dionysos2048
Nov 13, 2007, 06:35 AM
Who is the best football manager nowadays?
My vote goes to Wenger.
This thread is not about American football.
My vote goes to Wenger.
This thread is not about American football.
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View Full Version : Best football manager dionysos2048 Nov 13, 2007, 06:35 AM Who is the best football manager nowadays? My vote goes to Wenger. This thread is not about American football. kalif Nov 14, 2007, 04:44 AM hard one. im torn between ancelotti, capello, benitez and hitzfeld. in the end i mimic the patriot and say hitzfeld. besides ancelotti and del bosque he is one of those that managed to win the champions league twice. and he is the only one that won it with two different clubs and limited financial resources. if its only about tactics, i might give ancelotti or capello my vote, but imo their calcio is often boring to watch. Riffraff Nov 14, 2007, 09:48 AM i'm going with Benitez and Hiddink. Benitez for reaching two CL finals with an average team (on that level). He seems fantastic at preparing a team for a single match against a specific opponent. Hiddink for managing to be sucessfull with pretty much every team he coaches. No matter whether its South Korea, Australia or now Russia - the team performs.. Next in my ranking would probably be Wenger and Hitzfeld. BirraImperial Nov 14, 2007, 04:53 PM Cristoph Daum. hahahahahahahaa. No really, I think I'll vote for Hiddink or Bianchi. Hiddink for his success coaching South Korea, PSV, etc. Biachi for guiding Boca Juniors to several Copa Libertadores and Intercontinental Cups. GinandTonic Nov 14, 2007, 05:13 PM Wenger on a totally blinkered partisan vote. Portugal Nov 14, 2007, 05:39 PM Mourinho. 10 char Quildavyr Nov 15, 2007, 02:46 AM Wenger! Always a nice offensive game azzaman333 Nov 15, 2007, 03:14 AM Hiddink for managing to be sucessfull with pretty much every team he coaches. No matter whether its South Korea, Australia or now Russia - the team performs.. QFT . steviejay Nov 15, 2007, 05:42 AM I'd say Hiddink for what he's done with the South Korean, Australian and Russian national teams. And by 'nowadays' I presume you mean managers still practising, cause otherwise you need to mention managers like Matt Busby and Jock Stein :) LAnkou Nov 15, 2007, 09:43 AM Wenger. (absolutely not objective) I wonder Domenech isn't on the list malicious bloke Nov 15, 2007, 04:35 PM Harry Redknapp Created the best Portsmouth team in half a century and got the scum relegated Easy choice steviejay Nov 15, 2007, 04:40 PM Harry Redknapp Created the best Portsmouth team in half a century and got the scum relegated Easy choice :lol: Quoted for hilarity ;) malicious bloke Nov 16, 2007, 05:34 AM :lol: Quoted for hilarity ;) It are the truth ;) Joe Harker Nov 16, 2007, 02:04 PM Ferguson, record speaks for itself! dionysos2048 Nov 16, 2007, 04:29 PM Ferguson's record indeed speaks for itself. I've always wondered, would he have succeeded abroad? I guess we'll never know. I think managers who do succeed in various countries deserve extra credit. Wenger, Mourinho, Capello (whom I very much dislike) do impress me more than sir Alex I must say. But I know it's hard to accept for a UK based observer. Joe Harker Nov 16, 2007, 05:12 PM I think that people like Wenger, Mourinho, Capello are great managers, but i think it is harder to stay at one team and keep bringing the trophies home in what, debatable is the most competive league in the world (certainly the most watched), and hell, i am a Liverpool supporter, if given the chance i would admitt anyone would be a better manager than Fergie if it weren't for his absolute consistently good record. kalif Nov 17, 2007, 01:05 AM guys, could you please enlighten a non-epl-fanatic about this ferguson record you are talking about? i only know about the arsenal one, with x-amount of matches without a single defeat...cheers! Dell19 Nov 17, 2007, 04:53 AM Are you being serious? Not entirely sure why Benitez has got any votes as they have yet to have a genuine attempt at the title. dionysos2048 Nov 17, 2007, 05:03 AM Sir Alex Ferguson, aka the hairdryer: Scottish League: (3) Scottish Cup: (4) Scottish League Cup: (1) European Cup Winners Cup: (2) (1 with Aberdeen!) UEFA Super Cup: (2) (1 with Aberdeen!) Premier League: (9) FA Cup: (5) FA Charity/Community Shield: (7) UEFA Champions League: (1) Intercontinental Cup: (1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Ferguson Noone else comes close to that, this said, The Premier League might be the best one now, but it hardly was the case in the late 80s or 90s, when Italy, Spain, Germany, and even France (before Bosman) had better leagues. In terms of achievements at one club, the only one that comes close to Sir Alex to me is French legend Guy Roux, who took charge of AJ Auxerre an amateur club that played in DH, a regional league, and made it one of the best clubs of the country, winning the French league and the French cup. He even took it to UEFA cup semi-finals and Champions league quarter finals. As for Benitez, did you know he managed an obscure club called Valencia before Liverpool? Yes there ARE other leagues outside Britain... Dell19 Nov 17, 2007, 05:07 AM Yes but to be the greatest I would have thought he would have also needed to do well at a second club like Mourinho. TheLastOne36 Nov 17, 2007, 10:17 AM Beenhacker DUH. Got Trinidad to the WC great coach for the dutch team and is now coaching Poland. The obvious choice. He's not even on the list! kalif Nov 17, 2007, 12:53 PM Sir Alex Ferguson, aka the hairdryer: Scottish League: (3) Scottish Cup: (4) Scottish League Cup: (1) European Cup Winners Cup: (2) (1 with Aberdeen!) UEFA Super Cup: (2) (1 with Aberdeen!) Premier League: (9) FA Cup: (5) FA Charity/Community Shield: (7) UEFA Champions League: (1) Intercontinental Cup: (1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Ferguson Noone else comes close to that, this said, The Premier League might be the best one now, but it hardly was the case in the late 80s or 90s, when Italy, Spain, Germany, and even France (before Bosman) had better leagues. In terms of achievements at one club, the only one that comes close to Sir Alex to me is French legend Guy Roux, who took charge of AJ Auxerre an amateur club that played in DH, a regional league, and made it one of the best clubs of the country, winning the French league and the French cup. He even took it to UEFA cup semi-finals and Champions league quarter finals. As for Benitez, did you know he managed an obscure club called Valencia before Liverpool? Yes there ARE other leagues outside Britain... ah...record, like in lifetime achievements. i was wondering about a special record, like in a world record or something. my crappy english skills... Rhye Nov 17, 2007, 08:37 PM My vote goes to Capello dionysos2048 Nov 19, 2007, 04:08 AM My vote would go to Capello for another poll: luck¡est manager, or most boring football offered by a manager. How annoying it is though that luck comes to the best, or so they say... I'm just biased by his declarations about Franco before, I guess:http://www.elmundo.es/papel/2006/02/08/deportes/1927417.html Sorry couldn't find any link in English. BirraImperial Nov 19, 2007, 02:33 PM Velibor "Bora" Milutinović. He is the only manager to qualify to the World Cup with 5 different teams: Mexico Costa Rica USA Nigeria China And he also qualified all but China to the Second Round. TheLastOne36 Nov 19, 2007, 07:03 PM Noone else comes close to that, this said, The Premier League might be the best one now, but it hardly was the case in the late 80s or 90s, when Italy, Spain, Germany, and even France (before Bosman) had better leagues. And our Ekstraklasa sucks! What's wrong with Poland and clubs? =P ulsterman88 Nov 24, 2007, 05:12 AM Mourinho, Ferguson, Van Gaal, Wenger, Lippi, Ancelloti cthom Nov 24, 2007, 08:53 AM bertie vogts. oops, i mean a. ferguson. calgacus Nov 24, 2007, 09:09 AM Ferguson's record indeed speaks for itself. I've always wondered, would he have succeeded abroad? I guess we'll never know. I think managers who do succeed in various countries deserve extra credit. Wenger, Mourinho, Capello (whom I very much dislike) do impress me more than sir Alex I must say. But I know it's hard to accept for a UK based observer. He has managed successfully in two countries ... both in the same political system admittedly, though with entirely different teams, player pools and managerial problems I can't really see how that is relevant in footballing terms. You know he wasn't as good a coach as Jim MacLean ... the best coach in Scottish history who did far more with less resources during the same period as Ferguson. And honestly, with his resources and time, he should have done much more in Europe than just win one measly champion's league. Quildavyr Nov 24, 2007, 10:21 AM ..guess:http://www.elmundo.es/papel/2006/02/08/deportes/1927417.html Sorry couldn't find any link in English. what does that "el pais de un orden riguroso" mean ??:) dutchfire Nov 24, 2007, 10:36 AM Velibor "Bora" Milutinović. He is the only manager to qualify to the World Cup with 5 different teams: Mexico Costa Rica USA Nigeria China And he also qualified all but China to the Second Round. Hiddink qualified with Holland, South Korea, Australia, and now Russia. He got to the semi's with Korea (2002) and Holland (1998), and the second round with Australia (2006), and who knows where Russia will end up this summer. :) 1986/87 - Eredivisie: Champion with PSV Eindhoven. 1987/88 - European Cup: Champion with PSV. 1987/88 - Eredivisie: Champion with PSV. 1987/88 - KNVB Cup: Champion with PSV. 1988/89 - Eredivisie: Champion with PSV. 1988/89 - KNVB Cup: Champion with PSV. 1989/90 - KNVB Cup: Champion with PSV. 1998 - Intercontinental Cup (football): Champion with Real Madrid. 1998 - 1998 FIFA World Cup: Fourth place with the Netherlands. 2002 - 2002 FIFA World Cup: Fourth place with South Korea. 2002/03 - Eredivisie: Champion with PSV. 2004/05 - Eredivisie: Champion with PSV. 2004/05 - KNVB Cup: Champion with PSV. 2005 - Rinus Michels Award 2005/06 - Eredivisie: Champion with PSV. 2006 - 2006 FIFA World Cup: Second round with Australia. 2006 - Rinus Michels Award dionysos2048 Nov 25, 2007, 12:28 PM what does that "el pais de un orden riguroso" mean ??:) a country in which a rigorous order exists Hitro Nov 25, 2007, 01:29 PM Well, winning something with a rich club team doesn't count at all for me. In fact only idiots manage not to. Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger for example have however built up something over the years. And with Mourinho the axiom above makes it a big difference between his success with Porto and that with Chelski. Many of the others had their real successes in teams that - especially given the respective circumstances such as competition in their country - were financially positioned in ways that made success almost inevitable. So to me the greatest out of those listed there is Guus Hiddink. He has proven with several teams both on club and national level that he can get almost the maximum out of a team's potential. By the way, Otto Rehhagel belongs on that list. ;) calgacus Nov 25, 2007, 09:51 PM Héctor Cúper's achievement with Mallorca and Valencia are worth note. He'd have been a shoe in if one of those two Champions League finals had gone his way. I voted "other" since the chances are the best manager is someone like an amateur youth coach in Bolivia who no-one will ever hear of. warpus Nov 25, 2007, 11:18 PM Well, winning something with a rich club team doesn't count at all for me. In fact only idiots manage not to. Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger for example have however built up something over the years. And with Mourinho the axiom above makes it a big difference between his success with Porto and that with Chelski. Many of the others had their real successes in teams that - especially given the respective circumstances such as competition in their country - were financially positioned in ways that made success almost inevitable. So to me the greatest out of those listed there is Guus Hiddink. He has proven with several teams both on club and national level that he can get almost the maximum out of a team's potential. By the way, Otto Rehhagel belongs on that list. ;) You think Chelsky (Chelski would imply Polish or Macedonian ownership, not Russian) would have been successful no matter who the coach, 2 seasons ago? I disagree! Mourinho instilled a winning mentality into Chelsea. Success was not guaranteed, even with Abramovich's millions. I think he belongs on the list of the best 10 coaches. Probably even best 5. I don't think he's been coach long enough to call him the best ever, but his track record does speak for itself. |
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