Cant add a poll as there are 34 civs, but id like to learn pplz fav citybuilders. Discuss!

The pedia says Khemer, but im not so sure..

defining "citybuilding" may help us make the choice ;)

Citybuilding- traits, UUs, and UBs, that make the fastest growing, building, training, and healthiest, happiest cities. Also good for empire building

Mehmed of the Ottoman empire.

Agree, Mehmed is great!

Totally depends on many factors (as usual)

Try Noble Continents- with normal speed

Well, still it depends on style. But I prefer an organized leader to expand real quick, and then either Creative to glue it togehter (Zara Yaqob) or Expansive to pop my Granaries and Workers Faster (Mehemed). Sumerians and HRE are very potent with their UB's.
Just ended a game with Zara Yaqob with Sumeria vs Gandhi on Monarch (small - big lake). Ended up with 2X his points. Lowering City maintainance is the key to all expansion.

I'll have to add Catherine to the list. So far the ancient and classical eras there is no match for the quicker settlers and the fastest grabbing of land she provides. Being able to place more cities sooner than your rivals (imperialistic), and furthermore in better locations as no forced placement to take that desperately needed resource is necessary (creative).

You've got to look at things throughout the course of history to decide something like that. An expansive leader or a building that give +2 health is great in the middle but at the start and at the end health isn't a big deal for most cities on Noble. The same can be said for happiness.

The +1 food from the Khmer UB is nice but once again not so hot towards the end. Look up Sid's Sushi for a food-mongering good time.

The Zulu and HRE both have very low maintenance which is good for city building and there is some synergy there as well. Carthage has some good trading ability with Hannibal and gets an extra trade route from its UB to boot.

Joao is amazing as he gets fast settlers, fast workers and his UB is a great trade boost. The again Willem van Oranje with the Dykes can make coastal and island cities amazing.

Roosevelt might be the best though - he gets some good quick buildings, the mall has some serious buffs attached to it and on a large continent those wonders he'll crank out (which is doable on noble) will give all your cities nice boosts.

Then again it is all opinion and play style :king:

You've got to look at things throughout the course of history to decide something like that. An expansive leader or a building that give +2 health is great in the middle but at the start and at the end health isn't a big deal for most cities on Noble. The same can be said for happiness.



Health can be and usually is a major factor beginning, middle, and end on Emperor'ish difficulties. BTS in particular made health even more of a limiting factor than before, and you *will* feel the burn of health problems on higher BTS difficulties.

Noble is... Well, more or less the beginner difficulty for those with some idea how to play Civ, but no Civ IV experience. Expansion - and mass expansion at that - should be easy on Nobel once you've learned the ropes. I'd say that several levels higher than Noble should be the test of which is the best city building leader in the game... And expansive is without a doubt one of the top traits for this, with its combination of fast workers (huge early benefit for city/empire growth), several good cheap buildings, and +2 health (huge benefit all game on higher difficulties where you aren't given a bunch of free health).

Depends what you mean by citybuilding (I'm still a little confused by your explanation :p ).

If it's about getting a city from zero to productive in the shortest possible time (e.g. producing more commerce than it costs, or in a position to start usefully cranking out military) then Khmer would probably be my pick. There is nothing like Expansive for getting a new city set up quickly, and Creative saves building a monument, lets you work more prime tiles more quickly, lets you grab more land and be freer with placement. Plus cheap libraries are nice too.
Khmer are definitely the best for early-game REX (particularly pre-CoL) without completely tanking your economy (and expansive is really almost as good as imperialistic at pumping out masses of settlers quickly too), and the extra food from the Baray is a bigger bonus than you might think.
Zulu are probably second best, with Expansive and the cheap-as-chips ikhanda for reducing maintenance, plus Impis for "acquiring" a whole load of extra workers (and territory to expand your cities into, of course :D). The Zulu aren't about taking that next step and turning them all into fancy supercities, though, so they probably don't count.

This is my second Joao post today. I've never played as him, but the AI fills up space really fast with him and never loses out on techs. It's gotten to where if I see him I build a couple cities and then just start preparing an army because I just let him build my cities for me. I usually like his city names better anyway.