I would really like a 1730 Start, and this is for two reasons.

1. So that I can actually CHOOSE America right from the RFC Main Menu (instead of having to switch to them mid-game).
2. So I can play as civs like Canada, Mexico, Australia, etc.

Ummmmmm.......... Don't you think this is too late and besides, the european nations will now have colonies in the new world so thing would get worser but it's better if your playing the colonizers.

download the unlocked wbs files (the link is sticky in this forum) and you'll be able to choose the us for both 3000 and 600 starts...

yeah but 3000 bc is such a long time to wait......... trying 600 ad is better but 25 mins? Try playing other games like Dynasty Warriors in PSP, etc.

A 1492 save would be nice. Giving the Euro powers a few galleons with settlers and units.

A 1730 start means that rhye will emphasize on the events and the colonies. Spanish colonies are starting to break up in the caribs, you know.

I'm not sure if this would really be a good idea, and no new civs are being added as far as I know. (all though, you wouldn't need Byzantines/Celts in this start, so there's an extra slot)

This could be an interesting idea/scenario. It would be great for multiplayer. You could give all civilizations their historical borders up to 1730 and then when 1776 arrives colonies start breaking off, the United States being the first one. The United States could be a vassal of the United Kingdom until 1776, allowing them to expand and prepare for the revolution. The colonial powers would use the 1730-1776 period to build up forces and prepare to reclaim/defend their colonies from internal and external enemies.

I think it would be fun, and wouldn't require much modding. Just knowledge of what the world looked like in 1730, and a few lines of code to make the Americans break off at the year 1776.

I should think that anyone could make this in Worldbuilder.

I guess you wouldn't be able to set stability, though, so all civs would start out with default stability.

This could be an interesting idea/scenario. It would be great for multiplayer. You could give all civilizations their historical borders up to 1730 and then when 1776 arrives colonies start breaking off, the United States being the first one. The United States could be a vassal of the United Kingdom until 1776, allowing them to expand and prepare for the revolution. The colonial powers would use the 1730-1776 period to build up forces and prepare to reclaim/defend their colonies from internal and external enemies.

the problem is the player cant be a vassal to the ai, so you wouldnt be able to play the us...

the problem is the player cant be a vassal to the ai, so you wouldnt be able to play the us...

This can be fixed somehow, I'd hope.

Ya, all we can do now is hope...............

It's a great idea ! with some cosmetic changes the Aztecs becomes Mexico, the Khmer becomes Thailand, Vikings becomes Sweden or Denmark

Eventually with someone as skilled as rhye you could imagine to introduce some new civs in place of Carthage, Mongolia, Inca, Maya, Mali and Ethiopia as South Africa, Brazil, Argentina (and/or Great Columbia ?), Canada, Australia,...

It would need a lot of changes but, jeez it would be great

some kind of Rhye's Rise of Civilizations :)

I got pretty far along with with a 1730ish scenario (in that I felt I had all the cities I felt were warranted), but had no desire to get into balancing culture, population, buildings, units, etc. etc. Having much of the world settled requires a lot of tinkering.

It also occurred to me that only America would be capable of a UHV.
I think I also used Inca as Brazil, and Khmer as Indonessia, so they both would probably collapse fairly quickly without their core areas.

It's a great idea ! with some cosmetic changes the Aztecs becomes Mexico, the Khmer becomes Thailand, Vikings becomes Sweden or Denmark

Eventually with someone as skilled as rhye you could imagine to introduce some new civs in place of Carthage, Mongolia, Inca, Maya, Mali and Ethiopia as South Africa, Brazil, Argentina (and/or Great Columbia ?), Canada, Australia,...

It would need a lot of changes but, jeez it would be great

some kind of Rhye's Rise of Civilizations :)

I was thinking that instead of having the colonial powers having absolute control of all its colonies, their colonies could be represented as vassals. A few nations that come to mind would be the Aztecs (Mexicans?,) Egyptians, and Arabs. They'd be vassals and this would make a larger empire's regions more difficult to control. Esspecially the Ottoman empire, who would end up controling several vassals from the get go.

You could also enable the BTS ability to give colonies independence, total or minimal. For example, England could give her Canadian cities independence. They'd be represented by an English leaderhead w/ a Canadian name and the name Canada. Names could be dependant on... region.

I was also thinking a new victory condition or UHV. Vassals would work to undermine their master's domination of their homeland and cause them to collapse, achieving a "vassal victory," and masters would work to aquire more vassals in a uniqe domination type victory.

Now that's what I call a plan!

I was thinking that instead of having the colonial powers having absolute control of all its colonies, their colonies could be represented as vassals. A few nations that come to mind would be the Aztecs (Mexicans?,) Egyptians, and Arabs. They'd be vassals and this would make a larger empire's regions more difficult to control. Esspecially the Ottoman empire, who would end up controling several vassals from the get go.

You could also enable the BTS ability to give colonies independence, total or minimal. For example, England could give her Canadian cities independence. They'd be represented by an English leaderhead w/ a Canadian name and the name Canada. Names could be dependant on... region.

I was also thinking a new victory condition or UHV. Vassals would work to undermine their master's domination of their homeland and cause them to collapse, achieving a "vassal victory," and masters would work to aquire more vassals in a uniqe domination type victory.


In a perfect world where this idea would be under construction you must remember that you can't have all civs actived on the map, it would be something like 24 civs + independants, it would be unplayable. that's one of the richest thing with RFC: civs appears, civs disappears and let their place to another one.

In fact I imagine something like an empty Africa with just a dutch city in S-Afr and one or two portuguese city on east coast, a spanish-portuguese south america with only mexico, Lima, Caracas or Carthagena and Rio and Pernambuco then 2 or 3 english cities in North Am. and New Orleans, maybe Quebec. A huge Ottoman Empire from Athens to Baghdad, Algier to Dar-es-Salaam, ready to implose between Egypt, Iran(persian), Iraq (mesopotamia), Arabia maybe Algeria (cathage) and Greece. an Independant North-india with portuguese and english colonies in the South, a dutch Batavia in Indonesia + spanish Manilla in Philippines, a ready-to-be-huge Russia, etc...
A few civs at the beginning but a lot of possible rising civs

With the addition of my country's capital? NICE!

In a perfect world where this idea would be under construction you must remember that you can't have all civs actived on the map, it would be something like 24 civs + independants, it would be unplayable. that's one of the richest thing with RFC: civs appears, civs disappears and let their place to another one.

In fact I imagine something like an empty Africa with just a dutch city in S-Afr and one or two portuguese city on east coast, a spanish-portuguese south america with only mexico, Lima, Caracas or Carthagena and Rio and Pernambuco then 2 or 3 english cities in North Am. and New Orleans, maybe Quebec. A huge Ottoman Empire from Athens to Baghdad, Algier to Dar-es-Salaam, ready to implose between Egypt, Iran(persian), Iraq (mesopotamia), Arabia maybe Algeria (cathage) and Greece. an Independant North-india with portuguese and english colonies in the South, a dutch Batavia in Indonesia + spanish Manilla in Philippines, a ready-to-be-huge Russia, etc...
A few civs at the beginning but a lot of possible rising civs

I never intended for all civilizations to be activated in the beginning, but you raise an interesting point and have some good ideas. The 18th century was a turning point of many civilization, and in many ways it was an emergance into the modern world we know today. It would be excellent to be able to simulate this on Rhye's. Perhaps a 2001 or 2007 scenario could be done aswell?

I would also expect to have Rome as Italy, or even Holy Rome included in as Vatican City (would be fun, but probably unworkable) and as I've said before, I'd like to see Idrael pop in later, maybe after the fall of the Ottomans?

New CIV's will be born from time to time.

Just a question : Is there someone with python skills interested in such project? otherwise it's just brain masturbation

Ya, if nobody is gonna put this idea in reality, then, it's just all imagination.