Did anyone managed to achieve a whole colonial Empire? if you do post it here. the ones that count are the British, French, Dutch, Portoguese, Spanish, Japan and Germany (with WW2 territories).
If you dont know the size of the Empire look here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Atlas_of_colonialism

I once tried it and succedeed as the Dutch. I'm going to play one as 'Italy'. I'll play as Rome until the industrial ages, and then I switch the name and behavior and colonize Africa.

I;ve done Rome, Japan would be easy.....wouldn't it?

As the Arabs I've colonized the whole world (Egypt, Carthage, Persia, India, Spain, France, Turkey, vassalized China, Netherlands and Mongolia). When my stability and congresses hacked away at my empire one by one, I built a new one in Africa (nearly the whole of the Ethiopian UHV territory except Mbanza Kongo). My stability is a whooping 1 star right now. :lol:
And Islam is still just 36% in 1850!! :mad:

As England I've comtrolled Australia, New Zealand, India, Eastern Canada, Vancouver, South Africa 'till Mbanza Kongo, Lagos, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Aden, Mecca, St.Petersburg, and, of coure, the British Isles themselves. The only large parts of the British Empire I missed were Egypt, Sudan and Kenya.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/105866/Civ4ScreenShot0060.JPG

(look at the minimap)

Only one I have ever tried (pre BtS) was Japan and I kept collapsing due to stability problems. I dont think, despite knowing the game better now, I would have any more success if I tried it now.

Id be interested in some of the tactics used by anyone that does manage to do it.

I;ve done Rome
This is really interesting... all the territory of the UHV plus the adriatic coast, Greece, Libia, Egypt, east mediterranean coast, Turkey, and Romania:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Roman_Empire_Territories.png




It's duable, especially without limits of time.
If you have to do it by 116AD (historical time-line) it will be rather hard to accomplish without killing your economy or stability.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/RomanEmpire_Phases.png/800px-RomanEmpire_Phases.png



After that you get the spawn of Spain, France, England, Germany, Arabia, and Turkey that spoil your dreams of glory. :)
At least reconquering the territory can be rather painful but not impossible.

i didn't get QUITE that much of the Middle East, and yeah, once the "Rise of Europe" came on, it was all over...

i didn't get QUITE that much of the Middle East
Yes it's very hard to conquer both the west and the middle east.
It could be an interesting challenge... a kind of "extended" or alternative UHV. :)
I enevr did conquer that much in any of my games as Rome.


and yeah, once the "Rise of Europe" came on, it was all over...
I did try to reconquer some of the territories, "shortly" after their independence and trying to keep my empire stable : Spain - France - England.
I don't know about your experience but I found that reconquering one is relatively easy (especially Spain), two is feasable, all three is very hard.

I'm going to play one as 'Italy'. I'll play as Rome until the industrial ages, and then I switch the name and behavior and colonize Africa.
Considering that Italy "colonised" the scraps left by the other EU powers (Libia, Eritrea, Ethiopia, and Somalia) then it shouldn't be too hard: usually in RFC those territories are nobody's land. :)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Italian_empire_1940.PNG

Portugal wouldn't be too hard. You'd have to take Brazil, Cape Verde, Guinea-Bissau, Angola, Mozambique, East Timor, and some port cities in India.

Portugal wouldn't be too hard. You'd have to take Brazil, Cape Verde, Guinea-Bissau, Angola, Mozambique, East Timor, and some port cities in India.

Heck, even the AI, can do that...Russia would be tough

Rome is impossible to do in the time limit. By time I'm close enough to actually making it, it's after 500 AD, and civilizations are spawning rapidly left and right, taking away my hard earned territory. I also can't have even one turn of peace if I want to accomplish a real historical Rome. The UHV is completely possible, but getting a real historical Roman Empire is impossible in the early part of the game.

I've done it in the industrial age though.

As for everything else... it is actually possible to do every historical empire in the game, even Han China if you really push it--the only empire as big as Rome during the period when Rome was at its peak. You can even do Arabia, but not within the very slim real time frame it was actually done; you'll likely be a few hundred years late. Anyone ever try to get the historical size of Russia by 1867? (That's the date the Empire reached it's furthest east, Alaska, before selling it to the USA.) I did it once, but my economy and military was so strained I could barely hold on, and eventually I had little choice but to switch to a police state and communism. :D

Historical size of Mongolia in time?

It's duable, especially without limits of time.
If you have to do it by 116AD (historical time-line) it will be rather hard to accomplish without killing your economy or stability.


From what I remember, that was Rome's UHV initially: to recreate the Empire at its highest extent.

Historical size of Mongolia in time?

I reached Mongolia's size, I didnt capture Russia but I conquered Arabia and India.

Historical size of Mongolia in time?
I think it's feasable.

Mongol Empire in 1227 at Genghis' death
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Genghis_khan_empire_at_his_death.png/250px-Genghis_khan_empire_at_his_death.png


The empire expanded until 1279 and then collapsed
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Mongol_Empire_map.gif/300px-Mongol_Empire_map.gif

I was able to do it some long time ago... at the end of the day emulating the historical empire is the mongolian UHV (or close by, 12% of world)

most of that is desert and mountains in RFC......anybody willing to give it a try?

The problem in making empires such as Rome, Macedonia or Mongolia is that time processes too fast. If it were halved there would be more chances (of course as some king of modmod, getting America to play would take decades in real life)

This is most of the Mongolian empire except the Russian part with north India and Arabia, I won the next turn.

What's up with the map uncovering Mali?

I traded maps with them.

:crazyeye: ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer

it is actually possible to do every historical empire in the game, even Han China if you really push it

The Han Dynasty 206 B.C. - 220 A.D.
http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehistory/china/images/hanmap.gif
If this is the territory to conquer, I think that it can be feasable by the 220AD... it's a while I don't play China so I don't remember the "timeline" in the game.

The Roman empire to full extent in historical time it's almost impossible (I'd love to see somebody doing it) but it's not the only one.

What about Alexander the Great in historical time (by 323 BC)?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/MacedonEmpire.jpg/800px-MacedonEmpire.jpg

You have to eliminate Babylon (if still alive), Persia and Egypt... and arrass India as well.
Can be tough in any case but impossible with historical timeline!

It's not impossible. You just have to be very very lucky. All my melee units got cover after a few turns (I love that event) and Egypt was conquered by barbarians who left the capital without any defense. Babylon was only defended by warriors, easy target. In 750 BC the only target left was Persia. When I defeated them it was 30 BC, but I could have done it some turns earlier because I couldn't declare war on them. I'll post a screenshot when it's done.

When I defeated them it was 30 BC
That's pretty far off 323 BCE...

It is possible to do the Ottoman empire, and I have managed the russian empire (not sure if it was the exact time as in real life, but it was close) I had wars against mongolia, china, japan, arabia and persia to get it :)

Persia is now defeated in 270 BC, only 3 (the three I couldn't declare war on Persia) turns after 330 BC.
Still, I haven't conquered India like Alexander did. :(

impressive!

If you do not start to expand too early, Japan must be easy.

Impressive both the empires!
complimnts to both of you (and thank you for sharing)

As Rome I reconquered France, all British islands, Netherlands, Germany, Greece and the Balkans and keep the northwest of Africa. I conquered also some cities in central and south America with Conquistadores but I prefer to leave them free because they caused a lot of trouble to my stability and economy.
Now I am at 1550 and I am preparing to invade Spain and Portugal...

Here are my Empires: The Roman Empire (A bit late, but all historical territories are occupied) and the Byzantine Empire: A Roman game that I founded Constantinopolis as my capital.

Persia is now defeated in 270 BC, only 3 (the three I couldn't declare war on Persia) turns after 330 BC.
Still, I haven't conquered India like Alexander did. :(

Recall though that Alexander never conquered the whole of India, merely nibbled at parts of its border. Though you have a very good empire for such an early time period I think it would be better to try to include Northern Egypt (Alexandria very important ancient city) and Macedonia (Northern Greece), where Alexander was from.

i didn't get QUITE that much of the Middle East, and yeah, once the "Rise of Europe" came on, it was all over...

That's the thing though, no one REALLY gets the whole Roman Empire, certainly not within the time period that IS impossible I'm willing to say. Most people just think of Rome as being the Mediterreanean and England, they don't realize it includes Asia Minor, the Balkans, Judea and Mesopotomia.

I remember trying to make the Portuguese empire several times, but failing miserably... There is just no way to colonize/conquer the east coast of Africa by 1510, while also colonizing Goa, Malacca/Singapura and Macau/Guangzhou.
The complete Portuguese empire 1415-1999: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Portugal_Imp%C3%A9rio_total.png

Can anyone conquer the Mongolian Empire? Not by the the historical time line, but by the end of the game?

Didn't really aim for it, but got pretty close when doing the uhv some time ago.

Oh come on, if you don't add a time limit I regularly see the AI win that one.

As Rome I reconquered France, all British islands, Netherlands, Germany, Greece and the Balkans and keep the northwest of Africa. I conquered also some cities in central and south America with Conquistadores but I prefer to leave them free because they caused a lot of trouble to my stability and economy.
Now I am at 1550 and I am preparing to invade Spain and Portugal...

Update:
1709- Founded colonies in south and north America and started the invasion of Spain, strong economy, strong research and sufficient stability...Vassals Kmher, Ethyope, Egypt, Malì.

Update:
1709- Founded colonies in south and north America and started the invasion of Spain, strong economy, strong research and sufficient stability...Vassals Kmher, Ethyope, Egypt, Malì.

A viceroy game?

Did rome again on monarch level. finished the empire with conquering carthage at around 300AD. Took the next few turns for the buildings requirements of the uhv. Let's see how much of my empire i can keep through the middle ages.
p.s. With Greece founding Athenai and Byzantinum now its a bit easier.

Wow, very impressive! You got the Great Wall I see, that must have been invaluable keeping out those pesky Russian Horse Archers ;)

How do you take screenshots again? I've taken almost all of historical China and a good chunk of India, and I'd like to show that, if I can.

Hit the Print Screen button on your keyboard (this saves a copy of your screen to the Clipboard). Alt-Tab out of Civ and paste the screenshot into Paint (or similar). Then just save it as a .jpeg and there you go, ready to upload!

Ok, i finished my roman game. I decided to head east and took arabia after their spawn. Also took over Babylon and Persia. In the end i had to pull of another golden age to keep me from collapsing. I also checked the dates in the replay. I took carthage and colonised spain in 170AD but it took me until 330AD to found the missing town in jugoslawia.
Oh and Augustus Caesar has obviously the leadership abilities of Augustus Caesar :D

Did rome again on monarch level. finished the empire with conquering carthage at around 300AD. Took the next few turns for the buildings requirements of the uhv. Let's see how much of my empire i can keep through the middle ages.
p.s. With Greece founding Athenai and Byzantinum now its a bit easier.

Awesome! :goodjob:

OK, here's my attempt at a Spanish empire. Obviously if I didn't go for a fully Spanish USA I could have gotten Philippines and Congo. At the end I had to switch to police state and nationhood to buff my collapsing stability to unstable. (Was super solid until the last 10 moves when I sent 8 settlers out and conquered some independent cities in North America).
Note that Egypt, Rome, Khmer, India and Mali (who collapsed) are my vassals, so yes, I did have my Italian possessions. If I only had to nerve to found a Corsican city or the Azores...

I see that you squatted Portugal...

Ok, i finished my roman game. I decided to head east and took arabia after their spawn. Also took over Babylon and Persia. In the end i had to pull of another golden age to keep me from collapsing. I also checked the dates in the replay. I took carthage and colonised spain in 170AD but it took me until 330AD to found the missing town in jugoslawia.
Oh and Augustus Caesar has obviously the leadership abilities of Augustus Caesar :D
WONDERFUL!
You raised the bar for this type of challenge... compliments.

I see that you squatted Portugal...

Yeah, at the end I was trying to recreate (at least the American part) of the combined Spanish/Portuguese empire (which did exist for a while when they were under one crown).

Ok, here comes the next one. The spanish empire (monarch), 1700AD 2/3 UHV conditions and all historical territory except the small colony in west Africa which i cant settle until Biology. I did not squat Portugal and also did no harm to the other europeans, except the dutch to represent the spanish Belgium.

Fought a quick war in 1600AD over Spanish-Sahara because Portugal beat me to it. Declared war in 1650 on England and had to raze New York twice (and another settler is already in place). In 1680 Declared on France and razed all their colonies in Quebec and Guyana. Those last wars were extremely close, because i'm behind in tech and fighting with muskets and conquistadors against riflemen and cavalry, just my numbers turned it into my favor. France did also found 2 more cities during the war in addition to the 3 existing in Quebec, but he didn't manage to have them all defended, so i could take some for free.

In Europe i hope i can hold of France from Spain, but i think i will lose Amsterdam for sure within the next few turns.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7e/Spanish_Overseas_Empire_And_European_Realms_Anachr onous.png

Update
I managed to make peace short after 1700AD but when a congress came around 1730 it started all over again. In the end i managed to keep all my cities and even vassalized Mali and China to boost my score. Still it was not my highest spain score, but its a lot more challanging than killing off France and Englang right away.

Very nice wr4th. I see you founded almost every city in place and kept all the Incan/Aztec cities (despite some of them not being so good). Could have conquered Mbanza Kongo which would be complete. What was your stability before 1700 (with all the conquering and founding cities without courthouses) and after the GA has worn off?

I could have taken Mbanza Kongo easily but i think its to far south to be fitting.
My Stability was shaky/unstable short before the GA. But afterwards the 2 vassals and the fact that i finished all courthouses brought me back to stable. My economy was 5 stars and expansion always 1 :)
Only during the last 20 years when i had wars again due to congress i became shaky again.

Here is my try for Alexanders Empire. Founded Korinthos and Ephesos for the higher base production and filled in Pella later just to make it a real Macedonian Empire.
Sent the galley with phalanxes to Egypt which only had warriors. waited for Memphis to grow to pop 2, then took Egypt. Also waited for Hatusas to grow and took Tyros and Hierousalem with the help of some fresh phalanxes. Babylon was a pain and it slowed me down a lot with its axemen and archers which have +50% vs melee. But Persia decided to help out and suicided some troops to weaken Babilis defenses.
Few turns of recovery and then finally took Persia, but obviously i was two turns to slow :(

Note that this was done on monarch unlike the previous try posted by Wessel (which is obviously viceroi from the techs), so i basically only teched iron working and then the other worker techs. I gave me calendar in the worldbuilder to check the date but of course did not use any dye. Actually the total lack of happiness resources makes whipping a pain.

Maybe i'll try again some time, but i think this was already a pretty lucky game.

Okay, here's what I have of China as of the mid-1400s. Mind you, I once controlled a good chunk of Mongolia too, but their damn spawn robbed me of them... but they're such helpful trading partners, I can't bring myself to just kill them!

Khmer is my vassal, by the way.

The first pic is of just the empire itself, and the second one includes the cultural boundaries.

I don't know how you guys do it. I lose 90% of the fights I am in. No matter what unit I use against whatever unit I fight, I mostly lose. I would never be able to get an empire like that. In fact, I once had a warrior (with no promotions) defeat 5 of my Praetorians. Sucked greatly.

The first pic is of just the empire itself, and the second one includes the cultural boundaries.

If you want to see cultural boundaries, you can just click the culture icon when you are looking at the globe view.

@wr4th how do you get the number of turns for construction to shop up on the city's bar thingy like that?

I don't know how you guys do it. I lose 90% of the fights I am in. No matter what unit I use against whatever unit I fight, I mostly lose. I would never be able to get an empire like that. In fact, I once had a warrior (with no promotions) defeat 5 of my Praetorians. Sucked greatly.
That's very strange, I would say impossible.

Here is my try for the Macedonian Empire. notice that the first picture is for the historical date and the second one for the full empire.

If you want to see cultural boundaries, you can just click the culture icon when you are looking at the globe view.

I know, but that's always so messy...

Alexander never went as far as Delhi, he just got to the Indus.

and he founded alexandria in egypt, not Kyrene... ;)

impressive though

I don't know if he can hold it all with -42 gold and 0% research.

and he founded alexandria in egypt, not Kyrene... ;)

Actually, according to wikipedia he founded a whole slew of Alexandria's ;)

Anyway, here's my try at the Macedonian empire on Monarch. As per Lokolus, first two pics are at the historical date, the third is full empire - Calendar added via WB to verify date. I was going to leave Delhi since as mentioned Alexander didn't reach it, but Lahore looked pretty dumb surrounded by Indian culture so I bit the bullet - maybe I should have razed it, lol. I was hoping to found Alexandria as well, but didn't start building the Settler until way too late :lol:

Some amazing luck gifted me Babylon when it became apparent that they had ignored the copper for once and it was defended by just a warrior! In fact I think a more skilled player would maybe be able to get the whole empire in time, as my workers mucked around building improvements instead of roads, and I had a harder time with Persia than necessary - turns out Phalanxes only get bonuses against Immortals on defence! :(

Yeah there were Alexandria's founded as far as India. Who would've though that Alexander was a bit of an egomaniac? :P

Who would've though that Alexander was a bit of an egomaniac? :P
Yeah, who thought that "Alexander the Great" was a megalomaniac?

true, alexandrias were founded everywhere... as a matter of fact EVERY city he founded was named alexandria... and just to add onto the megalomaniac bit... who would guess that a guy who fashioned himself the son of Zeus and accepted the title of Pharaoh could be so crazy about himself?!

Yeah, he probably was a bit megalomaniac. From Wikipedia:
Alexandria, Egypt; Iskandariya, Iraq; Alexandria Asiana, Iran; Alexandria in Ariana, Afghanistan; Alexandria Bucephalous, Pakistan; Alexandria of the Caucasus, Afghanistan; Alexandria on the Oxus, Afghanistan; Alexandria of the Arachosians, Afghanistan; Alexandria on the Indus, Pakistan; Alexandria Eschate, "the Farthest", Tajikistan; Alexandria on the Latmos, Turkey; Alexandria Troas, Turkey; Alexandra Nicaea, Pakistan; Alexandria ad Issum, Turkey; Alexandria (Merv), Turkmenistan; Alexandrupolis, Greece; Alexandria on the Hyphasis, Pakistan; Alexandria in Susiana, Iraq.

How's the stability going for those 2 Greek Empires? Do you think you can do a little better than Alex and hold on to'em?

I've not carried on with this myself - this was mostly an irresistible diversion to studying :D

I wasn't planning on taking it further to be honest, but I can certainly give it a go if you'd like me to. Might be a bit tricky, my tech/economy decisions were not exactly based on attempting to hold on to an massively overstretched, totally broke empire like this! :lol:

I fear the barbarians would be having their wicked way with me soon whatever happens, might be an uphill struggle keeping them at bay.

Can anyone do the Arab UHV?

Sorry, accidental post.

Yea I've done the Arabian UHV, so have others. I'm sure (in fact I know) there's a strategy guide for it on the wiki if you're interested. Basically, rush to Spain with a decent luck plus cannons and mercs you should do it. Now this is me personally here but I like to go to Delhi to get my 2 shrines (at least 1 is usually made for you already so you only to pop 1 in Mecca and that's it) And the 40% Islam might be tricky and may take awhile but the good news is you have all day to do it. One thing I did was to keep on checking the civics as the Euros love to use theocracy so when they switch that's a great time to rush some missionaries asap!

Hope it helps. The Arabian UHV is challenging but doable IMHO.

That's very strange, I would say impossible.

More information please. Was the warrior behind a heavily fortified city? Were your prats at full strength? If not, then I agree, that really does impossible. Heck even with the scenarios I stated above I'm not sure it's possible.

Off topic, but I just got this brilliant idea. What would happen if you are Rome and finished the UHV. Then, Spain spawns and you give you cities in Spain to another civ and your cities in France to Spain. When France Spawns, you give them London. Spain and France collapse and England goes to Scotland because they can't trade London because that is France's capital.

Off topic, but I just got this brilliant idea. What would happen if you are Rome and finished the UHV. Then, Spain spawns and you give you cities in Spain to another civ and your cities in France to Spain. When France Spawns, you give them London. Spain and France collapse and England goes to Scotland because they can't trade London because that is France's capital.

Well, with the new patch you cannot gift capitals any more. That would have been a good idea (except I don't think that Louis will take London from the start). But the old strategy still works after they've founded their capitals.
To quote Pacifist (since he's a brilliant guy, from one pacifist to another) in his addendum to the Roman wiki:

3. After 600 or thereabouts, after you've whipped all your cities to a 1 to 2 pop, you might want to give some of your cities to a civ that you know won't make much of your European colonies (I chose Egypt). Evacuate your troops, give it to him (who became friendly and sold me some techs for a song), and watch the barbarians rush in. (Too bad there's no autodestruct sequence, otherwise I would have destroyed them rather than give them to France or Spain). When Spain spawns, somehow it will accept your London as a city, so Isabella becomes pleased with you (important for later French conquest).

I was convinced that it was possible to do better than my previous attempt... and I was right!

As before, Monarch difficulty, Calendar added via WB to verify date. There's no western Indian city, so no chance for further Indian adventures even though I'd captured Pura a couple of turns before the limit. I'm pretty happy that this represents well the extent of Alexander's conquest anyway.

Luck gifted me a barbarian chariot that wandered into my spawn area at the start, which proved invaluable at speeding up my conquest. I've now disbanded most of my army in a rather doomed attempt to keep down costs as I might carry this game on to see how it develops, but I fear my empire may be short lived :lol:

I think it is the best so far...

Excellent effort! For that early a time period it's really great! Only thing is that most of the cities were not so little populated they were much bigger at the time but that's not your fault. Great job!!! You are worthy of the name Alexander the Great!

Very nice mushyman.

Here is my attempt at the Russian empire. The goal was to cover the area of greatest extent shown on Wikipedia in 1866 (see attached). This doesn't include the light green area of "influence". This was mongol territory, and they wouldn't vassal, they just collapsed. I like to think of the independents in this area as my vassals anyway. On the screenshot I outlined the line of my culture at the edges.

The only significant omission was failing to get to Warsaw. The Germans were very powerful and my friends (together with the Vikings we maintained a three-way defensive pact for much of the game), and I didn't have time to catch up with them in tech and betray them. I also failed to spread my culture over all of Siberia. There is a significant lack of possible city sites (thanks to the inability to found on tundra unless it's next to ice-free ocean) in some regions, and the cities you can found will be constrained to be small and thus provide little culture. Still, I broadly covered all of Siberia and founded a little Alaska/Pacific Northwest colony. The only ahistorical addition was Instanbul. I had a couple wars with the Muslim Turks and captured that city in an attempt to collapse them (which didn't work).

I stayed in European Russia for quite some time before striking out into Siberia. After I did, my expansion was one star most of the way, but by judicious use of Nationalism/Occupation while taking the Mongol empire and then resettlement (using an olympic park GA) I was able to stave off collapse. A 5 star economy helped.

Good job. I tried and failed as Russia due to the stability issues. I reached Vladivostok and went into civil war. Probably would have happened much earlier but I managed 3 golden ages during the 1800s with various GP and Olympic Park.

Did you manage to build a railway all the way from the Baltic to the Pacific? That would be cool.

And how do you get those numbers showing you how many turns to growth/builds to show up in the city name bars?

I didn't have the railroad built by 1866 -- I didn't have the tech for it. That was mostly due to choosing other targets. In particular, I went for medicine which cut short a late/nasty plague, communism (state property is a no-brainer for a Russia this size) and electricity for the Research Institutes.

I specifically chose not to research 2 key technologies: democracy and economics, both for stability reasons. It is a bad for your stability to have democracy if you don't adopt emancipation and universal suffrage, and I certainly wasn't going to have more turns of anarchy to switch to those -- the serfs would get uppity but a little emancipation unhappiness was manageable. It's also bad for your stability to have economics and be in a decentralized economy (which I was). Again, I knew I wanted to switch to state property, so I waited until I did that to acquire economics + corporation. My big trading cities all had castles anyway, so the extra trade routes gained at corporation mostly just offset the economics-related losses.

I also used the recently-provided settler maps to choose my city sites, in particular I founded Vladivostok as far east as possible, choosing a slightly worse site in order to be in the dark grey.

Anyway, all this kept me stable or shaky the whole time.

The only ahistorical addition was Instanbul.

It's actually OK - for quite a lot of time Russia's ambitions were to control the Straits of Bosphorus and Dardanelles.

@wr4th how do you get the number of turns for construction to shop up on the city's bar thingy like that?

From the start-up screen, click: Advanced → Options → Graphics → Detailed City Info

Thankyou very much.

Has anyone ever managed to control the entire USSR territory, as well as found Saint Petersburg and Volgograd (Leningrad and Stalingrad) while having any luck in the game?

I see the one above who got close to it had it easy because Mongolia and China collapsed? When I went for the Russian Empire, I had to go to war with Mongolia, China, and then Japan. And then to try and get the USSR empire, I had to declare war on German, Scandinavia, Turkey, and Greece (And for some reason, France joined in). The USSR attempt failed though, and I had a Barbarossa like war that destroyed me.

Actually, in my attempt the Mongols collapsed China and then I collapsed the Mongols through war. But I was also lucky that Japan was weak (and eventually collapsed) so that I did not have to fight them for Vladivostok.

The key to getting the USSR (imho) is to settle the German/Scandanavia portion really early. If you can grab this land and then keep peace with the Europeans I think the Asian conquests are quite possible, as long as no individual power is too strong -- the key is you have such a long time and most of the territory you want is not in someone else's homeland.

Of course, getting the full sphere of influence for the USSR -- I'm thinking Warsaw pact + Cuba -- that would be challenging.

The key to getting the USSR (imho) is to settle the German/Scandanavia portion really early. If you can grab this land and then keep peace with the Europeans I think the Asian conquests are quite possible, as long as no individual power is too strong -- the key is you have such a long time and most of the territory you want is not in someone else's homeland.


I routinely send my settlers west to get a city close to St. Petersburg (e.g. Reval) and Kiev. I also build Abo in Finland. (Dunno why it's called Abo becuase that's the Swedish name for Turku, and if the Russians build Abo it should go by the Slavic name. From Wikipedia:
Its name originated from an Old East Slavic word, tǔrgǔ, meaning "market place")

From there you can build up your science and military, and I'm sure once Germany collapses, you can rampage through Eastern Europe and get your empire there.

Of course, getting the full sphere of influence for the USSR -- I'm thinking Warsaw pact + Cuba -- that would be challenging.
Unless Germany collapses, which it has been doing a lot in my games lately.

Has anyone ever managed to control the entire USSR territory, as well as found Saint Petersburg and Volgograd (Leningrad and Stalingrad) while having any luck in the game?

I had all the territory of modern USSR but was Unstable/Collapsing and so I ended up gifting about 4 cities at the Eastern end to my vassal India. That put me as just Unstable, which was enough to make it through to 1950 for the UHV.

I usually found a Baltic city one adjacent to the Gulf of Finland but on the tile to the SE rather than to the E of the E-W row of water tiles. But I can't recall what the city was called unfortunately. I also found a city in Finland, one that can reach the Fish on the opposite coast of Sweden.

The trick with USSR is timing your expansion. Obviously you need the UHV condition of Siberian cities fairly early (well before 1950) but you should wait before founding too many others until around the 1920s or even the 1930s, depending on how many Japanese cities are in the way around Vladivostok. The Mongols are never a problem for this late expansion, even if they are still around. Just send in the Tanks and they don't stand a chance.

Does anyone know who made this and how, looks impossible.Roman Empire. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads//civ4screenshot0000_7LZ.jpg)

I don't know but it's in a really old Warlords version.

Does anyone know who made this and how, looks impossible.Roman Empire. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads//civ4screenshot0000_7LZ.jpg)

I've done almost the same recently, except I didn't have Leptis and one less city in Spain, but I had the whole Egypt.

Does anyone know who made this and how, looks impossible.Roman Empire. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads//civ4screenshot0000_7LZ.jpg)
I've done almost the same recently, except I didn't have Leptis and one less city in Spain, but I had the whole Egypt.
... me to, and i've posted it in this very same thread. So why not try and read first?
click me (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6702663&postcount=43)

tip: try without the Great Wall ;)

Does anyone know who made this and how, looks impossible.Roman Empire. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads//civ4screenshot0000_7LZ.jpg)

that screenshot is a fake

Yeah, why would anyone in their right mind build those two Iberian cities one tile in from the coast?

I did Han-China. I am now going to continue this game and try to create the People's Republic of China.

I did Han-China. I am now going to continue this game and try to create the People's Republic of China.

PRC should be interesting, for bonus points try to vassalize the Khmer and make them communists.

that screenshot is a fake

Thanks for confirming it...was about to say something myself but didn't want to appear too cynical or negative. I mean, for an empire that size that early on, his Rome wasn't even producing all that much. Also you think you'd see ships all over the Mediterranean having sent troops to Egypt, Judea, N. Africa, but there are hardly any.

I am willing to say that it's just about impossible to get the entire Roman Empire at its height (including Mesopotamia) within the same time the Romans did historically, just too few turns!

PRC should be interesting, for bonus points try to vassalize the Khmer and make them communists.

That's a pretty good idea. I'll do that, and conquer Korea (it's too small to divide in a northern and southern half in the game)

I did the People's Republic of China, and vassalised Khmer and made them Communists as well.

Would It count if I made a historical Egypt? 2 cities is hard to settle you know..or would a MODERN Portugal or Netherlands Empire Count?:)

I didn't have the railroad built by 1866 -- I didn't have the tech for it. That was mostly due to choosing other targets. In particular, I went for medicine which cut short a late/nasty plague, communism (state property is a no-brainer for a Russia this size) and electricity for the Research Institutes.

I specifically chose not to research 2 key technologies: democracy and economics, both for stability reasons. It is a bad for your stability to have democracy if you don't adopt emancipation and universal suffrage, and I certainly wasn't going to have more turns of anarchy to switch to those -- the serfs would get uppity but a little emancipation unhappiness was manageable. It's also bad for your stability to have economics and be in a decentralized economy (which I was). Again, I knew I wanted to switch to state property, so I waited until I did that to acquire economics + corporation. My big trading cities all had castles anyway, so the extra trade routes gained at corporation mostly just offset the economics-related losses.

I also used the recently-provided settler maps to choose my city sites, in particular I founded Vladivostok as far east as possible, choosing a slightly worse site in order to be in the dark grey.

Anyway, all this kept me stable or shaky the whole time.

Settler Maps? Where Can I find a link to these? I would like to know the best place to settle cities also:)..so I dont have to spend a while calculating and deciding for myslef

Does anyone know who made this and how, looks impossible.Roman Empire. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads//civ4screenshot0000_7LZ.jpg)

That isnt all of the Roman Empire:)

Need a bit more of middle east at least culture border wise..and need Egypt

Settler Maps? Where Can I find a link to these? I would like to know the best place to settle cities also:)..so I dont have to spend a while calculating and deciding for myslef

The settler maps are not the best places to found cities, they show where AI will mostly settle cities.

The settler maps are not the best places to found cities, they show where AI will mostly settle cities.

Where Can I find them at though? Im shure its the best for Rhyes and Fall becuz many times u SHOULD found cities with just 1 tile seperating it from another city

Unless your talking about the blue circles that appear when you select a settler..in which case It seems that they change what spot they are in every turn..even if u dont move settler..or if u just move him a tiny bit

I can't find the thread it was located, but the download itself is at http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=173935&d=1207896036

I can't find the thread it was located, but the download itself is at http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=173935&d=1207896036

I downloaded it to desktop..but where should I put the file at ...I dont even know what this will do lol...do I put it in Rhyes and Fall Assets? and extract it there? or what?

Thx for link though BTW

You don't have to load it in anything: You're meant too look at these maps and think: Hey, I'd better not found a city there, as it will flip to Mongolia when they spawn.

You don't have to load it in anything: You're meant too look at these maps and think: Hey, I'd better not found a city there, as it will flip to Mongolia when they spawn.

it has bad visual the maps do:)..but anyways I was under the assumption that they where maps that showed you the exact tile that would be good to settle on:)

The biggest turn-off in creating a historical empire must be governing some areas that are hardly useable. For example the western half of the PRC, the Gobi desert and Tibet, are of little immediate use. There's nearly no food nearby and what surrounds Lhasa is mostly plain hills and at most one banana and sheep resource.

What's worse is that the historical nationalistic pride in governing as large an area as possible doesn't show in RFC. At worst, expanding to Tibet, the Caribbean, Persian lands or Africa might only hurt your empire. I can honestly say that I've had little interest in grabbing as much colonies as possible when playing as the colonial empires when most of the available land is barren or some other way has little potential. For example, when playing as the Brits, not counting in South-Africa I see the British Africa mostly a burden to the Empire, not a welcome addition.

I've wanted to create historical empires but sometimes it's just not worth it. Southern Chile in the case of Spain doesn't really contribute at all to the well-being of the empire and neither does Saharan France. Historical gameplay is nice sometimes but it's less rewarding than running an independent, productive empire. As can be seen from the Macedonian empires posted here, historical expansion sometimes dooms the empire into a bitter end. The empire's stability is exposed to a huge risk, as is its research rate. Even though I've never seen my own empire re-spawn, I'd rather not risk my nation's well-being with over-expansion with such little rewards.

I did the People's Republic of China, and vassalised Khmer and made them Communists as well.

That screenhot is fake, you can't build a city in that desert...

I agree, Turfan and Karamay can be built, but Ningbo doesn't have access to water so can't really be built in RFC. (Worldbuilder anyone?)

Yes, I used world builder to place Ningbo, but I did build a settler and disbanded it...

i was playing as Britian and what happened was truly luck. I was the first to make contact with Montezuma, so the force i got, instead of using it for the conquest of the aztecs, captured the former Mayan cities, which were independent. I then started building Musketmen there, and sent some from England to the cities, then Aztec Empire collasped, and I used my Musketmen to capture the Aztec Cities. Then, during a world congress, i asked for Pagan, and got it, then getting two redcoats in that city, as I just finished rifling. I then vassalized India, built more redcoats in pagan, then India collasped, and i sent one redcoat to Delhi and another one to bombay, captured them, and built more redcoats in those cities, soon capturing all of them. I then built Boston, New York, and Jamestown around 30 turns before USA comes along, just trying to make it easier for Canadian colonists to prosper for a short time until they get on there feet, as I built Toronto in 1710. I stayed out of Africa due to Carthaginians, and i vassalized France and Germany(which had vassalized rome). Then Russia declared war on rome, which then counted as war with Germany, and then me. I then negotiated China(which conquered mongolia) to fight against Russia, which they did. I captured St.Petersburg and Moscow and Russia traded me their city in Alaska. The war made China very unstable, and it soon collasped, so i conquered some of their cities as well. Persia wasn't happy with the expanded British Empire, so they declared war with me along with Arabia and Ottomans. I then conquered all of Persia, some of Ottoman and none of Arabia. There was then an Unstable middle east where Arabia and Ottomans, angry made at Egypt for letting me land troops in their cities and then our Iron for Oil trade, which Arabia and the Ottomans were made that they Traded with our worst enemy. The Ottomans and Arabs then declared war on Egypt, and when the Ottomans captured most of Egyptian cities and wanted better access to them, declared war on Arabia and conquered all of their land. then the ottomans collasped and i conquered all their cites east of Thebes, as Carthage captured every city west of thebes. So i almost had the British Empire except I lacked in Pacicfic and canada wasostly deserted Except for Toronto and Otawa

Got the Roman Empire up to Trajan's extent although I had to kick in a Golden Age to maintain stability to push it from Unstable to Shaky and having fun with Russia and their vassals being at war with me, Russia being number 2 in the world with Germany and the Vikings as their vassals against me with Mali, the Inca, the Dutch, and the Khmer as mine. Looks like its time for the clash of the titans:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=184795&stc=1&d=1217830150

Time to roll forward to domination victory! Once I clean Russia's clock I'm taking over Brazil and Australia.

Delete me.

I'd like to see how your game goes, most of the domination victories with European civs tend to have far fewer cities in Europe. I"m curious to see how you make out and if stability will hold up with all those cities you will have to build/conquer in other lands.

I'd like to see how your game goes, most of the domination victories with European civs tend to have far fewer cities in Europe. I"m curious to see how you make out and if stability will hold up with all those cities you will have to build/conquer in other lands.

I'm doing a reload on that one actually, the turn after my war with Russia ended my empire collapsed into civil war, with so much I would have to take back and since it happened in 1766 it would have been too late to win.

I'm doing a reload on that one actually, the turn after my war with Russia ended my empire collapsed into civil war, with so much I would have to take back and since it happened in 1766 it would have been too late to win.

You wouldn't happen to have a save before America spawned, would you? It would be interesting to see all of Rome collapse and independent cities popping from left and right all over the Mediterranean, Asia Minor and Europe. :)

You wouldn't happen to have a save before America spawned, would you? It would be interesting to see all of Rome collapse and independent cities popping from left and right all over the Mediterranean, Asia Minor and Europe. :)

I do, might be interesting to see how it happens to see who emerges from the rubble. Heck, with those conditions would be easy to pick up a domination win as America

By the way. If there were more Celtic and Barbarian cities in Europe in the classical times, would rebuilding the historical Roman Empire then be possible?

I just tried to do the Roman Empire, and this is how it turned out. It's 660 AD in the picture (not 450 AD, but it's still pretty close), and I have all of their empire, save a part in Iberia, a bit in the Middle East, and some of Northern Africa and Egypt.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Metzo/romanempire.jpg

My stability is only shaky, but I'll lose my empire within a few turns due to striking and new civs spawning. I'd post a save, but unfortunately, I don't know how to upload files onto the forum, seeing as I'm quite new here.

Do an advanced post and click on the little paper clip icon. The browse the options till you find find the correct save. Click it and select "upload."

Thanks, then. Here it is, if anyone cares to see:
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