We've got the football thread, now it's time to talk about basketball.

UNC is ranked #1 in the country, as they should be. :mischief:

Gardner-Webb beats Kentucky. Is G-W that goodor is Kentucky a falling program, and faster than we thought?

Is UNC's title hopes this year guranteed, and if not, who will challenge them?

We've got the football thread, now it's time to talk about basketball.

UNC is ranked #1 in the country, as they should be. :mischief:

Gardner-Webb beats Kentucky. Is G-W that goodor is Kentucky a falling program, and faster than we thought?

Is UNC's title hopes this year guranteed, and if not, who will challenge them?

Gardner-Webb was 9-21 last year in the Atlantic Sun conference, the game was at Rupp, Kentucky trailed 14-0 to start and NEVER LEAD in the game!

Ohio St lost to Findley College ( D II school )
Michigan St lost to Grand Valley St ( D II school )

Memo to Big 10-quit scheduling these D II powerhouse in Football & Basketball :lol:

They didnt lose. Those were exhibition games. OSU didn't play their starters for large parts of the game.

They didnt lose. Those were exhibition games. OSU didn't play their starters for large parts of the game.

Still, Findley. I don't even know where that is...

Still, Findley. I don't even know where that is...

In Ohio, and the games was in Columbus

Findlay is an Elite Eight-level DII program. Still, there's no way they should be hanging with even Ohio State's scrubs.

UCLA has caught the injury bug. Better sooner than later at least.

Rumor is the ACC is droping the Big 10 from the ACC/Big 10 challange and replacing them the Great Lakes conference ( Grand Valley St & Findlay are members ) for a tougher challange ;)

Findlay is an Elite Eight-level DII program. Still, there's no way they should be hanging with even Ohio State's scrubs.

Yeah, its still an embarassment. Findlay is really good (they could beat Youngstown St, or some of our crappy D1 programs typically), but the Columbus press thinks we have a top 25 team.

We've only had an exhibition so far, a 124-65 drubbing of 10-19 D2 team Carson-Newman. Though it's hard to read much into a game against such weak competition, I came away quite impressed with the youngsters. Zeglinski had pretty good handles and he was always getting his hand on the ball defensively. Jeff Jones has a lot of offensive talent and should be able to contribute right away, and Farrakhan scored his share too. Meyinsse bulked up some and should be a contributor this year, and Calvin Baker (a W&M transfer) will definitely get some solid minutes. Mike Scott didn't play, but some people in the know have been raving about him. It's hard to say for sure, especially after the loss of J.R. Reynolds, but with a lot more depth--especially on the inside--this team could potentially be better than last year's.

My university=potential solid mid-major. Hopefully we'll win the MAC. We have every player returning from last year and a guard who was recruited by MSU and U of M, and is projected to be a first team all MAC player now in his sophomore year (and he is really better then most anyone I've seen in the conference), and a center who's been second-team all MAC for two years running. I'm pretty excited.

^ Western Michigan?

^ Western Michigan?

Yeah. :D

More characters please.

Duke--121
North Carolina Central--56

This is the school the girl who accused the Duke Lacrosse of rape went too--think they ran up the score on purpose? :mischief:

yeah, I'm sure they thought that. Oh, NC Central is in their first year of DI competition and was a below-.500 DII school last year. That may have had something to do with it as well.

USC loses to Mercer
Georgia Tech loses to North Carolina Greensboro

Cupcakes unite!!

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Northeast-10 Division II Basketball, catch the fever!

Though they play in Westchester, so I wouldn't even know what they're up to.

NC Central was ranked 320th out of 320 teams on Rivals pre-season D1 basketball ranking. That's like Texas playing Centenary...oh wait :mischief:

USC loses to Mercer
Georgia Tech loses to North Carolina Greensboro

Cupcakes unite!!

Isn't Greensboro a consistent tourney team?

Also, Belmont beat Cincinnati. BREAK UP THE ATLANTIC SUN!

I think you're thinking of Wilmington, though UNCG has made the tournament a time or two recently.

We had our first game today--we beat Vermont 90-72. Team was ok, not great. Calvin Baker and Jeff Jones impressed, Sammy Zeglinski and Mustapha Farrakhan will need some work, I think. We still don't do that well when Singletary is out of the game. Our defense was sub par, and our FT shooting was not great either.

Duke--121
North Carolina Central--56

This is the school the girl who accused the Duke Lacrosse of rape went too--think they ran up the score on purpose? :mischief:

They might as well get the scoring out now because it's not coming later when they play real teams.

I think you're thinking of Wilmington, though UNCG has made the tournament a time or two recently.

We had our first game today--we beat Vermont 90-72. Team was ok, not great. Calvin Baker and Jeff Jones impressed, Sammy Zeglinski and Mustapha Farrakhan will need some work, I think. We still don't do that well when Singletary is out of the game. Our defense was sub par, and our FT shooting was not great either.

Greensboro made it a couple of years ago.

ACC/Big 10 challange match ups next week

Wake Forest-Iowa
Georgia Tech--Indiana
Minnesota--Florida St
Northwestern--Virginia
Wisconsin--Duke--Only team to never lose a challange game:D
Purdue--Clemson
North Carolina St--Michigan St
Illiniois--Maryland
Boston college--Michigan
North Carolina--Ohio St
Virginia Tech--Penn St

Will the ACC go 9-0 in challanges?

No, because Duke will blow it for the ACC...

No, because Duke will blow it for the ACC...
Not likely

Does North Carolina Central have a death wish? First season as D1 and they schedule Duke at Duke and Florida at Florida the first week.:eek:

ACC/Big 10 challange match ups next week

Wake Forest-Iowa
Georgia Tech--Indiana
Minnesota--Florida St
Northwestern--Virginia
Wisconsin--Duke--Only team to never lose a challange game:D
Purdue--Clemson
North Carolina St--Michigan St
Illiniois--Maryland
Boston college--Michigan
North Carolina--Ohio St
Virginia Tech--Penn St

Will the ACC go 9-0 in challanges?

I like Indiana, Michigan St and Illinois's chances. Purdue might be able to squeak out a win too. I think the Big 10 wins 3.

I don't know how good Penn St. is, but VT lost their two good guards and had some decommit/transfer problems. Their recruiting class was still good, but they're extremely vulnerable. Wake Forest is probably not very good, either.

As far as our game goes, I don't know how good Northwestern is supposed to be, but a lot of people were miffed that the ACC regular season co-champs got such a lousy draw.

Does North Carolina Central have a death wish? First season as D1 and they schedule Duke at Duke and Florida at Florida the first week.:eek:

No, they just have a budget that just got increased by about $100,000. Take it to the bank!

Siena beats # 20 Stanford-the cupcake rebellion continues

Good win by Virginia at Arizona

Ohio St lost to Findley College ( D II school )
Michigan St lost to Grand Valley St ( D II school )

Memo to Big 10-quit scheduling these D II powerhouse in Football & Basketball :lol:
The game was on the Big 10 network, too, so nobody saw it.

Also, Belmont beat Cincinnati. BREAK UP THE ATLANTIC SUN!

Belmont beats Alabama at Alabama!

New Orleans ( Sun Belt ) upsets NC ST.

Baylor is 4-0 with wins over Notre Dame and Winthrop. Not too shabby...

And UCLA wins the first ranked-team matchup of the year :D

And UCLA wins the first ranked-team matchup of the year :D


What a good game. Michigan St had them, but couldn't hold on. Duke looked
strong also, but I think they will run into some lack of big men problems during
the season. But dang, Henderson and Nelson are amazing :eek: .

Duke looked
strong also, but I think they will run into some lack of big men problems during
the season. But dang, Henderson and Nelson are amazing :eek: .

Duke this year is quick, fast and can shot. However you are right, Zoubek is their only big man ( and he is average at best ) teams that have @2 big men down low will give them a very hard time.

PS

St Marys beat # 11 Oregon--the beat goes on

Western Michigan-83
#25 Davidson-76

pwned

Ohio State 79
#21 'Cuse 64

Double Pwn'd. Rank us plz k thx bai

And UCLA wins the first ranked-team matchup of the year :D

And Duke the second

Maui Championship Game

#10 Duke-77

#13 Marquette-73

ACC/Big 10 challange match ups next week


And the first week of December

The Big 12 / Pac 10 challange
and the
SEC / Big East challange

Some good early interconference goods

Double Pwn'd. Rank us plz k thx bai

I'm sorry--what was that again?

I'm sorry--what was that again?

haha, yeah, I don't what to tell you guys. That was the worst basketball game I've ever seen, and I had American University season tickets.

BYU knocks off number 6 Lousville 78-76.

I think I'll just get on the Mormon's bandwagon....

UCLA garners a fourth injury to a major contributor.

Aboya with a fractured orbital bone :sad:

Hopefully he doesn't need surgery and can play with a mask.

Didn't Love hurt his foot too?

He came out and seemed fine. Should be playing next game.

Texas smashes Tennessee by 21 points and Xavier upsets Indiana. How much do these preseason tournaments usually mean again? :p

They are highly indicative of future play :mischief:

They are highly indicative of future play :mischief:

There actually good at telling which mid-majors will be good but as far as "traditional" powers it tells little as they are loaded with underclassmen & super frosh who will get much better as the season goes on.

FSU kills Florida in UF's first game against real competition. I'll go on record and say that each time Walter Hodge is the leading scorer, UF will lose.

FSU kills Florida in UF's first game against real competition. I'll go on record and say that each time Walter Hodge is the leading scorer, UF will lose.

Florida is real young, they will be better come march

I see
3 Frosh
2 Sophs
1 Junior
in their top 6, and it looks like the upperclassmen didn't play much last year.

Oh I know. But they really need a 2-guard, Hodge is one of those guards who can't handle the ball well enough to be a point and can't shoot it well enough to be a 2.

God damnit SIU is losing at the half.

Texas is up to 8th :D And ahead of A&M too.

God damnit SIU is losing at the half.
and at the end too ;)

Whoever it was that thought, "Hey, you know what would be a good matchup? A Big 10 bottom feeder at the reigning ACC regular season co-champion." is a complete idiot. Honestly, what kind of crappy team goes 4-15 from the free throw line? One of their guards even airballed one. I get why this was the only game in the Challenge to be on ESPNU now.

We deserved better.

Whoever it was that thought, "Hey, you know what would be a good matchup? A Big 10 bottom feeder at the reigning ACC regular season co-champion." is a complete idiot. Honestly, what kind of crappy team goes 4-15 from the free throw line? One of their guards even airballed one. I get why this was the only game in the Challenge to be on ESPNU now.

We deserved better.
Michigan-BC is on ESPNU too... :mischief:

Ok, boys, tell me. I'm a basketball noob. What do I watch tonight: North Carolina State vs. Michigan State or Illinois vs. Maryland?

Michigan-BC is on ESPNU too... :mischief:

Ok, boys, tell me. I'm a basketball noob. What do I watch tonight: North Carolina State vs. Michigan State or Illinois vs. Maryland?

St vs St

Normally Maryland is a very good team, but not this year so far.

And Duke goes 9-0 alltime in the ACC/ Big "not so challanging " 10

ACC up 5-1, need 6 wins to clinch

Don't watch Maryland. You'll thank me when all the Maryland fans from the area come out of their closet later this year when they beat NC State or something.

Duke looked good last night. We'll see if it continues into March. :mischief:

UNC vs Ohio State tonight. UNC needs to dominate.

and they are, as they should. Ohio State is very young while UNC is loaded.

They are loaded every year, but this year especially :p Lawson, Hansbrough, Ellington, etc.

And the ACC dominates again. Say, Big 10, I know you're not finding playing the Atlantic Coast very appealing; maybe you can get the Atlantic Sun next year? They seem to be more your speed.

UCLA garners a fourth injury to a major contributor.

Aboya with a fractured orbital bone :sad:

Hopefully he doesn't need surgery and can play with a mask.

Aboya is back with some safety goggles from the Lakers. Collison is playing again as well.

And the ACC dominates again. Say, Big 10, I know you're not finding playing the Atlantic Coast very appealing; maybe you can get the Atlantic Sun next year? They seem to be more your speed.

Well, we had a team in last year's title game...and you didn't! :)

I was disappointed with OSU yesterday...they actually should have won that game. You cannot shoot like what, 29%, miss layup after layup, and beat a team like UNC.

UNC has to be feeling good about themselves...they've beaten some good basketball teams so far shorthanded.

Well, we had a team in last year's title game...and you didn't! :)

You bring up a good point, actually. The ACC hasn't been more successful in general than the Big 10 has, but in head to head bouts--in the challenge and in the NCAA tournament--the ACC has the decided advantage. Is there some particular reason that Big Ten teams generally match up poorly to ACC teams?

You bring up a good point, actually. The ACC hasn't been more successful in general than the Big 10 has, but in head to head bouts--in the challenge and in the NCAA tournament--the ACC has the decided advantage. Is there some particular reason that Big Ten teams generally match up poorly to ACC teams?

ACC is more athletic, while the B10 is more 1/2 court. But in the tourny things are slowed down and teams play more 1/2 court which plays more to the B10 than ACC

And I'm reminded why I hate Big Ten basketball. Seriously, how do people watch it?

And I'm reminded why I hate Big Ten basketball. Seriously, how do people watch it?

Nothing wrong with 1/2 court like Princeton--screens, back doors lots of movement, then theres the flip side--Wisconsin, every game 50-45 and looks like a rugby match with all the bodies slamming and holding.

Nothing wrong with 1/2 court like Princeton--screens, back doors lots of movement, then theres the flip side--Wisconsin, every game 50-45 and looks like a rugby match with all the bodies slamming and holding.

The Rugby match is what I saw last night. And I don't think I've ever seen worse shooting.

And I'm reminded why I hate Big Ten basketball. Seriously, how do people watch it?

Because the Final Four is fun :)

Because the Final Four is fun :)

Not when the Big Ten is in it. ;)

Texas upsets UCLA :D This team appears to be better than the Texas Durants last year.

Texas upsets UCLA :D This team appears to be better than the Texas Durants last year.


key word there;)

God Michigan St 's got to be the worst top 10 team, EVERY game is down to the wire ( oops sorry NC ST-not you ) and most of them are cupcake city.

God Michigan St 's got to be the worst top 10 team, EVERY game is down to the wire ( oops sorry NC ST-not you ) and most of them are cupcake city.

Yeah, so far it's looking like NC State is a textbook case of a strong finish translating into vastly inflated expectations.

I had to sell my UCLA-WSU ticket because my girlfriend is here and I couldn't just leave her alone all day :(

I don't know what on earth is wrong with our team, but I hope Leitao fixes it soon. Losing at Xavier isn't a big problem; losing by 38 is.

I don't know what on earth is wrong with our team, but I hope Leitao fixes it soon. Losing at Xavier isn't a big problem; losing by 38 is.


Dukies tomorrow nite for you.

Mike Patrick said it best: "A good-ol' fashioned butt kickin'."

And UNC finally falls, to Maryland at home. Is Maryland turning it around? I remember they had some bad losses early (VCU, Ohio, American).

And UNC finally falls, to Maryland at home. Is Maryland turning it around? I remember they had some bad losses early (VCU, Ohio, American).
Aw nuts did I miss that one? Jeez I was hoping for once to see those arrogant tarheels at school silenced and missed my chance. I even predicted this upset. :blush:

oh and epic lulz to Illinois, giving up an 8 point lead to Purdue and letting them score 47 points in the 2nd half.

Maryland still sucks...

Maryland still sucks...

yeah they blew it, They were real good for @ 3-4 years 1999-2003, and got a real good recruiting class after their title 2002 but lost all of them 1 by 1 to off court problems and they never recovered.

Maryland lost to Ohio AND American??

Maryland lost to Ohio AND American??

At home too.

Dook ahead of UNC in the polls is unacceptable. I can't wait until the Heels run them out of the building...twice.

ESPN Game Day from SIUC! I've never seen my university so pumped for anything since we last went to the Sweet 16.

big ten is great, but I will admit we are usually a bit overrated. That being said we almost always have at least one team in the final four. Too bad it is usually never the illini, and until we get a coach that can recruit chicago again, it won't be us.

Illinois went to the Championship Game 2 years ago :p

Too bad it is usually never the illini, and until we get a coach that can recruit chicago again, it won't be us.

Michael Thompson 2003
Sean Dockery 2003
Jon Scheyer 2006

Lots of Illini players from that area......playing at Duke:mischief:

Don't forget the ones playing at kansas too, sherron collins, julian wright. We are supposed to have a couple good classes the next couple years, but I wonder how much of that is a reflection of the fact we have Michael Jordan at our practices.


And don't forget the biggest insult, Jon Scheyer was coached by like Bruce webers brother in high school. How do you blow that sale?

Yea, and UTexas should have every Texas player alive too gosh darnit!

Bruce Webber is doing fine. He is competing year in and year out against Michigan State, Wisconsin, and Indiana has been to more NC games in the last 5 years than they have.

LEAVE BRUCE WEBBER ALOONEE! :cry:

I try to leave him alone, but he blew our never lose at home attitude we had for so long. Up until last year we had the highest winning percentage this decade besides duke. I just hate to see my team lose it all, I can't even watch this year.

Bobby Knight quit's

Bbby Knight quit's


Isn't the 'big' game Wednesday night paw? Will Lawson be playing for the dirty heeled guys? :scan:

Bbby Knight quit's

So the respect level for him gets even lower...

Isn't the 'big' game Wednesday night paw? Will Lawson be playing for the dirty heeled guys? :scan:

they are saying no

Isn't the 'big' game Wednesday night paw? Will Lawson be playing for the dirty heeled guys? :scan:

Williams is pessimistic. Take that as a "no."

I have to respect the man who has the most wins ever... at least for anything basketball related he does.

I have to respect the man who has the most wins ever... at least for anything basketball related he does.

Then I'll be the first to say that I hope the door doesn't hit him on the way out. A classless guy, a jerk, and overrated. It's an abomination that this jerk took Dean Smith's record. Hopefully, Williams will take it back.

the man has the only perfect season on record, I never saw dean smith do that... on't get me wrong, as an illinois fan I hate indiana. He also gave texas tech 5 straigh 20 win seasons, I mean that impressive I don't care what kind of guy he is. Most of his guys didn't become big nba stars like smiths did, so I would say he was a better coach. I mean it's pretty hard to lose when you have MJ, worthy, sam perkins, stackhouse, jamison, wallace, carter coming out of your school... I guess you could argue that dean smith made them into what they were, but I think knight did more with less.

the man has the only perfect season on record, I never saw dean smith do that... on't get me wrong, as an illinois fan I hate indiana. He also gave texas tech 5 straigh 20 win seasons, I mean that impressive I don't care what kind of guy he is. Most of his guys didn't become big nba stars like smiths did, so I would say he was a better coach. I mean it's pretty hard to lose when you have MJ, worthy, sam perkins, stackhouse, jamison, wallace, carter coming out of your school... I guess you could argue that dean smith made them into what they were, but I think knight did more with less.

Knight also coached in the Big Ten. And Big XII. Not exactly the ACC.

from when bobby kniught started until the mid 90's the big ten had more teams in the final four than the ACC. Illinois, michigan, Iowa,Michigan state and purdue all made it at least once. It was pretty much north carolina, duke and virginia from what I can remember for the ACC, ther big ten dominated nationally and is the only reason we have any kind of stature left at all. You got me on ther big 12, kansas usually always choked. I can't remember who coached them though :)

it's also 5-4 in national titles in that time period too. I forgot NC state now that I checked, i don't know how I forgot them though.

from when bobby kniught started until the mid 90's the big ten had more teams in the final four than the ACC. Illinois, michigan, Iowa,Michigan state and purdue all made it at least once. It was pretty much north carolina, duke and virginia from what I can remember for the ACC, ther big ten dominated nationally and is the only reason we have any kind of stature left at all. You got me on ther big 12, kansas usually always choked. I can't remember who coached them though :)

Sure, the Big Ten had more final teams, but top to bottom, the ACC is always better. We see that (in the ACC's bad years) in the ACC-Big Ten Challenge. Any ACC game is a losable game for any team. I'd like to see Indiana under Knight go above .750 in the ACC. I can assure you they wouldn't.

well we'll never know, but he knocked off some pretty impressive teams to win his titles. I hate hate the acc big ten challenge. My illni used to be the only team that ever seemed to win. In my opinion I think they choose some peculiar matchups. I can't make any excuses though, you guys own us there.

Williams is pessimistic. Take that as a "no."


Big Hans better pick it up another notch ;) . Should be a good one.

Big Hans better pick it up another notch ;) . Should be a good one.

Psycho T will be fine, it's QT Heel fans are worried about.

Blue Devils win. When did black become their second color?

the man has the only perfect season on record

I'm quite sure Wooden had an 88 game winning streak. Or does that not count?

I'm quite sure Wooden had an 88 game winning streak. Or does that not count?

Knight had the last unbeaten season, 1976

UCLA had a couple during the Wooden era

Blue Devils win. When did black become their second color?

They've had it @ 10 years or so.

Duke just played a better all-around game. Lawson does make a big difference, I just don't know if he would have last night. Very poor shooting
by the Tar Heel perimeter players. Green and Ellington were off their game,
some of it can be credited to the Duke defense (most were wide-open shots
though). Duke really brings the pressure, both on offense (wide spacing and
excellent wing players) and defense (quick and athletic). Looking forward to
the next couple of meetings :D .

Duke just played a better all-around game. Lawson does make a big difference, I just don't know if he would have last night. Very poor shooting
by the Tar Heel perimeter players. Green and Ellington were off their game,
some of it can be credited to the Duke defense (most were wide-open shots
though). Duke really brings the pressure, both on offense (wide spacing and
excellent wing players) and defense (quick and athletic). Looking forward to
the next couple of meetings :D .

If Lawson was there, UNC wins it...guranteed. Lawson frees up defenders from Ellington, who would make shots early, getting him confidence with each shot. Green as well. And less QT playing time.

They've had it @ 10 years or so.

Yea...but usually as an alternate. It seems like they use it almost as much as the blue now.

Two of my friends who are huge Tar Heel fans weren't at school today. I called them up after school to see if they were still alive after last night's game.

They told me they had bet like $100 with a few people that UNC would win by 15+

Two of my friends who are huge Tar Heel fans weren't at school today. I called them up after school to see if they were still alive after last night's game.

They told me they had bet like $100 with a few people that UNC would win by 15+

Morons. I hate idiotic UNC fans, they disgust me more than idiotic Dookie fans. Seriously, who expects to win by 15+ without your star PG.

The gods of college basketball must want an undefeated season. I thought this was the day Memphis finally lost.

I would have liked to see it,I want Mike davis get some spot light after being kicked out of indiana

Tonight was the best game we've had in quite a while. Sean Singletary gave an inspired performance in his last home game, scoring his 2000th point on a layup with just a few minutes to go, and a lot of our other players were on as well. And it's always nice to give Maryland a whooping. This was the most fun I've had at a game since VT (or maybe even Duke) last year, and it helped make up (a little, anyway) for what has been a dismal season.