firewall is configured correctly, the problem still exists for quite a lot of users.

At least it doesn't seem like it's a RFC-related problem.

edit: Also, fyi, it seems that the problem rarely is on the side of the user encountering those problems, but rather caused by incorret firewall/router configuration of other users (port 2056 MUST be forwarded/opened for every player in order to cause no problems for other users). Unfortunately, I can't give you any guarantee on that due to lack of testing :(

Good summary. Another remark: at my computer, even with 4 players the lag was somewhat difficult to play with, and that was in the medieval era with few units and no war. I suspect it would be more difficult in later eras, unfortunately.

double post

Is it possible for anyone else to get a copy of the MP? I just want to play with my roommate and judging from your description, a two player game wouldn't be too hard to manage.

sorry guys couldn be there, started the thread and dont participated xD , work its work ^^ well anyway, anyone want mark a new date for the game?

- We had one player who couldn't connect over Gamespy, and who couldn't have others connect to him over direct IP, although his firewalls were switched off and/or properly configured to his best knowledge.

There is a huge amount of factors that involve internet connections, it's not just the two endpoints to take into consideration.

I also asked in the Gamespy lobby which experiences people had with huge maps in multiplayer. I was told that one shouldn't try with more than 7 players because of the expected lag.

I would also take into consideration the physical location of players.

Alternatives to play with more players might be PbeM or LAN play, but this (again) would have to be tested.

Well, LAN is no different from DirectIP... the main difference though is that you can indeed look at the end points here, unless some unlikely problems with cabling and switches.

According to several posts in the multiplayer forum, I am not alone with my problem of "connecting to peer..." forever.
It seems to be a general civ4 problem, apparently worsened by the last patch, and it has nothing to do with firewall configuration. Or, to be more exact, if the firewall is configured correctly, the problem still exists for quite a lot of users.

At least it doesn't seem like it's a RFC-related problem.

edit: Also, fyi, it seems that the problem rarely is on the side of the user encountering those problems, but rather caused by incorret firewall/router configuration of other users (port 2056 MUST be forwarded/opened for every player in order to cause no problems for other users). Unfortunately, I can't give you any guarantee on that due to lack of testing :(

2056 is a port that must be opened on the host end, but where are its replies sent ? Are we sure this port is used for both the source and destination address ? For example when you contact a web site you call the server on port 80 but as a source port on which the webserver will answer you, you send a random port number of the highest range. I could connect to Psyringe and since he doesn't know my IP he did not do anything to allow me rather than you, so the problem must indeed be on your side, and not necessarily your router, it could be the routing between your 2 ISPs.

I have forwarded the request to open a new subforum for MP.
In there you will have freedom to arrange any game you want (you're free here as well, for now!)

For now, this is the most recent version.
Every time I post one, you should delete the old (MP!) one you've gt already installed
http://rhye.civfanatics.net/civ4/files/RFCMP_101.zip

Make sure you all read the readme, it's important

2056 is a port that must be opened on the host end, but where are its replies sent ? Are we sure this port is used for both the source and destination address ?

According to this thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=153626), yes.

I'm up to play right now, anyone else ?

According to this thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=153626), yes.

Memdee, did you open the UDP or TCP port ?
"Civilization IV will have problems negotiating through 2 levels of network address translation", is your public IP on the router the same you have when you navigate outside your ISP ? (check www.ripe.net on the top right to see your IP).

I opened up both TCP and UDP.

And yes, it sure is the same IP.

Oh, and my connection did work for some of you guys yesterday - I had no problems connecting to you, for example.

I'm pretty sure it's the routing between the 2 ISPs, for example a double NAT on one side or both could create problems depending on the configuration of the ISPs border routers. In my case if I had a router I would not have the same IP outside my ISP because it further NATs my IP.
Btw, shall we meet in the lobby ? ;)

we have an ongoing game on GameSpy if anyone is interested, started in 800 BC

Wait............ I hosted a game like 12 people and there's a lag just in the modern age. It's not just like more than 4 Players.

@onedreamer

No thanks, for me because my history teacher wasn't satisfied with the score that my classmates have and also, I have assignments like in all aspects of the subjects.

Hope it will be well.

Wait............ I hosted a game like 12 people and there's a lag just in the modern age. It's not just like more than 4 Players.


really? On Gamespy?

we have an ongoing game on GameSpy if anyone is interested, started in 800 BC


Just tried to enter and could't as all 4 slots are taken. The cap definitely works :goodjob:

Please later report here if you experienced any problem

So there's definitely a problem with over four players then? Shame.

I still haven't played a proper game yet, so if anybody wants to get one started please post here.

as we'got this new forum, you're all free to open a new thread for your games.

one slot free if you're interested, anno domini 1200

Wow, that was an intense game.

I was Japan, having the UHV requirement to be 1st in score in 1500, and I missed it by 15 points against Jet (Carthage).
That's when we called it a day and decided Jet had won the match :)

Btw, we had Scientific Method in 1450, and I believe Jet had Rifling, too...

did you have problems?

All in all, I think we had three OOS-errors, and we discovered that when someone tries to reconnect, the others should not choose "wait for player" because that will cause the reconnecting player not to be able to chose a civ and therefore get stuck in the process of reconnecting.

But, apart from that, everything went well, as far as I remember.

edit: And, personally, I love the "simplified" plague mechanics :P

edit2: One more thing: onedreamer switched to Turkey when they spawned, and I think what he said was that he didnt have any gunpowder units. Intended?

We did have occasional intermittent OOSes from different people, but for the most part they could reconnect and fix it. It was generally playable.

Edit: ha! I played on a bit by myself, and Rome finally collapsed just now (1555).

Turkey? Wasn't intended. Probably AI disbanded them before the switch

Rhye, to tell you, I hosted it on Gamespy. I had just hosted a game of 14 players(in BTS, not in your mod) last night and it worked well I tell you!

Rhye, to tell you, I hosted it on Gamespy. I had just hosted a game of 14 players(in BTS, not in your mod) last night and it worked well I tell you!

Ah, not the mod.
yeah of course.
But here the scale of the world and the complexity of the code is much bigger. We've proved it.
4 isn't the best number for performance (would be 2) but is still playable and allows a 2v2

I have seen most earth games launch with 12-14 (some with with 18). The host just has to be a rock solid host with a great system.

I want to try playing a game on the new RFC MP.

I wouldnt doubt that we should be able to get at least 10 players to play the mod without large amounts of lag (AS LONG AS EVERYONE CLOSED PROGRAMS AND DIDNT ALT-TAB). The same rules that we use for earth games should apply when playing this mod in mp.

However, I wont play direct IP games because i have seen way to many crash because for any reason host would have to rejoin the game will crash (nothing worse then wasting 8 hours of work because host cant rejoin and rehost wont work).

rehost WOULD work. If the "host" crashes anyone can save and rehost, or you can continue anyways, this because direct IP doesn't work as a client-server application.

btw, anybody up for a game today? as in...now? :)

I might be around... Would want the full 4.

I got a game open, join if you feel like it...

Hmm, you're not in the lobby now, did you give up?

I did. Sorry :crazyeye:

Sooo...someone want to give it a try today?
Thinking about RFC MP while reading the "is this forum needed"-discussion somehow made me wanna play :crazyeye:

If someone's interested, gimme a whirl via pm, icq (163885317) or post here.