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Padma
Nov 09, 2007, 09:20 PM
Wow. Just ... wow.

Wednesday, Novemver 7, DanQ from Apolyton and myself visited Firaxis for an exclusive preview of Civilization: Revolution. We both agreed it was probably the most fun we had had in a while. :) Dan had a video camera wirh him, and once he edits the footage and posts it on Poly, I'll post a link.

The day started with a tour of the company. We couldn't take many pictures during this, since there was a lot of concept art and other non-releasable stuff posted on walls, etc. Too bad, because it all looked great!

Then we sat down with Barry and Sid (and Dennis and Kelly) for the official preview. Sid started a game using the current build on an XBox360, hooked up to a huge (60 inch?) screen. For the record he played as Lincoln of the Americans. As he played, he explained what was happening, and concepts behind it.

If you've played Civ4, you should be pretty comfortable with it. Despite what some may say, it hasn't been "dumbed down". Certain elements *have* been simplified. For instance, you don't have to micromanage your cities. But for hard-core control freaks, the ability is still there, just not as obvious. Another change is that if there is nothing to do, by default, it won't wait at the end of your turn. Workers don't run around manually doing things. For instance, to build a road between two cities is as simple as selecting that option, and paying the required gold.

Let me digress here a moment. Sid (and the rest) tried hard to make sure we understood a few things. Civ:Rev is NOT Civ5. It is a separate branch of the Civ family. It is targeted at a quite different audience, and for a reason. Not all console gamers are brain-dead. This game is intended to give them a true strategy game. It will also demonstrate that TBS can be *fun*. (And for any concerned about the health/quality of PC Civ, all I can legally tell you is, you're going to be amazed, and you're going to have FUN! :D)

Anyway, after Sid did his demo, and we chatted a while, Dan and I got a unique treat: we are the first non-Firaxis people to actually *play* the game! I got the console in the conference room, and Dan took the identical system in the next room. First, Barry ran upstairs and pushed a new build, that had the opening movie in it. Let me just say that this movie, with 5.1 Surround Sound, is simply awesome. I even got to watch it several times, as you will see below.

After the movie, I clicked quickly through the initial screens (single player, new game, difficulty level, etc.). When I got to the "Select your Civ" screen, I paused for a bit, so I could study the different Civs, their leaders, and their "traits". On the selection screen, each Civ's special bonuses are explained when you cursor over it. And there are different bonuses for each era of the game. For instance, a Civ might get extra food per worked tile in the Ancient age, an extra gold per worked tile in the Middle ages, a free Great Person in the Industrial age, and a +1 attack in the Modern age. It also lists the Special Unit(s) that Civ can build. Aztecs have the Jaguar Warrior, which auto-heals. The Americans get some WW2-era units.

(Another aside: Catherine of Russia will probably win as the "hottest babe" in this game. ;) But Cleopatra runs a close second, especially in that gauzy Ancient Age costume. :groucho: )

Anyway, I decided that, for tradition's sake, I would play my first game as Caesar of the Romans. I selected him, and watched the game crash immediately. :eek: I guess we don't play the Romans on this build. ;)

After we laughed, Dennis got the Xbox back up, and I tried again. This time, I chose Lincoln, since I was sure that would work. After all, Sid had just played as him. ;) So we got going, built Washington, and started exploring. Wait a minute. I can *see* everything! Where's the fog? Oops. Barry forgot to turn that back on when he added the movie. (The developers can use a lot of *cheats* in their builds, to help them debug,) So he went back upstairs to do another build, and push it back to this box. Meanwhile, I saved the game so we could pick up where I left off. Let me also add that fog in this games isn't just black "you can't see this" covering, but is gray, drifting tendrils, thick where you haven't been, and thin where you have. If you watch, you can see it moving. A great effect.

Barry came back, and said we were good to go, so I fired it up again, this time choosing "Load Game" instead of "New". But the only save I could see was Montezuma. No matter. It was approximately at the same point as my Lincoln game, so I pressed on with it. I began my explorations again, running into some nasty barbarian camps. Camps seem to have 3 warriors in them to defeat. Fortunately, Barbs are "uncivilized", so they get a negative applied to their combat. My northern Jags defeated the first three barbarian warriors they ran into, and got promoted to Veteran status. Another few Barbs, and I was able to upgrade them. I gave them "March" capability, making them a 2-move unit. Still heading north, I found yet another Barb camp. Took out the first warrior. Took out the second. The third wiped out my nice little Jag unit. :(

Meanwhile, closer to home, other Jags were busy exploring. I found several "Friendly Villages" ( = Goody Huts) and gained some gold and techs. And then I met Cleo. The initial meeting we agreed on Peace, and I was able to buy some tech from her, as well. But I soon realized she was blocking a land bridge to the east. I had explored north ans south as far as I could, and to the west was ocean, and I didn't have any boats, yet. But entering another Civ's territory is a declaration of war (although you get an "are you sure?"-type message). So I built my forces, and created a Jag Warrior Army. (Note: Any special promotions a unit in an Army has apply to the entire Army. So if a unit has March, the whole Army has March. If a unit has Medic, the whole Army has Medic. Etc. So by selecting the units to go into an Army carefully, you can get a very powerful Army, indeed!)

So I marched my Army, plus a spare Jag, up to Thebes, and declared war. Oops! She has an Army of Pikes guarding her city! And with the City defense bonus, my mighty jags were chopped into little pieces. :( I quickly made sure I had defenses in my two cities, and started building more to be safe. Things seem quiet for a bit, and I start to breathe a little easier. I begin building a galley to go check out the "Great Relic" friendly tribes have told rumors of, off to the north. Then, Cleo pops up asking for peace, for a "mere" 65 gold. Since I'm running out of playing time, I decide to try some things, just to see what happens. I offer her 33G, instead, and she leaves in a huff. Suddenly, her Army approaches my second city. I try to contact her, to offer her 65G, or even more, but the Diplo screen isn't in this build. All I can do is just watch as she slaughters my brave defenders. Finally, after she has the city, she again offers me peace. I jump at the chance. A few minutes later, Dennis' jaw drops as far as mine when we realize she is pumping Culture in that city as hard as possible. This looks like a *good* AI.

Anyway, I now have a Galley, with a Jag on it for exploring. I send it north, but in the year 1270 AD, the game crashes. It's getting late, so Dennis advises against restarting. We go and watch DanQ stomp on the AI in his game. (Of course, I was playing on "King", the "everything is even" level, and he was playing on Warlord. ;))

We also got a chance to play on the DS for a while. Game play is exactly the same as on the 360, it is just the graphics that change. (Dennis likes the DS version - it reminds him of Civ2, with the 8-bit graphics. :))

All-in-all, I love this game.

Padma
Nov 09, 2007, 09:21 PM
DanQ, Barry, Padma, and Sid - Nov 7, 2007

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=170847&stc=1&d=1204949000

trada
Nov 09, 2007, 11:54 PM
Wow! This is most impressive!

Zhuge_Liang
Nov 10, 2007, 12:48 AM
As far as I can say................. THIS IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!

Lucky The Fox
Nov 10, 2007, 10:00 AM
We also got a chance to play on the DS for a while. Game play is exactly the same as on the 360, it is just the graphics that change.

This is the best bit, as long as the AI doesn't suffer too much.

Padma
Nov 10, 2007, 12:29 PM
This is the best bit, as long as the AI doesn't suffer too much.

From what I could tell, it doesn't suffer. Of course, with the memory limitations of the DS, I won't guarantee that. Still, the biggest memory hog they were working on trimming was the graphics.

Yorkshire_14
Nov 10, 2007, 01:35 PM
You should have told Sid to make it for the PSP!

hossam
Nov 11, 2007, 05:32 PM
You should have told Sid to make it for the PSP!

maybe he did, please tell me you did!! you had to

Sub
Nov 11, 2007, 10:52 PM
I don't see what difference it would make whether he told Sid that or not. It's not as if Firaxis doesn't realize that the PSP exists.

Anyways, cool writeup, I like how Firaxis does stuff like this for the big fansites.

Ace of Gold
Nov 14, 2007, 10:49 PM
you said at the DS graphics are worse. How much different are they from X-box version, is it just like civ 4

Glad to hear the DS version is the same gameplay though.

bernie77
Nov 25, 2007, 08:46 PM
Does it have good graphics and will the player be able to play offline multiplayer?

dshirk
Nov 26, 2007, 03:18 PM
you said at the DS graphics are worse. How much different are they from X-box version, is it just like civ 4

Glad to hear the DS version is the same gameplay though.

The DS version has the exact same engine driving it as the 360 version, just with a different presentation layer. Screenshots will be released shortly and you can judge for yourself, but we definitely like where it's going. :)

Genocidicbunny
Dec 09, 2007, 09:00 PM
Great writeup Padma!. Maybe when Civ: Revolution comes out I can force my FPS trigger happy friends to try it out.

Padma
Dec 09, 2007, 10:21 PM
Thanks, stickciv. :)

That's exactly what this game is about. It's not *designed* for us Civ-fanatics: it is aimed at the non-civ-playing / console-playing FPS-ers. ;)

That doesn't mean we can't enjoy it, too. Heck, I had so much fun that I'm seriously considering buying an XBox360 just for this game! :D

Genocidicbunny
Dec 09, 2007, 10:33 PM
Thanks, stickciv. :)

That's exactly what this game is about. It's not *designed* for us Civ-fanatics: it is aimed at the non-civ-playing / console-playing FPS-ers. ;)

That doesn't mean we can't enjoy it, too. Heck, I had so much fun that I'm seriously considering buying an XBox360 just for this game! :D

Well, I wouldnt go as far as to say I would buy a 360 just for the game, but it would be a definite buy if I did have one.

Tr Derka
Dec 10, 2007, 05:51 PM
How did you get the oppertunity to go do this? Cause I would have done ALOT to get this same oppertunity. Meeting Sid! That's awesome.

Padma
Dec 10, 2007, 08:09 PM
It was a special opportunity for the heads of the two largest Civ fan sites (CFC & Apolyton). Thunderfall got tied up with a project at work, and as a senior staff member, with some free time available, I had the honor of representing CFC. :D

ChrTh
Dec 10, 2007, 09:23 PM
Thanks for the report, Padma. I love the fact that the DS mechanic is the same as the consoles ... means I'm a lot less likely to beg for the Wii version when it comes out.

croxis
Dec 12, 2007, 12:33 PM
This is why you arnt in the chatroom so often =P

Isn't there a wii version coming out later? Online MP capabilities?

I'm glad it is a good game for what it is trying to do. I may get a DS just to get Civ, Populous and Sim City

Padma
Dec 12, 2007, 12:56 PM
XBox360, PS3, and DS versions will be out in Spring. The Wii version will be out in the Fall.

I know the XBox will have obline capability, maybe the PS3, as well. I don't know about the Wii. The DS? ... :dunno:

I do know the XBox will have the Game Of The Week: a new start you can download each week, play, and upload your results to compare with others.

Genocidicbunny
Dec 12, 2007, 05:34 PM
Ooh, thats most definitely a bonus. Having a GOTW. I already got one of my friends to agree to buy the game when it comes out, and this could easily push another one over the line. Most excellent, means I get to play the different versions.

dojoboy
Dec 17, 2007, 08:07 PM
Wow. Just ... wow.

Wednesday, Novemver 7, DanQ from Apolyton and myself visited Firaxis for an exclusive preview of Civilization: Revolution. We both agreed it was probably the most fun we had had in a while. :)

Yeah!? Well, bite me! ;)

DanQ, Barry, Padma, and Sid - Nov 7, 2007

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/7295/DanQ_Barry_Padma_Sid.jpg

We're screwed! ;)

Angst
Dec 20, 2007, 07:53 PM
I can't wait for the Wii version :)

marciv
Jan 01, 2008, 01:46 PM
I'll definitely get the Wii version when it is available. I can't imagine that they wouldn't do an online version as the system is equipped for online gaming. Also the hand control system for the Wii would suit the point and click Mouse type action that us PC users are accustomed to. Love Civ in all its forms!

EdPrem
Jan 14, 2008, 10:43 AM
I would like to know more about the multiplayer options and gameplay. If I am going to play CIV by myself, it will be on the laptop. But if there are a bunch of CIV newbies in the 360 world, I might buy the game just to play a large group of opponents.

bunny_lard
Jan 17, 2008, 06:02 PM
I'm gonna have trouble deciding whic one to buy: Wii, 360, or DS? I may have to buy all three! :P (nah). Anyway, for anyone interested, there is a review of this in the latest Game Informer, screenshots included! (Yes, even the DS version).

boneys26
Jan 26, 2008, 08:46 AM
I think the Wii should have been first (point and click lol)

Dero Zero
Jan 27, 2008, 06:49 AM
When precisely the game comes out?

Genocidicbunny
Jan 27, 2008, 02:54 PM
The most precise date given is around september 2008.

2K_jason
Jan 28, 2008, 07:14 PM
The most precise date given is around september 2008.

Definitely not. It's still officially just spring. Definitely before the summer.

Also, we've confirmed that the Wii version is on hold for the time being:

http://wii.ign.com/articles/848/848144p1.html

hossam
Jan 30, 2008, 10:09 PM
haha that what every body with a wii get for buying a crappy console!

lutzj
Feb 01, 2008, 06:36 PM
haha that what every body with a wii get for buying a crappy console!

It's not crappy... it's just "special";)



The smiley personifications of the three next-gen consoles:


Ps3 :scan:
360 :sniper:
Wii :twitch:

Genocidicbunny
Feb 01, 2008, 09:46 PM
"Special" indeed. I find the Wii fun on a different level than the 360 and PS3. So I wouldnt call it a crappy system, as its like comparing apples and oranges..

Cyrus the Great
Mar 04, 2008, 12:16 AM
Thanks, stickciv. :)

That's exactly what this game is about. It's not *designed* for us Civ-fanatics: it is aimed at the non-civ-playing / console-playing FPS-ers. ;)

That doesn't mean we can't enjoy it, too. Heck, I had so much fun that I'm seriously considering buying an XBox360 just for this game! :D

I am also going to buy a 360 to play this awesome and new civ game!!!!

Firaxis Games Rules!!!!

Better than anything else- maybey get spore ( Looks Cool)

Cyrus the Great
Mar 04, 2008, 12:18 AM
haha that what every body with a wii get for buying a crappy console!

your dirty

Cyrus the Great
Mar 04, 2008, 12:30 AM
It's not crappy... it's just "special";)



The smiley personifications of the three next-gen consoles:


Ps3 :scan:
360 :sniper:
Wii :twitch:

Dude!

Wii only plays game and no hardrive

360- 20gb hardrive+plays 360 games and xbox games, plays movies- play online and surf the net on line+plays music!!

Thrallia
Mar 05, 2008, 05:42 PM
wow...anyone who bashes the wii has probably not played any of the great games on it...it has more great games on it than the PS3 does :rolleyes:

Genocidicbunny
Mar 05, 2008, 05:46 PM
Dude!

Wii only plays game and no hardrive

360- 20gb hardrive+plays 360 games and xbox games, plays movies- play online and surf the net on line+plays music!!

Ive yet to get as much fun from simple sports games on the 360 as I have gotten on the Wii.

Dero Zero
Mar 10, 2008, 08:08 AM
I cant wait for June 8th! (Europe release date)

Kadazzle
Mar 11, 2008, 11:04 PM
Play any CoD game on the wii, then play them on the Xbox360, that will tell you what system is better.

Genocidicbunny
Mar 12, 2008, 01:22 AM
Play any CoD game on the wii, then play them on the Xbox360, that will tell you what system is better.

The Wii version? (Yes, I don't care about gfx. i do like the control with the Wiimote, and I dislike the way the controls work in the 360 version)

Dero Zero
Mar 12, 2008, 09:55 AM
I know the XBox will have obline capability, maybe the PS3, as well. I don't know about the Wii. The DS? ... :dunno:

Sid Meier said in one interview, that 360, PS3 and DS will have the online capability.

Killa'
Mar 22, 2008, 10:28 PM
Dont mean to seem like an idiot, but what does TBS in the original post stand for?

Genocidicbunny
Mar 22, 2008, 10:58 PM
turn based strategy?

Padma
Mar 22, 2008, 11:28 PM
Yep. Turn Based Strategy games. As opposed to "Real Time" Strategy games (RTS). Or First Person "Shooters" (FPS).

Dero Zero
Mar 25, 2008, 08:46 AM
And one more thing from the same class, TDS, meaning top-down shooter or tower defense shooter.

Genocidicbunny
Mar 25, 2008, 05:51 PM
And one more thing from the same class, TDS, meaning top-down shooter or tower defense shooter.
wouldnt that be closer to FPS and not TBS?

XxtraLarGe
Mar 27, 2008, 03:27 PM
Yep. Turn Based Strategy games. As opposed to "Real Time" Strategy games (RTS). Or First Person "Shooters" (FPS).

Don't forget MMORPG :lol:

Schuesseled
Apr 03, 2008, 09:55 AM
and RPG. :cool:

wouldnt that be closer to FPS and not TBS?

No, a tower defence game is traditionally very much like a turn based strategy.
You build youyr defences, click on start wave, units come they die, you rebuild, then click again.

robcheng
Apr 03, 2008, 06:03 PM
I personally think games like desktop tower defense fit more in the RTS category than the TBS strategy. There's no real "turn" that lets you take as much time as you want to complete, and no "per-turn" generation or addition of money/units/score.

jbadams
Apr 06, 2008, 12:20 PM
Will we be able to use a keyboard and mouse for the PS3 version? I can't imagine playing a game like this using only a game controller.

bonafide11
Apr 06, 2008, 01:43 PM
Will we be able to use a keyboard and mouse for the PS3 version? I can't imagine playing a game like this using only a game controller.

No, they've answered this before, you will not be able to. The game is designed for the console controller though, so it shouldn't be a big deal.