Damnit why do we have to go through this again? First fallout is about to be raped by Bethesday and Microsoft and now Sid goes at it. Somebody needs to explain me what the main idea behind an xbox version of civ is before you start bashing your controller to select the right warrior.

A real gamer doesn't game on consoles. Why? Because console gamers don't have the patience to install a game on a PC. All they want is stick the game medium in the machine and play instantly. If you don't have 10 minutes to go through an installation process where are you going to find the time to play civilization? Or is this going to be Civilization Fighters 2 Turbo?

Boy, PC gamers appear to be quite an elitist group.

I can't wait for this game.

I cant wait neither

yeah frogpower. THIS IS NOT FOR HARDCORE CIV PLAYERS. THIS IS TO INTRODUCE NEW PEOPLE TO THE CIV FRANCHISE. If you don't want to play it, why did you even start this **** thread. DON'T EVEN BOTHER TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN IF YOU DON'T WANT IT. sorry if this is offending;)

geez, man....YOU don't have to buy it...you know that right?

As a hard-core Civver, let me say just one thing:

Civilization: Revolution is awesome!

And yes, I did get to play it for a few hours when I visited Firaxis last week ;)

I'm sorry but I'm getting seriously worried about the future of PC gaming. Just try to imagine the frustration out of seeing so many FPS's come out and so little strategy games. And when they do make an interesting game it's for the console. So no I won't buy an Xbox to play the game. I might buy it on PC to support the only PC franchise that hasn't been wasted yet because of consoles. If it doesn't come out on PC I guess I'll print this post, frame it and stick it in my toilets to remember the fall of PC gaming. I guess I'll be playing UFO Defense for a few more years...

Wait.

If there is an "interesting game" on the console, you would not buy it specifically because it's on the console?

Games SHOULD be good on the console. Games are essentially the one and only purpose those things are designed for.

And it's WAY more cost effective.

And remember, Civ:Rev is intended to attract more gamers to hard-core Civ. It isn't Civ5; it is just another branch of the Civ family.

Don't worry, Civ5 will come out for the PC when it's ready. ;)

I can't imagine how you could make Civ4 any better. I suppose they could make loads of expansions like The Sims 2 STUFF* expansion packs. They could have Civilization IV:City stuff,:Civilizations stuff,:past/modern/future stuff,:army stuff, etc. Also there should be a Before the Past expansion pack.

I'm sorry but I'm getting seriously worried about the future of PC gaming. Just try to imagine the frustration out of seeing so many FPS's come out and so little strategy games. And when they do make an interesting game it's for the console. So no I won't buy an Xbox to play the game. I might buy it on PC to support the only PC franchise that hasn't been wasted yet because of consoles. If it doesn't come out on PC I guess I'll print this post, frame it and stick it in my toilets to remember the fall of PC gaming. I guess I'll be playing UFO Defense for a few more years...


There's lots of PC games that haven't been wasted by console games.
1. Civilization series. Best games ever, hands down. They're not selling out on anybody. so please, stop your useless ranting.;)
2.Age of Empires. Great series.
3.World of conflict looks pretty good.
4. Empire Earth looks ok.

this is going to take over pc version of civ, it is not good

I am glad someone brought up the series of Fallout being screwed well and truly over. I thought I might have been the only one here, having played all Fallout games from their release (with Fallout 1 and 2 being the better of the series, by far).

By anyway, this new Civ for consoles looks interesting, but there's no way in hell they will be able to convey the depth of Civilization, into a console game. Sure, I have an Xbox 360, and will play it, but it still won't be "Civilization" for me.

i cant think of anything to say but------------------------------------------nice

this is going to take over pc version of civ, it is not goodI don't know where you get that idea. Sid and the rest of Firaxis have clearly stated that this is a side branch, not the main line of Civ.

By anyway, this new Civ for consoles looks interesting, but there's no way in hell they will be able to convey the depth of Civilization, into a console game. Sure, I have an Xbox 360, and will play it, but it still won't be "Civilization" for me.You might be surprised how much depth they actually get into it. I was very much in "Just one more turn" mode when I previewed it earlier this month. ;)

Still, I will admit, it isn't full-scale Civ for the hard-core Civver. (But it's a wonderful way to kill a few hours! :D)

You might be surprised how much depth they actually get into it. I was very much in "Just one more turn" mode when I previewed it earlier this month. ;)

Still, I will admit, it isn't full-scale Civ for the hard-core Civver. (But it's a wonderful way to kill a few hours! :D)

Well, I'll take your word on that subject then :)

But either way, I'll have to read more in-depth previews of the game, seeing I only just saw the one we have here a few nights ago, and then maybe I'll be thinking more positively about the game (not that my initial thoughts were negative to begin with however).

Thanks Padma. I look forward to that "Just one more turn" fun!

Oh god no no Fallout bashing AGH! MY BRAIN IS RUNNING OUT MY EARS AGAIN!

Will you rabid deathclaws just go back to NMA like good trolls and stop screaming every single time a game goes multi-platform? Because last I checked, Fallout 3 is also coming out on the PC and Civ Rev is a console-based spin-off.

WTF is Fallout!?

Oh god no no Fallout bashing AGH! MY BRAIN IS RUNNING OUT MY EARS AGAIN!

Will you rabid deathclaws just go back to NMA like good trolls and stop screaming every single time a game goes multi-platform? Because last I checked, Fallout 3 is also coming out on the PC and Civ Rev is a console-based spin-off.

Haha, get over it mate, nothing but 2 posts had been made about it, we were hardly "bashing" Fallout. Besides, we bash Bethsoft, not Fallout :mischief:

Fallout: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout_(computer_game)

A real gamer doesn't game on consoles. Why? Because console gamers don't have the patience to install a game on a PC. All they want is stick the game medium in the machine and play instantly. If you don't have 10 minutes to go through an installation process where are you going to find the time to play civilization? Or is this going to be Civilization Fighters 2 Turbo?

This is just daft. Do you really believe this? I can think of several reasons why people play games on consoles rather than PCs, and "because they can't spare 10 minutes to do an install" is certainly not one of them. How about:

- They don't have a suitable PC. PCs are more expensive than consoles. A contemporary gamesplaying PC is maybe four times the price of a contemporary console.
- The games they want to play are not available on the PC. Specifically, the Japanese make a lot of the best games in the world, and they don't have much of a PC culture.
- They don't like the lottery of guessing if a game will work at all on their PC / if it will run in a stable fashion / if it will run as nicely as that smug git on the forums with quad graphics cards and an over-cooled super-clocked 6GHz processor.

Of course, there are equivalent reasons why people play games on PC rather than consoles, and that is why some people play on PC, some play on consoles, and some play on both. It doesn't make any one group "real gamers", unless your definition of "real gamers" is "PC only gamers", in which case your original statement was tautological.

Personally I play only Civ on my PC, and use consoles for all my other gaming. And most of that is TBS, though of course console TBS is "tactics" style games, i.e. strategy RPGs. There is a lack of REX games on consoles, so I am looking forward to seeing what Firaxis have come up with, even though I didn't like Civ4. Revolutions just might be a Trojan Horse game for me; not getting a console gamer into Civ, but getting a next gen console in to replace my PS2.

Revolutions just might be a Trojan Horse game for me; not getting a console gamer into Civ, but getting a next gen console in to replace my PS2.

This is an excellent point. In fact, I just bought an Xbox 360 today. :mischief:

And even though it is a few months early, Civ Rev is one of the main reasons I bought the thing.

I've never played Civ 4 mainly because I simply cannot justify buying a new computer only for that game. (Especially when there are so many Civ 3 fans who eschew the game.)

But then again, I am not sure I am a "real" gamer, so...

I'll buy it for my brilliant Nintendo Wii, but it had better not need extensive patching, or I won't be buying Civ 5.

Console games don't get "patching". It has to work right out of the box. Period.

(Of course, the fact that they can build to a single set of parameters for each console helps that a lot. ;))

Console games don't get "patching". It has to work right out of the box. Period.

(Of course, the fact that they can build to a single set of parameters for each console helps that a lot. ;))

Well, the new generation of consoles are beggining to include a patching system (see Oblivion for example), and we are seeing many buggy releases of next-gen titles.

That makes me fear for the future of console gaming.

Yeah, that was the consoles greatest strength. If I bought a game in a console, I knew it would run great, with no lock-ups. Now I have even see a thread called "How many times have Assassin's Creed crashed in your case?", with people having as far as 8 crashes, which is way more I ever had in my whole console gaming experience.

Console games don't get "patching". It has to work right out of the box. Period.

(Of course, the fact that they can build to a single set of parameters for each console helps that a lot. ;))

That's why I hope it doesn't need patching. ;)

A real gamer doesn't game on consoles. Why? Because console gamers don't have the patience to install a game on a PC. All they want is stick the game medium in the machine and play instantly. If you don't have 10 minutes to go through an installation process where are you going to find the time to play civilization? Or is this going to be Civilization Fighters 2 Turbo?



Maybe us console gamers want to play instantly becuase we have more to do with our lives than than simply watching the installation meter. Unlike you we actually have jobs, chores, pets, friends, a life.

Damnit why do we have to go through this again? First fallout is about to be raped by Bethesday and Microsoft and now Sid goes at it. Somebody needs to explain me what the main idea behind an xbox version of civ is before you start bashing your controller to select the right warrior.

A real gamer doesn't game on consoles. Why? Because console gamers don't have the patience to install a game on a PC. All they want is stick the game medium in the machine and play instantly. If you don't have 10 minutes to go through an installation process where are you going to find the time to play civilization? Or is this going to be Civilization Fighters 2 Turbo?

... I'm a PC gamer and I play on consoles... :sad:

Damnit why do we have to go through this again? First fallout is about to be raped by Bethesday and Microsoft and now Sid goes at it. Somebody needs to explain me what the main idea behind an xbox version of civ is before you start bashing your controller to select the right warrior.

A real gamer doesn't game on consoles. Why? Because console gamers don't have the patience to install a game on a PC. All they want is stick the game medium in the machine and play instantly. If you don't have 10 minutes to go through an installation process where are you going to find the time to play civilization? Or is this going to be Civilization Fighters 2 Turbo?

first of all bethesda is awesome, okay? second most of the time a console can handle more than your average computer and most console owners are hardcore gamers okay so stop being a dumbass.

what kind of uber-computer does he have that installing any game takes less than 10 minutes?

Even with a faster than 3GHz CPU, max speed CD-ROM/DVD-ROM, and 10,000 RPM hard drive, most modern games take a lot longer to install than '10 minutes.'

And anyone who thinks console gamers aren't real gamers has no idea what a gamer even is.

Fallout 3 will be awesome, CivRev will be awesome.

I'm looking forward to CivRev, almost as much as I'm looking forward to Civ5. I think we all have good reason to be very optimistic about the gaming franchise that we all adore. :thumbsup:

Boy, PC gamers appear to be quite an elitist group.
I know, I'm a mac user. :p
I can't wait for this game.
I can't either. :)

I just bought a DS just because I can't wait to play civ on the go.

Car trips & plane rides will never be the same.

Killing time waiting with Zelda and FF3.

Console games don't get "patching". It has to work right out of the box. Period.

(Of course, the fact that they can build to a single set of parameters for each console helps that a lot. ;))

They can be patched but not as much as pc games. Normally never. But for a high selling game it will never get by version 1.1

I am primarily a PC gamer, but I play TBS games on my DS all the time. I use my 360 for a lot of action gaming since I know the frame rate will be acceptable and I get to play it on my big TV. I personally think this is a good thing (especially the DS port) - Civ in coat pocket - sweet.

A real gamer doesn't game on consoles. Why? Because console gamers don't have the patience to install a game on a PC. All they want is stick the game medium in the machine and play instantly. If you don't have 10 minutes to go through an installation process where are you going to find the time to play civilization? Or is this going to be Civilization Fighters 2 Turbo?

Some of us enjoy playing both PCs and consoles. Play games...not systems.

As a hard-core Civver, let me say just one thing:

Civilization: Revolution is awesome!

And yes, I did get to play it for a few hours when I visited Firaxis last week ;)

Good to hear. I've been looking forward to Civ:Rev since I read about it.

Console games don't get "patching". It has to work right out of the box. Period.

(Of course, the fact that they can build to a single set of parameters for each console helps that a lot. ;))

Unfortunately, as mentioned earlier, this is starting to change. Release date demands are forcing some developers to send out buggy games, and with Xbox Live being such a good service, they have a fall back if they need to patch it.

But it does help that every 360 console has the same hardware, without a doubt.

That makes me fear for the future of console gaming.

yeah, me, too. :sad:

I'd like to do more gaming on the PC, but frankly, I can't afford to keep my computer updated with the newest technology. Most of the time, I end up picking games about two-three years after they were released. My computer is still around 2006. Hopefully in a year or two, I can update so I can play the popular games that are out now. I play consoles so I can play new games too

Yeah, that was the consoles greatest strength. If I bought a game in a console, I knew it would run great, with no lock-ups. Now I have even see a thread called "How many times have Assassin's Creed crashed in your case?", with people having as far as 8 crashes, which is way more I ever had in my whole console gaming experience.
I've never had a game crash on a console...Maybe once with my old '64. ;)

I've never heard of Assassin's Creed crashing on anyone's console...if some people are getting 8 crashes on it, they are probably idiots that don't know what the words 'air flow' mean.

I can't wait for it to come out.

I can't either. But apparently the Wii version has been "delayed"... :cringe:

Let's not forget that one can run Linux on a PS3; you just can't access the RSX. That alone renders many arguments on this thread pointless.

I have the patiance to install PC games ( the sims 2 took 3 hours on my old pc and it still didnt work! :mad: ) but not the funds to repeatedly update them, so i got a console for cost effectiveness.
I Like them And I am looking forward to this game.

I have the patiance to install PC games ( the sims 2 took 3 hours on my old pc and it still didnt work! :mad: ) but not the funds to repeatedly update them, so i got a console for cost effectiveness.
I Like them And I am looking forward to this game.
1) Way to bump a 2 month old thread
2) It's fairly cheap to upgrade your PC to play games, you can get a decent graphics card for ~$100.

for some people retro fitting your comp, isn't an option, even if it only was £70.

For example people who don't have spare money, you know poor people and students.

for some people retro fitting your comp, isn't an option, even if it only was £70.

For example people who don't have spare money, you know poor people and students.
So they would buy a console because?

So they would buy a console because?

because there addicted to fps's?

I didn't say they wouldn't buy a graphics card, instead they'd get an xbox, rule dog whoop, whoop.

I was jsut pointing out that its not affordable to everyone.

In Russia it's sometimes cheaper to buy a decent PC than a good console. At least if you know where to buy parts.
And I do not agree that the console gamers are not "TRUE" because they lack the patience to install games.
This is just another dimension of gaming. More dynamic, more colorful and arcade-oriented. PC games tend to be more deep but not always more entertaining.
It's like a car and a motorcycle.
I don't mind the Sid or Bethesda raping old games, I am just pissed off sometimes when I buy a game with the NAME + 1 and it is not something what I was waiting for.
But when I know from the beginning what is the game about, let it be. If the developers make it this way, they know there're people who will play it and they will earn money. Just a business =).

P.S. I'd like to add that I don't think I want Civ5, for now the games like to get more graphics but lose content/flavor, so I'll stick to Civ4 until I see something new and interesting.

By the way, Kyle92, nice necrothreading...
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I own Civ IV for the PC and I'm stoked about revolutions. My laptop can't handle Civ IV and I have the game installed on my parents home computer but I'm at College right now. I'm waiting for a market place demo.

because there addicted to fps's?

I didn't say they wouldn't buy a graphics card, instead they'd get an xbox, rule dog whoop, whoop.

I was jsut pointing out that its not affordable to everyone.
A console costs more than an 8800GT, ATI offerings are even cheaper and still good, assuming you bought a decent PC you'd be able to play most games. I mean you're going to a computer anyway, you can drop at least $400 minimum from the cost.

A console costs more than an 8800GT, ATI offerings are even cheaper and still good, assuming you bought a decent PC you'd be able to play most games. I mean you're going to a computer anyway, you can drop at least $400 minimum from the cost.

JC... I'm not saying that a console is cheaper than a graphics card, i was only saying that some people can't afford to buy a new graphics card everytime a new game comes out. Please read properly, so you don't embarress yourself.

JC... I'm not saying that a console is cheaper than a graphics card, i was only saying that some people can't afford to buy a new graphics card everytime a new game comes out. Please read properly, so you don't embarress yourself.
You don't need to buy a new graphics card every time a new game comes out, I still have a 7800GT, that's from 2 generations ago. True Crysis won't run very well, but christ why would you think you had to upgrade your graphics card all the time? It would certainly be cheaper to use a computer than to buy a PS3.

I completely agree with Abgar on this......

You don't need to buy a new graphics card every time a new game comes out, I still have a 7800GT, that's from 2 generations ago. True Crysis won't run very well, but christ why would you think you had to upgrade your graphics card all the time? It would certainly be cheaper to use a computer than to buy a PS3.

your still comopletley missing my point, the original psoter said buy a new gaph it only cost $100, and i said thats not affordable to everyone, and then people kept banging on about consoles, and now your going on about durability of graphics cards.

My POINT IS that not everyone has $100.

This can't be quibbled with, so stop trying.

Look at it this way its more civ. i own a 360 and just got a new $2000 computer today:D

PC games to be brutally honest have gotton real boring. FPS, RTS and MMORPG games are all that they really do nowdays. As a general rule they do them well but I'm really bored with those genres and on the PC I more or less stick to turn based strategy games like Civ and Galactic Civilizations.

Consoles are hell fun and Xboxlive is really good. Try playing Wii Sports or Guitar Hero 2 and 3. Consoles have more variety of games ATM and in certain genres outperform PCs (fighting, driving, arcade type games).

Also piracy is quite rampant on the PC and the developers on the PC will go where the money is. Quite a few console games last year sold 3 million+. How many PC games managed that? Also only a relative small amount of PC owners can run the best PC games.

My POINT IS that not everyone has $100.
This can't be quibbled with, so stop trying.

there's one small thing...............why would you have a computer in the first place if you can't afford to pay $100?

your still comopletley missing my point, the original psoter said buy a new gaph it only cost $100, and i said thats not affordable to everyone, and then people kept banging on about consoles, and now your going on about durability of graphics cards.

My POINT IS that not everyone has $100.

This can't be quibbled with, so stop trying.
My point was if they don't have $100 they couldn't afford a console or a computer anyway.

exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that's what I mean.....

The more exclamation points you use, the more you mean it.

Consoles were designed solely for gaming, computers were not designed for such. Thus, the original thread starter is just a butthurt whiner.

I wonder if Halo fans on Halo forums are having the exact same conversation we're having:

masterchief342: "OMG! They're making a Halo RTS! The end is nigh!"
xx_spartan_117_xx: "Settle down, the FPS genre will be fine..."
masterchief914: "No it won't! Strategy is taking over!"
haloguy93: "Seriously, what's next, Halo on a PC? :lol:"

it's already on PC though...........

I think that was the joke. :lol:

I am glad someone brought up the series of Fallout being screwed well and truly over. I thought I might have been the only one here, having played all Fallout games from their release (with Fallout 1 and 2 being the better of the series, by far).

By anyway, this new Civ for consoles looks interesting, but there's no way in hell they will be able to convey the depth of Civilization, into a console game. Sure, I have an Xbox 360, and will play it, but it still won't be "Civilization" for me.

Damn you Bethesda! You should have left Fallout to fall into utter obscurity without anyone ever touching it again - ever! DAMN YOU!!!! I get the distinct feeling the people who are most vocal about this game would rather see it never touched again than see a company with a very prestigious pedigree get their hands on it and not make it completely in the image of its predecessors.

As for Civ: Revolutions... Only one person has played it here, and they say it rocks. It is not Civ V, and Civ V will be coming to PC only as far as we know. What's to complain about? Why not give it a try and see if you like it before going all ballistic on Sid and company?

And lastly.. To the guy who made the comment about "PC gamers" being elitists, boy did he hit the nail on the head.

the majority of pc gamers also own or know people that own consoles, and enjoy playing them.

As for Civ: Revolutions... Only one person has played it here, and they say it rocks. It is not Civ V, and Civ V will be coming to PC only as far as we know. What's to complain about? Why not give it a try and see if you like it before going all ballistic on Sid and company?

One minor correction. Two of us have played CivRev. Me and DanQ. ;)

Yes it seems appealing CivRev after i read your articles... Its recall the fun and simplicity of Civ 2 :)

yeah, I think it's gonna be great!

One minor correction. Two of us have played CivRev. Me and DanQ. ;)

DanQ, eh? Was he any good? Every time I get his leadership skills I tend to have really stunk up the joint ;)

i have a pc, play pc games all the time, and i have a x box. im a all round gamer, i instal games, download updates ext ect on my pc.
so y hate console gamers?

I disagree with some aspects of it but so far it looks pretty decent, definitely worth picking up

Boy, PC gamers appear to be quite an elitist group.

I can't wait for this game.

He is not even elitist - I think "luddite" is the most appropriate term.

First of all let me just say that I'll be buying CivRev as soon as I can, and will enjoy being able to play civ in an afternoon and not a week (or a month, as mine tend to turn out).

@ Thrallia (back on page 2): While i don't infact know what you're referring to by "air flow", I can definitely tell you that assassin's creed froze fairly regularly, especially in "the kingdom" area, until they released a patch for it. Now it freezes every once in a while.

@ Padma: I read and enjoyed your article on your time with CivRev. Am I right in thinking that you saw definite signs that Civ 5 is being worked on (you seemed to hint at it)?

@ Padma: I read and enjoyed your article on your time with CivRev. Am I right in thinking that you saw definite signs that Civ 5 is being worked on (you seemed to hint at it)?

Thank you. :)

I can't say I saw definite signs that Civ5 was "being worked on". Something besides CivRev was in development, and some beta testers will be finding out shortly what it is. ;)

Assuming Civ5 is not what is going into beta-testing, I will say that the atmosphere there was that "of course" there will be a Civ5.

All I can say is, the wait at the doctor's office or car mechanic will be a lot easier now that we have a handheld version of Civ to pass the time! Thanks Sid, what a genius! I would vote for him over Hillary or Obama any day

lol I'd vote for almost anyone over Hillary or Obama any day...but definitely Sid :)

SID MEIER FOR PRESIDENT!

Lol If you want a discussion on that, I suggest you go have a look at GarretSidizka's (or something like that) Barack Obama leaderhead :D

Lol If you want a discussion on that, I suggest you go have a look at GarretSidizka's (or something like that) Barack Obama leaderhead :D

man, you guys are lucky you don't have to go thru presidential elections in Australia (or maybe you do?)...that's one of the main reasons I play Civ so much, it keeps me from turning the tv on!

We're quite lucky in that Australians vote for policies and track records :)

On the other hand, smaller parties and independents can often garner quite a bit of power due to how our government's set up, and you sometimes get some really stupid people getting a fair bit of power.

@ Padma: LOL sounds good

Please refrain from discussing real-world politics here. We have an entire Off-Topic forum (http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=18) where you are free to do so.