What National Wonders do you build most often in your Capital?

I know there are a lot of game specific situations like if you are on the coast, an obvious GP farm, etc. Is it completely game specific or do you find that you build the same national wonders in you capital. I usually find that I build the National Epic in my capital because it is one of the first ones available.

What do you build? Why?

Running Bureaucracy, getting Colossus in a Coastal Capital City with Wall Street and Moai Statues makes for one powerful capital, especially if you're a Financial Civ. So I almost always hold out for Wall Street if my capital is on the coast.

My capital city almost always becomes either my science center (in which case it gets Oxford University) or my GP farm (in which case it gets National Epic). Science center is almost always best because of the 8C from the Palace and the additional commerce running Bureacracy. GP farms don't take advantage of commerce. But sometimes the capital just ends up with tons and tons of food, and I can't resist making it the GP farm. If so, I usually build the palace somewhere else anyway.

Ironworks is also nice in the GP farm to help you pop more engineers and build more wonders. There aren't really any national wonders that pair naturally with Oxford University, so I just delay the choice of an accompanying wonder for OU until a situation presents itself. However I often find myself putting Red Cross there with it since the capital usually has good production, especially under Bureacracy.

I would recommend saving Wall Street for the city you end up founding religion(s) in, and Moai Statues for the city with the most ocean.

It is always a difficult choice.

Ideally, you'd want Oxford and Wall Street, or Oxford and the IronWorks, combined with bureaucracy. But by the time Wall Street or IW become available, bureaucracy may have lost some of its appeal.
And of course, since your capital is often your first (if not your only) wonder city, it generally ends up being your GP farm; therefore, it makes sense to build the Nat Epic there.
Not only that, but delaying good nat wonders to eventually build the better ones in the capital can hurt a lot. An early Nat Epic can bring huge returns, even if it means you'll have to build WS and IW elsewhere.
In most games, I end up building Nat Epic and later Oxford.

Moai statues are best left to a second or third city with good production and a lot of coastal tiles.

I often build the Great Library and often do so in my capital. If so, then I'll put National Epic there too. Then I'll probably put an Academy there as well. If I get to where I'm getting Great Scientists that only want to lightbulb Scientific Method, I'll settle them there. That means that by time I get to be able to build Oxford University, my capital may be the best place for it.

I tend to wind up with National Epic in my capital. In my last game, I put in in my second city which had the Pyramids and Great Library and was generating lots of great people.

Almost always it is Wall Street and Oxford.

It depends what I want to do with it.

The Red cross Wonder is a great wonder for you pumping out non tank units. Having units with the heal ability is always nice even if you have multiple (and they do not stack) But making sure you have troops with a free healing bonus

The next wonder needs to help you pump out troops. Moai Statues is nice, but will become obsolete. Iron works is my choice and Moai Statues for a city thats a coastal city that needs help! The military option could also go for the West Point option with Pentagon.

I do not like the wall street and oxford combo for my capital. Since the capital can get Bureaucracy and that is more useful in helping the stem of invading hordes or other civilizations.

When I first started playing I thought the Great Wall of China was a MUST. In Huge maps especially! However, in many ways its a disadvantage as well. Not having the Great Wall of China means your troops can only get a bonus by buildings, civics, and killing other civilization units. Otherwise, you may never get the West Point option.

There aren't really any national wonders that pair naturally with Oxford University


National Park?

I've been playing a lot on water maps (islands, archipeligo, continents) and have been putting Moai there for the production (current game[islands], my capital has 2 fish, 2 clams, 1 cattle, several grassland, 2 plains forest, 2 plains hills) so the extra production has enabled the city to become a Wonder producing machine (playing as Huyan Fin/Ind-city has Colossus, Moai, GLibrary, Oracle, GW, GLighthouse...also has a sci academy). Coast tiles are producing 4 commerce, 1 hammer, 2 food. Been debating if I should build Nat Epic or wait for OU...

I don't think the National Park pairs well with Oxford University... With Oxford, I prefer cottages for the research, which requires you to chop the forests...

I don't like cottages I need food food and some more food. If I need cash I'll just shake it out of a vassal. ;)

My capital is usually a holy city so Wall street.

Oxford, practically in every game. If I found a early religion in my capital or don't found any, I'll build Wall Street here too, but usually I ignore the early religions and found Confucianism or Christianity, so I build WS in whatever city got the shrine.

Probably National Epic (because it's usually my GP farm) or Wall Street (because it's usually my holy city)

My capital city almost always becomes either my science center (in which case it gets Oxford University) or my GP farm (in which case it gets National Epic).

I usually do the same thing. It depends on how much food I have which one I build.

Wallstreet comes very late in the game so I mostly build National Epic there. The downside is that there's no ultimate pair for NE. Unless you want a lot of GA's.

There aren't really any national wonders that pair naturally with Oxford University Scotland Yard if i play with SE

Spies and Great Spies give a research bonus, and with a SE i have enough specialists to support both types.


in CE you are right, there is no real combo ;)

I put the Iron Works and National Park in my capital city. It might sound contradictory, by the National Park allows you to spam population and unhealthy buildings with impunity. If you want a late game Great Engineer farm, it's a viable option.

If it's surrounded by forests, National Park and National Epic and amass Scientist Specialists to generate Great Scientists. Otherwise, Oxford University and National Epic to generate Great Scientists. :mischief:

I usually choose National Epic and Oxford (because it is almost always a major holy city) but have used Maoi Stones and Wall Street there as well. My current game is a National Epic and Maoi Stones.

If I go cottage-crazy in my capital I give it Oxford and sometimes Wall Street if I found a religion early. Otherwise it's a production centre, normally pumping out loads of wonders, so Ironworks+National Epic.

Oxford almost always goes in my capital. If it's my holy city, Wall Street. If not...it pretty much depends upon the city's setting and that of the other cities. I tend not to build National Wonders until a good period of time has passed, so I can see how the cities will turn out and better decide which one could use what wonder.

Usually I will build the G. Library in my capital so I put National Epic but interestingly in my latest game I built . . . Heroic Epic! Yeah my capital is a production city with decent food but not a lot. Also I had built Oracle and Great Wall there so I didn't want a lot of Priests or Spies. First time I built the HE in my capital and it's actually worked out well as I could build it very early and didn't need another prod city for a while.

Always varies from game to game.

As the azzaman says.

:)

usualy the national epic and globe theater

Almost always it is Wall Street and Oxford.

I used to do the same, but then someone rightly pointed out that they don't synergise well.

In your Oxford city you want to running as many scientists as you can, in Wall Street you need merchants. Therefore I only build Oxford in my capital (nearly every game) and build Wall Street in a shrine city, or if I don't have a shrine (!) one where I've settled a GM and have plenty of food for merchants.

Of course the decision is more interesting if you have a shrine(s) in your capital...

Before BTS I use to build Oxford University and National Epic in capitol as a rule, but now that changed, because there are many more options.
I think that in BTS it’s better to have two GP farms than just one, so I build National Epic in my other GP farm, since capitol would usually have a lot of wonders. If I would put National Epic in the capitol, my other GP farm would be useless.
In my latest game I experimented with National park in my capitol and it worked rather well, but I wouldn’t recommend it as a strategy, since National park comes very late in the game and forests around capitol could be much better used for chopping wonders.

Usually NE, then IW or Oxford, depending on how the capital turned out. Most of the time I refrain from Wallstreet because I always have another cottaged city where it'd do better. I do NE almost always because that's where most of the Wonders go, so that's where the most GPP will be. Oxford is usually what I go for next to NE because I settle my GPs and use Rep.

Usually I go with Oxford since it's my primary science city and National Epic for the double GPP points. However if I have a shrine or two I go with Wall Street and National and put Oxford elsewhere

either one of Wall street or oxford (usually oxford) and usually iron works.

I usually choose National Epic and Oxford (because it is almost always a major holy city) but have used Maoi Stones and Wall Street there as well. My current game is a National Epic and Maoi Stones.

Um, why would you want NE or OU in a holy city?

My capital city almost always becomes either my science center (in which case it gets Oxford University) or my GP farm (in which case it gets National Epic). Science center is almost always best because of the 8C from the Palace and the additional commerce running Bureacracy. GP farms don't take advantage of commerce. But sometimes the capital just ends up with tons and tons of food, and I can't resist making it the GP farm. If so, I usually build the palace somewhere else anyway.


I almost always put Oxford University and National Epic in my capital, mainly because of the palace and espionage... odd connection, I know, but it works out that way. Because the palace brings in bonus espionage, I know I can get more espionage potential out of my capital than anywhere else, so I always build Scotland Yard here and if I settle great spys, I'll settle them here.

Spy specialists also provide beakers, which helps to supplement research. To take advantage of that, I'll build an Acadamy here as well. Because I plan to build an Acadamy in the capital, I'll always build the Great Library here and if I settle great scientists, I'll settle them here. Thus, my capital becomes my center of research, and so I'll build Oxford University here.

I usually end up running a lot of specialists in my capital - the Great Library alone adds two free scientists. To take advantage of all the GP points, I'll put the National Epic here and my capital becomes a quasi-GP farm... tons of research and espionage.

EDIT: On that note, I don't like founding Hinduism or Buddhism because I don't want my capital to become a holy city for the above reasons. I'll of corse want to build Wallstreet in a holy city if I have one... and that'll become my center of commerce complemented by other commerce cities.

I almost always put Oxford University and National Epic in my capital, mainly because of the palace and espionage... odd connection, I know, but it works out that way. Because the palace brings in bonus espionage, I know I can get more espionage potential out of my capital than anywhere else, so I always build Scotland Yard here and if I settle great spys, I'll settle them here.

Spy specialists also provide beakers, which helps to supplement research. To take advantage of that, I'll build an Acadamy here as well. Because I plan to build an Acadamy in the capital, I'll always build the Great Library here and if I settle great scientists, I'll settle them here. Thus, my capital becomes my center of research, and so I'll build Oxford University here.

I usually end up running a lot of specialists in my capital - the Great Library alone adds two free scientists. To take advantage of all the GP points, I'll put the National Epic here and my capital becomes a quasi-GP farm... tons of research and espionage.

EDIT: On that note, I don't like founding Hinduism or Buddhism because I don't want my capital to become a holy city for the above reasons. I'll of corse want to build Wallstreet in a holy city if I have one... and that'll become my center of commerce complemented by other commerce cities.

Cool strategy, but IMHO milking the capital's +4 espionage just doesn't make up for the disadvantages of putting National Epic in your capital. Bureaucracy just cries out for cottage spam in the capital, and with cottages you aren't going to have much room for specialists to take advantage of the NE. Also, once you start building courthouses, and especially jails, that +4 espionage in the capital loses its luster.

That said, if you're in a game where you don't plan to use Bureaucracy much, and if you can get the Pyramids for early Representation... or if you're playing on a low enough difficulty level such that you can count on spamming Wonders in your capital to make up for the lack of specialists... then yeah, I'll forgive the placement of NE in the capital :).

When I have about 4 cities that are doing well, I make my decisions about what city will do what specialisation. If I am playing a more warmonger game, I will make my capital a military city building heroic epic and west point in the city. If I decide that it's going to be the production city I'll put iron works, but usually my capital is the research and gold city for my civ so I'll build oxford university and wall street.

When I have about 4 cities that are doing well, I make my decisions about what city will do what specialisation. If I am playing a more warmonger game, I will make my capital a military city building heroic epic and west point in the city. If I decide that it's going to be the production city I'll put iron works, but usually my capital is the research and gold city for my civ so I'll build oxford university and wall street.

I'm curious why it seems to be rather popular to put Oxford and Wall Street together. They're almost always better in different cities, so you can use Scientists in your Oxford city and Merchants in your Wall Street city. And Wall Street should never, ever, ever, be placed in a non-holy city. So I'm hoping that your capital is always your holy city :).

Cool strategy, but IMHO milking the capital's +4 espionage just doesn't make up for the disadvantages of putting National Epic in your capital. Bureaucracy just cries out for cottage spam in the capital, and with cottages you aren't going to have much room for specialists to take advantage of the NE. Also, once you start building courthouses, and especially jails, that +4 espionage in the capital loses its luster.

That said, if you're in a game where you don't plan to use Bureaucracy much, and if you can get the Pyramids for early Representation... or if you're playing on a low enough difficulty level such that you can count on spamming Wonders in your capital to make up for the lack of specialists... then yeah, I'll forgive the placement of NE in the capital :).

You know, I don't usually run Bureaucracy - probably for that reason. As I mentioned, most of my money and production usually comes from a city outside of my capital. My capital is a bit of a hybrid - it can do a little bit of everything but I try and focus it mostly on research. Espionage is more of a byproduct of research... (or maybe it's the other way around.)

I modded a city wonder limit (3/city) so that you can't spam wonders in a single city - but I can still manage to accumulate quite a few GP points in my capital, which is the closest thing that I run to a GP farm. The strategy works well for me on Prince - you may be right about higher difficulties.

I'm curious why it seems to be rather popular to put Oxford and Wall Street together. They're almost always better in different cities, so you can use Scientists in your Oxford city and Merchants in your Wall Street city. And Wall Street should never, ever, ever, be placed in a non-holy city. So I'm hoping that your capital is always your holy city :).

As you've pointed out so well, you likely don't want Oxford and Wall Street in the same city. Therefore, it seems to me that if you're building Oxford in your capital, you wouldn't want it to be your holy city so that you can build Wall Street somewhere else. I don't like it when my capital is my holy city. If my capital became my holy city, I'd have to change strategies and cottage it.

I will tend to put oxford and wall st together in my capital because it's generating the most of the two. I'll split them up from time to time if it's in my best interest, but usually if I'm building them in my capital it's the best spot for them. In this particular game that I'm playing, my holy city isn't really generating enough gold to warrant building wall st. However, I'm not that far in this game yet to build wall st., so it could change. Good advice though thanks.

I will tend to put oxford and wall st together in my capital because it's generating the most of the two. I'll split them up from time to time if it's in my best interest, but usually if I'm building them in my capital it's the best spot for them. In this particular game that I'm playing, my holy city isn't really generating enough gold to warrant building wall st. However, I'm not that far in this game yet to build wall st., so it could change. Good advice though thanks.

While it's true that in the early game your capital is pretty much best at everything, that usually changes over time. Maybe just for kicks you can try separating Oxford and Wall Street and intentionally taking advantage of their new locations... that is, load up Scientists at Oxford and pick a holy city for Wall Street and send out a lot of missionaries to make it worthwhile. I think you'll be surprised when you see just how much cash a specialized Wall Street city can generate!

I would like to National Wonders be more civ specific. Like the Maoi statyues should be maybe some famous national ports or the hermitage should be the western white house for the americans etc