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Hitti-Litti
Oct 18, 2007, 09:43 AM
I want to know what has been the bloodiest civil war so far percentually? I mean, which civil war has killed most people counted in percents of the population that time.

I was thinking of this, because I heard on our history class that Finnish civil war was one of the bloodiest so far, killing about 1% of Finns(about 36,000).

Steph
Oct 18, 2007, 09:50 AM
Probably the human civil war, that sarted when homo sapiens picked up a stone, and is still raging.

I think the American Civil War is quite bloody:

Based on 1860 census figures, 8% of all white males aged 13 to 43 died in the war, including 6% in the North and an extraordinary 18% in the South.[8]

Tank_Guy#3
Oct 18, 2007, 09:51 AM
I want to know what has been the bloodiest civil war so far percentually? I mean, which civil war has killed most people counted in percents of the population that time.

I was thinking of this, because I heard on our history class that Finnish civil war was one of the bloodiest so far, killing about 1% of Finns(about 36,000).

I don't know how the bloodiness factor is ranked or rated, but I know 36,000 is the number dead after a battle in the US Civil War. I grant you it was "line'em up, knock'em down" (Napoleanic Style) warfare, but still.

Here's a Wiki link, but according to my calculation there were about 618,000 killed (total dead).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_civil_war

Hitti-Litti
Oct 18, 2007, 10:01 AM
^^

But how many percent of US people did die in American Civil War approximately?

Atticus
Oct 18, 2007, 10:36 AM
Tai Ping-rebellion in 19th century China took at least 20 million lives, more than in WW1. In Ruanda died about million of about ten million, whole different thing is if you want to count it as a civil war.

Steph
Oct 18, 2007, 01:16 PM
^^
But how many percent of US people did die in American Civil War approximately?
Why don't you read my post?

Hitti-Litti
Oct 18, 2007, 02:27 PM
:blush: Sorry, missed the last line of your post. :blush:

So I give you this extraordinary opportunity: you may :splat: me in your next post!

Japanrocks12
Oct 18, 2007, 10:41 PM
Though strictly-speaking not a civil war, the Thirty Years War did kill like, 5-8 million people.

Damnyankee
Oct 19, 2007, 02:19 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_civil_wars

Have at em cowboy.

sydhe
Oct 19, 2007, 04:25 PM
I've seen very high estimates for the Anarchy (the civil war between Matilda and Stephen), up to a quarter of the population of England. A lot of it was lords building castles and fighting each other, and general lawlessness, rather than actual battles between the principals.

EconomistBR
Oct 19, 2007, 04:32 PM
Why don't you read my post?

But your figures are for white males aged 13 to 43.
It would be interesting to know 600k divided by X

X= US pop. in 1865

sourboy
Oct 19, 2007, 05:35 PM
Not to mention many soldiers in the north were freed blacks... it wasn't whites only..

sourboy
Oct 19, 2007, 05:37 PM
But your figures are for white males aged 13 to 43.
It would be interesting to know 600k divided by X

X= US pop. in 1865

970,000 or 3% of the population. 600k were white.

taillesskangaru
Oct 19, 2007, 07:47 PM
In terms of lives lost, the Taiping Rebellion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion), during the final years of the Qing Dynasty in China. As Atticus said, it killed about 20 million people. (also one of the oddest civil wars ever fought - the rebels were led by the younger brother of Jesus)

In the 20th century the Korean War killed about 3 million people (if you count that as a civil war).

mitsho
Oct 20, 2007, 06:52 AM
I don't know, but the UNbloodiest must have been the Swiss Civil War. With a length of 20 days and around - I don't know - at most 50 deaths... ;-)

TheLastOne36
Oct 20, 2007, 07:16 AM
Spanish civil war maybe?

sourboy
Oct 20, 2007, 10:32 AM
In terms of lives lost, the Taiping Rebellion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion), during the final years of the Qing Dynasty in China. As Atticus said, it killed about 20 million people. (also one of the oddest civil wars ever fought - the rebels were led by the younger brother of Jesus)

In the 20th century the Korean War killed about 3 million people (if you count that as a civil war).

Jesus? Brother? Link.......

The Yankee
Oct 20, 2007, 01:12 PM
Jesus? Brother? Link.......

Hong Xiuquan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Xiuquan)

ohcrapitsnico
Oct 20, 2007, 02:46 PM
Yeah I would say any of the numerous chinese rebellions/civil wars particularly in the past 2 centuries.

sourboy
Oct 20, 2007, 03:23 PM
Hong Xiuquan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Xiuquan)

lol, ok, so he's either 1) insane, 2) manipulative, 3) abducted by aliens.

civverguy
Oct 20, 2007, 04:34 PM
The human civil war. "All wars are civil wars because all men are brothers" Not sure who said that.

Cheezy the Wiz
Oct 20, 2007, 04:46 PM
I wonder what the percent is if you include executions during the French Revolution?

taillesskangaru
Oct 20, 2007, 09:13 PM
I wonder what the percent is if you include executions during the French Revolution?

5% IIRC

lol, ok, so he's either 1) insane, 2) manipulative, 3) abducted by aliens.

Hong originally wanted to be a scholar and work in the government, but failed the exams. He became disillusioned and have a nervous breakdown, then dreamt a man in heaven (assumed to be God) told him to rid China of all evil (assumed to be the Qing Dynasty). It was a badly-translated Christian missionary pamphlet that finally did it - the character for "God" as written on the pamphlet was the same character in Hong's name, so Hong came to the conclusion that he was a God and the younger brother of Jesus. The Taiping eventually captured Nanjing and almost captured Beijing but the Qing forces drove them back. When the Qing captured Nanjing they razed the city and all the Taiping rebels (including Hong) committed suicide. Hong's teenage son escaped but was caught and executed.

sydhe
Oct 20, 2007, 10:27 PM
Since we're talking percentages, the legendary battle of Cain and Abel resulted in the death of 1/3 of the males on Earth at the time.

The early history of Pitcairn Island resulted in the death of all but one of the mutineers, but some of those were probably natural.

cybrxkhan
Oct 24, 2007, 07:28 PM
the Three Kingdoms was pretty bloody too, or at leaset according to Wikipedia, it was so bloody that the number of millions of dead was only beaten in history by World War II.

but nevertheless, it was still a pretty deadly civil war - millions and millions definitely died.

Hitti-Litti
Oct 25, 2007, 06:13 AM
Since we're talking percentages, the legendary battle of Cain and Abel resulted in the death of 1/3 of the males on Earth at the time.

:rotfl:

Quote of the day IMO.

RedRalph
Oct 25, 2007, 07:43 AM
Russian civil war had about 8m death AFAIK

cybrxkhan
Oct 25, 2007, 01:49 PM
sorry, my bad, it wasn't the Three Kingdoms according to Wikipedia, i must've been a little slêpy when i wrote it.

the actual costliest civil war, according to Wikipedia, i think, is the rebellion of An Lushan during the 700s, at around 35 or 36 million dead.

heres a link to the Wiki page of listing most costliest wars in history:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_disasters_by_death_toll#Wars_and_ armed_conflicts

taillesskangaru
Oct 26, 2007, 01:30 AM
^ From the wiki

1. An Lushan Rebellion (China, 8th century, 33,000,000 - 36,000,000 dead)
2. Taiping Rebellion (China, 19th century, 20,000,000 - 30,000,000 dead)
3. Russian Civil War (Russia, 20th century, 5,000,000 - 9,000,000 dead)
4. Yellow Turban Rebellion (China, 2nd century, 3,000,000 - 7,000,000 dead)
5. Korean War (Korea, 20th century, 2,500,000 - 3,500,000 dead)
6. Vietnam War (Vietnam, 20th century, 2,495,000 - 5,020,000 dead)
7. French Wars of Religion (France, 16th century, 2,000,000 - 4,000,000 dead)
8. Afghan Civil War (Afghanistan, 20th century, 1,500,000 - 2,000,000 dead)
9. Chinese Civil War (China, 20th century, 1,300,000 - 6,100,000 dead)
10. Second Sudanese Civil War (Sudan, 20th century, 1,000,000 dead)

Steph
Oct 26, 2007, 02:41 AM
Yes, but the question was how many death relatively to the population.

Bugfatty300
Oct 26, 2007, 01:14 PM
Cambodian civil war and the purge afterwards. Wasn't it like 30% of the population?

Vince-G
Oct 26, 2007, 02:28 PM
The Russian Civil War weighs in at about 9% off Wikipedia's figure of 13 million civilian deaths.

Arwon
Nov 12, 2007, 01:57 PM
I nominate the Congo civil war (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Congo_War) but I haven't figured out the percentages.

Mowque
Nov 12, 2007, 02:10 PM
so far, in this thread, the highest precent is 9% for the Russian Civil war.........right?

Hawe Hawe
Nov 15, 2007, 03:31 AM
I would add the Thirty Years War 1618-1648 killing almost a third of the population in the german states. It is debatable whether it is a real Civil War because it was fought between different independent states and involved more and more non german states and countries (Bohemia/todays Czech republic, Netherlands, Spain, Denmark, Sweden, France) later. But main intial reasons were conflicts within the german Holy Roman/Habsburg Empire. Religious conflicts between ctholic and protestant regions and antagonism between a decentralized feudalism and the centralized Habsburg monarchy being the most important.

ohcrapitsnico
Nov 15, 2007, 09:56 PM
Yes, but the question was how many death relatively to the population.

Then its got to be the Pol pot thing.

Godwynn
Nov 18, 2007, 11:55 PM
Spanish civil war maybe?

Possibly if you add all of them up. I think there were around nine Spanish Civil Wars throughout history.