Theodorick
Oct 25, 2007, 09:38 PM
Has anyone ever had this happen before? I've had it happen to me twice, when I thought it was impossible.
The first was when I spawned as America. I eventually started getting maps of Europe in the early 1800's--a war ruined my chances of this happening earlier. I saw to my surprise Byzantium has only lost part of Anatolia and the holy land to Turkey, and all of Egypt to the Egyptian respawn, and other than that it was still powerful and intact. I at first thought the maps were old, so I peeked into world builder. Byzantium was still perfectly able to defend itself, with a large army in its capitol, and an advanced enough tech to keep up with Europe; it even had the Shwedagon Pagoda, Spiral thing--forgot how to spell it--and Notre dame! All in Constantinople of course.
I thought this was pretty unusual. I saw Byzantium frigates exploring the world, and they had a rather highly developed northern Africa left to them. When the year 1900 came around, they were STILL around. Eventually they collapsed when I went for my UHV, and started going to war with them to get the oil in northern africa in the 1920's. I conquered all of their territory there, and they still managed to live into the 1940's, until Europe FINALLY got to them. They even had infantry before they finally collapsed.
I found this really unusual, so I explored the game to figure out what events lead to Byzantium being a world power right into the 20th century. I figured out that early on, Europe itself plunged into a massive war. Spain and France went to war with each other, and Germany went to war with Russia. Another war broke out later on that was just as big, with England and Scandinavia involved too. These total European wars obviously kept Europe occupied, so all of Europe ignored the Byzantiums--though I did see a few Dutch troops attacking them now and then. Also England collapsed in 1300 AD, and then started up again in 1500 AD; not sure if this did anything, but it might of. As for in the middle east, Saladin did his usual turtling and did nothing much, and when Turkey spawned, it went on a military conquest to the east, even taking Delhi, but completely ignored the west. So it seems Byzantium was left pretty much to itself until the 20th century.
This happened a SECOND time with me when I played as China. But Byzantium collapsed in the late 19th century this time. And it happened due to the same reasons: everyone was too busy with something else to care about the large empire sitting in the middle of the world.
Anyone else have these unusual instances where the Byzantiums just seem to go on and on?
The first was when I spawned as America. I eventually started getting maps of Europe in the early 1800's--a war ruined my chances of this happening earlier. I saw to my surprise Byzantium has only lost part of Anatolia and the holy land to Turkey, and all of Egypt to the Egyptian respawn, and other than that it was still powerful and intact. I at first thought the maps were old, so I peeked into world builder. Byzantium was still perfectly able to defend itself, with a large army in its capitol, and an advanced enough tech to keep up with Europe; it even had the Shwedagon Pagoda, Spiral thing--forgot how to spell it--and Notre dame! All in Constantinople of course.
I thought this was pretty unusual. I saw Byzantium frigates exploring the world, and they had a rather highly developed northern Africa left to them. When the year 1900 came around, they were STILL around. Eventually they collapsed when I went for my UHV, and started going to war with them to get the oil in northern africa in the 1920's. I conquered all of their territory there, and they still managed to live into the 1940's, until Europe FINALLY got to them. They even had infantry before they finally collapsed.
I found this really unusual, so I explored the game to figure out what events lead to Byzantium being a world power right into the 20th century. I figured out that early on, Europe itself plunged into a massive war. Spain and France went to war with each other, and Germany went to war with Russia. Another war broke out later on that was just as big, with England and Scandinavia involved too. These total European wars obviously kept Europe occupied, so all of Europe ignored the Byzantiums--though I did see a few Dutch troops attacking them now and then. Also England collapsed in 1300 AD, and then started up again in 1500 AD; not sure if this did anything, but it might of. As for in the middle east, Saladin did his usual turtling and did nothing much, and when Turkey spawned, it went on a military conquest to the east, even taking Delhi, but completely ignored the west. So it seems Byzantium was left pretty much to itself until the 20th century.
This happened a SECOND time with me when I played as China. But Byzantium collapsed in the late 19th century this time. And it happened due to the same reasons: everyone was too busy with something else to care about the large empire sitting in the middle of the world.
Anyone else have these unusual instances where the Byzantiums just seem to go on and on?